Re: [OSM-talk-be] Missing Maxspeed in Brussels

2012-08-03 Thread eMerzh
Yeah i know this,
but i wanted to specially highlight big highways without maxspeed to
see what's missing ...

but yes ito can surely help :)

Regards,

eMerzh

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Open Data in Wallonie - Request of Minister Ph. Henry - OSM Meeting in Namur in September ?

2012-08-03 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi !

If you wish not to attend the meeting with Philippe Henry and his 
representatives, maybe you would be interested giving your opinion on 
his proposals at an OSM Meeting ? Personnaly, I will be more confident 
if I could tell things that have been discussed amongst contributors before.


I am going to close the pool to decide the meeting next monday : 
http://framadate.org/wg4dptwpfgerzs1v .


You'll see: Namur is a pretty city and, like in Brussels, we have 
electricity and wifi !

Julien Fastré


Le 30/07/12 17:07, Chris Browet a écrit :
Yep, same as Sander, I'm from Brussel, and I'm not sure there should 
be more people than the 3 people initially involved attending the meeting.


Note for the record that the PICC is viewable in Merkaartor, in 
Lambert 72.


- Chris -

On 30 July 2012 15:29, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com 
mailto:sander...@gmail.com wrote:


I'm interested in more data, but I'm not from Wallonia, and I
agree with point 2, there shouldn't be too many people there. So
that means I certainly shouldn't be there.

Cheers,
Sander


2012/7/30 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com mailto:merz...@gmail.com

Hi...
back from vacations :D

I've added my disponibilities in the framadate :)

No one else interrested ? maybe the vacations does not help
here :/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Royal Mail Incorrect OSM Usage

2012-08-03 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Robert Norris rw_nor...@hotmail.com wrote:


 I think it's nice that the Royal Mail have chosen to use OSM for the 
 backdrop to their site for Great Britain Golden Postbox listings to 
 celebrate Team GB successes in the current Olympics:

 http://www.goldpostboxes.com/

 1. I think a certain Attribution clause is missing[1]
 2. I think they are merely pointing to the OSM main tileserver 
 (tile.openstreetmap.org) - this doesn't seem in keeping with the OSM Tile 
 Usage Policy[2]

 [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy

 First reaction: Make sure everything near those markers is mapped
 well! (check for license bot damage?)

 I also sent them a friendly tweet. What are the chances that anyone
 will see it? :)


For what it's worth, there *is* attribution in the code that sets up OpenLayers:

osm_mapnik:{baselayer:true,attribution:\u0026copy;\u003Ca
href=\u0022http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/2.0\/\u0022\u003ECCBYSA\u003C\/a\u003E
2010\n  \u003Ca
href=\u0022http:\/\/www.openstreetmap.org\/\u0022\u003EOpenStreetMap.org\u003C\/a\u003E
contributors, [...]

Something just seems to be preventing it from displaying.

Toby

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Re: [OSM-talk] Royal Mail Incorrect OSM Usage

2012-08-03 Thread Tom Hughes

On 03/08/12 07:45, Toby Murray wrote:


For what it's worth, there *is* attribution in the code that sets up OpenLayers:

osm_mapnik:{baselayer:true,attribution:\u0026copy;\u003Ca
href=\u0022http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/2.0\/\u0022\u003ECCBYSA\u003C\/a\u003E
2010\n  \u003Ca
href=\u0022http:\/\/www.openstreetmap.org\/\u0022\u003EOpenStreetMap.org\u003C\/a\u003E
contributors, [...]

Something just seems to be preventing it from displaying.


They probably haven't added the attribution control to the map.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-08-03 Thread Peter Wendorff

Am 03.08.2012 02:19, schrieb Eugene Sandulenko:

Moreover, having unpredictable mix in 'name' will degrade quality of
any navigational maps or geocoding.
While I cannot say anything regarding your other points, and, to be 
clear, I don't oppose you in general, I would like to disagree with this 
argument:
Having an unpredictable mix in name will not degrade quality of 
anything, as long as you provide the languaged tags, too.
We have the discussion about that currently in another thread - and I 
think, this edit war is an additional argument on not using lang=* as a 
separate tag but to use redundant name tags:


To fix navigational maps and geocoding, use all useful localized 
variants: independent of what's in name, use name:ru, name:crimea (or 
whatever language code crimean has, I'm not sure, sorry), name:en.


Navigational maps and geocoding software that does not use these tags, 
too, is broken - and it should be possible to fix it.


regards
Peter


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Re: [OSM-talk] Final results lost mappers task force

2012-08-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
 From an original 1014 contributors in the first group a total of 495
 agreed, resulting in a nearly 50% success rate. Of the 2nd group of 959,
 362 agreed, giving a success rate of 38%. There was naturally some
 acceptances in both groups that weren't directly attributable to our
 efforts, but the residual acceptance rate before we started was very
 near zero and continued to be so after April the 1st up to a final
 effort just before the bot ran.

Out of curiosity, do you have any figures for what percentage of
contacted mappers chose to decline? (Obviously some proportion of
those that took no action probably did so intentionally, knowing the
consequences - but we won't know which).

Steve

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Re: [OSM-talk] Royal Mail Incorrect OSM Usage

2012-08-03 Thread Nick Whitelegg

Hello Rob,

Fair point for 1. For 2, though, I don't think there's a blanket ban on using 
the tileserver from a web front end unless it gets very heavily used - I think 
apps are more of a problem.

Nick

-Robert Norris rw_nor...@hotmail.com wrote: -
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
From: Robert Norris rw_nor...@hotmail.com
Date: 03/08/2012 02:00AM
Subject: [OSM-talk]  Royal Mail Incorrect OSM Usage


I think it's nice that the Royal Mail have chosen to use OSM for the backdrop 
to their site for Great Britain Golden Postbox listings to celebrate Team GB 
successes in the current Olympics:

http://www.goldpostboxes.com/

1. I think a certain Attribution clause is missing[1]
2. I think they are merely pointing to the OSM main tileserver 
(tile.openstreetmap.org) - this doesn't seem in keeping with the OSM Tile Usage 
Policy[2]

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy



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Re: [OSM-talk] Final results lost mappers task force

2012-08-03 Thread Simon Poole
Non rigorous answer: less than a dozen I believe.

You naturally have to differentiate between genuine non-responders
which didn't respond because they didn't know (spam filter, invalid
e-mail address, e-mail account no longer in use and so on)  and
decliners that didn't accept the CTs for tactical or other reasons. As
far as possible we avoided wasting time going after the later group and
they are not included in my numbers (a couple slipped through the cracks
but in general they didn't change their position).

Simon 

Am 03.08.2012 10:26, schrieb Steve Bennett:
 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
 From an original 1014 contributors in the first group a total of 495
 agreed, resulting in a nearly 50% success rate. Of the 2nd group of 959,
 362 agreed, giving a success rate of 38%. There was naturally some
 acceptances in both groups that weren't directly attributable to our
 efforts, but the residual acceptance rate before we started was very
 near zero and continued to be so after April the 1st up to a final
 effort just before the bot ran.
 Out of curiosity, do you have any figures for what percentage of
 contacted mappers chose to decline? (Obviously some proportion of
 those that took no action probably did so intentionally, knowing the
 consequences - but we won't know which).

 Steve



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[OSM-talk] OpenBuildingModels repository

2012-08-03 Thread Matthias

Hi all,

a first prototype of the OpenBuildingModels platform is finally online.
OpenBuildingModels aims to be a free-to-use online repository for 
architectural 3D building models. These models can be referenced in 
OpenStreetMap and are also displayed in the OSM-3D globe. However, the 
models can just as well be freely used for any other purpose (ODbL license).


Try it out yourself at http://openbuildingmodels.uni-hd.de!

More information can be found in the Wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenBuildingModels

Please note that the platform is still in Beta stage. Any kind of 
feedback is welcome!


Best regards,
Matthias Uden

(Chair of GIScience, University of Heidelberg, Germany)

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[OSM-talk] OpenBuildingModels repository

2012-08-03 Thread Matthias

Hi all,

a first prototype of the OpenBuildingModels platform is finally online.
OpenBuildingModels aims to be a free-to-use online repository for 
architectural 3D building models. These models can be referenced in 
OpenStreetMap and are also displayed in the OSM-3D globe. However, the 
models can just as well be freely used for any other purpose (ODbL license).


Try it out yourself at http://openbuildingmodels.uni-hd.de

More information can be found in the Wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenBuildingModels

Please note that the platform is still in Beta stage. Any kind of 
feedback is welcome!


Best regards,
Matthias Uden
(bvbmatze)

(Chair of GIScience, University of Heidelberg, Germany)

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenBuildingModels repository

2012-08-03 Thread Matthias
Ups, sorry!! I did not mean to answer to this topic but start a new 
one... Forget about this reply.


M.


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenBuildingModels repository

2012-08-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hello Matthias,

what a surprise: I didn't expect an actual working beta for a building
model repository. You know from previous discussions that I believe such
a site is very much needed. So instead of repeating that, I'll skip
straight to the criticism. ;)

On 03.08.2012 11:19, Matthias wrote:
 a first prototype of the OpenBuildingModels platform is finally online.
 OpenBuildingModels aims to be a free-to-use online repository for
 architectural 3D building models. These models can be referenced in
 OpenStreetMap and are also displayed in the OSM-3D globe.

I'm a bit worried that this might be too strongly tied to the Heidelberg
OSM-3D globe. In particular, I have the following concerns:

* Is there, or will there be, an equivalent to the OSM planet files,
i.e. a possibility to download the entire content of your repository
(including metadata)?

* The VRML format is an odd choice. Afaik it is not commonly used in the
3D OSM community. What are your reasons for choosing it?

* Will yo make the source code for the website freely available, and do
you plan to accept outside contributions?

I hope you are willing to make this resource usable and trustworthy for
other developers. We really don't need multiple competing 3D model
repositories at this point.

 However, the
 models can just as well be freely used for any other purpose (ODbL
 license).

That's a worrisome choice, too - it seems that the models stored in the
repository will therefore become incompatible with OSM data if we ever
choose to use the relicensing clause of the Contributor Terms to switch
to a different license?

In my opinion, it would be more future-proof to define legal terms for
your repository that would always at least allow the models to be used
under the same license as the one used by OSM at that point in time. An
appropriate legal arrangement would have to be found, but I think that
this would be an important effort.

Tobias

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Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-08-03 Thread Eugene Sandulenko
On 3 August 2012 11:07, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote:
 Moreover, having unpredictable mix in 'name' will degrade quality of
 any navigational maps or geocoding.

 While I cannot say anything regarding your other points, and, to be clear, I
 don't oppose you in general, I would like to disagree with this argument:
 Having an unpredictable mix in name will not degrade quality of anything, as
 long as you provide the languaged tags, too.
Of course. The thing is, that we (overall Ukrainian community) do care
about having all three languages in toponyms (Russian, Ukrainan,
English), while the edit war started by silently killing Ukrainian.

Which brings another question:

What does everyone think if we go through all Ukraine and copy name
tag with Ukrainian in it into name:uk? This will be a huge
semi-automated task. Any opinions?


Eugene

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Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-08-03 Thread Peter Wendorff

Am 03.08.2012 12:55, schrieb Eugene Sandulenko:

On 3 August 2012 11:07, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote:

Moreover, having unpredictable mix in 'name' will degrade quality of
any navigational maps or geocoding.

While I cannot say anything regarding your other points, and, to be clear, I
don't oppose you in general, I would like to disagree with this argument:
Having an unpredictable mix in name will not degrade quality of anything, as
long as you provide the languaged tags, too.

Of course. The thing is, that we (overall Ukrainian community) do care
about having all three languages in toponyms (Russian, Ukrainan,
English), while the edit war started by silently killing Ukrainian.

Which brings another question:

What does everyone think if we go through all Ukraine and copy name
tag with Ukrainian in it into name:uk? This will be a huge
semi-automated task. Any opinions?
If it's clear that with that ukrainian goes to name:uk, I'm pretty sure 
that will be a good choice - and that's what I proposed here.
And: I'm sure if anybody deletes name:uk, without the values being wrong 
(e.g. because your semi automated edit wrongly copied a russian name 
from name to name:uk ;) ), that would be opposed by a strong majority 
all over the world.


The generic name tag is more difficult and has to be solved otherwise; 
as I think Fred still mentioned, in the Palestine/Israel region there 
was the situation where in fact name was deleted completely and only the 
two conflicting name:he and name:ar (I think, while I'm not sure) had 
been kept.


Thus: deleting name:uk containing correct values before is seen as clear 
vandalism, so go for it and use the localized variants at least.


regards
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenBuildingModels repository

2012-08-03 Thread Matthias

Hi Tobias,

thanks for your valuable feedback. I agree with your opinions regarding 
3D model repositories, collaborative work etc.


Tobias Knerr:


I'm a bit worried that this might be too strongly tied to the Heidelberg
OSM-3D globe. In particular, I have the following concerns:

* Is there, or will there be, an equivalent to the OSM planet files,
i.e. a possibility to download the entire content of your repository
(including metadata)?


