On 20 August 2013 07:57, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I think one shouldn't be religious about warnings/questions/popup messages
- sure it's a UI challenge to do them well but simply not doing them at
all, ever, doesn't automatically mean you have a good UI. However, a pop-up
David,
When we first proposed (and started using) the 4wd_only tag, there was a
lot of pushback from people who complained that it was not a verifiable
tag. Track type had the same response. We were able to show them that there
are signs all over Australia that say 4WD only at the start of a
David,
It's up to the rendering engine how it wants to display the POI's. It
doesn't matter how far apart they are, if you zoom out enough they'll
overlap anyway. The thing to remember is we provide the data, the people
who render the maps decide what to do with it. If they're making a static
Well, there's a couple of reasons why you might want to save it anyway with
roads close together but not joining, so JOSM can't force you not to save
it. They might not actually join. There's a couple of examples near me
where roads end less than a meter away from another road, but don't join
On 20 September 2012 09:41, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
Yes it is a small roundabout as you can not legally drive over it unless
it is impractical to do so.
The vehicle in the street view is clearly about to drive around the center
island. Whereas if it was a truck/bus/caravan it
I'm not saying that a mini-roundabout isn't a roundabout, it is, and all
the normal signs and laws apply. What it also is, however, is traversable.
If you have a vehicle that cannot go around it, because it is too large,
then you're allowed to go over it.
I'd be just a happy to use a normal
I've seen it flatly stated that Australia didn't have any real
mini-roundabouts. That may have been true once, but the last few new
roundabouts I've seen built near me have all been either true mini
roundabouts (nothing but paint) or a couple where there is a raised centre
concrete disc, but it's
On 11 September 2012 01:28, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, for the sake of argument, how would provider A demonstrate that
OSM's data was made by copying its compilation of facts, when
providers B and C contain exactly the same facts?
Because B and C would not contain the same
On 1 September 2012 11:35, Russell Edwards russell...@gmail.com wrote:
I am still curious to know what the positional accuracy of survey markers
is meant to be, if anyone can enlighten.
First question you have to ask is how old the survey is? Australia as a
whole moves north about 7-8 cm a
Diego,
The discussion happened a while ago, but the redaction bot only ran a few
weeks (maybe a month?) ago. It shouldn't run any more, as I understand it.
Stephen
On 21 August 2012 14:25, Diego Molla-Aliod diego.molla-al...@mq.edu.auwrote:
The discussions about licence change happened
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there would only be one bus stop there, or possibly
one each side of the road, at best. I'll see if I can swing by that way
next time I'm over that side of town, if somebody doesn't beat me to it.
I suspect that a few of the other double pairs nearby should only be
singles
Yeah, I'm working on it - up in the northern suburbs at the moment, it's
the area I know best. It's interesting that many streets that were showing
as OK in the tools prior to the change may still be there, but are missing
many nodes, so they don't match reality any more. I find you have to
It is an important point of difference to train and bus stations/stops as
to whether they have a dedicated Park and Ride carpark or not. It is
something I would find useful if I was searching for station POI's. It's
not just whether parking is nearby, but whether it's dedicated to commuters
- not
Or how big almost any place not in Europe is. I still remember somebody
suggesting a kayak safari to map the Australian coast rather than using
imagery/PGS imports.
Stephen
On 10 June 2012 14:56, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Me too. I think that the people who wish that the USA had
On 19 December 2011 22:10, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
The original coastlines were from NASA PGS data and if they have been
deleted and/or merged to the ABS data then the coastline is going to be
deleted as well.
Years ago, some of us spent quite a lot of time cleaning up the
On 11 December 2011 11:54, mick bare...@tpg.com.au wrote:
In northern Brisbane I have yet to see anything that shows you are moving
into a 50kph default zone.
In Queensland the 50kph limit applies to all built up areas unless the
street is marked otherwise. They don't mark the individual
On 30 November 2011 21:51, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
And in the case of something like sparseness I think you can come up
with at least equivalently correct results, by developing the
algorithm hand in hand with input from a good human mapper.
Oh, definitely. That's why I think we can
On 29 November 2011 23:53, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
Having a place tag is good, having a population tag is good. Faking
either of those for the renderer or otherwise seems bad.
We're talking about hinting, not faking. Marking something as a city when
it's not, that's bad.
True, but that doesn't mean we need to use it. When they actually
bother to give the SI unit a name, I'll think about using it. In the
meantime, the named metric unit of volume is the litre (L), and you
can use it with all the prefixes, including KL (or cubic metre), ML
etc. The prefixes don't
Ben,
True. But it also says that it is supposed to be showing a still
physically visible item. Cuttings, grading, a physical scar on the
landscape. If it was on an area that's been completely built over so
that you would have no way of knowing something was ever there, then
I'd change the tag.
