Re: [talk-ph] Be careful in tracing from Bing Maps

2011-01-05 Per discussione Jim Morgan
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote, On Thursday, 06 January, 2011 02:03 AM: In Potlatch 2 and Merkaartor 0.17, the imagery can be moved by pressing down the spacebar then dragging. I don't know how to do this in JOSM but it also has a way to move the background image. Brilliant. I didn't know you could

Re: [talk-ph] Be careful in tracing from Bing Maps

2011-01-05 Per discussione Rally de Leon
Hi Jim, It is possible to do this on the latest JOSM. I was also surprised (and very happy) to discover this powerful new feature on JOSM. Because I used to manually enter 'numeric values' for offset corrections (Northings/Eastings), and It's a long trial error process to get the best-fit; now

Re: [talk-ph] Be careful in tracing from Bing Maps

2011-01-05 Per discussione Jim Morgan
Rally de Leon wrote, On Thursday, 06 January, 2011 12:04 PM: the one i'm using on windows: JOSM (version 3767) While Bing Imagery GPS traces are shown on the JOSM's background: click on menu: Imagery -- New offset Don't seem to have that menu anywhere. I'm using the latest JOSM on Linux.

Re: [talk-ph] Be careful in tracing from Bing Maps

2011-01-05 Per discussione Rally de Leon
JOSM Version 3767 (on Windows) looks like this: http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee315/ralleon888/?action=viewcurrent=JOSMVersion3767ImageryOffset.jpg No need for extra plug-in (it's built-in):

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/05/11 09:01, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Is there a tool available to remove all my contributed data from osm, safeguard it, and allows me to resubmit once I can agree with the CT and new license ? No. You would probably negatively affect a lot of other

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: Nothing will be removed on 1st April. 1st April only means that you will not be allowed to edit *with your old account* if you haven't agreed to the CT. Can you clarify this? I understood that the CTs were per-person, not per-account, so if you are unable to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione Grant Slater
On 5 January 2011 12:09, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: Nothing will be removed on 1st April. 1st April only means that you will not be allowed to edit *with your old account* if you haven't agreed to the CT. Can you clarify this?  I understood that the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 5 January 2011 22:15, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Repeated again... per account. The 1.0 version of the CT terms are not clear, but the intent is per account. And here I was thinking that contracts are about what's in them... No matter how much you'd wish and hope they'd

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione Maarten Deen
On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:09:41 + (UTC), Ed Avis wrote: Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: Nothing will be removed on 1st April. 1st April only means that you will not be allowed to edit *with your old account* if you haven't agreed to the CT. Can you clarify this? I understood that the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/05/2011 01:17 PM, Ed Avis wrote: If the new path for licence changes is well-thought-out and well-defined, why are we not using it now? I would love to, however if today 2/3 agree to the license change, we still need to get an OK from the remaining 1/3 to continue using their data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
Grant Slater openstreet...@... writes: I understood that the CTs were per-person, not per-account, so if you are unable to agree to them for existing contributions you would not be able to open a new account either (since to do so you'd have to agree to the CTs for your earlier contributions

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 5 January 2011 22:21, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: CTs will allways be per account. There is nothing linking seperate accounts together or even to an actual person. There is only an e-mail address. Any one person can also create multiple accounts and choose to accept or not accept

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Grant Slater
On 5 January 2011 04:13, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 January 2011 04:37, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: That is true. If OSMF wanted to release the data as PD, it would have to delete any OS OpenData-derived content first. I still don't understand how data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 5 January 2011 22:28, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Our mapping is (likely) illegal in North Korea and a few other You have mentioned China, because mapping there is illegal without the proper permits or whatever you need. regions. I bet we would not remove the data even

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
John Smith wrote: I still don't understand how data could be accepted on that basis in the first place, either there has to be firm statements that such data would be removed, not may be removed As I said to Robert last night, I don't think you need to explicitly write we will not do

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: I think that actions speak louder than words svn is that way cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-CTs-and-the-1-April-deadline-tp5887879p5891828.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 5 January 2011 22:41, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: As I said to Robert last night, I don't think you need to explicitly write we will not do anything illegal into the Contributor Terms, whether the illegal act is shooting Google executives or deliberately distributing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: If the new path for licence changes is well-thought-out and well-defined, why are we not using it now? I would love to, however if today 2/3 agree to the license change, we still need to get an OK from the remaining 1/3 to continue using their data Right!

