Hi,
PS How will we get Scotland finished?
a.
During the German summer holidays, set up a booth at the Newcastle
ferry terminal and issue a GPS to each of them pouring out of the
ferry and heading North ;-)
b.
Hold SOTM '08 at Inverness.
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Hi,
P.S. At the last check a month or two back Shetland still didn't have any
coastline.
That's because I gave up after Orkney and about half the Outer
Hebrides.
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the
Enlightened may edit. (And even when the Enlightened make an edit, as
happened to Y.T. recently, people complain about the cavalier manner
in which it was done ;-)
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a wrong
turn somewhere), i.e. you need many to make sense.
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Hi,
in Germany we have yellow signs
(http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ortstafel) that tell you when you're
legally entering a city/town/village traffic area. In such a traffic
area (geschlossene Ortschaft), reduced default speed limits apply.
However, the beast is completely separate from (a)
and present are
connected in some places (old church, railway now used as cycleway),
so if someone moves today's church in the database, the 100 year old
church must be moved as well - while other things are in different
universes completely...
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to the
ways you select, then those two nodes define the orientation to which
all objects will be aligned. This can also be used to e.g. align
buildings with the road they're on or so.
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Hi,
Tim Waters (chippy) wrote:
OSM are partners in the launch with Stamen, apparently.
Would be nice to know more about OSM role. - The name Stamen has
appeared with some OSM connection before but I can neither remember nor
find it now...
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shot or something like that? Should the OSMF data working
group be involved?
All these things need to be considered, especially as we'll have more
cases of this in the future and we do not want to set a wrong precedent.
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Hi,
Nick Barnes wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that having a wiki which is open to everybody
and doesn't have any controls over who can do what is utterly ludicrous?
No, millions of Wikipedia contributors think it is a good thing (and
they even allow edits from people without an account) ;-)
Hi,
Nick Barnes wrote:
Point taken, but Wikipedia isn't trying to position itself as a viable
and reliable alternative for a mission critical commercial solution (I'm
thinking about mapping for SatNav devices here).
I don't think we should either, because this leads to more control and
less
Hi,
I'd agree with this. I'd also suggest using some sort of historic tag.
I've been using historic=house for a few old houses of various sorts.
The wiki has historic=manor, though it is only explained in German (but
I assume it is a similar thing):
Hi,
Tom Chance wrote:
Is it possible to revert all the changes to relations in changeset 2458838?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2458838
Done.
For the record:
1. wget -O foo
'http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/2458838/download'
2. grep relation foo |grep id|cut
David,
David Earl wrote:
... which also won't revert now its closed (changeset upload failed:
409 Conflict)
I also hear you talk about automatic reversion which gets a failure
rate of about half. Are you sure that you know what you are doing?
Because if not then there's a risk that you make
Hi,
Dave Stubbs wrote:
The problem needs fixing with better tools for sorting out mess, not
more weird and wonderful metrics for getting in people's way.
+1
Whenever a vandal pops up, we have tons of people coming up with tons of
cool measures to shoot oneself in the foot, and if they had
of technical issues especially if what you're importing is somehow
connected to what's already there.
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.) If, however, that would lead to you
having to add bicycle=no to 95% of trunk roads then maybe it is better
proceed as you have planned.
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start
to *demand* you release something, that motivation tends to shrivel.
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Hi,
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
To be fair it can be quite pleasant mapping the nicer residential areas in
spring and early summer when the flowers are out in the gardens, etc.
I'm sort of missing the obvious reference to girls and the length of
their skirts but I guess that was supposed to be
Hi,
Tom Chance wrote:
We only do it for public services,
That is going to be one hell of a definition problem. Isn't London
Underground run by some kind of public-private-whatever? And you'll
certainly have to exclude DLR then as they are operated by a private
company. Oh wait, they are
Hi,
Tom Hughes wrote:
For clients supporting multiple projections, wouldn't it be best to have
a WMS (preferably a WMS-C) allowing to choose between the 2 projections
(+ EPSG:4326, maybe)? It might be that
http://os.openstreetmap.org/wms/map.php?source=sv;
Hi,
Russ Phillips wrote:
I'd also be interested in a script that highlighted
roads whose position in OSM was a long way off their position in OS, but
I don't know how easy or difficult that would be.
Muki Haklay has done this several times in the past when OS data was
still closed, and
to be published under ODbL as it
is still not entirely impossible that we'll want to use that license
some time in the future.
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comparison, I strongly suggest to get a very clear view of this, either
by having the OS say yes ok or at least getting a statement from our
own licensing working group.
Because doing large-scale tracing and later having to remove it all sucks.
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Richard,
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Secondly, some people (e.g. Frederik) have raised a concern that it
might be possible to create Produced Works without the attribution that
Ordnance Survey requires, by licensing the Produced Work as public
domain - which would not require recipients of
create a wiki page and collect these things
there. This can later be used as a good argument for others to release
data: Look, these guys gave us their data and we helped them improve it
in return.
