Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Warning about not mapping military areas

(Frederik's came in while I was drafting this.) What was the reason for you wanting to put that warning there? Do you know of actual problems that a warning like that would have prevented, or was it (as your email suggests) "Looks like others have done this; we should to" ? With all due respect

[Talk-GB] Tagging of historic 'stink pipes'

Morning all My local civic society is collecting the location of 'stink pipes', Victorian sewer ventilation shafts in cast iron. Pics here: https://twitter.com/TobyWoody/status/1339679166371926017/photo/1 I've suggested they use OpenStreetMap and suggested a node with tag

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

> I recall some means of tagging a step-over gate on a bridleway but can't remember or instantly find the tag. barrier=horse_stile On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 19:48, Chris Hodges wrote: > Accessibility tagging for bike routes would be great, and mean a lot of > work on the ground. Things like

Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

technical for me to follow easily.) On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 18:50, Mark Goodge wrote: > > > On 14/12/2020 17:49, Martin Wynne wrote: > > On 14/12/2020 17:27, Edward Bainton wrote: > >> Any thoughts on why when I enable "public GPS traces" in iD, I get one >

[Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

Any thoughts on why when I enable "public GPS traces" in iD, I get one that near enough exactly tracks the LA boundary South Kesteven:Peterborough (at Deeping St James)? See https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.6543/-0.2655=G It seems unlikey that it really is a GPS trace - or is it?

Re: [Talk-GB] map styles on osm.org; other sites (was: Re: driveway-becomes-track)

I keep hearing snagging issues that *might* be resolved by a more federal OSM, in the map presentation as well as in the organisational structure. Is that something that's ever been considered? On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 13:40, Nick wrote: > Totally agree that openstreetmap.org isn't supposed to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Brexit & EU database rights

Ok, so let me rephrase about 'moving the database'. I mean moving the domicile of OSMF, as legal owner of the database. This is being discussed. (See LWG minutes for September) Does anyone have a clear idea what that would do for the protection of the database as it currently stands? Would it be

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

, 13 Dec 2020 at 10:08, Edward Bainton wrote: > > https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg > > > > It seems daft to me that the mud gets rendered but not the hardcore. If > > I change the "driveway" to "track" that would be the dreaded tagging

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

> https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg > > It seems daft to me that the mud gets rendered but not the hardcore. If > I change the "driveway" to "track" that would be the dreaded tagging for > the renderer would it not? Generally in this part of the world "track" > means mud, rather than a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Brexit & EU database rights

celex%3A31996L0009 > > Simon > Am 10.12.2020 um 22:11 schrieb Edward Bainton: > > A pleasure meeting you all at LWG this evening. > > I saw Brexit in the minutes for September > "At the end of year we won't be losing database rights immediately." > > General guid

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Brexit & EU database rights

*sigh No, it's not remotely clear! Thank you. On Thu, 10 Dec 2020, 23:02 Simon Poole, wrote: > Legal talk is not the LWG list if that isn't clear, that is > le...@osmfoundation.org > > Simon > Am 10.12.2020 um 22:11 schrieb Edward Bainton: > > A pleasure meeting you al

[OSM-legal-talk] Brexit & EU database rights

A pleasure meeting you all at LWG this evening. I saw Brexit in the minutes for September "At the end of year we won't be losing database rights immediately." General guidance I've seen appears to say: - database rights accrued before 2021-01-01 persist (as I've seen discussed in minutes) -

[OSM-legal-talk] How do I join the meeting tonight?