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Frederic said as a reply: No. You would probably negatively affect a lot of other contributions by removing your data. This might be considered vandalism. If you were to remove your data now, others would probably undo the removal. These points are not relevant. Once OSM continues under new

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione Rob Myers
On 05/01/11 13:14, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: These points are not relevant. Once OSM continues under new license and CT (as currently presented) I demand to have my owned data withdrawn. Why? - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione Jukka Rahkonen
Maarten Deen md...@... writes: CTs will allways be per account. There is nothing linking seperate accounts together or even to an actual person. There is only an e-mail address. Any one person can also create multiple accounts and choose to accept or not accept the CT for his

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-01-05 14:14, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: These points are not relevant. Once OSM continues under new license and CT (as currently presented) I demand to have my owned data withdrawn. Just out of curiosity: What do you consider as your data? Bye, Andreas

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/05/2011 02:14 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen Nothing will be removed on 1st April. 1st April only means that you will not be allowed to edit *with your old account* if you haven't agreed to the CT. No edit with my account leads to that I demand my previous data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
John Smith wrote: On 5 January 2011 22:41, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: As I said to Robert last night, I don't think you need to explicitly write we will not do anything illegal into the Contributor Terms [...] What's with the comparisons of contract law and criminal

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Gert Gremmen wrote: Free data needs no license or CT. I agree! I'm really glad you - like me and many others - are dedicating your data to the public domain. No licence, no CT. Once OSM continues under new license and CT (as currently presented) I demand to have my owned data withdrawn. Oh,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] How to remove my data since 2006

2011-01-05 Per discussione ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
You have a point. ; But I wrote just my intention, not my decision. But I can still remove whatever data I consider mine. (well, until april 1st) Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest)  Before printing, think about the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 5 January 2011 23:53, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Copyright infringement _is_ a criminal offence in England Wales; and the CTs expressly state that the agreement between OSMF and the user shall be governed by English law. I was under the impression that only the US had

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 6 January 2011 00:29, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I was under the impression that only the US had personal copyright infringement as a criminal offence... This is generally given as a reason that individuals aren't being sued outside the US for copying music. ... being sued

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
John Smith wrote: I was under the impression that only the US had personal copyright infringement as a criminal offence... It's an offence in EW whether personal or commercial. For a business, it's an offence to distribute copyrighted material without licence; for an individual, it's an

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 4 January 2011 23:33, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: That is true. If OSMF wanted to release the data as PD, it would have to delete any OS OpenData-derived content first. However, is there any guarantee that OSMF will remove such data first?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Francis Davey
To answer Robert's question. In my view clause 2 needs - and I hope that it will include in its final version - a limitation that you only grant a licence in respect of any rights that you have. The aim (I believe) is this: * the contributor licenses very broadly OSMF to permit them to use any

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 5 January 2011 13:24, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 01/05/2011 01:17 PM, Ed Avis wrote: If the new path for licence changes is well-thought-out and well-defined, why are we not using it now? I would love to, however if today 2/3 agree to the license change, we still

[OSM-legal-talk] Swedish law of landscape information

2011-01-05 Per discussione Johan Jönsson
I am wondering if anyone have considered the laws of some countries, at least Sweden, that states that maps and other forms of landscape information should be reviewed before published. This of defense considerations. Probably there is some limitation of the jurisdiction that makes Swedish laws

