Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

usually if its included in name its: Xyz Township not township of xyz On Feb 26, 2018 3:24 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea" wrote: > Hi Matthew: > > You do fine work here, yet I have a concern about "Township." I don't > know if in Canada, a Township is a bit of an "odd

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

Hi Matthew: You do fine work here, yet I have a concern about "Township." I don't know if in Canada, a Township is a bit of an "odd duck" like it is in the USA. In the USA, we have county as admin_level=6, township as admin_level=7 (in about one-third of states) and city/town/village as

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

Here is an update on progress. "Municipalities" in Ontario are done.  The following 4 names were handled as explained.  (New names came from NRCan)    2439 Municipality of the Nation   >> La Nation     710 Municipality Of Markstay-warren   >> Markstay-Warren     293 Municipality Of

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

I will leave the wonky towns (the ones that have parentheses) for cleanup later.  The other "Town Of" are done. I am working on "Municipality Of" now. On 2018-02-18 11:04 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: Hi Bill, Thanks for the feedback.  OSM is updated accordingly. I also changed "City of Prince

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

I have summarized the discussion we had here over the last week or so  on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines for easy reference in the future.  It is: Municipality Names Municipality names are to be spelt according to how they are listed in NRCan

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names (Jarek Piórkowski)

> On 2018-02-19 05:08 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> Have you passed by talk-gb? They have a fair amount of "St" names and >> some authority as to how to do things in OSM. I haven't, but I shall. As I say quite a bit (in our wiki, e.g. California/Railroads), "it's complicated around here."

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names (Jarek Piórkowski)

On 2018-02-19 05:08 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > Have you passed by talk-gb? They have a fair amount of "St" names and > some authority as to how to do things in OSM. The UK has Bury St Edmunds, Chapel St Leonards, Lytham St Annes, Ottery St Mary, St Andrews, St Anne, St Austell, St Blazey,

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Thank you, Matthew. As I said, "slavishly follow rules," no, not necessarily. "Understand the issues," yes, through good dialog. I like what I see here, it allows good consensus to emerge, tedious and perhaps even a bit annoying as it may be. :-) SteveA On Feb 19, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Matthew

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names (Jarek Piórkowski)

> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:56:20 +0100 > From: Jarek Piórkowski <ja...@piorkowski.ca> > Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names > Message-ID:

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

On 2018-02-18 11:04 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > >   2 Town of Whitchurch-Stouffville (Stouffville) Like so many post-Amalgamation towns, Whitchurch-Stouffville is the official name (http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/FDOLC). There are some real doozies out there:

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

It's good to see that admin_level tags (always 8? they might be 7 if township, that's a chunky topic...) are there. What I mean by "cutting room floor recycling" includes this thought: it couldn't hurt to update/touch-up/fix these after a cursory examination that's they are

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

of Markham, has been a city for a few years. Bill Patterson ---------- *From:* Matthew Darwin <matt...@mdarwin.ca> *To:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org *Sent:* Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:43 AM *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipali

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario

Patterson From: Matthew Darwin <matt...@mdarwin.ca> To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names in Ontario The following 2 are not changed, as per my previous comment that I will not update the

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On 17 February 2018 at 00:03, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > On Feb 16, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> With "street" in a street name, it's clear to most everyone that Pine St is >> an abbreviation and Pine Street is the correct

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

smartphone on the Bell network.From: Matthew DarwinSent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:14 PMTo: talk-ca@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Nam

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On Feb 16, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Bill & Kathy Patterson wrote: > It would seem to me that an official place name should take precedence over > OSM protocols. If we expand the abbreviations (or contractions), of St. and > Ste., then are we not altering the

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Map <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names Sorry, accidentally pressed reply instead of reply all: Those are the official names, for example:http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/ search-place-names/unique/ FDJFNhttp://www4.rn

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

My favourite is Moose Factory. I think Canadian typonomy was the consesus last time we had the same subject come up On Feb 16, 2018 7:14 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > In my OSM map updates to remove of "City of" and similar prefixes from > locality names, I will not be

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

In my OSM map updates to remove of "City of" and similar prefixes from locality names, I will not be expanding any "St", "Ste" or any other abbreviations of those names.  If the name (minus the prefix to be removed) matches what is in NRCan database, I will remove the prefix; if it doesn't, I