At the moment it certainly is strongly linked to our OSM-3D approach.
However, the idea is to make the models of course available to any other 
3D viewer that wants to use them.
So far the models can only be browsed via the website and downloaded 
manually in .zip format. So there is no Download All, let alone an API 
or Web Service for the repository data.

This is definitely desirable and on the wishlist for future features.



* The VRML format is an odd choice. Afaik it is not commonly used in the
3D OSM community. What are your reasons for choosing it?


That's right. The reason for choosing VRML for the time being is the 
internal compatibility with our OSM-3D databases. This is to be changed 
in the future or at least an automatic conversion (with e.g. MeshLab) 
should be integrated, so that the user doesn't have to bother about the 
format.



* Will yo make the source code for the website freely available, and do
you plan to accept outside contributions?


Due to security issues (uploads to our servers) this is currently not 
planned. However, in general I do agree and would like to make it 
OpenSource. I have to discuss this with colleagues first :-)





However, the
models can just as well be freely used for any other purpose (ODbL
license).


That's a worrisome choice, too - it seems that the models stored in the
repository will therefore become incompatible with OSM data if we ever
choose to use the relicensing clause of the Contributor Terms to switch
to a different license?

In my opinion, it would be more future-proof to define legal terms for
your repository that would always at least allow the models to be used
under the same license as the one used by OSM at that point in time. An
appropriate legal arrangement would have to be found, but I think that
this would be an important effort.


OK, maybe I got something wrong here. I chose ODbL because I thought 
that it is the new OSM license?! Admittedly, I don't know much about the 
recent license change and might have confused something.
But in general I get your point, that the license should always be the 
same as OSM. I don't know, though, how to formulate that properly in 
the licensing terms. If you know more about this, you could maybe 
suggest a concrete licensing text.


So... it is basically a working platform, but still many open issues 
remain :-)


Cheers,
Matthias




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Re: [OSM-talk] Royal Mail Incorrect OSM Usage

2012-08-03 Thread Craig Wallace

On 03/08/2012 03:36, Toby Murray wrote:

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Robert Norris rw_nor...@hotmail.com wrote:



I think it's nice that the Royal Mail have chosen to use OSM for the backdrop 
to their site for Great Britain Golden Postbox listings to celebrate Team GB 
successes in the current Olympics:

http://www.goldpostboxes.com/

1. I think a certain Attribution clause is missing[1]
2. I think they are merely pointing to the OSM main tileserver 
(tile.openstreetmap.org) - this doesn't seem in keeping with the OSM Tile Usage 
Policy[2]

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy


First reaction: Make sure everything near those markers is mapped
well! (check for license bot damage?)


And check whether those postboxes are actually mapped in OSM.

Though I'm not sure how accurate that Gold Post Boxes map is.
The Bradley Wiggins postbox is listed as Markey Street, Chorley, but 
the map seems to be pointing to Adlington, a few miles away. And the one 
for Westminster Abbey is marked at Trafalgar Square.


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Re: [OSM-talk] POI collection methods

2012-08-03 Thread Gregory
A normal mapping trip for me is 1-2 hours and 200 photos.
I use the camera in my phone (I got through too many compact digital
cameras) which can nicely be used with one hand while cycling and a garmin
GPS for the track log.
A habit of taking a photo of the GPS' clock at the start of each trip/day
is good so you can check they sync well in JOSM.

On 2 August 2012 20:17, Svavar Kjarrval sva...@kjarrval.is wrote:

 Thanks all for your responses.

 I decided to enable geotagging for my photos and use OsmTracker for
 tracking (1 sec interval). Then I load the gpx file and the photos into
 JOSM where I put the POIs into OSM. Yesterday I marked in a bit more
 than 200 POIs and today might bring in rougly the same amount.

 So far, so good.

 - Svavar Kjarrval

 On 31/07/12 07:42, Toby Murray wrote:
  On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Svavar Kjarrval sva...@kjarrval.is
 wrote:
  Hi.
 
  I'm trying to collect POI information en masse in my home town by taking
  daily walks in different areas each day. I use the program OsmPad to
  collect housenumbers and it's good for that purpose but I have to stop
  for awhile when typing in additional information like a housename or
  construction year. Now I'm trying to collect information about POIs like
  shops and other amenities; I discovered that it would take an even
  greater time if I were to use the same method for them, nevermind that
  OsmPad was not designed for such a massive amount of information.
 
  It started to hit me that I needed a method which would enable me to
  quickly collect the information and continue with my walk, sorting out
  the information later, or handing it over for someone else to type in.
 
  I started to look into other programs and stumbled upon OSMTracker and
  noticed a photo feature and a voice recorder. Sadly, I cannot move the
  cursor around to configure the coordinates. Otherwise it would solve my
  problem because then I'd be able to take a picture of the entrance and
  know where on the building it was. When I'm fairly close to buildings,
  there's a danger of the GPS chip losing contact with satellites and the
  GPS coordinates to be less accurate. Also, it could be hard for someone
  else to review my data and know where exactly I'm pointing the camera.
 
  What methods do you use? Are there any programs for Android which could
  fit my needs?
  You don't have to get everything right down to the centimeter. I
  wouldn't worry too much about a little lost accuracy here and there.
  If you're using OsmTracker then I assume you are editing in JOSM after
  you get home where you can review your trace and correct for any
  obvious GPS drifting. I've used OsmTracker a fair amount, sometimes in
  a car, sometimes on foot. Note for car use: It geotags pictures at the
  time that you exit the camera and return to OsmTracker, not when the
  picture was actually taken. If you are traveling at 70 mph this can be
  a big difference :)
 
  The other good option is to use a standalone GPS device and a camera.
  Dedicated GPS devices tend to have better antennas than phones so you
  don't have to worry about losing accuracy as much. Then you can match
  the trace from the GPS device to your pictures based on timestamp in
  JOSM and do your editing there where you can also reference aerial
  imagery, assuming Bing has some in your area.
 
  Other Android apps are OsmAnd which lets you add POIs and upload them
  directly to OSM from your phone. But it only allows you to capture
  name and opening hours.
 
  There is also Vespucci which is pretty powerful but will also be slow
  to use on the go. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vespucci
 
  Toby
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Changes in OSM Inspector: WTFE layer gone, new Redaction layer

2012-08-03 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

   quick update on the world-wide redaction layer:

On 07/26/2012 11:35 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

RED is for stuff deleted by the bot. You will be able to click on
individual items and see the tags of the deleted object with a big
WARNING saying that you must not copy that to OSM. Please heed the warning.


Deleted items shown in red will now have a little trash can icon
(illustration: http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/osmitrash.png). If you
click that, then the item will be removed from the database.


The items will not be removed now, but instead moved onto a new layer 
(colour GREEN), so that you can see that there was something here but 
someone else thought it was unimportant so it was trashed.


Also, if you trash a way, all its nodes will now go with it.

Still to do: Ability to trash modified objects rather than just 
deleted ones.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Royal Mail Incorrect OSM Usage

2012-08-03 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 On 03/08/2012 03:36, Toby Murray wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Robert Norris rw_nor...@hotmail.com
 wrote:



 I think it's nice that the Royal Mail have chosen to use OSM for the
 backdrop to their site for Great Britain Golden Postbox listings to
 celebrate Team GB successes in the current Olympics:

 http://www.goldpostboxes.com/

 1. I think a certain Attribution clause is missing[1]
 2. I think they are merely pointing to the OSM main tileserver
 (tile.openstreetmap.org) - this doesn't seem in keeping with the OSM Tile
 Usage Policy[2]

 [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy


 First reaction: Make sure everything near those markers is mapped
 well! (check for license bot damage?)


 And check whether those postboxes are actually mapped in OSM.

 Though I'm not sure how accurate that Gold Post Boxes map is.
 The Bradley Wiggins postbox is listed as Markey Street, Chorley, but the
 map seems to be pointing to Adlington, a few miles away. And the one for
 Westminster Abbey is marked at Trafalgar Square.

Attribution has been remedied, complete with a twitter apology.

https://twitter.com/royalmailnews/status/231381561604440064

Toby

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Re: [OSM-talk] Royal Mail Incorrect OSM Usage

2012-08-03 Thread Grant Slater
On 3 August 2012 02:00, Robert Norris rw_nor...@hotmail.com wrote:
...
 2. I think they are merely pointing to the OSM main tileserver 
 (tile.openstreetmap.org) - this doesn't seem in keeping with the OSM Tile 
 Usage Policy[2]

 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy

I'm the sysadmin who looks after the tile server (caching)... I am
really pleased they are using OSM. I don't mind them using
tile.osm.org at all. I'll keep an eye on resources and add more if
required.

/ Grant

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[OSM-talk] Re. OpenBuildingModels repository

2012-08-03 Thread Alexander Zipf

Hi Tobias,


  * Will yo make the source code for the website freely available, and do
  you plan to accept outside contributions?

Matthias mentioned in his answer that this is not planned yet, but in fact I 
like this idea very much and certainly we would love to welcome outside 
contributions.
At the moment it is just a matter of how much we can do this without running 
into secrurity risks, because internal info of our server structure might be 
released. I need to check this first...
We just haven't thought into this deeply enough how this can be realized 
practically without giving too much control to our servers to the wild.
But if you or anybody else is interested in contributing one might do this also 
on a more bilateral base.



 I'm a bit worried that this might be too strongly tied to the Heidelberg
 OSM-3D globe.


this is only true for the web based 3d visualization (and there is no other 
global 3D OSM service around).
But of course anybody can download the data and use it however he likes. So 
this web based 3D visualization is just an option to see the uploaded data live 
together with the other OSM data.

all the best
alex
http://giscience.uni-hd.de


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenBuildingModels repository

2012-08-03 Thread Joakim Fors

On 3 aug 2012, at 11:19, Matthias u...@uni-heidelberg.de wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 a first prototype of the OpenBuildingModels platform is finally online.
 OpenBuildingModels aims to be a free-to-use online repository for 
 architectural 3D building models. These models can be referenced in 
 OpenStreetMap and are also displayed in the OSM-3D globe. However, the models 
 can just as well be freely used for any other purpose (ODbL license).
 
 Try it out yourself at http://openbuildingmodels.uni-hd.de

Any plans on replacing the current Windows only model viewer with a 
HTML5/Canvas/insert buzzword here 3D viewer?


 
 More information can be found in the Wiki:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenBuildingModels
 
 Please note that the platform is still in Beta stage. Any kind of feedback is 
 welcome!
 
 Best regards,
 Matthias Uden
 (bvbmatze)
 
 (Chair of GIScience, University of Heidelberg, Germany)
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline generation resumed

2012-08-03 Thread Simone Cortesi
Paul,
are you still running it 3 times a day?

It seems to be in a frozen state since at least 4 days. Fixed errors
still show up.

Any idea?

Thanks,
Simone

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
 Minor update: I am now running three times a day. Exact upload times depend
 on runtime which is largely a factor of dev server speed. Errors points are
 definitely going down. Many thanks for David Groom for both hosting the
 visualization and for often fixing errors before I can get to them, even
 though I know when my runs finish.

 From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com]
 Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:55 PM
 To: 'osm-talk'
 Subject: [OSM-talk] Coastline generation resumed

 I have resumed my daily generation of coastline files. These are
 generated with the coastcheck program[1] from my jxapi database starting
 at 5 AM pacific time. They take 3-4 hours to generate and upload,
 depending on my internet speed at the time.

 The completed files are uploaded to
 http://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/coastlines/

 If opening these shapefiles in QGIS be sure to create a spatial index
 for tolerable performance.

 There is a visualization of errors at http://www.wightpaths.co.uk/coast/

 Many of the errors appear to be short errors between ways that became
 disconnected. More complicated errors are often best fixed by deleting
 the bad coastline and retracing.

 [1]: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/coastcheck/



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Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline generation resumed

2012-08-03 Thread Paul Norman
Whoops - looks like I had disabled the cron job. Files should start
uploading at about 2-3 AM UTC.

 -Original Message-
 From: Simone Cortesi [mailto:sim...@cortesi.com]
 Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:34 PM
 To: Paul Norman
 Cc: osm-talk
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline generation resumed
 
 Paul,
 are you still running it 3 times a day?
 
 It seems to be in a frozen state since at least 4 days. Fixed errors
 still show up.
 
 Any idea?
 
 Thanks,
 Simone
 
 On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
  Minor update: I am now running three times a day. Exact upload times
  depend on runtime which is largely a factor of dev server speed.
  Errors points are definitely going down. Many thanks for David Groom
  for both hosting the visualization and for often fixing errors before
  I can get to them, even though I know when my runs finish.
 
  From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com]
  Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:55 PM
  To: 'osm-talk'
  Subject: [OSM-talk] Coastline generation resumed
 
  I have resumed my daily generation of coastline files. These are
  generated with the coastcheck program[1] from my jxapi database
  starting at 5 AM pacific time. They take 3-4 hours to generate and
  upload, depending on my internet speed at the time.
 
  The completed files are uploaded to
  http://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/coastlines/
 
  If opening these shapefiles in QGIS be sure to create a spatial index
  for tolerable performance.
 
  There is a visualization of errors at
  http://www.wightpaths.co.uk/coast/
 
  Many of the errors appear to be short errors between ways that became
  disconnected. More complicated errors are often best fixed by
  deleting the bad coastline and retracing.
 
