Re: [Talk-it] Sede parco

[angelo mornata]

Parco Valle Lambro Via vittorio Veneto 19 Triuggio (Parco Regionale) dovrebbe 
essere  un ente.


Grazie

Angelo



Da: girarsi_liste 
Inviato: martedì 5 settembre 2017 23:38
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Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Sede parco

Il 05/09/2017 18:50, angelo mornata ha scritto:
> l'ho presa da un'estensione edifici pubblici, anche a me è sembrata non 
> troppo calzante, c'è un'altro modo per definire la sede di un parco che è 
> nello stesso edificio del comune?
>
> Grazie
>
> Angelo
>

Questo parco cos'è un'associazione, o un'ente o cosa?

Ne frattemo potresti valutare il tag office=* al posto di amenity.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:office
[http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/thumb/9/9d/John_L_Scott_Real_Estate_office_-_Hillsboro%2C_Oregon.jpg/200px-John_L_Scott_Real_Estate_office_-_Hillsboro%2C_Oregon.jpg]

IT:Key:office - OpenStreetMap 
Wiki
wiki.openstreetmap.org
This table is a wiki template with a default description in English. Editable 
here. POI che possono essere rientrare in questa categoria (office=* con un 
valore è ...






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Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

[alyssa wright]

Thank you Spencer for your thoughts!

Speaking from my own experience, I come to OSM with many blind spots and I
rely on others to help me understand what those blind spots are.

Perhaps that is one best ways academic research can contribute to OSM -- to
let us see  something new that we were not able to see before.

And thanks to Spencer for being brave enough to share your recessive eye
color [1][2].

 ;)
Alyssa


[1] Did you know that green is recessive to brown but dominant over blue?
Hope you weren't mapping during bio classes.

[2] I think it's super creative that Spencer combined the "mapping blind
spots" and "eye color" in the same thread! Yay! OSMers are so creative!

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 9:36 PM Spencer Gardner 
wrote:

> My thoughts are:
>
>1. The negative reactions to the study seem to be putting the cart
>before the horse. If our goal is to make OSM the most accurate and complete
>map on the planet, it makes sense to me that we would want to understand
>where our blind spots might be, whether they're due to differences in
>participation by gender, ideology, etc. I would expect a vigorous debate
>and passionate disagreement about what (if anything) to do about a blind
>spot if one is found, but that's not really the question at hand. Let's
>cross that bridge when we come to it. Of course, I'm willing to entertain
>arguments for why someone shouldn't pursue this line of inquiry but I don't
>see a compelling reason.
>2. Thanks to the OSM community (esp. Ian, Alyssa, and the rest of the
>board) for encouraging open, respectful conversation. I find my own
>feelings on topics like this to be more complicated than either of the
>screaming sides so I believe it's critical to ensure many voices are heard,
>even from those whose perspective we find difficult.
>
> Regards,
> Spencer
> (green eyes)
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:47 PM, alyssa wright 
> wrote:
>
>> Re your question about 
>>
>> If you are doing an academic study on eye color and OSM/VGI contribution
>> -- I'd be happy to moderate a townhall as well.
>>
>> For what it's worth, I have blue eyes (and glasses).
>>
>> Alyssa.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Joel Holdsworth > > wrote:
>>
>>> Could we have one eye colour, also? ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/09/17 17:03, Ian Dees wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 Let's continue the conversation on this new thread, keeping in mind
 that we all need to keep our mind open and have productive and positive
 conversation.

 I reserve the right to add a moderated cooling off period if we get too
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[osm-ve] Invitación a grupo en Telegram

[Miguel Dell'Uomini]

Saludos cordiales.

Extiendo la invitación a participar en el grupo en Telegram... que -pienso-
permite una interacción más fluida.

Pueden entrar a través de: https://t.me/OSMve

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Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

[Marc Gemis]

In the old thread someone wrote (paraphrasing): I map from
photographs, so I'm not biased.

Since I map in the same way, I have a couple of thoughts. A photo is a
personal interpretation of the real world. The photographer framed the
scene, leaving out or including items. This can be conscious or
unconscious. The interpretation of the photo also depends on the
individual. I once send a photo to the osm-be mailing list and asked
people what they would map. My purpose was to see whether I missed
some things or perhaps teach people to see better and map things they
did not know you could map. Different mappers gave different answers.
This means to me that mapping from a photo is not necessarily
unbiased.

I'm not saying the person in the original thread is dishonest, I
really believe he is trying to do the best he can for OSM, but some
bias can occur.
I know I might never skip taking photos of wayside shrines or dog
parks, but I might "forget" to take a picture of a shop if I'm tired
or have taken lots of pictures during a walk.

What I am missing from all the statistics that we already have about
mappers today, is how divers we map. This can be done e.g. by counting
the number of different amenities, shops, crafts, leisures that a
mapper added and/or updated. So not counting the number of amenities
one maps, but the number of different values of amenity one mapped. Of
course this depends on how well mapped your area is or how many
different features there are in your area. But I'm not the one doing
the research.
Then one can try to see whether this "diversity number" is biased by
gender, religion, education, mother tongue or any other aspect.