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Mike Collinson
I have provisionally added Francis' suggested wording but would like to run it by other License Working Group members. It may help NearMap and similar situations. Here is the CT version that we are looking at formally releasing:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Mike, I have provisionally added Francis' suggested wording but would like to run it by other License Working Group members. It may help NearMap and similar situations. The major change in all this, compared to the earlier versions, is the concept that you may now contribute data that is not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: Could someone, of that disposition, let's call him A, not simply do the following: Make a contract with person B that says Dear B, you may use my data but only under ODBL 1.0 and nothing else; then instruct B to upload the stuff to OSM. Now the data is in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 6 January 2011 10:11, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: This would not be better at all, it would render the whole idea of relicensing via Contributor Terms pointless. This aregument you keep stating about people thinking the data is owned by people isn't the full store, in fact I

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn left restriction on two way highways

2011-01-05 Per discussione Pieren
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.netalan_mintz%2b...@earthlink.net wrote: highway=*_link implies oneway=yes junction=roundabout implies oneway=yes no layer tag implies layer=0 no turn restriction at an intersection implies traffic can flow between the ways

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-05 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, (replying to my own message which was in reply to Dave F Anthony) On 01/04/11 15:17, Frederik Ramm wrote: Second, there is neither a technical possibility to delete posts from a mailing list, nor do we have any moderation policy in place. If we had any moderation - something I always

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-05 Per discussione Nick Whitelegg
-If you look at Android from the view point of the end user or the hacker, it's quite closed. DRM, binary drivers, and the mobile operators occasionally blocking tethering applications. However, independent application developers with valid business models love Android. Their applications aren't

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn left restriction on two way highways

2011-01-05 Per discussione Alan Mintz
At 2011-01-05 01:48, Pieren wrote: no highway=traffic_signals implies no traffic signals I would argue that this is wrong for the vast majority of existing data. Traffic signals are present only where people have placed them, while there are millions of intersections that are the result of

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn left restriction on two way highways

2011-01-05 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/5 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:08 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Nic. AFAIK there are no defaults in OSM, not UK ones, and not others. Any not given Information is simply not yet entered. Are you not aware of this:

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn left restriction on two way highways

2011-01-05 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/5 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: You cannot write not given Information is simply not yet entered no? not given Information is simply not yet entered oops, I did it again cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn left restriction on two way highways

2011-01-05 Per discussione Pieren
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:39 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: not given Information is simply not yet entered oops, I did it again No problem ;-) You can write it 100 times, it does not make it the truth... Pieren ___ talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: Clause 2 requires contributors to make a large grant of IP rights to OSMF on any content added to OSM. I believe that the intent here is actually that you only grant OSMF the rights necessary for them to act as described in clauses 3 and 4. Agreed. Lets now

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-05 Per discussione Nic Roets
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: -If you look at Android from the view point of the end user or the hacker, it's quite closed. DRM, binary drivers, and the mobile operators occasionally blocking tethering applications. However, independent

[OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-05 Per discussione SteveC
Results from my crude little survey; count percentage Android of some kind70 30% Nokia 65 28% iPhone 39 17% Other 45 19%

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Per discussione SteveC
very funny On Jan 4, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Rob Myers wrote: On 04/01/11 15:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Peter Miller wrote: I will currently be one of the people locked out because I have used the Ordnance Survey open data which is apparently incompatible with the new license. OS OpenData

Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-05 Per discussione Lester Caine
SteveC wrote: In response to the critique of the validity, feel free to go do a better job. I was just curious. One thing that it does not show is what OS is being used. 'nokia' covers several options, and I'm finding my N900 is actually quite a nice linux computer ... -- Lester Caine -

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] ondergrondse parkeergarages

2011-01-05 Per discussione Peter
Dat is inderdaad lastig, zeker als er boven de garage ook nog eens winkels/huizen/paden/wegen te vinden zijn. En al helemaal als daar were boven ook nog... achja. Jouw tags kloppen op zich wel, maar het is bijna onmogelijk om zoiets goed te renderen. In Almere hebben we ook zoiets (3 lagen), De

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] ondergrondse parkeergarages

2011-01-05 Per discussione ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Dit is een principieel probleem met 2D of 2.5D kaarten/databases. Ik denk dat OSM -als het de licentietroubles overleeft- wel een betere support voor 3D kan gebruiken en zal krijgen. Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwjaarsborrel!