  [1]: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/coastcheck/
 
 
 
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[OSM-talk] Private OpenStreet's Strategy

2012-08-03 Thread Frans Thamura
hi all

all of you know that we host the private openstreetmap here under
Indonesia Internet Exchange, and  good news it, Australia, Canada, and
several country try to implement this model, because that is not good
a hoop between server must go to USA. China also agresif lobby a ISPs
here that have big traffic to link direct between Indoensia - China.
by pass the USA internet network.

these benefit both us to access both server faster, without have to
ping pong to USA backbone.

yes, IIX just awared as the best backbone in the world..this is pure
US$ 0 free community internet backbone development, smiliar with OSM
model, but for infrastructure.

now to access our private openstreetmap (osmosa.net), faster for
several city, esp in java island.

and now also the IIX foundr (Johar Alam) develop IIX to Sulawesi
Island and another 8 area all over Indonesia from Sumatera to West
Indonesia.

our plan to implement as much as possible OSM integration in our
openstreetmap server called osmosa.net

i have several question.

1. need your feedback regarding several extension on OSM outside
OSM.org, and is it good bring all to the local OSM (osmosa.net)... we
implemented like tracking, routing etc..

2. i found that the tile for local country growing, and yes, there are
several access from outside country (so we decided to implement global
tiles), and shocked the hard disk eaten a lot, we need more space..
but we still not find a business model.. we use our programming skill
to get revenue from integrate with openstreet with our apps to buy
infrastructure.. anyone have experience with this? HOT team?

3. we found regenerate the planet data to our server consume time, and
we cant make the data in our osmosa as uptodate as osm, and need
almost 2 week for 1 time planet regenerating, anyone can help?

4. integration with osm is new topic, how to get link with all of
them? esp we know, developer using different tech, python, java, etc..
how to communicate with them?



regards


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[OSM-talk] OSRM

2012-08-03 Thread James Mast




Does anybody know how to get in contact with the person who runs it?  I've 
found some routing bugs that aren't OSM data bugs (I've double checked the area 
it's happening in more than once to make sure).   It seems like his server 
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSRM

2012-08-03 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:46 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Does anybody know how to get in contact with the person who runs it?  I've
 found some routing bugs that aren't OSM data bugs (I've double checked the
 area it's happening in more than once to make sure).   It seems like his
 server never imported the road(s) properly because they haven't been edited
 in over 2 months.

Get on IRC and ping DennisL

But right now his nick is set to DennisL_vacation so there may not
be an immediate response :)

If it is a software bug, there is also the issue tracker on github:
https://github.com/DennisOSRM/Project-OSRM

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSRM

2012-08-03 Thread Martijn van Exel
He's on IRC as DennisL (although his handle is currently DennisL_Vacation).
Or try github: https://github.com/DennisOSRM

Martijn

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:46 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Does anybody know how to get in contact with the person who runs it?  I've
 found some routing bugs that aren't OSM data bugs (I've double checked the
 area it's happening in more than once to make sure).   It seems like his
 server never imported the road(s) properly because they haven't been edited
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 Thanks.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Vandalisme in openstreetmap?

2012-08-03 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Precies.

Vaag kan ik me herinneren dat we er wel eens met AND over gesproken hebben
en dat het een kwestie was van voldoende gedetailleerd zijn voor hun doeleinden,
namelijk routering. Zonder referentie materiaal of controle ter plekke
zou je dit
ook nooit opmerken.

Groet,
Floris

2012/8/2 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl:
 Dat is niet kapot gegaan tijdens de import, maar gewoon de kwaliteit van
 de brondata.

 On 08/02/2012 07:12 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote:
 Als dit een foutje is van tijdens de import.
 Kan daar dan geen correctieprogramma voor geschreven worden?

 Mvrgr
 Robert Elsenaar

 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Edwin Wisse
 Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:27 AM
 To: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Vandalisme in openstreetmap?


 Blij te horen dat het alleen maar een probleem met geimporteerde data
 is. Ik ga maar eens een avond straten rechttrekken.

 Groeten,
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Vandalisme in openstreetmap?

2012-08-03 Thread Maarten Deen

On 2012-08-03 10:37, Floris Looijesteijn wrote:

Precies.

Vaag kan ik me herinneren dat we er wel eens met AND over gesproken 
hebben
en dat het een kwestie was van voldoende gedetailleerd zijn voor hun 
doeleinden,
namelijk routering. Zonder referentie materiaal of controle ter 
plekke

zou je dit ook nooit opmerken.


Is een valide argument. Het zou ook best eens leuk zijn om de kaart te 
zien als grafenkaart. Dus alleen de nodes op de knooppunten behouden en 
de rest verwijderen.


Maarten


2012/8/2 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl:
Dat is niet kapot gegaan tijdens de import, maar gewoon de kwaliteit 
van

de brondata.

On 08/02/2012 07:12 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote:

Als dit een foutje is van tijdens de import.
Kan daar dan geen correctieprogramma voor geschreven worden?

Mvrgr
Robert Elsenaar

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Edwin Wisse
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:27 AM
To: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Vandalisme in openstreetmap?


Blij te horen dat het alleen maar een probleem met geimporteerde 
data

is. Ik ga maar eens een avond straten rechttrekken.

Groeten,
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[OSM-talk-nl] openkvk bedrijfsnamen / geolocaties bulkimporteren?

2012-08-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
Dit weekend zal er weer een update van openkvk plaatsvinden. Al eerder 
hebben we veel adressen kunnen koppelen met de BAG. Daarmee zijn 
geolocaties eenvoudig te onttrekken. Zou er belangstelling zijn om 
automatisch een PoI import te doen met data uit openkvk, waar beschikbaar 
inclusief amenity?


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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openkvk bedrijfsnamen / geolocaties bulkimporteren?

2012-08-03 Thread Frank Steggink

Quoting Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de:


Dit weekend zal er weer een update van openkvk plaatsvinden. Al eerder
hebben we veel adressen kunnen koppelen met de BAG. Daarmee zijn
geolocaties eenvoudig te onttrekken. Zou er belangstelling zijn om
automatisch een PoI import te doen met data uit openkvk, waar
beschikbaar inclusief amenity?

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Automatisch importeren lijkt me sowieso niet wenselijk, onder meer  
vanwege het risico op duplicates.


Wat je beter zou kunnen doen is OSM-files beschikbaar stellen met deze  
amenities, uitgesplitst naar 4-cijferig postcodegebied. Dan kunnen  
deze handmatig gemerged worden met de al aanwezige info. Dit gaat jouw  
wel lukken :) Hiervoor heb ik wel belangstelling.


Ik denk dat het verstandig is om eerst de mapping van OpenKVK naar OSM  
apart te bespreken. Welk voorstel heb je hiervoor klaarliggen?


Groeten,

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openkvk bedrijfsnamen / geolocaties bulkimporteren?

2012-08-03 Thread Peter van Wee
\ik geloof dat dit mijn eerste post op Talk-nl is dus even kijken of het
goed gaat.
Zoals je Stefan weet ben ik daar ook al eens mee bezig geweest. Als het
automatisch kan dan graag. Ik ben liever lui dan moe maar vrees net als
Frank dat dit lastig wordt. Ik heb ooit een concept gemaakt om mappers te
helpen deze data in OSM te krijgen.

Dat heeft me best veel moeite gekost (ben geen ICT-er) maar het idee
spreekt me nog steeds aan.
Zie hieronder voorbeeld van kaart met een aantal POI. Let niet er even niet
op of alles juist is.. het gaat meer om het concept.

http://home.xmsnet.nl/peewee/poi.html
Klik op de POI en je ziet een paar opties.

Is dat iets dan anderen op OSM-talk ms kunnen verbeteren? Als ik me goed
herinner zou Stefan misschien nog eens een poging wagen zo'n dergelijk
kaartje te maken. Misschien per catergorie POI omdat het anders wel erg vol
wordt.

Misschien ook een onderwerp voor tijdens een OSM borrel in Utrecht?



Op 3 augustus 2012 14:56 schreef Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org het
volgende:

 Quoting Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de:

  Dit weekend zal er weer een update van openkvk plaatsvinden. Al eerder
 hebben we veel adressen kunnen koppelen met de BAG. Daarmee zijn
 geolocaties eenvoudig te onttrekken. Zou er belangstelling zijn om
 automatisch een PoI import te doen met data uit openkvk, waar
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 het risico op duplicates.

 Wat je beter zou kunnen doen is OSM-files beschikbaar stellen met deze
 amenities, uitgesplitst naar 4-cijferig postcodegebied. Dan kunnen deze
 handmatig gemerged worden met de al aanwezige info. Dit gaat jouw wel
 lukken :) Hiervoor heb ik wel belangstelling.

 Ik denk dat het verstandig is om eerst de mapping van OpenKVK naar OSM
 apart te bespreken. Welk voorstel heb je hiervoor klaarliggen?

 Groeten,

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[OSM-talk-nl] De Redaction BOT is klaar: zijn de data nu ODBL of moet er nog meer gebeuren

2012-08-03 Thread Hugo Holscher
Volgens de blog van Harry Wood 
(http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/07/26/automated-redactions-complete/) is de 
bot klaar en zijn alle data die niet onder ODBL vallen verwijderd. 

Betekent dat nu dat we over zijn op een nieuwe licentie? In dat geval dan zou 
ik wel verwachten dat de relevante web pagina’s en Copyright vermeldingen ofwel 
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openkvk bedrijfsnamen / geolocaties bulkimporteren?

2012-08-03 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Voor een dergelijke osm file heb ik ook meer dan belangstelling. Voor de mergel 
activiteiten zou eigenlijk een mooie functie in JOSM moeten zijn. 



Met vriendelijke groeten 
Robert Elsenaar

Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org schreef:

Quoting Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de:

 Dit weekend zal er weer een update van openkvk plaatsvinden. Al eerder
 hebben we veel adressen kunnen koppelen met de BAG. Daarmee zijn
 geolocaties eenvoudig te onttrekken. Zou er belangstelling zijn om
 automatisch een PoI import te doen met data uit openkvk, waar
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Automatisch importeren lijkt me sowieso niet wenselijk, onder meer  
vanwege het risico op duplicates.

Wat je beter zou kunnen doen is OSM-files beschikbaar stellen met deze  
amenities, uitgesplitst naar 4-cijferig postcodegebied. Dan kunnen  
deze handmatig gemerged worden met de al aanwezige info. Dit gaat jouw  
wel lukken :) Hiervoor heb ik wel belangstelling.

Ik denk dat het verstandig is om eerst de mapping van OpenKVK naar OSM  
apart te bespreken. Welk voorstel heb je hiervoor klaarliggen?

Groeten,

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] De Redaction BOT is klaar: zijn de data nu ODBL of moet er nog meer gebeuren

2012-08-03 Thread Martijn van Exel
Het staat er allemaal in:

'The data now in the live OpenStreetMap database is largely in a state
where it can be declared ODbL licensed, however the license hasn’t
changed yet. We will be posting a further update when this is
imminent.'

Henk weet misschien meer over de status.

2012/8/3 Hugo Holscher hugoholsc...@gmail.com

 Volgens de blog van Harry Wood 
 (http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/07/26/automated-redactions-complete/) is 
 de bot klaar en zijn alle data die niet onder ODBL vallen verwijderd.

 Betekent dat nu dat we over zijn op een nieuwe licentie? In dat geval dan zou 
 ik wel verwachten dat de relevante web pagina’s en Copyright vermeldingen 
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Re: [talk-au] Brisbane bus stop density

2012-08-03 Thread Steve Bennett
You can see them pretty clearly on StreetView. Looks like each of
those clusters is one real bus stop - not necessarily on both sides of
the road.

Steve

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 I see a cluster of bus stops in an area that looks unusual.  Would a
 Brisbane local have a look when they get a chance?  Not an emergency,
 obviously.  They've been there since 2009.

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[talk-au] Sydney GeoRabble OSM Talk

2012-08-03 Thread Andrew Harvey
I'm scheduled to give an OSM themed talk at the Sydney GeoRabble.

http://georabble.org/2012/08/02/first-speakers-announced-for-georabble-sydney-5/

Despite using OSM in the name, my talk will apply to generic *osm.org
instances.

I'm told there is free Pizza for those that attend.



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[Talk-br] Vale do Aço no mapa

2012-08-03 Thread vitor
Oi pessoal,

Recebi contato de Rodrigo e Ana, duas pessoas da região do Vale do Aço em
Minas, sobre uma possível importação. Conversamos um pouco mais, e a Ana me
informou que o mapa da região se alterou muito recentemente e por isso
querem fazer importações.

Investiguei um pouco, e, pelo que parece, a alterações aconteceram por
causa da mudança de licença. Foi uma mudança considerável:

Antes:

http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=-19.482129lng=-42.545242zoom=13styleId=1opened_tab=0

Depois:

http://osm.org/go/PBKa4xx--

Você conseguem imaginar uma maneira de tentar reverter esta alteração? Eu
imagino (espero) que os mapeadores originais não ficaram sabendo da mudança
de licença, e se este for o caso e se eles aceitarem a nova licença,
podemos resgatar estes dados.

Eu tentei buscar informações sobre estes editores, mas parece que as
alterações antigas foram escondidas.