Hi all I was hoping to audit the meeting tonight, with a view to possibly volunteering. I now have Mumble installed (though can't see how to set up Push to Talk) *How do I find the group call and join it?* Is there some kind of web address or something to be input somewhere? The wiki

Re: [Talk-GB] No U-turn on a long stretch of road

On Sat, 5 Dec 2020, 12:57 David Woolley, wrote: > On 05/12/2020 12:39, Edward Bainton wrote: > > Any established tagging system? > > > > The turn restriction wiki > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction> envisages > > turn restrictio

[Talk-GB] No U-turn on a long stretch of road

Any established tagging system? The turn restriction wiki envisages turn restrictions at junctions only; my case is along the length of a major road (~3km). There's no barrier to prevent it, but presumably routing engines ought to know

Re: [Talk-GB] River Lugg

Perhaps, more in hope than expectation, it could be tagged 'under construction' :-/ On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 16:46, Andy Mabbett wrote: > Terrible news from Herefordshire: > > > https://www.ledburyreporter.co.uk/news/18920990.environment-agency-launch-probe-river-lugg-destruction/ > > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Footways bikes can go on

Thanks all for these ideas. The path is marked as shared, but only in the middle of the park

[Talk-GB] Footways bikes can go on

Is there established tagging for a tarmac path that is ~1.5m wide, but designated foot and cycles shared? Eg: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/871919974 There's highway=cycleway | cycleway=shared, but when you're on it it doesn't feel like one, and you can't go full speed. But maybe that's the

Re: [Talk-GB] Q4 2020 Quarterly Project: Defibrillators

> Firstly, I have seen a few buildings that have an AED pictogram sign outside, suggesting that there is a defibrillator inside. I know of two defib boxes near me that are in fact empty, despite being lit and signed. That's quite a high proportion of the tiny number (<10) that I'm aware of. On

Re: [Talk-GB] Weight restrictions

hmm thank you This is probably one more occasion where I should graduate to JOSM rather than sticking with iD - just guessing a bulk edit of all roads in a given area would be possible? On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, 09:05 Philip Barnes, wrote: > On Fri, 2020-11-13 at 08:32 +0000, Edward Bainton wr

[Talk-GB] Weight restrictions

Hi all I've been reading the wiki here on conditional restrictions. Should these be along the whole length of the relevant road, or can they be on a fragment of way near the restriction sign? Eg, the whole of Stanwick

Re: [Talk-GB] Multi-lingual tagging in Wales

I was going to suggest a cy-preferring tileserver, too. Possibly something the Welsh govt would be willing to fund? Could it even be hosted at cy.openstreetmap.org? As a practical question, how does the on-the-ground criterion work in Welsh cases where street signs are bilingual? I ask out of

Re: [Talk-GB] Turn Restrictions at roundabouts

I regularly get QA messages about this when I use the "ImproveOSM" in iD - just about every roundabout near me has at least one. I've been marking them as false positives as to my mind it's obvious that you wouldn't U-turn there (but equally, it would be legal to do so). But the points about

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Can I use this photo

org> wrote: > No, that's just standard language that says Australia247.info can use the > photo, it says nothing about what OSM wiki or anyone can do. You would need > to get permission from the user. I suggest looking for a CC licensed photo. > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11

[OSM-legal-talk] Can I use this photo

Hi legal beagles. I have found a photo that I'd like to include in the wiki. It appears to be user content contributed to this page

[Talk-GB] Listed status / scheduled monument

Hi all I'd like to map St Leonard's Priory, Stamford, Lincs: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1007690 This is a 'scheduled monument'. 1. The wiki is a bit inconsistent on *how to tag* this. 1. Key:listed_status

Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

Are there grounds to appeal that decision? I don't know for sure, but I would have thought the point of FOI is to make info generally accessible. If payment allows you to do nothing useful with the data because it's wrapped in restrictive licence conditions (which I'm sure it would be), then

[Talk-gb-midanglia] Hello from Peterborough

Just introducing myself as a Peterborough mapper: I'm eteb3 on the map and Eteb3 on the wiki. I've been in Pbo around 5 years, and I map in fits and starts. I still consider myself a novice on anything moderately complicated (like bus routes, for example). My interests locally are cycle

Re: [Talk-GB] Q2 2020 Quarterly project GP Surgeries and health sites

Sorry to come late to this party. It would also be useful to indicate morgues & their capacity, if people have access to that information. Eg, most mosques have one. Schedule 28 Coronavirus Act gives powers to local authorities to demand this information. Would be good if it were there in

Re: [Talk-GB] Elections Online website - candidate for OSM?

9, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Edward Bainton wrote: > > Is there any reason why OSM can't set up a user co-op (for instance) > > that would offer a paid tileserver service? > > It's an idea that's been thrown around now and then. In OSM, of course, > "why > ca

Re: [Talk-GB] Elections Online website - candidate for OSM?

I sense this is a good idea someone is sure to have had before and nixed - or else it's not a good idea at all. Is there any reason why OSM can't set up a user co-op (for instance) that would offer a paid tileserver service? On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 15:58, Mark Goodge wrote: > > > On 03/12/2019

Re: [Talk-GB] Elections Online website - candidate for OSM?

? On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 14:46, David Woolley wrote: > On 03/12/2019 09:47, Edward Bainton wrote: > > > > General Elections Online > > < > https://electionresults.parliament.uk/#Cities%20of%20London%20and%20Westminster> > (hosted > > > at parliament.uk <

[Talk-GB] Elections Online website - candidate for OSM?

Hi all General Elections Online (hosted at parliament.uk) have got a failed page where the Google map is overlaid with "Development purposes only". I was planning to suggest they use OSM instead. Can anyone point

Re: [Talk-GB] FIXME/fixme/OSm Notes Quarterly Project

penstreetmap.org/relation/2580522#map=19/52.58839/-0.21216 > > DaveF > > On 05/11/2019 22:51, Edward Bainton wrote: > > What do I do about a fixme on a relation? > > A bus route near me says fixme=check relation plus members - appears > brokenhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/rela

Re: [Talk-GB] FIXME/fixme/OSm Notes Quarterly Project

What do I do about a fixme on a relation? A bus route near me says fixme=check relation plus members - appears broken https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2580522#map=14/52.5823/-0.2418=N Presumably 'broken' means the route has gaps in it? On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 21:18, Rob Nickerson wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans & OSM

> as I understand it Sustrans near Derby changed their mapping to match what was in OSM So that is now in their GIS and so on OS and so OS needs to acknowledge OSM at osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/ncn? On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 18:29, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 04/11/2019 18:19, Edward Bainton

Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans & OSM

, which is why I'm uncertain if a > sponsorship arrangement is in place. > > DaveF > > On 10/10/2019 07:41, Edward Bainton wrote: > > Thanks for that. > > > > I will ask re any formal sponsorship etc > > > > May I ask how long ago it is that you were in discus

Re: [Talk-GB] Parish Councils needs

for bringing it to GB is that this query is from someone working closely with parish councils, who's trying to get them to use OSM as their GSI - so hoping others have good ideas about how to invest them. On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 12:34, Philip Barnes wrote: > > On Friday, 25 October 2019, Edward Bainton

[Talk-GB] Parish Councils needs

in the forum) & add it to 36 (which is the start of the databases numbering for relations so they don't overlap with ways & nodes). DaveF On 23/10/2019 16:32, Edward Bainton wrote: > This is Sutton the parish within the City of Peterborough unitary authority > (there is a

Re: [Talk-GB] Reference numbers for UK admin areas?

um) & add it to > 36 (which is the start of the databases numbering for relations > so they don't overlap with ways & nodes). > > DaveF > > On 23/10/2019 16:32, Edward Bainton wrote: > > This is Sutton the parish within the City of Peterborough unitary &g

Re: [Talk-GB] Reference numbers for UK admin areas?

PS 'grit bin' is arbitrary: I knew Sutton had only one or two, so it made playing around with the database easier. On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 16:32, Edward Bainton wrote: > This is Sutton the parish within the City of Peterborough unitary > authority (there is another in Beds and another in N

Re: [Talk-GB] Reference numbers for UK admin areas?

that be liabilities?) devolved to them from higher tiers of government. Edward On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 16:25, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > Which Sutton? > > Could you post the OP? > > DaveF > > > > > > On 23/10/2019 15:49, Edward Bainton wrote: > > Hi all > On th

[Talk-GB] Reference numbers for UK admin areas?