2011-01-05 Per discussione Floris Looijesteijn
Zoals beloofd! Volgende week zondag 16 januari is er een nieuwjaarsborrel in Hilversum. Deel je plannen voor 2011 met al je map lotgenoten onder het genot van een drankje. The place to be: Cafe Dudok Larenseweg 1a 1221 CH Hilversum 52.2274, 5.1821 We beginnen om 14.00 en zien wel hoe laat het

Re: [talk-au] Australia Post finds new routes around floods

2011-01-05 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:35:06 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Flooding has disrupted mail deliveries in Queensland. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/05/3106734.htm I guess it might be useful after all to tag flood prone roads:

Re: [talk-au] Australia Post finds new routes around floods

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 5 January 2011 18:20, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: so you just download Qld and tag the lot?? Heh, seems that way, the vacant lot near by has been a nesting ground for ducks and they go for swims in the puddles that don't seem to want to dry up.

[talk-au] Flood prone areas

2011-01-05 Per discussione Craig Feuerherdt
John, Would it not be better to map the extent of the flood plain rather than tag individual road segments? I know they have mapped the 'floodplain' across Victoria and then categorised it into probabilities ie 1:5, 1:10, 1:20, 1:50 and 1:100 chance of flood. Obviously its another thing getting

Re: [talk-au] Flood prone areas

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 6 January 2011 07:10, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: John, Would it not be better to map the extent of the flood plain rather than tag individual road segments? I know they have mapped the 'floodplain' across Victoria and then categorised it into probabilities ie 1:5,

Re: [talk-au] Suburb - Bal

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 6 January 2011 11:07, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/01/2011 2:48 AM, John Smith wrote: +1 Most people most of the time don't tend to care to much for/about the ABS boundaries, I was doing a fair bit of work importing postcodes previously, however it might be better to

Re: [talk-au] Flood prone areas

2011-01-05 Per discussione waldo000...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Would it not be better to map the extent of the flood plain rather than tag individual road segments? But within a flood plain, some roads may be prone to flooding while others may be protected (e.g. raised,

Re: [talk-au] Flood prone areas

2011-01-05 Per discussione John Smith
On 6 January 2011 16:40, waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Would it not be better to map the extent of the flood plain rather than tag individual road segments? But within a flood plain, some

Re: [Talk-br] Importação dos dados da prefeitura d e Goiânia

2011-01-05 Per discussione Bráulio
Acho que você pode usar a tag is_in. Mas se você tiver os limites dos bairros e conjuntos residenciais mapeados, isso não é necessário. O Nominatim já vai saber que a rua está dentro do bairro. Se tiver só os POIs, então é bom colocar as tags, pois eu acho que o Nominatim vai usá-las para não usar

Re: [Talk-br] Importação dos dados da prefeitura d e Goiânia

2011-01-05 Per discussione Flávio Henrique
Os dados que tenho aqui possuem até os postes de energia elétrica da concessionária. rs... Bom, como eu tenho os dados dos bairros também (limites/boundaries) vou deixar as vias sem divisão. Depois trato os bairros. Aproveitando a conversa, pergunto: mês passado passei alguns dias no Ceará de

Re: [Talk-br] Importação dos dados da prefeitura d e Goiânia

2011-01-05 Per discussione Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
A precisão do endereço depende da precisão da numeração na base. Existe essa informação de numeração nos dados a serem importados? []s 2011/1/5 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com Os dados que tenho aqui possuem até os postes de energia elétrica da concessionária. rs... Bom, como eu tenho os

Re: [Talk-br] Importação dos dados da prefeitura d e Goiânia

2011-01-05 Per discussione Flávio Henrique
2011/1/5 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com A precisão do endereço depende da precisão da numeração na base. Existe essa informação de numeração nos dados a serem importados? []s Você quer dizer o número da quadra e lote? Sim. Número na rua (como km em rodovias) não.