Vitor George
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM-basierte Verkehrskarte beim Bayerischern Rundfunk

2012-08-03 Thread Andreas Hubel
Unter 
http://www.br.de/themen/aktuell/inhalt/verkehr/staukarte-hintergrundinfos100.html
 gibts auch noch ein paar Hintergrundinfos dazu.

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[Talk-de] Freitickets für Campus Party Europe zu gewinnen

2012-08-03 Thread Kolossos

Hallo,
vielleicht will ja kurzfristig jemand hingehen und an OSM werkeln und 
darüber diskutieren:

http://blog.wikimedia.de/2012/08/02/tickets-fur-die-campus-party-europe-zu-gewinnen/

Das ganze wird vom 21. bis 26. August auf dem Gelände des ehemaligen 
Berliner Flughafens Tempelhof stattfinden. Ich finde das 
Veranstaltungskonzept spannend um freie Software/Technik/Wissen voran zu 
bringen.


Man wird allerdings auch gute Nerven für die 6 Tage a 24 Stunden brauchen.

Grüße Tim


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Re: [Talk-in] Fwd: [Ilugc] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth Gonsalvas)

2012-08-03 Thread Pradeep Varadaraja Banavara
He was one amazing guy, with lots of energy and enthusiasm. His experiments
with GPS devices in spectacles cases were just out of the box.

Sad.

RIP.


On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote:

 I met Kenneth first when I came to attend the Freemap India workshops in
 2008.
 It was with him that I realized what foss was about.
 He changed my life.

 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan logic.li...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Sad. RIP

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 From: JAGANADH G jagana...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM
 Subject: [Ilugc] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth Gonsalvas)
 To: ILUG-C il...@ae.iitm.ac.in, Bangalore Python Users Group - India 
 bangpyp...@python.org, Mailing list for the PyCon India conference 
 inpy...@python.org, ilug...@googlegroups.com


 Hi All,

 Just now I got a message that our dear KG (Kenneth Gonsalvas) passed away.
 He was admitted in hospital due to Asthma attack and passed away today
 morning.
 Cremation will be held at ooty on 4th Aug 2012.

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Re: [Talk-in] Fwd: [Ilugc] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth Gonsalves)

2012-08-03 Thread Sanjay Bhangar
RIP

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[Talk-in] Kenneth Gonsalvas a short bio

2012-08-03 Thread JAGANADH G
Kenneth Gonsalvas (KG / lawgon) passed away on 3rd Aug 2012. He was leading
light, mentor, evangelist and practitioner of Free and Open Source
Software. He was a geek up to his last moments. His demise is a great loss
to FOSS Community in India. May his soul rest in peace.

A short bio of Kenneth Gonsalvas (Prepared by KG only)

Although he has no formal training in the IT field, Kenneth Gonsalves has
been programming since 1986, starting with Turbo Pascal, then moving to
Perl and finally to Python in 2003. Since then he has focused on Python in
general and the Django web frame work in particular. He is an open source
enthusiast and has spoken and written on open source right from 1995 when
he was first introduced to it. He has conducted over 50 seminars and
workshops in python and Django. He was the founder president of the Indian
Python Software Society and a member of the team that has organised the
highly successful Indian python conferences from 2009 to 2011. He is now
based in Ooty where he writes and consults on open source. He also conducts
a job oriented course in python and django. His other main interest is golf
and he holds an international certification as a golf referee and has
refereed several national level golf tournaments. He writes a regular
column called 'Foss is fun' for the LFY monthly. Most of his code
contributions are here: http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/;

He was a good mentor and friend to many of us.

Some of his contributions, writing and rambling can be found

[1]http://lawgon.livejournal.com/
[2] http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/
[3]http://search.cpan.org/~lawgon/
[4]http://www.linuxforu.com/author/kenneth-gonsalves/
[5]https://people.djangoproject.com/lawgon/
[6]http://in.linkedin.com/pub/kenneth-gonsalves/4/565/10b


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Re: [Talk-in] Fwd: [Ilugc] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth Gonsalves)

2012-08-03 Thread Subhodip Biswas
Very unexpected, His presence will always be remembered.
RIP Lawgon


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Re: [Talk-it] Service usato per fare inversione

2012-08-03 Thread Maurizio Daniele
Il 03 agosto 2012 04:40, EdoardoT tona.edoa...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Ho provato anch'io a usare OSMR per provare degli incroci e subito sono
 incappato in una cosa strana... http://map.project-osrm.org/12L
 In pratica per uscire dall'incrocio imbocca la rampa sbagliata (quella per
 andare a sud anziche' a nord) costringendo l'auto a una curva a gomito
 semi-illegale...


Mancano le relazioni di turn restriction[1], ed essendo la rampa
sinistra un tutt'uno con il pezzo precedente, lui ti fa prendere
quella (per lui è una svolta in meno) visto che è indifferente.

Si dovrebbe:
1) separare la rampa dal resto della way al bivio
2) spezzare la primary nei nodi di incrocio
3) inserire le relazioni di obbligo di svolta a dx (rampa a dx) e sx
(rampa a sx)
4) idem con le rampe di uscita dalla primary

 Come si fa ad indicare che non si può attraversare la mezzeria di una
 strada (doppia linea continua se ricordo bene) ?
 Sarebbe la soluzione almeno di questi due problemi

c'é la relazione no_u_turn, ma non credo sia un gran che usata.

Però nel caso in esame una cosa del genere va bene se NESSUNO è
autorizzato a girare a DX dalla principale nella service e/o,
viceversa, nessuno dalla service può girare a sx, ma solo a dx.
In quel caso tanto vale mettere delle normali turn restriction
(divieto di svolta a dx dalla service) e il routing va a posto.


[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turn_restrictions


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Re: [Talk-it] Service usato per fare inversione

2012-08-03 Thread Francesco Cherubini
Come si fa a segnalare un bug allo sviluppatore ? Anche io ne ho
trovato uno molto strano e vorrei farglielo presente.

On 03/08/2012, Maurizio Daniele maurizio.dani...@gmail.com wrote:
 Il 03 agosto 2012 04:40, EdoardoT tona.edoa...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Ho provato anch'io a usare OSMR per provare degli incroci e subito sono
 incappato in una cosa strana... http://map.project-osrm.org/12L
 In pratica per uscire dall'incrocio imbocca la rampa sbagliata (quella
 per
 andare a sud anziche' a nord) costringendo l'auto a una curva a gomito
 semi-illegale...


 Mancano le relazioni di turn restriction[1], ed essendo la rampa
 sinistra un tutt'uno con il pezzo precedente, lui ti fa prendere
 quella (per lui è una svolta in meno) visto che è indifferente.

 Si dovrebbe:
 1) separare la rampa dal resto della way al bivio
 2) spezzare la primary nei nodi di incrocio
 3) inserire le relazioni di obbligo di svolta a dx (rampa a dx) e sx
 (rampa a sx)
 4) idem con le rampe di uscita dalla primary

 Come si fa ad indicare che non si può attraversare la mezzeria di una
 strada (doppia linea continua se ricordo bene) ?
 Sarebbe la soluzione almeno di questi due problemi

 c'é la relazione no_u_turn, ma non credo sia un gran che usata.

 Però nel caso in esame una cosa del genere va bene se NESSUNO è
 autorizzato a girare a DX dalla principale nella service e/o,
 viceversa, nessuno dalla service può girare a sx, ma solo a dx.
 In quel caso tanto vale mettere delle normali turn restriction
 (divieto di svolta a dx dalla service) e il routing va a posto.


 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turn_restrictions


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Re: [Talk-it] Service usato per fare inversione

2012-08-03 Thread emmexx
Il 08/03/2012 12:25 PM, Francesco Cherubini scrisse:
 Come si fa a segnalare un bug allo sviluppatore ? Anche io ne ho
 trovato uno molto strano e vorrei farglielo presente.

https://github.com/DennisOSRM/Project-OSRM/issues

ciao
maxx

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[Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Conversione tra CRS diversi [risolto]

2012-08-03 Thread stefano.fracc...@libero.it
Ok risolto... era la stringa di proiezione. Per di più mi sono accorto solo 
adesso che avevo mandato una email con [risolto] a me stesso anziché a talk-
it ... no comment vi prego.:-P

Stefano


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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Conversione tra CRS diversi [risolto]

2012-08-03 Thread pierpiggi

Il 03/08/2012 15:24, stefano.fracc...@libero.it ha scritto:

Ok risolto... era la stringa di proiezione. Per di più mi sono accorto solo
adesso che avevo mandato una email con [risolto] a me stesso anziché a talk-
it ... no comment vi prego.:-P

Stefano



Bravo toso! :)
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Re: [Talk-it] Service usato per fare inversione

2012-08-03 Thread EdoardoT
Ok, non ho mai messo la relazione turn restriction in questo tipo di
svincolo ma in effetti e necessaria, faro' una revisione delle strade della
zona :)

Grazie!
*
*
*

Edoardo Tona*


Il giorno 03 agosto 2012 02:31, Maurizio Daniele maurizio.dani...@gmail.com
 ha scritto:

 Il 03 agosto 2012 04:40, EdoardoT tona.edoa...@gmail.com ha scritto:
  Ho provato anch'io a usare OSMR per provare degli incroci e subito sono
  incappato in una cosa strana... http://map.project-osrm.org/12L
  In pratica per uscire dall'incrocio imbocca la rampa sbagliata (quella
 per
  andare a sud anziche' a nord) costringendo l'auto a una curva a gomito
  semi-illegale...


 Mancano le relazioni di turn restriction[1], ed essendo la rampa
 sinistra un tutt'uno con il pezzo precedente, lui ti fa prendere
 quella (per lui è una svolta in meno) visto che è indifferente.

 Si dovrebbe:
 1) separare la rampa dal resto della way al bivio
 2) spezzare la primary nei nodi di incrocio
 3) inserire le relazioni di obbligo di svolta a dx (rampa a dx) e sx
 (rampa a sx)
 4) idem con le rampe di uscita dalla primary

  Come si fa ad indicare che non si può attraversare la mezzeria di una
  strada (doppia linea continua se ricordo bene) ?
  Sarebbe la soluzione almeno di questi due problemi

 c'é la relazione no_u_turn, ma non credo sia un gran che usata.

 Però nel caso in esame una cosa del genere va bene se NESSUNO è
 autorizzato a girare a DX dalla principale nella service e/o,
 viceversa, nessuno dalla service può girare a sx, ma solo a dx.
 In quel caso tanto vale mettere delle normali turn restriction
 (divieto di svolta a dx dalla service) e il routing va a posto.


 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turn_restrictions


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Re: [Talk-dk] En succeshistorie

2012-08-03 Thread Jens Winbladh
Super fedt

lægger du den ind på wikien under eksempler på brugen af OSM data:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Eksempler_p%C3%A5_brug_af_OSM_data

Hygge

Jens

Den 2. aug. 2012 18.34 skrev Esben Damgaard maill...@hvemder.dk:

 Hej mappere,

 Jeg vil lige fortælle en lille succeshistorie fra Odense.
 Da jeg for en del tid siden var med en bybus i Odense, lagde jeg mærke til
 at kortet de brugte på skærmene var identisk med det jeg har arbejdet så
 mange timer med: OpenStreetMap.
 Der var dog ingen kreditering, så jeg valgte at skrive en venlig mail med
 at jeg var glad for at de brugte OSM men at licensen kræver kreditering og
 hvordan det nemt kunne indsættes.
 Der gik lidt tid, men så fik jeg et svar. De vidste ikke at de brugte OSM,
 men havde kontaktet Thoreb (der laver det for dem) og de bekræftede at det
 var det og de ville få kreditering på ved næste opdatering.

 Vedhæftet har jeg et billede fra en bybus i Odense.

 Jeg er stolt.


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Re: [Talk-dk] En succeshistorie

2012-08-03 Thread Peter Brodersen
Sejt!

Må jeg poste billedet andetsteds, fx på Facebook?

- Peter Brodersen

2012/8/2 Esben Damgaard maill...@hvemder.dk:
 Hej mappere,

 Jeg vil lige fortælle en lille succeshistorie fra Odense.
 Da jeg for en del tid siden var med en bybus i Odense, lagde jeg mærke til
 at kortet de brugte på skærmene var identisk med det jeg har arbejdet så
 mange timer med: OpenStreetMap.
 Der var dog ingen kreditering, så jeg valgte at skrive en venlig mail med at
 jeg var glad for at de brugte OSM men at licensen kræver kreditering og
 hvordan det nemt kunne indsættes.
 Der gik lidt tid, men så fik jeg et svar. De vidste ikke at de brugte OSM,
 men havde kontaktet Thoreb (der laver det for dem) og de bekræftede at det
 var det og de ville få kreditering på ved næste opdatering.

 Vedhæftet har jeg et billede fra en bybus i Odense.

 Jeg er stolt.


 Hilsen
 Esben Damgaard


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Re: [Talk-dk] En succeshistorie

2012-08-03 Thread Esben Damgaard

Det skal jeg nok prøve at huske.

