Re: [Talk-hr] 1. mapping party - aftermath

2009-12-07 Per discussione Željko Filipin
2009/12/7 Matija Nalis mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr BTW, sto ste u auto imali od opreme (GPSovi/fottachi), dopisite na: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2009.11.29_-_prvi_mapping_party Naša oprema je već upisana, Marko na tebi je red. :) Željko

Re: [Talk-hr] 1. mapping party - aftermath

2009-12-07 Per discussione Željko Filipin
Ubacio link na slike na flickru ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/7387...@n08/tags/mappingparty/) na http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2009.11.29_-_prvi_mapping_party Željko ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are closed issues really closed post ODbL data removal plan

2009-12-07 Per discussione Matt Amos
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: So my question is:  1. The closed issue I referred to contains the text OSMF counsel does not believe on something that seems to have fundamental significance to how the transition will be performed. Specifically

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-07 Per discussione Simon Ward
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 07:09:30PM +0100, Mike Collinson wrote: I believe there was a discussion that viral does necessarily mean reciprocal, hence the use of the word. I'll check tomorrow if no one else comes back. If you get down to various meanings already documented in English, neither

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Lambertus
Sorry, but I don't see a lot of OSM people going over to 'the dark side'. No matter how good or bad OSM is being run. If I don't agree with how things are being done here at OSM then I'll try to fix it, work around it or quit, but I'm *not* going to be an unpaid employee for Google's mega

Re: [OSM-talk] Create two new categories for lawyers, arc hitects, plumbers, etc

2009-12-07 Per discussione Jukka Rahkonen
Steve Bennett stevagewp at gmail.com writes: What about architect=yes, like you get for bridge, area, building... Seems to work well. And then, if and when you have more information to add (eg, lawyer=immigration), you have somewhere to add it.Steve For people using OSM data through some

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Licence vote

2009-12-07 Per discussione Dave Stubbs
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:19 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Sorry to be pedantic but the wording of the OSMF member vote is: Do you approve the process of moving OpenStreetMap to the ODbL? Yes, I approve. No, I do not approve. Unfortunately this sentence on which we are asked

Re: [OSM-talk] Create two new categories for lawyers, architects, plumbers, etc

2009-12-07 Per discussione Peter Körner
Seems fine for me. I'm still looking for a new key for jobs like lawyers, architects, notary, etc. It was suggested to use office=* in some older thread. I will create a similar proposal as yours on the wiki. Yes, that's cool! It has been supposed to get a list from an external resource

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Licence vote

2009-12-07 Per discussione David Groom
- Original Message - From: Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk To: David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net Cc: talk openstreetmap.org talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Licence vote On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:19 PM, David Groom

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Lambertus schreef: Sorry, but I don't see a lot of OSM people going over to 'the dark side'. No matter how good or bad OSM is being run. If I don't agree with how things are being done here at OSM then I'll try to fix it, work around it or

Re: [OSM-talk] Create two new categories for lawyers, architects, plumbers, etc

2009-12-07 Per discussione Emilie Laffray
2009/12/7 Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi Steve Bennett stevagewp at gmail.com writes: What about architect=yes, like you get for bridge, area, building... Seems to work well. And then, if and when you have more information to add (eg, lawyer=immigration), you have somewhere to

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-07 Per discussione Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Richard Bullock rb...@cantab.net wrote: Maybe we should be mapping slipways, hopefully there's a better approach than marking them all as fully fledged roads though. Sliproads are tagged as highway=xyz_link e.g. a sliproad to a motorway would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-07 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Can renderers improve their render quality at lower zoom levels by not rendering (certain) link roads? Ie, given road A-B-C, with incoming road D-B, and link D-A, perhaps it could not render D-A. Cartographers (people)

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Maarten Deen schreef: You cannot see the process how Cloudmade, Geofabrik and others process their data. You do not get anything back from how companies that use OSM for visual representation. And if Google offers OSM in GoogleEarth and maps you

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided roads proposal

2009-12-07 Per discussione Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: You could easily choose to not show secondary_link at scales of your choice. Whether that is an improvement in rendering quality or not would be a judgment call and should consider the intent of your rendering and the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Steve Bennett
Dunno about the rest of you, but I fantasise about the day that a taxi driver takes me through a shortcut that I added to OSM... I map on OSM because I want everyone to have the changes, not because I'm on an open source crusade. (I'll be quiet again.) Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: And if Google offers OSM in GoogleEarth and maps you are actually benefiting from several things that you cannot get now: - - Massive adoption, visibility to the general public - - Hosting, no more slow world wide tile

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Anthony schreef: There's nothing stopping them from putting the tile servers behind a restrictive TOS, requiring a key to use the API, and limiting the number of accesses per key, is there? Is there for Cloudmade? The routing api, their custom

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: Anthony schreef: There's nothing stopping them from putting the tile servers behind a restrictive TOS, requiring a key to use the API, and limiting the number of accesses per key, is there? Is there for Cloudmade?