Re: [Talk-br] Importação dos dados da prefeitura d e Goiânia

2011-01-05 Per discussione Flávio Henrique
2011/1/5 Bráulio brauliobeze...@gmail.com Acho que você pode usar a tag is_in. Mas se você tiver os limites dos bairros e conjuntos residenciais mapeados, isso não é necessário. O Nominatim já vai saber que a rua está dentro do bairro. Se tiver só os POIs, então é bom colocar as tags, pois eu

Re: [Talk-br] Importação dos dados da prefeitura d e Goiânia

2011-01-05 Per discussione Flávio Henrique
Bráulio e demais, boa noite! Abaixo está o link para os limites dos bairros de Goiânia. Por gentileza, verifiquem se estou no caminho certo. Se falta algo. Se algo está errado. O que for. Bráulio, é isso que você chamou de 'limite dos bairros' abaixo? É isso que vai ajudar no mapeamento de um

Re: [Talk-br] Importação dos dados da prefeitura d e Goiânia

2011-01-05 Per discussione Flávio Henrique
2011/1/5 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com Eu notei que depois de importar, tratar os dados e rodar o plugin Validation (JOSM), percebi que 8 bairros ficaram como 'untagged ways'. Parece que a role 'outer' desses bairros ficaram sem nome. Não entendi a razão, nem como resolver isso. Peço,

Re: [Talk-de] AIO fehlt völlig

2011-01-05 Per discussione Peter Wendorff
Am 05.01.2011 02:44, schrieb fla...@googlemail.com: Es wäre optimal, wenn sich ein AiO-Styleverantwortlicher finden könnte. Vorraussetzungen wären mkgmapstyle- und typfiles bearbeiten zu können. Schön wäre noch mit git klarzukommen (ich weiß das ist erstmal ne Hürde, aber man kommt rein -

Re: [Talk-de] DataIntegrityProblemException, Fehlermeldung JOSM (Vers 3772)

2011-01-05 Per discussione Dieter Jasper
Am 05.01.2011 08:03, schrieb André Joost: Am 05.01.11 00:12, schrieb Dieter Jasper: Hallo, habe beim Arbeiten mit JOSM 2x eine Fehlermeldung bekommen (siehe auch Ticket 5811). Vielleicht ist es ja auch kein Fehler des Editors. Vermutlich. Wäre wichtig zu wissen, welche Daten du eingelesen

Re: [Talk-de] DataIntegrityProblemException, Fehlermeldung JOSM (Vers 3772)

2011-01-05 Per discussione André Joost
Am 05.01.11 10:01, schrieb Dieter Jasper: Am 05.01.2011 08:03, schrieb André Joost: Am 05.01.11 00:12, schrieb Dieter Jasper: Hallo, habe beim Arbeiten mit JOSM 2x eine Fehlermeldung bekommen (siehe auch Ticket 5811). Vielleicht ist es ja auch kein Fehler des Editors. Vermutlich. Wäre

Re: [Talk-de] Wo sind weiße Flecken?

2011-01-05 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 5. Januar 2011 08:51 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: Am Dienstag 04 Januar 2011, 19:23:55 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: und jetzt? Wollen wir jetzt gemeinsam über ein Gebiet spekulieren, von dem wir beide keine Ahnung haben? Gerade Tracks sind in manchen Gegenden ohne vor Ort zu sein

[Talk-de] Ausgebingt?

2011-01-05 Per discussione Wolfgang
Hallo, ich bekomme nur noch error loading Bing attribution data in josm für die bing-Bilder. Die normale Bing-Karte in Firefox läuft aber. Wird irgendwo geschraubt, oder wars das? Gruß, Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Ausgebingt?

2011-01-05 Per discussione Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Mittwoch 05 Januar 2011 10:58:37 schrieb Wolfgang: Hallo, ich bekomme nur noch error loading Bing attribution data in josm für die bing-Bilder. Die normale Bing-Karte in Firefox läuft aber. Wird irgendwo geschraubt, oder wars das? Kommando zurück, scheint wieder zu gehen.