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

t Thomas, but a computer might have a bit > of trouble there. And don't get me started on the absurdity that St is a > contraction, not an abbreviation. > > I'm not going to rush out and change any existing tagging but I think this > is one instance where rational thought needs to over

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

a > contraction, not an abbreviation. > > I'm not going to rush out and change any existing tagging but I think this > is one instance where rational thought needs to override tradition. > > From: OSM Volunteer stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> > Sent: February 16,

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

We call it TALK-ca for a reason! We call it OPENStreetMap for a reason! Consensus doesn't always come easy! Thanks to everyone for good discussion. SteveA ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

ere rational thought needs to override tradition. From: OSM Volunteer stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> Sent: February 16, 2018 4:03 PM To: Jarek Piórkowski; talk-ca Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names   I stand corrected, thank you everybody. BTW I do my best not t

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

I stand corrected, thank you everybody. BTW I do my best not to abbreviate thinks like "DC" for District of Columbia, but I now better understand that "St." in many cases has now truly become the official name, abbreviation included. SteveA ___

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

We (the USA) has many sources which "say" St. Louis (Missouri) but OSM has name=Saint Louis. The latter is correct in an OSM context. Following our wiki, CAN the name be spelled without an abbreviation?" If yes, then please do so. Thanks, SteveA > On Feb 16, 2018, at 12:50 PM, James

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

See also: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/19609/saint-or-st-is-there-an-official-osm-policy On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 2:50 PM James wrote: > http://saultstemarie.ca/ > > thats how its written. even on signs to there > > On Feb 16, 2018 3:47 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea"

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

To start the cleanup process, the following *Ontario* cities are being changed (remove "City of" or "City Of").   Once that is done, I'll come back with the next batch to process... The idea to remove the city name in its entirety will require careful consideration to ensure the necessary

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Bernie Connors wrote: > I see the use of "City of" as indicating the official name of a municipality > as it is defined in legislation. Here in New Brunswick the Municipalities > Act‎ defines the official names of municipalities. Some opt to

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Bernie is correct. "City of", "Municipality of", "x County" is a legal name that would be referring to the legal entity itself (the Government) rather than the place. The place should just be Toronto, Hamilton, Mississauga etc.. The data source these legal names comes from has the legal name as

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Checked for Toronto and Ottawa they do not have "City of" : http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/search?q=Toronto[]=985=O I agree with what Bernie said, unless it's the official name. It seems it's a classification. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:02 PM, Bernie Connors

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

I see the use of "City of" as indicating the official name of a municipality as it is defined in legislation. Here in New Brunswick the Municipalities Act‎ defines the official names of municipalities. Some opt to use "City of ", "Town of ", etc in the Municipalities Act and some don't. But when

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Kevin thanks for the history lesson.  As I mentioned on other threads, I'm relatively new here, so I am missing the context, so I appreciate you filling it in. Looking at the 100 used "Town/City/Municipality of " names, they seem to be entirely in Ontario.  So perhaps this is mostly an

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

> i believe "city of" is redundant as its a classification vs a name. > Would we say "village of maniwaki"? nope. What "we say" and what "OSM tags" can vary slightly. Although with names, "what we say" is a great place to start and very largely correct. This is a topic which can explode

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

On 2018-02-12 06:05 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: On Feb 12, 2018 17:51, "Matthew Darwin" > wrote: Hi, I am now reviewing the *addr**:city* tag. Seems we are not very consistent how we use it. For example, Toronto:  110707 City of

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Hi Matthew, Not having the "City of" or "Town of" would be preferred - the reason those are there is that the CanVec data that was imported uses administrative names in the data. When people search or say an address out loud they would use "123 Yonge St, Toronto" not "123 Yonge St, City of

Re: [Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

i believe "city of" is redundant as its a classification vs a name. Would we say "village of maniwaki"? nope. On Feb 12, 2018 5:51 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > Hi, > > I am now reviewing the *addr**:city* tag. Seems we are not very > consistent how we use it. For

[Talk-ca] Formatting of Municipality Names

Hi, I am now reviewing the *addr**:city* tag.   Seems we are not very consistent how we use it.  For example, Toronto:  110707 City of Toronto    9603 Toronto   4 North York, Toronto   2 Toronto, ON   2 toronto   1 York, Toronto   1 Torontoitalian   1 Toronto;City of