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Anthony schreef: You're confusing me with Lambertus. I never said anything good about Cloudmade. I'm not confusing you; it is current practice that the data is used. I thought that was a /good/ thing. At least I came here for the usage of data

Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector

2009-12-07 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Nick, Oleg, thank you for answering. I'm quite surprised that you are working directly from the API. Nick writes: The server is actually quite responsive for POIs - maybe its because node queries are faster than way queries and because the bboxes are generally very small (equal to a few

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Lambertus
I still think that you misunderstand me, or maybe I misunderstand you. I thought that Jonh Smith was talking about users starting to map in Google's MapMaker and I responded that I would never do that. There is a big difference between CM, GF etc that use OSM and Google owning the data and not

Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector

2009-12-07 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 07/12/09 14:16, Frederik Ramm wrote: Nick, Oleg, thank you for answering. I'm quite surprised that you are working directly from the API. Nick writes: The server is actually quite responsive for POIs - maybe its because node queries are faster than way queries and because the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Are closed issues really closed post ODbL data removal plan

2009-12-07 Per discussione Matt Amos
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: So my question is:  1. The closed issue I referred to contains the text OSMF counsel does not believe on something that seems to have fundamental significance to how the transition will be performed. Specifically

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Anthony schreef: You're confusing me with Lambertus. I never said anything good about Cloudmade. I'm not confusing you; it is current practice that the data is used.

Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector

2009-12-07 Per discussione Nick Whitelegg
A call to get only points is certainly something we could add and it would certainly save quite a bit of work on the server over the normal map call and hence hopefully speed things up. What would be really good, I think, to avoid conflicts is to add some API code which refuses to add a POI if

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Lambertus schreef: I have no problems with Google using my data, but only if others can use it too, which means that the database should be accessible (the planet dump). Your contributions are PD, which goes ever further, so you agree with this?

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-07 Per discussione Ed Avis
Anthony osm at inbox.org writes: Why do people believe that there no creative copyright in OSM data I'm going with that assumption because that's what the OSM, Creative Commons, and Open Data Commons, all are telling us. Do you have sources for that? I haven't seen any statement by the OSMF

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Are closed issues really closed post ODbL data removal plan

2009-12-07 Per discussione Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 14:32, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: So my question is:  1. The closed issue I referred to contains the text OSMF counsel does not believe on something that seems to have

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Anthony osm at inbox.org writes: Why do people believe that there no creative copyright in OSM data I'm going with that assumption because that's what the OSM, Creative Commons, and Open Data Commons, all are telling us.

Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector

2009-12-07 Per discussione Peter Körner
Well TRAPI already exists for the purpose of providing efficient read only access to the data for an area. From the TRAPI wiki page: Trapi does not store all tags, so Trapi data should not be used to edit and upload back to openstreetmap. Peter

Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Peter Körner schreef: Well TRAPI already exists for the purpose of providing efficient read only access to the data for an area. From the TRAPI wiki page: Trapi does not store all tags, so Trapi data should not be used to edit and

[OSM-talk] ??? Compatibility of OSM w/ CC-BY-SA sources ???

2009-12-07 Per discussione Paul Houle
My major concern with a license change is compatibility with CC-BY-SA sources such as dbpedia, wikipedia, etc. So far as I'm concerned, dbpedia and freebase are the core of a linked data space that assigns taxonomic identifiers to (most) things that exist, and will really be

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 5:48 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Lambertus schreef: I'm just curious... why? You misunderstand: Google would get my data for free and keep it closed. You'd only be able to use it the way Google intends it to be used:

Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector

2009-12-07 Per discussione SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Nick, Oleg, thank you for answering. I'm quite surprised that you are working directly from the API. Nick writes: The server is actually quite responsive for POIs - maybe its because node queries are faster than way queries and

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-07 Per discussione Michael Barabanov
Really, considering how many discussions about how to map things (just recall all those footway/cycleway discussions) have been on these lists, at least tagging seems to be a creative process right now. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:11