Hi all On the forum marczoutendijk gave me an Overpass query to find grit-bins in Sutton. He added an admin-level to distinguish the parish of Sutton from the London borough. The only issue is, there are at least three Suttons at admin_level=10 (as it happens, not far from each other). They

Re: [Talk-GB] Licensability of an employee's work

s and other members difficult, and good > communication is a cornerstone of every successful organised editing > activity. I don't know if that's precisely what you meant, but here for info (without judgment either way) Edward On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 20:08, David Woolley wrote: > On 18/10/2019

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensability of an employee's work

ey don't amount to that I > don't see any recourse of the employer wrt the data being in OSM. > > That said, -don't use OSM behind the back of the employer-, get upfront > permission to use OSM. > > Simon > Am 19.10.2019 um 10:12 schrieb Edward Bainton: > > Ah and perhaps

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensability of an employee's work

ng it." On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 at 09:07, Edward Bainton wrote: > Thank you both. To clarify, this is in the UK, where I am in discussion > with two organisations. > > From a purely legal perspective, can I simply plough on trying to invest > them in the usefulness of OSM on the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensability of an employee's work

hing to clarify would be where this is taking place and which >> law is relevant. >> >> Simon >> >> Am 18. Oktober 2019 19:41:59 MESZ schrieb Edward Bainton < >> bainton@gmail.com>: >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Quick que

[OSM-legal-talk] Licensability of an employee's work

Hi all Quick question arising from a 'lobbying' conversation: *If an employee edits the map in the course of their employment, has the work been adequately licensed to OSM/the big wide Open?* According to UK Copyright Act 1988, s. 11 (2) Where a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work [F1

Re: [Talk-GB] Licensability of an employee's work

inst doing this). > > Jerry > > > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 17:45, Edward Bainton > wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Quick question arising from a 'lobbying' conversation: >> >> *If an employee edits the map in the course of their employment, has the >> wo

[Talk-GB] Licensability of an employee's work

Hi all Quick question arising from a 'lobbying' conversation: *If an employee edits the map in the course of their employment, has the work been adequately licensed to OSM/the big wide Open?* According to Copyright Act 1988, s. 11 (2) Where a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work [F1

Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans & OSM

ensing. >> Unsure if it's all LAs >> 2. They "wanted to use mapping that had 100% reliable data for the users >> benefit." >> 3. Mild resentment at being informed they may not be using the best >> solution. >> >> Can you check if they have a sponsorship ag

[Talk-GB] Sustrans & OSM

Hi all I'm meeting the local Sustrans office next week as they've asked me to compile a 'map' of the NCN mileposts in my area (I think they really mean an inventory with locator maps). Obviously I'll be using OSM, and trying to get them to see the benefits of doing the same. OSM seems to be

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

My usual disclaimer that I have no great OSM expertise. Hopefully I can give a newbie's/recently-a-non-editor's perspective. This: > How about not needing to start Google Maps > when searching for a location on the go? would be reason enough to bring in postcodes in this way. Even if they're

Re: [Talk-GB] Rights of way vs. tracks

e allowed to copy from the definitive map, if we copy the RoW info only and snap that to OSM data rather than OS underlying data? Thanks for all points made. Edward On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 20:41, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 29/09/2019 19:37, Edward Bainton wrote: > > > Do I mark a tra

[Talk-GB] Rights of way vs. tracks

Hi all Two rights of way questions for England & Wales: 1. What do we do when a public bridleway passes down an otherwise private track, as here ? Both the track the the right of way are 'on the ground'. Do I mark a track, with all it's passability

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK volunteers required

Thank you, I think I could do a bit on 1, 2, and/or 3. 1, 3. Do you have brief case studies you could share as examples of what you're looking for? 2. Could you clarify what a 'lobby group' would lobby for? Thanks and best wishes Edward On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 22:33, Rob Nickerson wrote: >