Parveen,
See this thread on this list from February 3 2011.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-February/056310.html
Steve Coast announced the following.
http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx
On 28 July 2011 21:52, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote:
Now that said I don't really care which tag is used for the 'full'
name. I'd personally prefer the name tag was used for this because it
has always been the policy of OSM that the name tag includes the full
On 27 July 2011 10:40, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote:
Yes, it is called Saint Albans, written St Albans, except where some
websites seem to have expanded it.
e.g.
http://www.meteoprog.co.uk/en/weather/SaintAlbans/
http://www.gomapper.com/travel/map-of/saint-albans.html
etc...
It is confusing, but I don't think that I'd call it correct, either.
New Guinea can be considered part of the Australian continent, but New
Zealand is not. It's Islands, and not on the continental shelf. It
and NG are sometimes listed as part of Australasia (not Australia),
and a bigger area
On 6 June 2011 17:55, Jaak Laineste jaak.laine...@gmail.com wrote:
Also we have always started with P2, JOSM is too scary for the first
introduction. So offline OSM files is not an option.
I keep hearing this, but I must be weird, because I had the opposite
reaction both when I first started
On 6 March 2011 12:27, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
If it's a footway, unless it's clearly designed around foot use first
and foremost with bicycle an afterthought, it doesn't allow bicycles
unless explicitly tagged bicycle=yes. Otherwise it's a path. Maybe a
cycleway if there is
On 14 February 2011 16:52, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Would the UK coastguard have a good laugh when I claim to be in international
waters at that location?
If youre more than 12 miles from the coast (which is what is mapped)
then youre in international waters, why would they
On 5 February 2011 15:30, Andrew Gregory andrew.greg...@gmail.com wrote:
Surely that can't be correct?
That is the way it was explained on one of the mailing lists a while
back. I haven't seen any notice that it is going to change, though
with the mushroom treatment we're getting, I could have
I'd keep both names - name= and alt_name= ( or old_name=). This is
better for lookup purposes, as either version would then find this
station. And it's not wrong, as it seems the other version was
correct at one time.
Whether that would be acceptable to the other editor is another problem.
On 27 January 2011 21:17, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Note to self: add feature to hide and render unselectable all admin=boundary.
I used to always do this (using Josm filters) when working in country
areas around Qld, the shire boundaries and roads were always
interfering with
On 27 January 2011 08:58, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Although it's a non-issue here as pointed out below, we really should
get a policy on this. IMHO tags should reflect whatever makes the most
sense to the most people, whether that's British, American or
otherwise.
I'd agree,
Ben,
some interesting shots there. I take it the MultiView part won't be
up until later? It seems to be showing older imagery at the moment.
A little bit of unfortunate image slicing here in just the wrong place. :)
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.475182,153.020904z=20t=knmd=20110113
And I
I heard that they were planning to do flights up north a few days ago,
but couldn't get flight permissions, what with the state of emergency.
And in the southeast (actually, pretty much everywhere, today), you'd
get lovely grey clouds right now. In fact, if you look at Brisbane,
it hasn't been
2011/1/10 ヴィカス ヤダヴァ (vikas yadav) mevi...@gmail.com:
I used hamlet for my block as pop limit of 1000 is given = satisfied
The problem here is that population is only part of the definition of
a hamlet. Less than 1000 people is correct, but it also has an
implied and is surrounded by open
On 28 December 2010 23:51, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
Trying to estimate building height via the perspective in aerial pictures
will be tricky, as buildings that were closer to the flight path won't show
as much parallax as those that were farther away.
It will be even trickier if you are
On 21 December 2010 09:52, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
So, can you tell from every edit you did, whether you used nearmap as a
reference while doing the edit? If so, you must be one of the very
small percentage of people who tagged 100% every change they made,
including even
On 20 December 2010 12:53, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Because of the impossibility to be able to distinguish whats what, any
user who has ever made a change in this situation will have to have all
their edits removed from the system, to avoid any possibility that one
edit might
On 20 December 2010 20:25, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote:
this is no way different from GPL released software:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html
Actually, it's quite different. The FSF tell you upfront what the
requirements are. The OSMF let you spend years working on the
Fabio,
I cannot sign every edit I've ever done over, because I don't have the
rights to do so. I can OK many of them, however, that were based
purely on my own work, and not CC-BY-SA sources. There was some talk
of a tool being made available that would let me specify which were OK
by
On 27 November 2010 08:45, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:
I'd much rather see a relative completeness grid map to inspire people to go
out and visit those grids that seem less than perfect.