Den 03-08-2012 08:12, Jens Winbladh skrev:

Super fedt

lægger du den ind på wikien under eksempler på brugen af OSM data: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Eksempler_p%C3%A5_brug_af_OSM_data


Hygge

Jens

Den 2. aug. 2012 18.34 skrev Esben Damgaard maill...@hvemder.dk 
mailto:maill...@hvemder.dk:


Hej mappere,

Jeg vil lige fortælle en lille succeshistorie fra Odense.
Da jeg for en del tid siden var med en bybus i Odense, lagde jeg
mærke til at kortet de brugte på skærmene var identisk med det jeg
har arbejdet så mange timer med: OpenStreetMap.
Der var dog ingen kreditering, så jeg valgte at skrive en venlig
mail med at jeg var glad for at de brugte OSM men at licensen
kræver kreditering og hvordan det nemt kunne indsættes.
Der gik lidt tid, men så fik jeg et svar. De vidste ikke at de
brugte OSM, men havde kontaktet Thoreb (der laver det for dem) og
de bekræftede at det var det og de ville få kreditering på ved
næste opdatering.

Vedhæftet har jeg et billede fra en bybus i Odense.

Jeg er stolt.


Hilsen
Esben Damgaard


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Re: [Talk-dk] En succeshistorie

2012-08-03 Thread Esben Damgaard

Gør bare det.
Jeg frigiver den som CC BY-SA.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.da


Den 03-08-2012 16:05, Peter Brodersen skrev:

Sejt!

Må jeg poste billedet andetsteds, fx på Facebook?

- Peter Brodersen

2012/8/2 Esben Damgaard maill...@hvemder.dk:

Hej mappere,

Jeg vil lige fortælle en lille succeshistorie fra Odense.
Da jeg for en del tid siden var med en bybus i Odense, lagde jeg mærke til
at kortet de brugte på skærmene var identisk med det jeg har arbejdet så
mange timer med: OpenStreetMap.
Der var dog ingen kreditering, så jeg valgte at skrive en venlig mail med at
jeg var glad for at de brugte OSM men at licensen kræver kreditering og
hvordan det nemt kunne indsættes.
Der gik lidt tid, men så fik jeg et svar. De vidste ikke at de brugte OSM,
men havde kontaktet Thoreb (der laver det for dem) og de bekræftede at det
var det og de ville få kreditering på ved næste opdatering.

Vedhæftet har jeg et billede fra en bybus i Odense.

Jeg er stolt.


Hilsen
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Worcestershire Public Rights of Way - OGL

2012-08-03 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi All,

I am happy to confirm that I have received confirmation that the PRoW data
held at [1] is available under the OGL licence. This data is the digitised
Definitive Map, and is provided as a WMS map service. This can be viewed
online (through [1] or [2]), alternatively it can be opened in QGIS, or
similar. Direct imports into OSM are not advised as most of the paths are
already mapped. This data should therefore be used as a cross-reference and
for confirming path types.

Worcestershire have got one of the better GIS services and initial contact
with their GIS Programme Coordinator seemed positive.

Note: This follows the earlier approval to use the Definitive Statements
held by Worcestershire CC.

Regards,
Rob

[1] http://data.gov.uk/dataset/public-rights-of-way/
[2] http://gis.worcestershire.gov.uk/WccGISOnline/maps.aspx
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Postboxes

2012-08-03 Thread Stuart Harrison
Hi all,

Good to see those who came to the social in Coleshill last night. As I
mentioned, I've got the locations of all the postboxes and post offices in
the UK (taken from this FOI
requesthttp://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/postbox_data_in_central_collecti_2)
in Scraperwiki here:

https://scraperwiki.com/scrapers/uk_postboxes/

(Ignore what it says about the error, all the data is there). If you're not
familiar with Scraperwiki, you can query the data and get it back in a
variety of formats by clicking 'Explore with API'. It's basically SQL, so
if you know what you're doing with SQL, then you should be good.

If anyone wants any pointers, let me know. Will be interested to see what
people do with it!

Cheers

Stuart
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Postboxes

2012-08-03 Thread Andy Robinson
What licence is the data under?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Stuart Harrison [mailto:pezho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 August 2012 11:26
To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Postboxes

 

Hi all,

 

Good to see those who came to the social in Coleshill last night. As I
mentioned, I've got the locations of all the postboxes and post offices in
the UK (taken from this FOI request
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/postbox_data_in_central_collecti_2 )
in Scraperwiki here:

 

https://scraperwiki.com/scrapers/uk_postboxes/

 

(Ignore what it says about the error, all the data is there). If you're not
familiar with Scraperwiki, you can query the data and get it back in a
variety of formats by clicking 'Explore with API'. It's basically SQL, so if
you know what you're doing with SQL, then you should be good.

 

If anyone wants any pointers, let me know. Will be interested to see what
people do with it!

 

Cheers

 

Stuart

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Postboxes

2012-08-03 Thread Ed Loach
Looking at the FOI request:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/119687/response/296922/attach/
5/attachment.txt

 

Ed

 

From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 August 2012 11:37
To: 'Stuart Harrison'; talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Postboxes

 

What licence is the data under?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Stuart Harrison [mailto:pezho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 August 2012 11:26
To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Postboxes

 

Hi all,

 

Good to see those who came to the social in Coleshill last night. As
I mentioned, I've got the locations of all the postboxes and post
offices in the UK (taken from this FOI request
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/postbox_data_in_central_colle
cti_2 ) in Scraperwiki here:

 

https://scraperwiki.com/scrapers/uk_postboxes/

 

(Ignore what it says about the error, all the data is there). If
you're not familiar with Scraperwiki, you can query the data and get
it back in a variety of formats by clicking 'Explore with API'. It's
basically SQL, so if you know what you're doing with SQL, then you
should be good.

 

If anyone wants any pointers, let me know. Will be interested to see
what people do with it!

 

Cheers

 

Stuart

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Worcestershire Public Rights of Way - OGL

2012-08-03 Thread Big Fat Frog

Excellent, thanks a lot for that, very useful.

Jonathan

On 03/08/2012 11:09, Rob Nickerson wrote:


Hi All,

I am happy to confirm that I have received confirmation that the PRoW
data held at [1] is available under the OGL licence. This data is the
digitised Definitive Map, and is provided as a WMS map service. This can
be viewed online (through [1] or [2]), alternatively it can be opened in
QGIS, or similar. Direct imports into OSM are not advised as most of the
paths are already mapped. This data should therefore be used as a
cross-reference and for confirming path types.

Worcestershire have got one of the better GIS services and initial
contact with their GIS Programme Coordinator seemed positive.

Note: This follows the earlier approval to use the Definitive Statements
held by Worcestershire CC.

Regards,
Rob

[1] http://data.gov.uk/dataset/public-rights-of-way/
[2] http://gis.worcestershire.gov.uk/WccGISOnline/maps.aspx


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Postboxes

2012-08-03 Thread Alison Smith
Hi 
Sorry to miss the social meet last night hoping to be at next one.

I think it was at local gov camp recently someone mentioned that Royal Mail 
were documenting not only every post box but also the location of letterboxes 
on every house ...

With scraperwiki could link that to what postoffices have disabled access 
http://pola.directenquiries.com/defaultPOL.aspx although it is questionable 
about how accurate it is as saying for example the Birmingham branch says it 
has wheelchair access doesn't account for the gradient outsides such as the 
main one in Birmingham.
Birmingham Branch
1 Pinfold Street
Birmingham
B2 4AA

It says parking within 50 meters but no mention of uphill gradient that you 
then have to go up to top of Pinfold Street and round down Hill Street 
negociating a steep hill to get the wheelchair accessible entrance  in 
ironically named Hill Street (Pinfold Street has steep flight of steps into 
building)
cheers,
Alison

On 3 Aug 2012, at 11:37, Andy Robinson wrote:

What licence is the data under?
 
Cheers
Andy
 
From: Stuart Harrison [mailto:pezho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 August 2012 11:26
To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Postboxes

 
Hi all,
 
Good to see those who came to the social in Coleshill last night. As I 
mentioned, I've got the locations of all the postboxes and post offices in the 
UK (taken from this FOI request) in Scraperwiki here:
 
https://scraperwiki.com/scrapers/uk_postboxes/
 
(Ignore what it says about the error, all the data is there). If you're not 
familiar with Scraperwiki, you can query the data and get it back in a variety 
of formats by clicking 'Explore with API'. It's basically SQL, so if you know 
what you're doing with SQL, then you should be good.
 
If anyone wants any pointers, let me know. Will be interested to see what 
people do with it!
 
Cheers
 
Stuart
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Re: [Talk-se] trängselskatt

2012-08-03 Thread Anders Arnholm
Markus Lindholm skrev 2012-08-02 09:33:
 Varför inte börja med att kolla hur det är taggat i Stockholm? För
 konceptet är väl identiskt?

Andra städer att titta på är Oslo och London.

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Re: [Talk-se] Köpa en riktig GPS

2012-08-03 Thread Peter Svensson
Den stora fördelen med en liten smidig separat GPS-modul är att man kan placera 
den på ett bra ställe där förutsättningen för god mottagning finns.

Bra ställen som funkar för mig är:

Till fots: 
I hatten
På kepsen
Under mössan

Cykling:
På cykelhjälmen
På axelremmen till en ryggsäck.

Bil:
Längst fram inne i bilen alldeles under vindrutan.


I ryggsäcken, bröstfickan, jackfickan eller byxfickan fungerar det ej något 
vidare på pga. att signalerna är blir (från vissa satelliter) skuggade av egna 
kroppen...

Själv använder jag en Globalsat blåtands GPS med SIRF III chip. Har med 
programmet sirfdemo[1] stängt av funktionen track smoothing för ännu bättre 
repeterbarhet mer sann och mindre filtrerad data.

Mvh

[1]
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25575 Obs använd på egen 
risk!


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Skickat: den 2 augusti 2012 09:29
Till: Björn Lindahl
Kopia: Talk-se@openstreetmap.org
Ämne: Re: [Talk-se] Köpa en riktig GPS

  Hej,

 Även om det verkar vara en bra idé att köpa en handhållen gps på sikt 
 känner jag inte för att lägga ut de pengarna i dagsläget.

 Att köra en gps-logger med blåtand kopplad till mobilen känns mest 
 attraktivt just nu i och med att det går att använda den istället för 
 inbyggda enligt tipset på app av  Stefan Henrikson. Det känns faktiskt 
 som att vinsten med att köra helt handburen gps blir ganska liten 
 jämfört med att köra separat gps via bt till Smartphone som har bra 
 kartappar. Telefonen jag har (SGS3) har dessutom riktigt bra 
 batteritid så det är lugnt att använda inbyggda gps:en på den i tid och otid 
 också om man vill det.
[..]

Om jag ska passa på att vara lite motvalls så är min personliga erfarenhet inte 
att dedikerade GPSer fungerar bättre än sådana som är integrerade i telefoner. 
Jag har visserligen inte själv ägt någon av premium-modellerna, men de gånger 
jag haft kontakt med sådana har jag inte upplevt att jag fått bättre fixar 
eller spårloggar (däremot har det ibland funnits andra detaljer jag uppskattat 
och blivit imponerad av).

Blåtandsdosor har jag inte haft någon kontakt med, men i allmänhet tror jag att 
förutom de riktigt dåliga mottagare (som säkert finns, bara det att jag inte 
känner till någon) tror jag det är alldeles för många och komplexa faktorer som 
avgör hur bra fixar man får, så jag betecknar det i allt väsentligt som slump 
nuförtiden.

Vad jag däremot vet är att jag tycker två spårloggar är bättre än en.
Om du inte har köpt en dosa än så föreslår jag att du ser till att den du 
skaffar kan logga till internt minne (men gärna kan tömmas och hanteras av din 
telefon), så att du kan få ut två spårloggar från samma tur.

  /Pontus

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[Talk-lv] veel osm statistika

2012-08-03 Thread Rich

http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com

shis tas ir sameeraa interesanti (augshaa ir kategorijas un bultinjas 
pie grafikiem maina laika periodu). interesanti, ka shis domaa, ka 
latvijaa ir 7 daliibnieki tikai ;)

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[Talk-lv] latvija neietilpst vienaa garmin kartee

2012-08-03 Thread Rich
apsveicu - latvijas dati nupat ir kljuvushi pietiekami lieli, lai vairs 
neietilptu vienaa garmina kartes regjionaa ;)

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Re: [Talk-lv] latvija neietilpst vienaa garmin kartee

2012-08-03 Thread Jānis Ročāns
Man tas jau bija kādu laiku, splitoju divos reģionos. Var jau gadīties, ka
tas ir dēļ iekļauto objektu skaita.

2012/8/3 Rich ric...@nakts.net

 apsveicu - latvijas dati nupat ir kljuvushi pietiekami lieli, lai vairs
 neietilptu vienaa garmina kartes regjionaa ;)
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[Talk-ca] CFB Borden and Meaford

2012-08-03 Thread Harald Kliems
While browsing the map I noticed that the CFBs Borden and Meaford show
up on the standard Mapnik mak in very low zoom levels (z=6).

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.28lon=-80.06zoom=6layers=M

The reason appears to be that they're tagged as place=city. According
to the wiki this tag should be used [f]or the largest urban
settlement or settlements within the territory, normally including the
national, state and provincial capitals. Defined by charter or
official designation in some territories and as a matter of judgement
others. Should normally have a population of at least 100,000 people
and be larger than nearby place=towns. I suspect that both places
don't qualify for this.