E.g. I know nothing about trees, so I will not map the genus of the
trees. So what I know has an impact on OSM. Depending on the OSM
population, genus will be mapped or not. I do not know whether there
are a lot of people that know the difference between the different
species of trees in OSM. So I cannot tell whether OSM is a good,
reliable database to find out about trees in different regions. This
is just one example, please do not focus on this particular example in
your replies.

Those are interesting questions to me. I understand that others do not
care, but I hope people will allow researchers to investigate this
type of topics.

regards

m

p.s. I'm a Belgian, my first language is Dutch, so forgive me when I
didn't use the best English words. It is not my intent to insult or
shame anyone.

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>
> Let's continue the conversation on this new thread, keeping in mind that we
> all need to keep our mind open and have productive and positive
> conversation.
>
> I reserve the right to add a moderated cooling off period if we get too
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Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup for Hurricane Harvey potential impact areas

[Nick Hocking]

Hi Brian,

>From the TxDOT website I see that the road data is updated yearly, but
unfortunately the data was last published at the end of 2015.

One think I would like to make sure of, is that Texas roads are up-to-date
so that any new subdivisions that may be water affected are actually on the
OSM map.

A couple of years ago there was a "Tiger missing and misaligned 2015" layer
that I found really usefull for bringing many US cities and towns
up-to-date.

Do you know if there is (or plans for) a more recent version of this, maybe
Tiger 2017???

Also if there was a layer like this that only had missing/misaligned roads
where the Tiger data had a name tag, then new sub-divisions and any missing
streets could be easily added, all over the US (once Texas is updated).
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[OSM-ja] 地方公共団体コードのタグ付けスキーマ案について

[Satoshi IIDA]

いいだです。

現在、日本地域でOSMに入力されている地方公共団体（都道府県・市区町村）ですが、
他のデータと組み合わせる際に、全国地方公共自治体コードがリレーションに割り振られていると
データ掛け合わせの際のマスターキーができるので作業が楽になるかな、と思っています。

コードの適用には新しくrefタグを付与するのがよいと思っていて、
以下のタグを作るのはどうかと考えています。

ref:JP:LCG = **

ご意見いただけると嬉しいです。
全国地方公共自治体コードについては、以下を参照ください。

http://www.soumu.go.jp/denshijiti/code.html
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%A8%E5%9B%BD%E5%9C%B0%E6
%96%B9%E5%85%AC%E5%85%B1%E5%9B%A3%E4%BD%93%E3%82%B3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89

■その他、FAQぽいもの
* タグのLCGって何？
Local Government Code、です。
正式な英訳を見つけることができなかったのですが、いくつかのサイトでこの呼称が使われていたので、そこにあわせました。

* ref:JP:*** の形式
フランスが ref:FR:*** という形式でタグを作っているので、そこにあわせてみました。

* コードの入力は6桁にする？ 5桁にする？
チェックディジットまでは入力しない、5桁でよいと思っています。

* 適用対象
行政区境のboundaryリレーション・オブジェクトに対して付与します。

* コード利用のライセンス？
DATA.GO.JPでは CC-BYとして記載されていますが、こちらについては総務省に問い合わせをしたほうがよいかもしれないです。
個人的な感覚では、このコードの利用で利用申請や利用条件遵守が必要なものとはとても思えません。。。
（もし出展明記が必要な場合は、OSM wikiでの出展明記でよいかどうか、という点も含めて）

利用を開始するにあたっては、詳しい内容をOSM wikiで文書化、およびrefタグの解説ページからリンク作成が必要と思っていますが、
まずはタグの策定について認識が合わせたいです。


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[OSM-ja] How to Map Aの、畦道のためのタグ

[Satoshi IIDA]

いいだです。

先日、How to Map Aのページをみていたのですが、
田んぼの畦道のためのタグが、 highway=footway になっていることに気が付きました。

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:How_to_map_a

確かにfootwayといえばfootwayなのですが（笑）
街中にある歩道と一緒、というのは、個人的にちょっと違和感があります。

以下のタグに変更したほうがよいかな、と思っています。
ご意見いただけると嬉しいです。
歩行者だけが通れる農道、というタグがよいのではないかな、という意図です。

highway=track
foot=yes

もし反対意見がなければ、今週 or 来週のどこかのタイミングでいじりたいです。

よろしくお願いします。




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Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

[alyssa wright]

Re your question about 

If you are doing an academic study on eye color and OSM/VGI contribution --
I'd be happy to moderate a townhall as well.

For what it's worth, I have blue eyes (and glasses).

Alyssa.