There's a tool I'd like to see available, with it own data store, that
overlays the main
On 26 November 2010 08:57, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Excellent. The thought does occur that if one used source=bing, and
started tracing now, and for some reason the legal agreement didn't
eventuate, it would be easy to simply wipe all that data. But that
would be making life
On 25 November 2010 13:20, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
On 25 November 2010 03:00, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no news here until they actually allow it, so far they are
claiming they can't.
Interesting choice of words.
I think you'll find there
On 20 September 2010 21:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Firstly, what is behind the gate differs depending on your location.
Secondly, the way behind the gate may well be reachable by other means
(i.e. a detour) - it is easy to imagine a gate where vehicles cannot pass,
but still
On 21 August 2010 04:29, Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com wrote:
Yes it seems strange to tag place_of_worship the whole area. According
to the wiki should apply to the church, synagoge, temple... the place of
worship, not the office, the garden and so on.
To me, it's not strange at all.
On 19 August 2010 17:27, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote:
The usual convention (Ordnance Survey for example) for land maps is to use
Mean High Water. (Marine charts usually use Mean High Water Springs as
their dry land datum.)
There are exceptions. If a given area is
On 16 August 2010 07:42, Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de wrote:
Are there any empty nodes that make sense, or is a empty always node nonsense?
The only thing I can think of , is that when I upload a way, the nodes
go first, then the way joins them all up. Is it possible for somebody
else to get
On 30 July 2010 22:27, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Meh. I look at the definition of landuse=recreation_ground and I think
it could include almost anything. Maybe you're right. There are so few
showgrounds it won't matter much either way.
Steve
Actually there are a lot of
On 19 July 2010 23:19, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
And honestly, if at any future time two thirds of active OSM contributors
want to change to a non-SA license, why should we keep them from it? In one
or two years, two thirds of active contributors will be a greater number
of
Chrome - Pahia, New Zealand
Firefox 3.6.6 - Pahia, New Zealand
IE 8.0 - Pahia, Aotearoa
Weird. Checking my language options in IE, the only language listed
is English, Australian.
Stephen
On 7 July 2010 12:40, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
well, here's an odd thing:
if i
I'm a bit confused as to what exactly counts as a nature_preserve.
Take a look at this area
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.277213,152.952728z=18t=knmd=20100608
The land around the creek there is a council designated reserve.
However, it's not really to preserve any special nature area, or even
On 29 June 2010 21:49, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote:
3) State Forests get landuse=forest. Any leisure activities (e.g camping) get
marked as their own thing, like tourism=camp_site, which isn't in this dataset
4) Forest Reserves and Timber Reserve (which are often adjacent to
On 23 June 2010 02:44, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
I think it would be rather bad of us to try and take it over and use it
for our own ends like that.
Some of us have already been talking about setting up an OSM specific
QA site like this which would be a much better fit than trying to
On 23 June 2010 00:14, Paul Houle p...@ontology2.com wrote:
I'd like to see some tagging that tells cyclists not to ride on
sidewalks, for instance: as a pedestrian I've been involved in
accidents where cyclists were ~illegally~ riding on a sidewalk and
Surely that is just highway=foot,
I'm doing some work on the outskirts of Brisbane, where the properties
start to get bigger, doing some clean up. And I got to wondering about
residential landuse.
At one end of the scale, you have inner city housing (350-1000 sq m
lots), and there's no question they are residential. At the
No. But when I do buildings, it's almost always as part of a larger
compound of some sort.
So a I might tag a whole area as a school or tafe, retail centre or
church, then tag the buldings inside them as just building. If I was
doing stand-alone buildings I would be more likely to tag them
On 2 June 2010 12:08, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
this reminds me of a situation i've come across in auckland, which i
don't know the solution to. there's a major road, which apparently has
three names:
The Strand (on signposts)
Shipwright Lane (on different signposts)
A couple of things about the bridge.