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-07 Per discussione SteveC
On Dec 6, 2009, at 1:48 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Well, you may think Creative Commons is stupid, but I hope others will give them a chance and listen to what they have to say. I think they will, considering that Creative

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-07 Per discussione SteveC
On Dec 6, 2009, at 2:03 AM, 80n wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: Matt Amos schreef: we're talking about moving to another license with very similar requirements, but a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Michael Barabanov
I wonder how easy it is in fact to usefully take the OSM data without giving things back, even with the current license. Seems to me, not so easy. OSM data is not perfect. To create a value-add, a commercial entity would have to extend it. So let's say they do in some non-trivial way (e.g. not

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Michael Barabanov wrote: I wonder how easy it is in fact to usefully take the OSM data without giving things back, even with the current license. Seems to me, not so easy. OSM data is not perfect. To create a value-add, a commercial entity would have to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 8:25 PM, 80n wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote: Remember: Steve is the head of the OSMF, so this is the OSMF Chairman's position about other peoples opinions when they don't share his

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: You cannot see the process how Cloudmade, Geofabrik and others process their data. Well the huge difference is that OSM is under a reciprocal license, What a difficult set of words were that; honestly never heard of those

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: You cannot see the process how Cloudmade, Geofabrik and others process their data. Well the huge difference is that OSM is under a reciprocal license, What a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: I have no idea what that means. I had no idea about reciprocal license either. Ask Google. It might have something to do with the fact that they want to own all the data. Hint hint. I have asked Google; Tim was sitting there

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: I have no idea what that means. I had no idea about reciprocal license either. Ask Google. It might have something to do with the fact that they want to own all the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: I think that developing their own tools, infrastructure, branding, product management... for MapMaker might give away what they think about that. I think you are a little bit biased. Only a little bit :) And if this is/becomes

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: I think that developing their own tools, infrastructure, branding, product management... for MapMaker might give away what they think about that. I think you are a

[OSM-talk] Coastlines and Structures

2009-12-07 Per discussione David Fawcett
I have some questions about standard practices for coastlines and structures that define or protrude from the coast. Is there a specific place for discussion of this topic area, or is this list the best place? Thanks, David. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/GoogleMap mashup

2009-12-07 Per discussione Claudius
Am 06.12.2009 12:24, Ciprian Talaba: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org mailto:frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: Wondering if there is a site that overlays OSM data over GoogleMaps (or any other site, for that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-07 Per discussione Mike Collinson
At 12:28 AM 7/12/2009, Simon Ward wrote: I’ve received the mail, answered the poll, and also the preference poll. In the preference poll, I understand the term “viral license” but ask that people refrain from using that term: It has the implication that it is a bad thing - it may be in some

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Michael Barabanov wrote: To create a value-add, a commercial entity would have to extend it. That surely is one way to create added value. So let's say they do in some non-trivial way (e.g. not just copy the data wholesale or just create POIs). The next few updates of OSM in the area

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/GoogleMap mashup

2009-12-07 Per discussione Ciprian Talaba
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de wrote: Or (sorry it is available only in romanian, but try Hibrid): www.openmap.ro http://www.openmap.ro. The data is available worldwide. --Ciprian Now that's a cool presentation. Did you ever thought about rendering

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-07 Per discussione Ed Avis
Jonas Krückel osm at jonas-krueckel.de writes: I'm not sure if the CC-BY-SA license is really simpler than ODbL. Just look at this website here http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/ and you'll see that the ODbL is as simple as CC-BY-SA. That summary page is great but

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Frederik Ramm schreef: Totally true, and actually a good argument for the PD case. Anyone who takes OSM data and improves it privately is likely to to invest much more in tracking OSM than it would cost him to just release his data into OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-07 Per discussione Ed Avis
SteveC steve at asklater.com writes: With a gun at their head: Refuse: After the migration (currently 26th February 2010), your contributions will not be included in ODbL licensed downloads and you will not be able to continue contributing.. If you call this a vote, then we have pretty

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/GoogleMap mashup

2009-12-07 Per discussione Sam Vekemans
Hi all, Here's the link to the Google earth kml overlay that can do transparencies. I use it with the yahoo imagery the OpenCycleMap layer on, and all the other layers off. It works great! Cristian Streng http://www.mgmaps.com/feedback.php?topic=18 is working on it, so far the OSM Appribution

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-07 Per discussione Ed Avis
SteveC steve at asklater.com writes: It is not very wise of ODbL proponents to claim that CC say that CC-BY-SA doesn't work for data without also admitting that CC recommend CC0 for data. Personally I don't because the former is a legal opinion and the latter is a moral crusade opinion.