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Hi,
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Therefore distributing a Produced Work as public domain, with no
attribution requirement, does _not_ fulfil your obligation to include a
notice... reasonably calculated to make any Person... aware. So you
can't do it. The most permissive licence which may be used
Brian Prangle wrote:
Have we got to the stage of mapping these that it would be worth the
effort in replicating a rendering similar to OpenCycleMap?. The wiki
page on long distance paths seems to have a pretty comprehensive listing
and you can get nice maps when you browse the relation for
Hi,
Ed Avis wrote:
It's hard to give a factual answer to this. However the only reasonable guess
is 'no'. I cannot imagine any licence change going ahead that would require
giving up the OS data.
Pardon me for barging in with an international perspective, but bear in
mind that OS-derived
audience, added in a few
tags - that's all I remember.
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Hi,
On 11/18/10 00:17, Andrew Ainsworth wrote:
I've just noticed that every tree has been edited by a bot recently,
Since nobody on this list seems to be in favour of the automated change,
and Andrew asked me for help, I'm reverting that change for the area of
the British Isles. It seems
Tom,
On 01/21/11 13:23, Tom Chance wrote:
Should I gaily assume [...] or should I leave it to
somebody [...] with a sound knowledge
Deferring to people with a sound knowledge of the subject mapper has
absolutely no tradition in OSM ;)
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Hi,
On 01/21/11 13:26, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Deferring to people with a sound knowledge of the subject mapper has
absolutely no tradition in OSM ;)
Subject matter, even.
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On 01/21/11 13:36, Andrew wrote:
as streams and rivers that form part of the boundaries need to be
integrated.
What do you mean by that?
If the centreline of the river (or a road, or a coastline) *is* the
boundary, then you do *not* want a separate way in the OSM database
describing
Lester,
On 01/21/11 13:50, Lester Caine wrote:
Why not? Look up a postcode, and find a link to the business you are
working with, then confirm that postcode and address are correct. It's
amazing how many businesses are actually using the wrong post code!
You're allowed to check the street
Peter,
Peter Miller wrote:
See you in court then ;)
Legal-talk, rather - I've opened up a new thread there!
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On 02/04/11 13:32, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Why isn't the UK complete yet? Amazingly, in a worldwide community of
350,000 registered users (with thousands in the UK), we have:
... a two-digit number of helpful individuals on this list telling you
what ought to be done!
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Hi,
On 02/10/11 11:35, Henry Gomersall wrote:
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 10:30 +, Peter Miller wrote:
Personally I would prefer a single linear way for streams rather than
the area 'river-bank' approach which the OS use
The 'river-bank' approach has been exceptionally useful to me at times
has been happening. Reality check, anyone?
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think that's not correct, at least not for the current version of the
contributor terms. Unlimited rights is certainly a gross
overstatement. Current CTs only require you to declare that the data you
contribute is compatible with the current license regime?
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should be fine with CT/ODbL?
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Hi,
On 04/19/11 11:10, Lennard wrote:
Granted, as a maintainer of a few maps, I'm biased. I just detest those
negating tags. This is a $shazbaz. Oh, no, it isn't!
It's often natural language that makes people do that. For example,
people say: This is a railway line under construction, or
Hi,
On 04/19/11 12:32, TimSC wrote:
I still think that the CTs ask
for rights to be granted that are broader than are granted by the
Opendata license. This point is disputed by Richard and others. Here are
the most prolific Opendata users (in terms of version 1 objects) that
have accepted the
- once you have
such a relation, you can simply get /api/0.6/relation/12345/full and you
have the complete A1 from London to Edinburgh. And possibly back again.
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development, that's true, but it is based
on experience and observation; it's not just a fad. And it is unlikely
to turn around again any time soon.
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Hi,
On 06/29/11 15:58, SomeoneElse wrote:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8573585
Changeset comment Ashbourne map - plain might point to user wanting to
make a nice no-frills map for himself and not thinking about the
consequences ;)
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Hi,
On 10/27/2011 02:45 AM, Mick wrote:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:historic:civilization. This
seems to propose a hierarchy of tags: historic:civilisation = 'roman'
historic:period=''
historic:era=''
As far as I can tell these are hardly used in
Andy,
On 11/08/2011 12:12 PM, Andy Allan wrote:
Colon-delineated key namespaces are the exact opposite of
easy-for-mappers, for all bar a very few ultra-geeky mappers. Who
happen to be the kind of people to invent new colon-delineated key
namespaces and find them easy to use, as it happens.
to
repair any damage you might cause.
This must be stopped.
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Hi,
On 01/03/2012 10:09 AM, Derick Rethans wrote:
Can someone revert this changeset 10271153 and ban the user.
It seems that Frederik has already done that.