Re: [Talk-de] Ausgebingt?

2011-01-05 Per discussione Christian Knorr
Am Mittwoch 05 Januar 2011, um 10:58:37 schrieb Wolfgang: Hallo, ich bekomme nur noch error loading Bing attribution data in josm für die bing-Bilder. Die normale Bing-Karte in Firefox läuft aber. Bei mir sind sie drin. JOSM 3772. Die Bilddienst-URL ist bing:bing MfG, Chris...

Re: [Talk-de] Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückblick

2011-01-05 Per discussione hike39
Hallo Nop, danke, bin nun anscheinend fündig geworden. Bin dabei über den Menuepunkt Verzeichnisse - Wanderwege gegangen. Allerdings hat es mich etwas verwundert, dass dort dann ein Gesamtverzeichnis aller Wanderwege aufgebaut wird, auch wenn ich mich z.B. nur für jene in Rheinland-Pfalz

Re: [Talk-de] Wo sind weiße Flecken?

2011-01-05 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Am Mittwoch 05 Januar 2011, 10:46:46 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Komisch finde ich bei diesem Gedanken nur, dass man gleichzeitig der cloud nicht zutraut, aus den Roads nach Begehung Straßen zu machen. Der gemeine Navi-Nutzer (und das ist ofenbar der einzige der manche gottverlassenen

Re: [Talk-de] Wo sind weiße Flecken?

2011-01-05 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Am Mittwoch 05 Januar 2011, 10:46:46 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: ich meinte auch nicht die Erschließungsstraßen (zu denen habe ich Dir eine gated community in Deutschland gepostet, wo der Zugang selbst für Fußgänger ohne Berechtigung nicht frei ist). Auf dem betreffenden Luftbild habe ich

Re: [Talk-de] DataIntegrityProblemException, Fehlermeldung JOSM (Vers 3772)

2011-01-05 Per discussione Dieter Jasper
Am 05.01.2011 10:19, schrieb André Joost: Hast du den Weg in der josm-Sitzung neu angelegt, mit josm die Daten auf dem üblichen Weg per Rechteckauswahl heruntergeladen, oder aus einem Extrakt? Bei letzteren kann es schon mal solche Probleme geben, wenn Knoten eines Weges fehlen. Über die

Re: [Talk-de] Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückblick

2011-01-05 Per discussione Rainer Kluge
Hallo, Am 05.01.2011 08:11, schrieb André Joost: Am 04.01.11 23:25, schrieb Sven Geggus: Was anderes ist mir noch aufgefallen. Warum wird dennd er GR20 auf korsika nicht gerendert? Der schlummert noch in der Warteliste: Nur am Rande und off-topic: Nach Auffassung der FFRP (Fédération

Re: [Talk-de] Was ist in OSM eine Autobahn?

2011-01-05 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 5. Januar 2011 02:34 schrieb Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de: Bis dahin würde ich zum trunk plus motorroad=yes tendieren, weil die sonstige Beschilderung und auch das Ausfahrtschild gelb ist. ja, am Anfang der Serie würde ich auch trunk und motorroad taggen, ist ja auch so beschildert:

Re: [Talk-de] Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückblick

2011-01-05 Per discussione André Joost
Am 05.01.11 11:32, schrieb Rainer Kluge: Nur am Rande und off-topic: Nach Auffassung der FFRP (Fédération française de randonnée pedestre) sind die GR-Wegen deren geistiges Eigentum und diese dürfen daher nicht in OSM erfasst werden. Auf Anfragen der französischen OSM-Community hat die FFRP

Re: [Talk-de] ?Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückbli ck

2011-01-05 Per discussione Sven Geggus
hike39 ho...@hike.de wrote: Allerdings hat es mich etwas verwundert, dass dort dann ein Gesamtverzeichnis aller Wanderwege aufgebaut wird, auch wenn ich mich z.B. nur für jene in Rheinland-Pfalz interessiere. Das liegt vermutlich daran, dass Nop einfach alle Wanderwege die er hat automatisch