Can someone with local knowledge please suggest the appropriate tag
for these two places?

 Harald.

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Re: [Talk-ca] CFB Borden and Meaford

2012-08-03 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote:
 While browsing the map I noticed that the CFBs Borden and Meaford show
 up on the standard Mapnik mak in very low zoom levels (z=6).

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.28lon=-80.06zoom=6layers=M

 The reason appears to be that they're tagged as place=city.

 That sounds wrong.

 landuse=military
 name=Canadian Forces Base Borden

 or similar would be correct and should provide no surprises for data
 consumers. :-)

 adding those to a perimeter, even if it is an imperfect perimeter,
 would be a good start.

I see that both of those have military areas already.  I've deleted
the errant city nodes and I'll send a note to the mapper who created
them.

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Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] SOTM US Portland - Call for participation

2012-08-03 Thread Bill Ricker

 Do you have a story or project to share at State Of The Map US,
 Portland Oct 13-14? Now is the time to submit your abstract!
 ...



 See you all in Portland!


One assumes you mean the new Portland Oregon not old Portland Maine.

(Is it too much to expect OSM'ers of all people to realize there are more
than one Portland USA? I've rather given up on normals and non-geo-geek
geeks, but mappers ...)


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Re: [Talk-cz] import budov

2012-08-03 Thread Jan Dudík
Postup  - rozdělit podle katastrů, velké katastry klidně ještě na pár
částí a ty pak postupně ručně importovat je určitě lepší, než hromadný
import. Když budou data někde k dispozici + stránka na wiki, za pár
měsíců uživatelé naimportují své okolí a pak se ukáže, co zbývá a
uvidí se, co s tím zbytkem.

JD

Dne 2. srpna 2012 20:14 Michal Pustějovský
michal.pustejov...@seznam.cz napsal(a):
 Dne 2.8.2012 13:19, jzvc napsal(a):

 Ja vam tady do toho lehce vstoupim - moje predstava, jak by to mohlo
 docela pekne fungovat = upravit soucasny tracer plugin, a to tak, ze
 nebude trasovat z bitmapy, ale veme vektor/body.

 = zdroj zi zobrazim jako podklad, a pokud klipnu do budovy, tak ji to
 bafne a vlozi do aktivniho layeru. Melo by to samo mit funkci merge =
 pokud chci slucovat, melo by jit nastavit zda poloha bude stavajici nebo
 ze zdroje + to drapne vsechny stavajici tagy + to samo prida IDcko ze
 zdroje a omarkuje pokud je poloha z OSM (aby se to v pripade zmeny ve
 zdroji nemenilo). Tohle by melo fungovat tak, ze klipnu (vyberu) dva
 objekty stejnyho typu a on je automaticky podle danych pravidel slouci.

 Zjistovani rozdilu = vemu objekty danyho typu v danym boxu a podivam se,
 zda mam v OSM vsechny objekty danyho typu s danym ID. Ty co tam nejsou
 vyrenderuju jako rozdil.
 Dale u tech co tam jsou overim, zda maji stejne souradnice (a pripadne
 dalsi parametry) jako ve zdroji (pokud ne = rozdil), pripadne zda sou
 oznaceny (= v RUIAN je blbost).
 Pokud to bude v podobe podkladu (trebas vrstva toho WMS generovanyho z
 RUIAN), tak se da velmi snadno a rychle najit kde co chybi.  Melo by to
 mit nejakou moznost zpetne prohlasit ze v RUIAN je blbost, a takovej
 objekt by se neresil, dokud nebude v RUIAN zmenen (pripadne by to mohla
 byt dalsi vrstva).

 Ad adresni body - me osobne se nelibi, protoze jak uz sem psal vejs,
 pokud ma budova definovany vchody, da se navigovat ke vchodu i z jiny
 ulice nez te, kde ma adresu. Pokud je tam bod, tak kazda navigace povede
 do ulice, kam ta adresa patri. Dovedu si to predstavit prave pro
 oznaceni mist, kde z nejakyho duvodu budova neni, neni tam digitalini
 km, ... protoze tam budovy neni moc jak vykreslit.

 V takovym pripade bych si asi doved predstavit, ze (v ramci upraveneho
 pluginu) vyberu trebas nejaky box a prohlasim ze do nej chci vlozit
 vsechny adresni body ze zdroje. S matchovanim to asi bude vselijaky, neb
 sem svyho casu podobny veci delal, uspesnost asi nepreleze 80 - 85%. Ale
 opet, lze renederovat nejaky rozdil, a postupne se to da dokupy. Hlavne
 musi byt nekde videt co kde chybi.

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 Dobrý nápad, jenže pokud budu chtít zmapovat budovy v celém městě/vesnici,
 kde zatím vůbec žádné nejsou, bude to stále ještě hodně pracné. Nebylo by
 pro tyto případy lepší provést tento import podobně jako import UIR-ZSJ?
 Pomocí skriptu by se vytvořil .osm soubor obsahující budovy z RÚIAN z daného
 katastru. Otevřel by se v JOSM jako nová vrstva. Tato vrstva by se porovnala
 s jinými zdroji a nesrovnalosti by se ručně opravily. Soubor by se uložil a
 dalším skriptem (který by doplnil source=ruian apod.) poslal do databáze
 OSM.
 O programování toho ale moc nevím, takže možná navrhuju něco, co není
 prakticky proveditelné.


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Re: [Talk-cz] import budov

2012-08-03 Thread hanoj
 Ooops, myšleno sedmikoeficientová (prostě těch 7 toWGS čísel), občas se mi to 
 plete.
*** ja myslim ze zaklade uvedenho textu je zrejme, ze chyba 20 metru
nemuze nastat. To je pak chyba nekde jinde.

h.
hanoj

 Druhy transformací
 podle přesnosti (WGS84/ERTS89-S-JTSK) 2D:

 *100-110 metrů na
 severozápad - základní sedmiprvková transformace
 bez transformačního
 klíče; nepoužívá se
 * 1 metr - základní navíc s parametry
 transformačního klíče
 towgs; viz níže globální transformační
 klíč pro ČR/SR
 * 0,1 metr - pomocí gridu (ČR); zvláštní
 článek

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Re: [Talk-cz] import budov

2012-08-03 Thread hanoj
 Postup  - rozdělit podle katastrů, velké katastry klidně ještě na pár
 částí a ty pak postupně ručně importovat je určitě lepší, než hromadný
 import.
*** napred rucne a pak import - zda se mi to jako komplikace pro
cloveka pracujiciho s importem navic. Uz tak dost je to slozite a
nevidim tam prinos toho jednotlivce. Uz z koordinace UIR-ADR je zrejme
ze samotna domluva je slozita:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_Adres_%C4%8CR


 Když budou data někde k dispozici + stránka na wiki, za pár
 měsíců uživatelé naimportují své okolí a pak se ukáže, co zbývá a
 uvidí se, co s tím zbytkem.
*** kolik si z tech 13 000 k.u. beres? ;)
Uzivatelske zpracovani UIR-ADR bylo po okresech a dosud neni kompletni...
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_Adres_%C4%8CR

ha
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Re: [Talk-cz] import budov

2012-08-03 Thread Jiri Klement
Ahoj,

ja jsem pro co nejvetsi automatizaci. Predstavoval bych si to jako
plugin do JOSM, ktery pro zadanou oblast zobrazi tri typy zmen:

1) trivialni zmeny - v ruian je neco navic nebo zmena u objektu z importu
2) podezrele zmeny - v ruian je zmena u objektu, ktery nekdo manualne upravil
3) potvrzene zmeny - ruian a osm se rozchazeji, ale nekdo uz oznacil
osm verzi jako spravnejsi.

Aplikace by mela mit moznost oznacit objekt z ruian jako neexistujici
- pripadne mi to jako mensi zlo, nez mit v osm node, ktery by pouze
rikal, ze tahle budova uz nestoji a v ruianu je to spatne.

Az by se to trosku vyzkouselo, tak by trivialni zmeny mohl delat bot
sam. Akorat bych tam nechal moznost oznacit oblast, o kterou se stara
primo nektery uzivatel. Tim by se zajistilo, ze do dobre zmapovanych a
kontrolovanych oblasti ruian nezavlece nejakou chybu, ktere by si
nikdo nevsimnul.

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2012/8/3 hanoj eha...@gmail.com:
 Postup  - rozdělit podle katastrů, velké katastry klidně ještě na pár
 částí a ty pak postupně ručně importovat je určitě lepší, než hromadný
 import.
 *** napred rucne a pak import - zda se mi to jako komplikace pro
 cloveka pracujiciho s importem navic. Uz tak dost je to slozite a
 nevidim tam prinos toho jednotlivce. Uz z koordinace UIR-ADR je zrejme
 ze samotna domluva je slozita:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_Adres_%C4%8CR


 Když budou data někde k dispozici + stránka na wiki, za pár
 měsíců uživatelé naimportují své okolí a pak se ukáže, co zbývá a
 uvidí se, co s tím zbytkem.
 *** kolik si z tech 13 000 k.u. beres? ;)
 Uzivatelske zpracovani UIR-ADR bylo po okresech a dosud neni kompletni...
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_Adres_%C4%8CR

 ha
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Happy birthday OSM party ?

2012-08-03 Thread teuxe
Salut Christian,
Pour répondre à l'hypothèse pas trop nombreux, on pourrait inscrire nos noms 
quelque part ?
Je ferai un effort pour être présent cette fois-ci, où que ça se passe (la 
dernière fois le boulot m'a retenu).

Teuxe

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Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Happy birthday OSM party ?

Si on n'est pas trop nombreux, ça vous dirait un barbecue dans mon jardin ?

Accès facile: RER A Le Parc de Saint-Maur

Ca changerai du plan bière + diner dans un bar parisien

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] CHRCH data logger longue autonomie

2012-08-03 Thread partir-en-vtt
Dans les appareils à piles, je recommande l'utilisation des piles
rechargeables nimh 2700. Avec ça et un etrex, vous devriez tenir longtemps.

J'ai un GPSMAP 62S et je tiens 10 à quinze heures selon la température. S'il
fait froid, pensez à prendre des piles lithium



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Happy birthday OSM party ?

2012-08-03 Thread Florian LAINEZ
je plussoie fortement !

Le 3 août 2012 00:56, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :

 Si on n'est pas trop nombreux, ça vous dirait un barbecue dans mon jardin ?

 Accès facile: RER A Le Parc de Saint-Maur

 Ca changerai du plan bière + diner dans un bar parisien

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Happy birthday OSM party ?

2012-08-03 Thread Marc SIBERT
Pas de problème, mais comme indiqué, ça mérite un petit sondage.
Et une liste de chose que l'on peut apporter afin de partager un peu les frais !

A+

Marc

Le 3 août 2012 00:56, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :
 Si on n'est pas trop nombreux, ça vous dirait un barbecue dans mon jardin ?

 Accès facile: RER A Le Parc de Saint-Maur

 Ca changerai du plan bière + diner dans un bar parisien

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Re : Re: CHRCH data logger longue autonomie

2012-08-03 Thread Florian LAINEZ
merci, j'ai jeté un coup d'oeil à ce modèle mais il ne convient pas.

J'ai vraiment besoin de pouvoir uploader mon trajet directement depuis un
cyber café.
Je ne pré-suppose pas la configuration de l'ordinateur et la seule solution
universelle est la clé usb ...
Et si je veux que ça soit rapide à uploader et à partager, le fichier gpx
est l'idéal.

Le 2 août 2012 19:37, f.dos.san...@free.fr a écrit :

 Le m241 fonctionnant a pile ca peut etre un bon choix.
 Sous linux j'utilise mtkbabel qui s'occupe des datalogger a base de
 chipset mtk.
 J'ai un iBlue747+, 24h d'autonomie mais c'est une batterie, peut etre
 qu'avec un chargeur solaire usb ...
 Le soucis pour un cyber cafe c'est que ce n'est pas une simple cle usb.
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 À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org
 Envoyé: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:47:49 +0200 (CEST)
 Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] CHRCH data logger longue autonomie

 Bonjour,

 J'utilise un m-241:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Holux_M-241

 Seul bémol pour le moment, je suis pas arrivé à faire fonctionner BT747
 sur ma machine (linux) pour exporter les traces. Ça vient peut être de
 moi et je n'ai pas cherché bien longtemps... Je lance l'appli Windows
 fournie dans une machine virtuelle.

 65$ en ce moment.
 Correspond à tes critères (sauf peut être le étanche à la pluie ;) )

 Bon voyage!

 Cedric


 Le 02/08/2012 15:35, Florian LAINEZ a écrit :
  Salut,
  Je pars en vacances en Amérique du sud et aimerai en profiter pour
  mapper le coin ^^.
  étant donné que je vais faire de le randonnée pendant plusieurs jours,
  je pense que la seule solution -question d'autonomie- est d'*acheter un
  petit data logger* pour synchroniser par la suite les photos que je
  prendrais.
  J'ai regardé tous les treads qui parlent du sujet sur la ML
  (notamment
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2011-June/033374.html),
  le comparatif sur le wiki
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Reviews, le forum de GPS
  passion http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=127 et
  maintenant je suis complètement perdu !
 