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-07 Per discussione Mike Collinson
At 09:24 PM 6/12/2009, morb@beagle.com.au wrote: Quoting Anthony o...@inbox.org: Part of me suspects that this whole notion of removing contributions from people who don't agree is going to get dropped. At least for the contributors who don't respond one way or the other. It's just going

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Are closed issues really closed post ODbL data removal plan

2009-12-07 Per discussione 80n
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: So my question is: 1. The closed issue I referred to contains the text OSMF counsel does not believe on something that seems to have

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-07 Per discussione Grant Slater
2009/12/7 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com: Jonas Krückel osm at jonas-krueckel.de writes: I'm not sure if the CC-BY-SA license is really simpler than ODbL. Just look at this website here http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/ and you'll see that the ODbL is as simple as CC-BY-SA.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-07 Per discussione SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Ed Avis wrote: SteveC steve at asklater.com writes: With a gun at their head: Refuse: After the migration (currently 26th February 2010), your contributions will not be included in ODbL licensed downloads and you will not be able to continue contributing..

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Share Alike images

2009-12-07 Per discussione Liz
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Matt Amos wrote: let's take a look at some evidence, the doodle.com poll. currently there are 225 respondents, breaking down into 76% yes, 12% no and 12% don't know. that's a significant proportion of yes. furthermore, 62% of yes correspondents feel that their data should

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Share Alike images

2009-12-07 Per discussione Pieren
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: That poll is evidence that the poll should cover all users. 225 respondents out of tens of thousands of contributors will not reach significance. I agree, this poll has no scientific value as people might reply multiple times and

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Share Alike images

2009-12-07 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: That poll is evidence that the poll should cover all users. 225 respondents out of tens of thousands of contributors will not reach significance. I agree, this poll has no scientific value as

[OSM-talk] ODL - my use case

2009-12-07 Per discussione hanoj
Hello, I'm making clear my knowledge about OpenData License and I have specified a practical example from cartographic practice on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Use_Cases#Map_composite_from_OSM_and_commercial_data Is there anyone to answer OK or not OK according

Re: [OSM-talk] ??? Compatibility of OSM w/ CC-BY-SA sources ???

2009-12-07 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/8 Paul Houle p...@ontology2.com:    My major concern with a license change is compatibility with CC-BY-SA sources such as dbpedia,  wikipedia,  etc.    So far as I'm concerned,  dbpedia and freebase are the core of a linked data space that assigns taxonomic identifiers to (most)

Re: [OSM-talk] Coastlines and Structures

2009-12-07 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/8 David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com: I have some questions about standard practices for coastlines and structures that define or protrude from the coast.  Is there a specific place for discussion of this topic area, or is this list the best place? For tagging, there is now a

Re: [OSM-talk] Coastlines and Structures

2009-12-07 Per discussione David Groom
- Original Message - From: David Fawcett david.fawc...@gmail.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Coastlines and Structures I have some questions about standard practices for coastlines and structures that define or protrude from

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Licence vote

2009-12-07 Per discussione Jason Cunningham
Can I also be sorry for being pedantic and point out an issue with the license. The OSMF decided to base themselves in the UK and is A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales. Company Registration Number: 05912761 The Articles of Association [

Re: [OSM-talk] ??? Compatibility of OSM w/ CC-BY-SA sources ???

2009-12-07 Per discussione Henk Hoff
2009/12/7 Paul Houle p...@ontology2.com My major concern with a license change is compatibility with CC-BY-SA sources such as dbpedia, wikipedia, etc. In the short term I'm primarily concerned w/ displaying slippy maps to display CC-BY-SA and PD-derived coordinates and shapes on.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Licence vote

2009-12-07 Per discussione Henk Hoff
2009/12/8 Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com (I think I support the licence/license change, but I need to read more. Sadly not a member of the OSMF because of their links with Paypal, a point of principle for me) You might want to take a look that this page...

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Michael Barabanov michael.baraba...@gmail.com wrote: Really, considering how many discussions about how to map things (just recall all those footway/cycleway discussions) have been on these lists, at least tagging seems to be a creative process right now.