Re: [Talk-de] ?Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückbli ck

2011-01-05 Per discussione Sven Geggus
André Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: a) fehlendem Ortsbezug im Namen GR20 alleine wird nicht toleriert. Aus dem GR ergibt sich implizit, dass der Weg in Frankreich oder Spanien liegt. Explizit ergibt sich der Ortsbezug durch die Geometrie selbst. Komische Regel, das. Gruss Sven --

Re: [Talk-de] ?Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückbli ck

2011-01-05 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Rainer Kluge rklug...@web.de wrote: Das bezieht sich natürlich nicht auf die Wege selbst, sondern auf die Verwendung der Bezeichnung GR xx und das Zusammenfassen von Wegen zu einer Relation. Die Relation 101692 steht ganz eindeutig im Widerspruch zur Auffassung der FFRP. Ich kann den

Re: [Talk-de] ?Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückbli ck

2011-01-05 Per discussione Rainer Kluge
Hallo Sven, Am 05.01.2011 12:58, schrieb Sven Geggus: Wenn es ein eingetragenes Markenzeichen für die Namen gibt dürfen wir die Bezeichnung GR XX tatsächlich nicht verwenden aber eben nur dann. Ich kein Jurist aber meine Französischkenntnisse reichen aus um das zu verstehen: Topo-guide des

Re: [Talk-de] ?Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückbli ck

2011-01-05 Per discussione André Joost
Am 05.01.11 12:49, schrieb Sven Geggus: André Joostandre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: a) fehlendem Ortsbezug im Namen GR20 alleine wird nicht toleriert. Aus dem GR ergibt sich implizit, dass der Weg in Frankreich oder Spanien liegt. ... oder Belgien. Nop möchte aber für sein

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM und Luftbilder

2011-01-05 Per discussione Markus
Hallo Michael, Die drei Plugins WMSPlugin, Imagery RemoteControl sind nun direkt in JOSM eingebaut, und müssen nicht mehr nachträglich nachinstalliert werden. Ok - aber wo? JOSM auf rev. 3772 aktualisiert. danach war auch das WMS-Menü verschwunden bei mir ist trotzdem das Imagery-Menü

Re: [Talk-de] ?Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückbli ck

2011-01-05 Per discussione NopMap
Sven Geggus wrote: a) fehlendem Ortsbezug im Namen GR20 alleine wird nicht toleriert. Aus dem GR ergibt sich implizit, dass der Weg in Frankreich oder Spanien liegt. Explizit ergibt sich der Ortsbezug durch die Geometrie selbst. Komische Regel, das. Der Name sollte für sich allein

Re: [Talk-de] Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückblick

2011-01-05 Per discussione NopMap
Hallo! hike39 wrote: danke, bin nun anscheinend fündig geworden. Bin dabei über den Menuepunkt Verzeichnisse - Wanderwege gegangen. Allerdings hat es mich etwas verwundert, dass dort dann ein Gesamtverzeichnis aller Wanderwege aufgebaut wird, auch wenn ich mich z.B. nur für jene in

Re: [Talk-de] ?Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückbli ck

2011-01-05 Per discussione NopMap
Hi! Sven Geggus wrote: Das liegt vermutlich daran, dass Nop einfach alle Wanderwege die er hat automatisch extrahiert und keine Ahnung hat wo genau die liegen. Genau. :-) Sven Geggus wrote: @Nop: Das kann man ganz einfach ST_Intersects in der Postgis machen, wenn man

Re: [Talk-de] ??Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrück blick

2011-01-05 Per discussione Sven Geggus
Rainer Kluge rklug...@web.de wrote: Demnach sind die Bezeichnungen für die diversen Wege, die zugehörigen Abkürzungen und die Farbcodes der Markierung eingetragene Markenzeichen. Unglaublich! Das schlimmste was passieren kann ist aber, dass wir die Wege umbenennen müssen. Gruss Sven -- C