  Voici mon cahier des charges :
  - autonomie très élevée : au moins 10 heures, 20h ou plus serait l'idéal
  - alimentation obligatoirement avec piles (je passerai plusieurs jours
  sans prise électrique)
  - enregistrement de la date et l'heure pour synchroniser les photos
  - export au format GPX (existe-t-il des modèles où il n'y a qu'à
  copier-coller un .gpx ? Je veux le faire dans des cyber-cafés de l'autre
  coté du Monde donc il faut que ça soit aussi universel qu'une clé usb !)
  - robuste et étanche à la pluie
  - une précision de 10m suffirait
  - une mémoire adaptée pour tracer suffisamment de points (plusieurs
  dizaines de milliers)
  - budget grand max 200€, 100€ = mieux
 
  Et éventuellement en bonus :
  - un écran qui donne la position GPS (petit écran monochrome :
  l'autonomie est prioritaire)
  - possibilité de régler la fréquence d'enregistrement (un relevé
  seulement toutes les 30 sec me permettrait d'économiser de l'énergie)
  - pas de câble à trimbaler pour faire la synchro : si les données sont
  sur une carte SD, c'est top
 
  Voici les modèles sur lesquels je suis tombé mais aucun ne me satisfait
  pleinement :
  -
 http://www.gadgetselectroniques.com/Recepteur-GPS-DataLogger-cbGabaGsa.asp
 
  -
 http://www.opticienonline.com/bushnell-backtrack-d-tour.html?gclid=CIqg_5_UyLECFSsntAodbxsAOw
 
  - http://www.semsons.com/amaggpsdalos.html
  - http://www.semsons.com/wiwpeashdalo.html
  - sur les conseils
  
 http://www.starway.org/blogs/Photographie/2008/10/un-phototrackr-a-la-ceinture/
 
  d'un photographe : http://www.semsons.com/giphli.html
 
  Help !
  Merci d'avance pour vos conseils
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Re : Re: CHRCH data logger longue autonomie

2012-08-03 Thread Florian LAINEZ
Le 2 août 2012 18:00, THEVENON Julien julien_theve...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

 je pense que c est au cas ou tu aies besoin de transferer tes traces dans
 un cybercafe ou tu n as pas les droits ou le temps pour installer GPSbabel.

Tout à fait. Et je ne veux pas les retravailler plus tard : je veux les
partager directement.

Le 3 août 2012 09:55, partir-en-vtt ad...@partir-en-vtt.com a écrit :

 Dans les appareils à piles, je recommande l'utilisation des
 piles rechargeables nimh 2700. Avec ça et un etrex, vous devriez tenir
 longtemps.
 S'il fait froid, pensez à prendre des piles lithium

bien noté, je vais me pencher vers le lithium, merci du conseil.

Du coup le choix du GPS est bien plus ardu que prévu. Je me laisserai bien
tenter par le Garmin eTrex 20, vu qu'il a une bonne autonomie apparemment.
Mais je regarde encore les data-loggers. Que pensez-vous de ces modèles ?
- GiSTEQ PhotoTrackr Lite http://www.semsons.com/giphli.html
- Wintec WPL-1000LX Easy Showily http://www.semsons.com/wiwpeashdalo.html
Sinon je regarde aussi ces modèles ...
http://www.clubic.com/comparer-prix/gps/tracker,1536-245130/
Bref, je me sens pas vraiment plus avancé qu'au début :(
merci de votre aide

Le 3 août 2012 11:05, Florian LAINEZ winner...@free.fr a écrit :

 merci, j'ai jeté un coup d'oeil à ce modèle mais il ne convient pas.

 J'ai vraiment besoin de pouvoir uploader mon trajet directement depuis un
 cyber café.
 Je ne pré-suppose pas la configuration de l'ordinateur et la seule
 solution universelle est la clé usb ...
 Et si je veux que ça soit rapide à uploader et à partager, le fichier gpx
 est l'idéal.

 Le 2 août 2012 19:37, f.dos.san...@free.fr a écrit :

 Le m241 fonctionnant a pile ca peut etre un bon choix.
 Sous linux j'utilise mtkbabel qui s'occupe des datalogger a base de
 chipset mtk.
 J'ai un iBlue747+, 24h d'autonomie mais c'est une batterie, peut etre
 qu'avec un chargeur solaire usb ...
 Le soucis pour un cyber cafe c'est que ce n'est pas une simple cle usb.
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 Bonjour,

 J'utilise un m-241:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Holux_M-241

 Seul bémol pour le moment, je suis pas arrivé à faire fonctionner BT747
 sur ma machine (linux) pour exporter les traces. Ça vient peut être de
 moi et je n'ai pas cherché bien longtemps... Je lance l'appli Windows
 fournie dans une machine virtuelle.

 65$ en ce moment.
 Correspond à tes critères (sauf peut être le étanche à la pluie ;) )

 Bon voyage!

 Cedric


 Le 02/08/2012 15:35, Florian LAINEZ a écrit :
  Salut,
  Je pars en vacances en Amérique du sud et aimerai en profiter pour

  mapper le coin ^^.
  étant donné que je vais faire de le randonnée pendant plusieurs jours,
  je pense que la seule solution -question d'autonomie- est d'*acheter un
  petit data logger* pour synchroniser par la suite les photos que je

  prendrais.
  J'ai regardé tous les treads qui parlent du sujet sur la ML
  (notamment
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2011-June/033374.html),
  le comparatif sur le wiki
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Reviews, le forum de GPS
  passion http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=127 et

  maintenant je suis complètement perdu !
 
  Voici mon cahier des charges :
  - autonomie très élevée : au moins 10 heures, 20h ou plus serait l'idéal
  - alimentation obligatoirement avec piles (je passerai plusieurs jours
  sans prise électrique)
  - enregistrement de la date et l'heure pour synchroniser les photos
  - export au format GPX (existe-t-il des modèles où il n'y a qu'à
  copier-coller un .gpx ? Je veux le faire dans des cyber-cafés de l'autre
  coté du Monde donc il faut que ça soit aussi universel qu'une clé usb !)
  - robuste et étanche à la pluie
  - une précision de 10m suffirait
  - une mémoire adaptée pour tracer suffisamment de points (plusieurs
  dizaines de milliers)
  - budget grand max 200€, 100€ = mieux
 
  Et éventuellement en bonus :
  - un écran qui donne la position GPS (petit écran monochrome :
  l'autonomie est prioritaire)
  - possibilité de régler la fréquence d'enregistrement (un relevé
  seulement toutes les 30 sec me permettrait d'économiser de l'énergie)
  - pas de câble à trimbaler pour faire la synchro : si les données sont
  sur une carte SD, c'est top
 
  Voici les modèles sur lesquels je suis tombé mais aucun ne me satisfait
  pleinement :
  -
 http://www.gadgetselectroniques.com/Recepteur-GPS-DataLogger-cbGabaGsa.asp
 
  -
 http://www.opticienonline.com/bushnell-backtrack-d-tour.html?gclid=CIqg_5_UyLECFSsntAodbxsAOw
 
  - http://www.semsons.com/amaggpsdalos.html
  - http://www.semsons.com/wiwpeashdalo.html
  - sur les conseils
  
 http://www.starway.org/blogs/Photographie/2008/10/un-phototrackr-a-la-ceinture/
 

  d'un photographe : 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Re : Re: CHRCH data logger longue autonomie

2012-08-03 Thread Eric
Je ne crois pas avoir vu celui là dans les potentiels :

http://global.mobileaction.com/product/product_i-gotU_GT-600.jsp

Il a l'air d'avoir tous les criteres mais je n'ai vu si il sauvait les
fichiers en GPX ou en format propio. Je te laisse fouiller si jamais tu
l'avais pas dans ta liste

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Re : Re: CHRCH data logger longue autonomie

2012-08-03 Thread THEVENON Julien
 De : Florian LAINEZ winner...@free.fr

Question bete, est ce que tu as pense a regarder ici ?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Reviews

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[OSM-talk-fr] Re : Re: Re : Re: CHRCH data logger longue autonomie

2012-08-03 Thread f . dos . santos
Il semble avoir besoin d'un soft specifique pour le download :
https://launchpad.net/igotu2gpx/

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Envoyé: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:27:09 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Re : Re: CHRCH data logger longue autonomie

Je ne crois pas avoir vu celui là dans les potentiels :

http://global.mobileaction.com/product/product_i-gotU_GT-600.jsp

Il a l'air d'avoir tous les criteres mais je n'ai vu si il sauvait les
fichiers en GPX ou en format propio. Je te laisse fouiller si jamais tu
l'avais pas dans ta liste

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Panneaux de fin de limitation de vitesse: Comment les tagguer?

2012-08-03 Thread Tetsuo Shima
Bonjour,

Normalement il faut étiquetter le highway limité avec la clef
maxspeed http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maxspeed du moins la ou il
y a pas de limitation par défaut.

Cordialement.

2012/8/3 Victor Grousset tux...@gmail.com:
 Je n'ai pas trouvé sur le wiki, en anglais ou en français la manière de
 tagguer ces panneaux, je pense que je devrait leur mettre la valeur
 numérique de la limite par défaut, par exemple 50 en ville.
 Qu'en pensez vous?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Panneaux de fin de limitation de vitesse: Comment les tagguer?

2012-08-03 Thread Victor Grousset
On peut aussi mapper les panneaux au bord de la route, ici on voit comment
mapper le panneau de début de limitation de vitesse mais pas celui de fin.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France

Le 3 août 2012 18:05, Tetsuo Shima tets...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour,

 Normalement il faut étiquetter le highway limité avec la clef
 maxspeed http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maxspeed du moins la ou il
 y a pas de limitation par défaut.

 Cordialement.

 2012/8/3 Victor Grousset tux...@gmail.com:
  Je n'ai pas trouvé sur le wiki, en anglais ou en français la manière de
  tagguer ces panneaux, je pense que je devrait leur mettre la valeur
  numérique de la limite par défaut, par exemple 50 en ville.
  Qu'en pensez vous?
 
  tuxayo
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Panneaux de fin de limitation de vitesse: Comment les tagguer?

2012-08-03 Thread Christian Quest
Ce ne sont pas les panneaux qu'il faut mapper en tant que tel, mais
les portions de route où la limitation s'applique (comme on indique le
nom des rues sur les ways et pas là où il y a des plaques).

Donc couper le way en début et fin de limitation et mettre un tag
maxspeed sur la portion de way où la vitesse est limitée.

La partie après un panneau de fin de limitation se retrouve en limite
par défaut qu'il n'est pas indispensable de tagguer si cela correspond
à la valeur par défaut pour le type de highway en question:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Maxspeed#France
et que l'on retrouve dans cette relation defaults:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/934933

Pour ma part le seul cas où je met un maxspeed sur un noeud c'est pour
les ralentisseurs ponctuels.

Voir aussi: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maxspeed


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Panneaux de fin de limitation de vitesse: Comment les tagguer?

2012-08-03 Thread Éric Gillet
Mon ami Victor et moi cherchons à mapper les panneaux, en plus de la route.

2012/8/3 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr

 Ce ne sont pas les panneaux qu'il faut mapper en tant que tel, mais
 les portions de route où la limitation s'applique (comme on indique le
 nom des rues sur les ways et pas là où il y a des plaques).

 Donc couper le way en début et fin de limitation et mettre un tag
 maxspeed sur la portion de way où la vitesse est limitée.

 La partie après un panneau de fin de limitation se retrouve en limite
 par défaut qu'il n'est pas indispensable de tagguer si cela correspond
 à la valeur par défaut pour le type de highway en question:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Maxspeed#France
 et que l'on retrouve dans cette relation defaults:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/934933

 Pour ma part le seul cas où je met un maxspeed sur un noeud c'est pour
 les ralentisseurs ponctuels.

 Voir aussi: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maxspeed


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[OSM-talk-fr] Rép : Panneaux de fin de limitation de vitesse: Comment les tagguer?

2012-08-03 Thread Francois-Xavier Lamure Tardieu


Début du message réexpédié :

 De : Francois-Xavier Lamure Tardieu xapit...@yahoo.fr
 Date : 3 août 2012 19:25:43 HAEC
 À : tux...@gmail.com, talk-fr@openstreetmap.org
 Objet : Rép : [OSM-talk-fr] Panneaux de fin de limitation de vitesse: Comment 
 les tagguer?
 
 Tu peux regarder cette page : 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_the_United_Kingdom.
 Sinon je mets à coté de la voie les panneaux de signalisation en plus de des 
 attributs directement sur la voie, est-ce utile ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Panneaux de fin de limitation de vitesse: Comment les tagguer?

2012-08-03 Thread Matthias Dietrich
Le 3 août 2012 18:25, Victor Grousset tux...@gmail.com a écrit :

 On peut aussi mapper les panneaux au bord de la route, ici on voit comment
 mapper le panneau de début de limitation de vitesse mais pas celui de fin.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France



À moins d'avoir raté un passage, la page du wiki à laquelle tu fais
référence explique comment reporter *sur un way* la limite de vitesse, mais
ne propose pas de tag pour le panneau lui-même, et en toute logique elle ne
propose donc pas non plus de tag pour le panneau de fin de limitation.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Panneaux de fin de limitation de vitesse: Comment les tagguer?