First, even though it was officially opened today, it doesn't have
traffic on it until Monday week (24th). Then they do changes to the
approaches, and a bit later shut the old bridge down for six months
for refurbishment. We'll have to keep changing things
Andrew,
Is this what you are talking about?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/basin%3Dinfiltration
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-February/034383.html
Stephen
On 17 May 2010 14:15, Andrew Gregory and...@scss.com.au wrote:
I'd like to thank everyone
On 27 April 2010 10:53, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Some whisper that they have seen a painted roundabout on the road, but whether
this is a roundabout is not for us to know - according to the Road Rulez it
ain't a roundabout.
and
They are very rare, and perhaps we should draw them out as
On 25 April 2010 18:18, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
Having just done a bit of research, I agree. The Aust Road Rules define
a roundabout:
A roundabout is an intersection:
(a) with either:
(i) one or more marked lanes, all of which are for the
use of vehicles travelling in the
Well, I understand the resolution over Rottnest Island is better than
anywhere else, so that ought to give an idea of what they can do. But
I got the impression on the forums somewhere that they got that by
flying lower, thus requiring more passes, though I may be wrong - I
can't find it again
Please be careful removing duplicate nodes. If a couple of ways
cross, and have nodes in the same place, please make sure they should
connect before just stitching them together. I've seen at least one
example where a road on a bridge crossing another road underneath have
been connected together
2010/1/25 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
The 'Local Traffic Only' sign is an advisory sign only and is not
regulatory.
I don't think this is important, but this could be specified using
motor_vehicle:regulatory=no (or inferred from
motor_vehicle:source=Local Traffic Only sign)
This is another one of those cases where the instructions used to be
in unclear. For a while the Wiki said the count was number of lanes
in each direction. Some did that, some did total lane count. It
has since been changed to the current (and I'm told former) total
count, but there is quite
2010/1/21 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:
Also, from the wiki for 'service':
Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach,
campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc..
This doesnt sound wrong to me, if a service road can lead to a beach or
campsite, why not to
2010/1/9 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
No it isn't, the preprocessing software could do that if it needs it,
this isn't a reason to add extra nodes to the database.
We are talking about the API for editors and casual use of the
database. There are no pre-processors involved. Sure,
I think he's talking more about things like tourist trails, ie preset
routes, and usually not the shortest way. Or bus routes, or similar
things.
There's a tourist route near me I keep meaning to go see if I can find
the other end of, sometime.
Stephen
2010/1/9 John Smith
2010/1/8 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
I would like but we need some clear definition about office and what
makes the difference with the existing amenity and shop keys.
For instance, the current definition of shop in Map Features is:
A shop is a place of business stocked with goods for sale or
2010/1/7 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
===Footway==
Now, bicycles aren't allowed on *footpaths* - ie, the path that runs along
the side of the road. But they're generally allowed on most other paths,
like into or
2010/1/7 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 10:49 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote:
From a quick skim of the wiki, it seems that 'bicycle=yes' means that
bicycles are allowed on the way, where 'bicycle=designated' means the
bike has right of way. Bikes have right of way
2010/1/5 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com:
John is right about the distinction between the landuse natural tags.
landuse is about what is on the ground (trees, farming etc). I am assuming
national/state/other parks/areas should be attributed with the natural
tag, but natural=what?
2009/12/27 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
In Australia there is this legacy speed limit sign for people with
racing licenses that they can drive any speed they wish, everyone else
is limited to 100, how exactly do you map that? (and I saw one such
sign only the day before yesterday).
That's not just Sydney. Brisbane will clear you off the motorways,
and if you break down in the City centre area they'll take you off the
street there too.
Stephen
2009/12/26 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
Oh and most/all motorways in Sydney have their own vehecals to tow
people off
Not all the img files you'll find lying around are routable. Some
are, some aren't. As Matt said, some of the ones on the OSM Australia
are, but not all. There are other sources as well - see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download for a
partial list. (Check the routable
2009/12/21 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net:
I think using a bus route type could get muddled with public transport
and we will have german tourists trying to catch the library truck to get
around.
Yeah, they're not really really related to bus-stops. All the mobile
libraries I've seen tend
There was a similar study that has been done in Wikipedia - and it got
similar results. Then somebody else did some closer studies, and found
that the last edit may have been done by one of the 10%, but they were
often cosmetic cleanups. The bulk of creation was done by other
users. I wonder how
The reason I thought they may be a QLD thing is the state Government
here licences them a bit differently from your average pub (or used
to, I haven't checked lately). Thus the (official) members only
rules, connection to a sport club, etc. This connection can be quite
vague - the one nearest my
I'm looking for some guidance on tagging for Sports Clubs. I'm not
sure if these are an Australian wide thing, or just a QLD invention.
I'm talking about the buildings that are run by (or for), are named
after, and support a sports club or organisation, but actually don't
have any thing to do
I have a question about the suburb boundary ways that have been
imported for Australia a while back.