Re: [Talk-de] ??Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrück blick

2011-01-05 Per discussione Sven Geggus
NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: GR sagt ohne weitere Informationen exakt gar nichts. GR ist ein Trademark wie ich gerade gelernt habe. Außerdem gibt es das Grundprinzip, das bei Namen keine Abkürzungen verwendet werden. GR ist nach meinem Verständnis eine Ref, aber kein Name. Das kann man so

Re: [Talk-de] denomination bei evangelischen Kirchen

2011-01-05 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 3. Januar 2011 12:22 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Mein dringender Rat in dieser Sache waere, jegliches Tagging, das ueber place_of_worship=church, building=yes, name=xyz und religion=christian hinausgeht, der oertlichen Gemeinde zu ueberlassen... Ich kann niemandem was

Re: [Talk-de] warum keine autobahn-nummer gerendert

2011-01-05 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 5. Januar 2011 08:48 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: highway=road kann jegliche Art von Weg oder Straße sein. Das sollte man aus gutem Grund nicht für's Routing benutzen. nämlich? Es ist natürlich ein gewisses Risiko damit verbunden, wenn man es optional einschaltet ist man sich

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM und Luftbilder

2011-01-05 Per discussione Christian Knorr
Am Mittwoch 05 Januar 2011, um 03:06:47 schrieb Markus: Seit der Aktualisierung von JOSM-tested auf 3751 ist das WMS-Plugin im Menü verschwunden (sei jetzt im Core?). Auch das imagery-Plugin ist weg, aber noch in der Plugin-Liste. Worum geht's denn, was fehlt Dir? MfG, Chris

Re: [Talk-de] ?Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückbli ck

2011-01-05 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Am Mittwoch 05 Januar 2011, 12:58:55 schrieb Sven Geggus: Wenn es ein eingetragenes Markenzeichen für die Namen gibt dürfen wir die Bezeichnung GR XX tatsächlich nicht verwenden aber eben nur dann. Meinem laienhaften Verständnis nach darf man für eine neutrale Kennzeichnung einer Marke auch

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM und Luftbilder

2011-01-05 Per discussione Michael Bemmerl
Markus schrieb: Die drei Plugins WMSPlugin, Imagery RemoteControl sind nun direkt in JOSM eingebaut, und müssen nicht mehr nachträglich nachinstalliert werden. Ok - aber wo? Die Funktionen von WMSPlugin, Imagery RemoteControl sind nun direkt in der josm-tested.jar integriert. Deswegen ist

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM und Luftbilder

2011-01-05 Per discussione Robert S.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de wrote: Seit der Aktualisierung von JOSM-tested auf 3751 ist das WMS-Plugin im Menü verschwunden (sei jetzt im Core?). Auch das imagery-Plugin ist weg, aber noch in der Plugin-Liste. Hast du zufällig jetzt einen Menüpunkt

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM und Luftbilder

2011-01-05 Per discussione Claudius
Am 05.01.2011 13:56, Markus: Hallo Michael, Die drei Plugins WMSPlugin, Imagery RemoteControl sind nun direkt in JOSM eingebaut, und müssen nicht mehr nachträglich nachinstalliert werden. Ok - aber wo? Einstellungen öffnen um dort RemoteControl-Einstellungen zu überprüfen + in der

Re: [Talk-de] ?Reit- und Wanderkarte - Jahresrückbli ck

2011-01-05 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 5. Januar 2011 12:58 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Außerdem wäre nach dieser merkwürdigen Rechtsauffassung auch die Wikipediaseite http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GR20 illegal. ich kenne mich nicht besonders aus mit Markenrechten, aber das hier ist doch auch nicht verboten,

Re: [Talk-de] Liste mit möglicherweise inkorrekten S traßennamen

2011-01-05 Per discussione Peter Wendorff
Hallo Michael. Bin jetzt mit meinem Ersten durchgang durch die gesamte Liste durch ;) Ein paar Verbesserungsvorschläge hab ich noch... 1) Weg-Typ: Bisher muss man jedes Element anklicken, um herauszukriegen, was das jetzt für ein Objekt ist. Häufig ist der Weg-Typ dabei aber Aussage genug: an

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