2012-08-03 Thread Tetsuo Shima
C'est plutot par ici pour le panneau en eux meme
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign

2012/8/3 Matthias Dietrich eiger@gmail.com:

 Le 3 août 2012 18:25, Victor Grousset tux...@gmail.com a écrit :

 On peut aussi mapper les panneaux au bord de la route, ici on voit comment
 mapper le panneau de début de limitation de vitesse mais pas celui de fin.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France



 À moins d'avoir raté un passage, la page du wiki à laquelle tu fais
 référence explique comment reporter *sur un way* la limite de vitesse, mais
 ne propose pas de tag pour le panneau lui-même, et en toute logique elle ne
 propose donc pas non plus de tag pour le panneau de fin de limitation.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Re : Re: Re : Re: CHRCH data logger longue autonomie

2012-08-03 Thread Ab_fab
oui, ou alors il y a le GT-800 (que je possède), qui peut être utilisé avec
ce programme non officiel, u-gotme :
http://u-gotme.deepocean.net/

Il a plein de choses compatibles avec le cahier des charges de Florent ...
et d'autres qui ne le sont clairement pas.
Mais je l'aime bien ;-)

Le 3 août 2012 17:22, f.dos.san...@free.fr a écrit :

 Il semble avoir besoin d'un soft specifique pour le download :
 https://launchpad.net/igotu2gpx/

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 Je ne crois pas avoir vu celui là dans les potentiels :

 http://global.mobileaction.com/product/product_i-gotU_GT-600.jsp

 Il a l'air d'avoir tous les criteres mais je n'ai vu si il sauvait les
 fichiers en GPX ou en format propio. Je te laisse fouiller si jamais tu
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Panneaux de fin de limitation de vitesse: Comment les tagguer?

2012-08-03 Thread Victor Grousset
En effet, je me suis trompé de lien; voila celui qui parle des panneaux:

Sinon je viens de trouver cette page qui que pour une fin de limite il
faudrait tagger sur le panneaumaxspeed=default
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Speed_limit

Mais je vois dans tag info que en france c'est utilisé seulement 4 fois
(dont deux fois par Eric Gillet)
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.fr/keys/maxspeed#values


Le 3 août 2012 20:08, Tetsuo Shima tets...@gmail.com a écrit :

 C'est plutot par ici pour le panneau en eux meme
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign

 2012/8/3 Matthias Dietrich eiger@gmail.com:
 
  Le 3 août 2012 18:25, Victor Grousset tux...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
  On peut aussi mapper les panneaux au bord de la route, ici on voit
 comment
  mapper le panneau de début de limitation de vitesse mais pas celui de
 fin.
 
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Road_signs_in_France
 
 
 
  À moins d'avoir raté un passage, la page du wiki à laquelle tu fais
  référence explique comment reporter *sur un way* la limite de vitesse,
 mais
  ne propose pas de tag pour le panneau lui-même, et en toute logique elle
 ne
  propose donc pas non plus de tag pour le panneau de fin de limitation.
 
 
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[OSM-talk-fr] Réf.: Re: Happy birthday OSM party ?

2012-08-03 Thread sacha bogdanov


Grand jardin ? 



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Pas de problème, mais comme indiqué, ça mérite un petit sondage.
Et une liste de chose que l'on peut apporter afin de partager un peu les frais 
!

A+

Marc

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 Si on n'est pas trop nombreux, ça vous dirait un barbecue dans mon jardin ?

 Accès facile: RER A Le Parc de Saint-Maur

 Ca changerai du plan bière + diner dans un bar parisien

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[OSM-ja] 月間OSMJサマリー 2012/7月号(Vol.3)

2012-08-03 Thread Shu Higashi
主に日本でのOSMに関わるあらゆる動きをひと月分まとめてお知らせします。

―
【コミュニティ】
―
◆7/5 ビルの高さの測り方(3Dマッピング用)
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vpid=sitessrcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxoYXlhc2hpeXV1fGd4OmQzN2E1YTBjNTIwNTJmZg
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-July/006511.html

◆7/5 トータルステーションによる位置情報の取得について
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-July/006512.html

◆7/7 みんなで作る日田・中津被害状況マップ
https://hitanakatsu2012.crowdmap.com/main

◆7/8 Keep Right 日本語化のよびかけ
https://translations.launchpad.net/keepright/trunk/+pots/keepright/ja/+translate
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Keep_Right
http://keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=14lat=35.68051lon=139.76404

◆7/10 ライセンス改訂(非互換データ削除)の開始予告
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-July/006539.html

◆7/10 第3回OpenStreetMap勉強会 in JUSO
http://juso-coworking.com/news/event/1899.html

◆7/11 簡易POI登録サイトYAPIS
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-July/006548.html

◆7/13 みんなで作る竹田災害支援マップ
https://taketa2012.crowdmap.com/

◆7/14 OpenStreetMapインドアマッピング勉強会 in 西麻布
http://atnd.org/event/mapconcierge201207

◆7/14 OpenStreetMap ワークショップ in 名古屋 #2
http://atnd.org/events/30538

◆7/14 オープンソースカンファレンス2012 SendaiにOSM出展します!
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-July/006554.html
◆7/14 ライセンス切り替え進捗マップ
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-July/006562.html

◆7/22 横浜関内マッピングパーティー (ビル高さ計測マッピング)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Yokohama_mapping_party_20120722

◆7/22 リマッピング用タスクマネージャ
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-July/006587.html

◆7/25 Yahoo/Alps道路データのインポートについて
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-July/006601.html

◆7/25 OpenSeaMap in Japan日本の灯台データ整備にご協力を!
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-July/006602.html

◆7/26 オルソ画像サーバ停止
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2012-July/006603.html

◆7/27 OpenStreetMap セミナー(プラットフォーム研究会セミナー)
http://www.facebook.com/events/262734297175063/

◆7/28 OpenStreetMap ワークショップ in 名古屋 #3
http://atnd.org/events/30915
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【調査・研究】
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【OSMF/OSMFJからのお知らせ】
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◆7/26 自動改訂が完了しました
http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/07/26/%E8%87%AA%E5%8B%95%E6%94%B9%E8%A8%82%E3%81%8C%E5%AE%8C%E4%BA%86%E3%81%97%E3%81%BE%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F/?lang=ja

◆7/29 オープンデータのライセンス:ODbLの背景と内容 - 勉強会開催のお知らせ
http://www.osmf.jp/news/odbl_study

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【イベント案内】
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◆8/3(金)・4(土)オープンソースカンファレンス2012 Kansai@Kyoto
OSMより参加予定
http://www.ospn.jp/osc2012-kyoto/

◆8/11(土) OSM北陸勉強会
福井での開催となります
http://atnd.org/events/31239

◆8/11(土) 日本Androidの会 浜松支部 第16回ミーティング
午後にOSMの紹介、ハンズオンが予定されています
http://atnd.org/events/31129


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【報道・ブログ・その他】
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◆7/2 OpenStreetMap ワークショップ in 名古屋 #1 CENTRAL MIXER
http://ounziw.com/2012/07/02/openstreetmap-central-mixer/

◆7/2 OpenStreetMap用Androidクライアント
http://d.ma-aya.to/?date=20120702

◆OpenStreetMapをパワフルに使いこなす- Yahoo! Open Local Platform
http://olp.yahoo.co.jp/map2

◆7/4 FOSS4Gとお隣さん
http://www.slideshare.net/sayno/foss4gopenstreetmap

◆7/7 「information=guidepost」タグ日本語ページ
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Tag:information%3Dguidepost

◆7/12 オープンストリートマップの活動とわが国における整備状況
http://www.slideshare.net/mapconcierge/20120712-openstreetmap

◆7/23 Titanium mobileでgoogle mapの代わりにopen mapを使えますか?
http://qa.atmarkit.co.jp/q/2295

◆7/23 OpenStreetMapワークショップ in 名古屋 の資料
http://tomg3x.wordpress.com/2012/07/23/openstreetmap%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%83%E3%83%97-in-%E5%90%8D%E5%8F%A4%E5%B1%8B-%E3%81%AE%E8%B3%87%E6%96%99/

◆7/23 OpenStreetMapキャンパスマップコンテスト
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:CampusMap_Contest_2012

◆7/25 OpenStreetMapの品質チェックサイトを探してみた
https://tomg3x.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/openstreetmap%E3%81%AE%E5%93%81%E8%B3%AA%E3%83%81%E3%82%A7%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%83%88%E3%82%92%E6%8E%A2%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%81%BF%E3%81%9F/

◆7/26 OpenStreetMap
http://ajiblog.sblo.jp/article/57237897.html

◆7/27 OpenStreetMap
http://jmsnews.blog38.fc2.com/blog-entry-34.html

◆7/27 OpenStreetMapセミナー 名古屋(あいちベンチャーハウス)まとめ
http://jmsnews.blog38.fc2.com/blog-category-9.html

◆7/28 OpenStreetMapワークショップ in 名古屋#3  OpenStreetMapセミナーの資料
http://tomg3x.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/openstreetmap%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%83%E3%83%97-in-%E5%90%8D%E5%8F%A4%E5%B1%8B3-openstreetmap%E3%82%BB%E3%83%9F%E3%83%8A%E3%83%BC%E3%81%AE%E8%B3%87%E6%96%99/
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日本でのOSMに関わるニュースなどを募集しています。
osmj.news(at)osmf.jp
までお知らせください。

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[Talk-GB] Worcestershire Public Rights of Way - OGL

2012-08-03 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi All,

I am happy to confirm that I have received confirmation that the PRoW data
held at [1] is available under the OGL licence. This data is the digitised
Definitive Map, and is provided as a WMS map service. This can be viewed
online (through [1] or [2]), alternatively it can be opened in QGIS, or
similar. Direct imports into OSM are not advised as most of the paths are
already mapped. This data should therefore be used as a cross-reference and
for confirming path types.

Worcestershire have got one of the better GIS services and initial contact
with their GIS Programme Coordinator seemed positive.

Note: This follows the earlier approval to use the Definitive Statements
held by Worcestershire CC.

Regards,
Rob

[1] http://data.gov.uk/dataset/public-rights-of-way/
[2] http://gis.worcestershire.gov.uk/WccGISOnline/maps.aspx
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[Talk-GB] Use of place=town

2012-08-03 Thread Richard Mann
Is it me, or have people been a bit over-enthusiastic with the use of
place=town in parts of north London? I'd have thought town should be more
restricted to definite centres, with place=suburb quite sufficient for the
rest?

Market towns used to have a rule that they only got a charter if they were
6 miles from the nearest existing town, and that sort of spacing (or close
to it) would have a fair degree of logic. A selective cull may be in order.

Richard
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Re: [Talk-GB] Use of place=town

2012-08-03 Thread Richard Mann
Sorry; meant to include a permalink:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.58lon=-0.122zoom=11layers=M

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Richard Mann 
richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it me, or have people been a bit over-enthusiastic with the use of
 place=town in parts of north London? I'd have thought town should be more
 restricted to definite centres, with place=suburb quite sufficient for the
 rest?

 Market towns used to have a rule that they only got a charter if they were
 6 miles from the nearest existing town, and that sort of spacing (or close
 to it) would have a fair degree of logic. A selective cull may be in order.

 Richard

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Re: [Talk-us] Tags for Emergency Interstate

2012-08-03 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_route#Emergency_detour_routes

Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detour#Permanent_detours

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US Portland - Call for participation

2012-08-03 Thread Bill Ricker
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 That's pretty pedantic, when most people assume Oregon by default given
 that it's the largest city on the planet with that name.


Damn straight it's pedantic. And parochial. They're both proud traditions
here in old New England.

I accept that remembering that Portland might be ambiguous to some
ignorable percentage of the population that will
be disappointed and embarrassed at being fooled once again when it's of
course not our Portland that some wonderful event is coming to is just too
much to expect from the cool kids spinning off other events in hometown of
OSCON.

But I think it's fair to expect it of self-appointed geo-encyclopedists.

But I was a bit harsh to complain on it to Martijn, who being a recent
transplant may reasonably have assumed the big Portland USA was named for
Portland UK. Sorry Martijn. (Good luck with the Springfields as even the
Simpsons can't keep them straight.)


-- 
Bill
@n1vux bill.n1...@gmail.com
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US Portland - Call for participation

2012-08-03 Thread Alexander Jones
Martijn van Exel wrote:

 
 Thanks for clarifying that, Bill. Yes, it is Portland, Ore. After a
 year in the US, I know where most of the 50 states are, but I am still
 learning about the various Portlands, Springfields, Manchesters etc.
 Please bear with me as I assimilate.
 

For me, it's Springfield, Illinois, as I am an Arizonan by birth, Illinoisan 
at heart, and Texan by residence. But most importantly an Illinoisan. And 
Manchester is the home of my favorite football club, the Red Devils. ;)

And at least you have an excuse for not knowing where the states are. My 
brother, who has lived in the US for his entire life, doesn't even know 
where Nebraska is. I don't know how he passed 7th grade.

Alexander


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