The boundary ways often follow a road, or the coast, or a stream or
river. Some of the ways are other things, as well as a boundary (a
stream, for example) but some of the boundary ways are
I think this is a case where the different versions of English are not
quite the same. To me:
A ford is a crossing that is usually underwater all the time. However
the water is shallow enough that you can cross anyway, just expect to
get a bit wet. It may be dry if the whole river dries up, or
2009/10/22 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk:
There is not currently a single solution, but I see no reason why a good
email based list can't simply add a web based interactive archive as well?
There are solutions, but all the ones I know about are commercial. I
use a board based on MPNews
2009/10/11 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com:
Stephen Hope writes:
However, I have seen proposals which have improved considerably after
a little bit of feedback during the voting process.
We now have a tagging mailing list for that.
Of course, and it's a good place to talk about
2009/10/9 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com:
The benefit is that people spend more time mapping and less time
coordinating with each other on things that don't need to be
coordinated in advance.
And the disadvantage is that by saving a little time on the lack of
coordinating at the start, we then
2009/10/6 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
If you look at this from the point of view of territorial waters the
coastline is from either the high or low tide marks, they spell it out
in legalese and I can't remember off the top of my head, but the coast
line cuts across any
2009/9/23 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
No, source=survey isn't ambiguous at all it's spelt out clearly on the
map features page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation
Actually, that is ambiguous - or rather incomplete. It says gpx
track or other physical
2009/9/22 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com:
Now everything I know about Australian highways I learned from Mel
Gibson in _The Road Warrior_ so I have much to learn. What is the
shield landscape like in Australia?
Queensland is in the (slow) process of changing to alphanumeric
designations,
2009/9/22 swanilli swani...@gmail.com:
I agree with Evan's view that We should emphasis tagging properties and not
uses. Some of my local streets have a painted cycleway sign but it makes
little sense to tag the street as highway=cycleway, rather than say,
highway=residential.
A cycleway
And the difference between them is pretty easily explained. If you're
on a train, you know you've just pulled into a station, the only
question is which one, so the word station is redundant. If you are
outside the station, you may not know what the building in front of
you is, and you are
2009/9/18 Dan Karran d...@karran.net:
and 'turn right' to stay on the same road, even though it just
continues past the junction with a curve to the right.
Well yes, but there is a road going straight ahead as well. I've seen
plenty of situations where it is not obvious that the road you are
I think the problem there is they are usually a lot of small
buildings, rather than one big one. I think we're looking for a tag
to cover an area, I'm not sure building= is appropriate.
Stephen
2009/9/14 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
Since they're buildings wouldn't using a building=*
What landuse would you recommend for a cemetery? It's been said that
all land should be covered by some landuse or other. Like putting in
Landuse=retail but also listing the individual shops as amenities.
So should we put both landuse=cemetery and an
amenity=cemetery/graveyard node, or are you
2009/8/26 Jeff Price jeff.pr...@rocketmail.com:
The council are also interested in correcting errors in their own data given
that today they are largely corrected via public complaints and subsequent
site surveys. If someone has some wizzy ideas on how to determine the
difference between the
2009/8/26 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Pre-processor finds a stop sign, looks for the nearest junction node which
it would already know is a junction
2009/8/23 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de:
Therefore, I'd prefer to restrict highway=conveyor to human transport
(or human+bicycle or some kind of vehicle, if this exists somewhere, by
using access tags) and use a separate top level tag for goods - for
example man_made=conveyor.
I don't
2009/8/23 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de:
I believe the best way to solve this is to create a new top-level (that
is, highway) value for all variants of conveyor transport. So, for
example, we could do:
Is this intended to be only for human transport? I know of some quite
lengthy conveyors
I bought mine from Graham Smith in the UK (last year some time). He
still uses sonicresolutions domain to host pictures and email etc, but
you're not buying from the company as such. And that assumes he's
even the person still selling them, which I'm not sure. It was Andy
talking about them on
and are, in many ways, much more exciting examples of the
proposal.
That's my opinion at least; load the database with all the dating
information you can and leave it to those who control the renderers to
decide what they want to show.
Cheers, Joseph
2009/8/19 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com:
I am
not this year.
Stephen
2009/8/19 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
--- On Wed, 19/8/09, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote:
Going to the Muster?
Even when events are on the same space wouldn't the venue be laid out
differently each year
Well, I don't know about Hebrew. But at least some of the languages
that use Arabic script (there are many) write the sentences and words
from right to left, but the numbers from left to right. I have no
idea about Chinese/Japanese etc. But I think that left to right for
numbers, while not
I just double checked on the way home from work. There are no A1
markings anywhere near the end of the Bruce Highway.
The gateway arterial is marked as M1 - I'm not sure how far, but I
think from memory at least as far as where it runs into the SE Freeway
on the other side of the river, at which
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