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: We really, really, really, like to keep your and everyone's edits going forward. But we have to respect your choice. Under the current regime, you are allowing your contributions to be used only under CC BY SA 2.0. We

Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-07 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/8 Anthony o...@inbox.org: But if it's copyrighted, who owns the copyright on it?  Each person who uses the tag?  The people who participate in the list discussion?  The OSMF? You own the copyright on your changes but you also agreed to release it at present under CC-BY-SA, as does

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-07 Per discussione Ed Avis
Anthony osm at inbox.org writes: What about dual licensing under CC-BY-SA and ODbL?  That way you can keep the CC-BY-SA contributions.Of course, it doesn't make much sense, because the whole point of ODbL is that it's more restrictive than CC-BY-SA. It makes a little bit of sense: the ODbL does

Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE Land Cover import in Estonia completed

2009-12-07 Per discussione Margus Värton
Margus Värton wrote: I am glad to inform You that CORINE Land Cover data for Estonia is currently being imported. It takes some time and some manual or semi-manual intervention but in few days we should have much improved map data. CORINE Land Cover data import for Estonia completed,

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Ooit data overgenomen en geïmporte erd in OSM?

2009-12-07 Per discussione Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rejo Zenger schreef: ++ 07/12/09 01:35 +0100 - Stefan de Konink: Voor mij betekent het apart zetten van de niet geclearde data, op een plaats waar het mag bit-rotten, hetzelfde als weggooien. Waarom zou het gaan bitrotten als de mensen die niet

Re: [talk-au] Can't see the facts for the FUD

2009-12-07 Per discussione Liz
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: So to me, the devil is in the details and I think we need to try and get our own legal advice on how it will effect us in Australia because so far they have had 5 legal opinions, but only for the UK and the US. and we are not in a position to agree to a

Re: [talk-au] Can't see the facts for the FUD

2009-12-07 Per discussione Liz
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Liz wrote: and we are not in a position to agree to a change without am opinion by a lawyer on our lawyer, not a licence working group member's opinion on our law. James has been pointing out that the Feds, who can afford good lawyers, find CC-by-Sa and CC-by as quite

Re: [talk-au] Can't see the facts for the FUD

2009-12-07 Per discussione John Smith
2009/12/7 Liz ed...@billiau.net: and we are not in a position to agree to a change without am opinion by a lawyer on our lawyer, not a licence working group member's opinion on our law. I agree, but I don't have any legal resources at my disposal, although the OSGeo guys might. James has been

Re: [talk-au] Can't see the facts for the FUD

2009-12-07 Per discussione James Livingston
On 07/12/2009, at 7:29 PM, John Smith wrote: 2009/12/7 Liz ed...@billiau.net: James has been pointing out that the Feds, who can afford good lawyers, find CC-by-Sa and CC-by as quite satisfactory in Australia. As far as I can gather CC-BY-SA most likely won't work in the US, so I can only

Re: [talk-au] Can't see the facts for the FUD

2009-12-07 Per discussione Steve Bennett
I came across this today*, if it is of any interest: http://www.ands.org.au/guides/cc-and-data.html Steve * At work. Legitimately work related! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Blanchetown

2009-12-07 Per discussione Nick Hocking
I'll be driving from Canberra to Adelaide on December 22nd. Normally I would turn left at Balranald but I coulf just go straight ahead and maybe survey Paringa and stay overnight at Renmark. On the way out (Jan 3) I could do a little bit more... I was contemplating Manangatang but someone seems

Re: [talk-au] Can't see the facts for the FUD

2009-12-07 Per discussione Liz
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote: I came across this today*, if it is of any interest: http://www.ands.org.au/guides/cc-and-data.html Steve * At work. Legitimately work related! well it is of interest the whole collection is protected under the Australian version (in Australia I

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] Anyone able to get/offer proper legal advice over ODBL?

2009-12-07 Per discussione John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: pcr...@pcreso.com Date: 2009/12/8 Subject: Re: [Aust-NZ] Anyone able to get/offer proper legal advice over ODBL? To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Hi John, Not legal advice, but some comments/concerns based on what I

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-07 Per discussione Peter Ross
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking to use Nearmap with JOSM.  I was doing so quite happily with the old instructions (using the tested version from bigtincan as listed in the Nearmap page on the Wiki) but I made the mistake of upgrading JOSM, as

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-07 Per discussione Liz
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I tried using Potlatch, but I've not used it before, and it's driving me mad. I'm tempted to try Merkaartor, but I'm used to JOSM, I'd rather get it working if I could. I tried

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-07 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, you wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: JOSM and Potlatch are not a feature choice, but how_you_like_to_use_your_computer choice. As a keyboard user who started in the 60s (it was a typewriter then) the keyboard shortcuts in JOSM are