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

Legal situation of leases, fixtures and fittings as far as I'm aware: - Lease continues and rent continues to be payable. - Liquidator can disclaim the lease, bringing all obligations to an end OR - Once in arrears/other breach of covenant (such as keeping open for trade), landlord can deem the

[Talk-GB] Georeferencing / zeroing imagery

Hi folks Another query from me that I imagine has been done to death elsewhere (so apologies), but I haven't found it on the wiki. The usual disclaimer that I'm not well up on the technical side of the map. I've read the wiki on Using Imagery

[Talk-GB] Boundary_line at the coast

I'm interested in boundaries marked at Mavis Grind (thanks to SK53 for the waterway=portage tag - Mavis Grind is an old Norse portage, still in use by Shetland Canoe Club). 1. Does anyone know if county

[Talk-GB] 'Sources' tags

I've noticed the changeset data includes the aerial image used (presumably at the moment you hit 'save', if you've referred to several?) Does this mean I don't need to add a source=aerial_imagery tag before I save a changeset? iD doesn't have it available as default; you have to choose it under

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright in OS-derived maps

Ah, I see that was probably just the point Jez was making: I missed the " *tax* money " in his post. Sorry. On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 12:15, Edward Bainton wrote: > Jez wrote: > > i'm just trying to get on with my businessusing a resource bought > and paid for with my

[Talk-GB] Copyright in OS-derived maps

Jez wrote: > i'm just trying to get on with my businessusing a resource bought and paid for with my hard earned tax money My understanding, from a relative who did a lot of lobbying for libraries on copyright and data law, is that electronic publishing has caused a total revolution in how

[Talk-GB] How do I switch off digests?

Any way to get single emails from this list rather than a daily (ahem..) digest? It was an option when I signed up but I can't see how to change it after registration. (Tried by following the the subscribe/unsubscribe page but it's not the right place.)

[Talk-GB] Copyright in OS-derived maps (Jez Nicholson)

The idea of asking a ranger to trace the boundary (on a printout of a thoroughly detailed OSM, of course: better get to work...) is a great one. iirc, the boundaries are all pretty major geographical features, so hopefully fairly easy. But yes, Jez, what a faff. Out of interest, is OS's position

[Talk-GB] Copyright in OS-derived maps

Hi all I've been sent a map by a local charity that looks after large swathes of countryside near Peterborough. It's for their own internal use, showing the extent of their estate. It's based on an OS map, and comes with flags indicating Crown copyright thus: *Reproduced by permission of

[Talk-GB] Canoeing infrastructure/river features

Hi again Jez & others, Just a quick question: what sort of role should overpass turbo play in my researches on this topic (and on canoe portages especially)? Is it an inductive browse for 'the feel of the map'? Do people like stats when discussing new/changed tags, and if so what sort? Answers

Re: [Talk-GB] Canoeing infrastructure/river features

Thanks Jez, I have begun my researches and will loop back here in due course - I think I've understood that the email list is much more active in the UK than the forums. dzidek23, quite right: multiple issues with apps and updates listed on their 'view the map' page! And now all that data is

[Talk-GB] Canoeing infrastructure/river features

Hello all I've started to map some features useful (I hope) to canoeists such as myself. Eg, https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/73814496 (Irthlingborough Lock) Eg, https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/73815104 (bottom right) However, there seems to be quite a lack of objects on the wiki

[Talk-GB] OS Boundary-Line - Manchester political wards and related boundaries, dealing with inconsistent data

As a new mapper around just long enough to know that I've made some crass newbie mistakes already [point in case, just replied without editing the subject line... apologies!], I agree with Andy. The iD editor is the the go-to editor for newbies, myself included, and the snap feature is so apparent

Re: [Talk-GB] Talk-GB Digest, Vol 147, Issue 6

As a new mapper around just long enough to know that I've made some crass newbie mistakes already, I agree with Andy. The iD editor is the the go-to editor for newbies, myself included, and the snap feature is so apparent in the UX that I have regularly taken its steer and made new objects follow