Yes, sorry, I accidentally replied to John only and not the the list. I
reverted the edit and asked the user what this was about but
Hi,
On 01/04/12 12:52, Tom Chance wrote:
The only mention I can find of this on the wiki dismisses the issue and
inaccurately suggests these objects do in fact have a user associated
with them, so it's not a problem:
Hi,
On 01/10/12 14:53, David Earl wrote:
Yes, the trouble is when Frederik pointed this out and referred to the
page, it says it is for cases where the suspect edit has been wiped out,
not simply verified from other sources. How can you change the name from
itself to itself and actually have
Hi,
On 01/10/12 15:37, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Yes, the trouble is when Frederik pointed this out and referred to the
page, it says it is for cases where the suspect edit has been wiped out,
not simply verified from other sources. How can you change the name from
itself to itself and actually have
loss.
For this to happen, we need people in OSM who know about the licenses,
who care about the project, and who want to help shape its future.
You could be one of them.
Or you could give up and go home.
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thing was to
signal to the mapper this object has been touched by a decliner but is
still considered ok, you don't have to remap it. I did that hoping that
people would occasionally check if OSMI does the right thing ;) but
maybe the time of the yellow stuff is over.
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of the world to beware. Because that
way it might actually get fixed.
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I'll remove every FIXME from objects he touched in the last week.
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. Caution: Trying to re-map with only the filtered.osm
file loaded is bound to cause trouble as you will be deleting nodes that
are still used by other objects; make sure to download an area around
where you plan to remap first.
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that your script does the right thing?
Especially if your IP number for the day is 81.156.53.226?
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there for at
least 6 days until someone brought it up.
Something to keep in mind for automatic vandalism detectors; anything
rendered on small zooms is a more attractive target for playful
contributors.
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they should work on their This data may not be reproduced in any
form without permission. then ;)
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a message
saying that I intend to revert unless mapper has good reason (and I
would be unlikely to accept anything they say as a good reason but
still it would be a little more courteous than simply reverting I guess).
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=53.44899lon=-2.73245zoom=15
It seems that at most of these have been contributed by user Salkunh who
had not agreed to the new license when the redaction was executed. He
seems to have agreed later, but the data cannot be automatically restored.
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being mistaken for OSM.
(Also, someone should tell them about the license change.)
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to 27 GB today (from
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet/2013/) - both sizes are .osm.bz2
file size.
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through all objects
tagged natural=meadow, read potential note tags, look at the other tags
and/or aerial imagery, and *then* change them to landuse=meadow, that
would not be a mechanical edit.
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Re. your latest point you don't know what you're doing - my impression
is that your attitude is I know better anyway, an attitude that is
problematic enough in mappers but becomes inacceptable as soon as people
make large-scale edits.
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will then be acted upon by DWG.
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Hi,
On 15.09.2013 23:09, Colin Smale wrote:
Just forwarding this to talk-gb as well as it is on their patch...
Appears Firefishy has already taken care of it
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/17858148
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a message myself, and will
block him if he continues.
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(if you had wanted to vent
your anger, publishing it without the sender's name would have been
sufficient), maybe we can go back to normal and you can explain which
bits of TomH's explanation of the status quo you haven't understood.
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Hi,
On 01.12.2013 21:00, Oliver Jowett wrote:
What's the workaround for users that do not wish to retain cookies?
GreaseMonkey could be an option.
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relations it is often easier
to revert early.
I'll leave you to battle that out amongst yourselves then ;)
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continue as soon as they log in and read the message, but they haven't
done so yet.
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Hi,
On 03/26/2014 05:01 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
I've been contacted by someone from the German Museum of Technology
in Berlin (http://www.sdtb.de/English.122.0.html).
Better Link http://www.sdtb.de/Home.623.0.html
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for this Black Forest train ride
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9789#map=13/48.1568/8.2535 for
example ;)
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well there will be a live stream as well as a recording
afterwards. No idea if that is a competitor or if both ideas can be
merged somehow.
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aren't any better as a far as I can judge. The
only reason I haven't yet blown these tags to pieces is that I can
occasionally use them in rants like this.
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that in an area where it is obvious from
visually comparing the 1:1250 map to Bing imagery that the buildings
haven't meanwhile been replaced by something else entirely.
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memberships of the old object. But that,
again, is a very advanced operation that will be difficult to sell to a
newbie.
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requires of us to make sure our
editors only add the correct spelling (whatever the corporate PR wants
it to be at the moment)?
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| pub | Princess Louise | -0.12157304700441 |
51.5172546574115
(2 rows)
And the same query for points gives zero results.
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consistently
behave like someone who is not interested in peace and harmony one bit.
All your messages are written from the assumption that all of us here in
this project must be idiots, and it shows. Politeness, respect, decency
- any of these mean anything to you?
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, both Dave and Rob were to set up
competing UK/GB OpenStreetMap groups ;)
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Hi,
On 10/23/2015 05:19 PM, ael wrote:
> Personally, I think that they should be blocked until they provide a
> proper explanation. The sheer scale is highly suspicious.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/828
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ons people seem to achieve a
service quality that many commercial providers would dream of...
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uot; and how all
this is somehow related to a few colours changing on the osm.org map, I
think you lost me there.
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this does not aim to be a good world map but rather
a good indication of OSM data density.
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https
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33890248
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