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-07 Per discussione Steve Bennett
JOSM can be used offline, So far all that's done for me is lose a chunk of edits when they conflicted at upload time. :( (I don't really do offline anymore...) you can use it to import data. Do you do that much? Where do you get it from? Less responsive. Using an applet in a browser is

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-07 Per discussione Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: don't know what is avail in potlatch overall a is 'add' mode s is 'select' mode d is 'delete' mode u is unselect Oh yeah, good old modal editing :) It's like using vim. I found this horribly tedious. In potlatch,

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-07 Per discussione Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: doing things, that's all. I started out when the only Potlatch editing mode was live editing - and I'm used to doing things, checking them, and then pushing save if I'm happy. This made me immediately look for something

Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 250 Cidades - O Início

2009-12-07 Per discussione Samuel Vale
Em Sex, 2009-12-04 às 20:28 +, Aun Johnsen escreveu: Viu que distancia Vitoria (ES) pela Rio de Janeiro (RJ) e 2001km, mas Rio de Janeiro (RJ) pela Vitoria (ES) so e 543km. Parecendo que o caminho Vitoria pela Rio passa por Belo Horizonte a Sao Paulo... 2009/12/4 Vitor George

Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 250 Cidades - O Início

2009-12-07 Per discussione Vitor George
Neste final de semana tentei acertar a Dutra sentido Rio-SP. Nào consegui fazer o plugin de routing do JOSM funcionar para testar, mas creio que não vai haver problemas. Alguém está usando ou usou este plugin? Consigo instalar e fazer o layer de rotas aparecer, mas simplesmente não consigo

Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 250 Cidades - O Início

2009-12-07 Per discussione Bráulio Bezerra da Silva
Eu consertei algumas coisas no Nordeste. Você poderia rodar o script de novo e atualizar a página? :P. Semana de provas e eu ainda invento isso... 2009/12/7 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com Neste final de semana tentei acertar a Dutra sentido Rio-SP. Nào consegui fazer o plugin de routing

Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 250 Cidades - O Início

2009-12-07 Per discussione Vitor George
Posso rodar sim, mas é bom vc dar uma olhada se a sua rota correta já apareceu no mapa da cloudmade, pois, senão, a rota vai continuar aparecendo errada. Creio que demora alguns dias para aparecer. O ideal seríamos adaptar o script para usar um brasil.osm offline, e assim podemos rodar mais

Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 250 Cidades - O Início

2009-12-07 Per discussione Vitor George
Fala Flavio, Acabei postando no wiki, mas vou replicar uma dúvida aqui. Não será melhor focarmos nas capitais na primeira fase e depois adicionar estas cidades na segunda? Parece-me que assim teríamos uma maior objetividade, atacando o problema de conectividade nas partes mais prioritárias, que

Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 250 Cidades - O Início

2009-12-07 Per discussione Flavio Bello Fialho
Eu acho que dá para fazer tudo junto. Para chegar em boa parte do Rio Grande do Sul, não precisa passar por Porto Alegre. O inconveniente de termos muitas cidades é que a tabela fica grande, mas acho que dá para quebrar ela em partes. Já corrigi a rota entre Porto Alegre e Florianópolis, mas o

Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 250 Cidades - O Início

2009-12-07 Per discussione Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
Não tem muito o que fazer mesmo a não ser esperar os updates semanais do banco de dados deles. Eu dei uma corrigida na Dutra (entre Taubaté e Rio de Janeiro) neste sábado. []s 2009/12/7 Flavio Bello Fialho be...@cnpuv.embrapa.br: Eu acho que dá para fazer tudo junto. Para chegar em boa parte

Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 250 Cidades - O Início

2009-12-07 Per discussione Aun Johnsen
Java e Flash bloquiado, e nao poder instalar outro software como merkaartor, eu so poder ver sistemas utalizando AJAX, e as vezes por um hora ou dois entra no Potlatch (tem so um computador por 13 persoes que tem flash instalado) 2009/12/7 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com

Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 250 Cidades - O Início

2009-12-07 Per discussione Vitor George
Estou rodando agora com todas as cidades. Aqui a conexão não é muito boa, creio que vai demorar entre uma e duas horas. 2009/12/7 Flavio Bello Fialho be...@cnpuv.embrapa.br Eu acho que dá para fazer tudo junto. Para chegar em boa parte do Rio Grande do Sul, não precisa passar por Porto

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