On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Joel Holdsworth 
wrote:

> Could we have one eye colour, also? ;-)
>
>
>
> On 05/09/17 17:03, Ian Dees wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Let's continue the conversation on this new thread, keeping in mind that
>> we all need to keep our mind open and have productive and positive
>> conversation.
>>
>> I reserve the right to add a moderated cooling off period if we get too
>> hostile towards each other again.
>>
>> -Ian
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

[alyssa wright]

Thanks Ian et al. I'd also like to weigh in with two more points:

   1. It's great Zoe's academic inquiry inspired so much discussion. As
   long as it is respectful and productive, we welcome all community input.
   2. If people are interested in taking this off email and speaking more
   directly, I'd be happy to organize a townhall. Please ping me or anyone
   else on the US board and we can help make it an opportunity for us to learn
   more and be involved with this research.

Thanks,
Alyssa.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:

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>
> Let's continue the conversation on this new thread, keeping in mind that
> we all need to keep our mind open and have productive and positive
> conversation.
>
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> hostile towards each other again.
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Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

[Joel Holdsworth]

Could we have one eye colour, also? ;-)


On 05/09/17 17:03, Ian Dees wrote:

Hi all,

Let's continue the conversation on this new thread, keeping in mind that 
we all need to keep our mind open and have productive and positive 
conversation.


I reserve the right to add a moderated cooling off period if we get too 
hostile towards each other again.


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[Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

[Ian Dees]

Hi all,

Let's continue the conversation on this new thread, keeping in mind that we
all need to keep our mind open and have productive and positive
conversation.

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Re: [Talk-cl] experimentos con osm-history-renderer

[Danilo Lacoste]

Si liberó los scripts de hecho ahora están mejorados. Tiene opciones para
hacer barridos y otros movientos pro. El problema es que no he encontrado
nada de documentación como usar los script,  lo poco que he aprendido ha
sido leyendo el  codigo.

On Sep 5, 2017 19:28, "Julio Costa Zambelli" 
wrote:

> Ojala pudiéramos lograr algo como lo que hizo Dereck Rethans hace varios
> años (https://vimeo.com/34404102). Creo que nunca lo documentó en
> detalle, ni liberó algún script, pero quizás se puede replicar parte del
> procedimiento a partir de la descripción general que hace en su blog:
> https://derickrethans.nl/year-of-edits.html y de ser necesario me ofrezco
> para enviarle un email preguntándole lo que nos falte.
>
>
>
>
>
> Julio Costa Zambelli
> Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile
>
> julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
> Cel: +56(9)89981083 <09%208998%201083>
>
> 2017-09-05 18:09 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
>
>> buena, yo creo que podemos trabajar en una versión completa que
>> muestre varias ciudades, con algunos logos, textos y una musica
>> entretenida.
>>
>> podemos comenzar generando algunos videos de diferentes ciudades, que
>> opinan?
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-05 17:59 GMT-03:00 Julio Costa Zambelli <
>> julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl>:
>> > Compartido vía Twitter y Facebook de la Fundación.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Julio Costa Zambelli
>> > Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile
>> >
>> > julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl
>> >
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
>> > Cel: +56(9)89981083
>> >
>> > 2017-09-05 12:03 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
>> >>
>> >> quedarían mejor si algun audiovisual uniera estos videos, con musica y
>> >> todo. por ahí si te creo jajaj
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2017-09-01 18:22 GMT-03:00 Marcelo Aliaga :
>> >> > Está de lujo!
>> >> >
>> >> > 2017-09-01 17:04 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Estimados,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> he estado realizando algunos experimentos con los scripts de
>> >> >> https://github.com/MaZderMind/osm-history-renderer
>> >> >> aqui algunos resultados.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/dalacost/albums/72157688442378
>> 515/with/36825510821/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> son 2 videos con historial del 2008-2017 y una imagen de santiago en
>> >> >> resolución gigante (15360 × 8640 píxeles )
>> >> >>
>> >> >> envío esto a la lista, por que era una vieja promesa que algún día
>> >> >> realicé jejejej; esto es solo un experimento y si alguien necesita
>> que
>> >> >> se genere alguna zona en especial puede pedirme aquí.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> sería ideal si algún audiovisual se interese en realizar un video
>> con
>> >> >> algunas de estas fuentes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> saludos.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
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>> >> >> Ing. Civil en informática
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>> >>
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Re: [Talk-cl] experimentos con osm-history-renderer

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Ojala pudiéramos lograr algo como lo que hizo Dereck Rethans hace varios
años (https://vimeo.com/34404102). Creo que nunca lo documentó en detalle,
ni liberó algún script, pero quizás se puede replicar parte del
procedimiento a partir de la descripción general que hace en su blog:
https://derickrethans.nl/year-of-edits.html y de ser necesario me ofrezco
para enviarle un email preguntándole lo que nos falte.





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2017-09-05 18:09 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :

> buena, yo creo que podemos trabajar en una versión completa que
> muestre varias ciudades, con algunos logos, textos y una musica
> entretenida.
>
> podemos comenzar generando algunos videos de diferentes ciudades, que
> opinan?
>
>
> 2017-09-05 17:59 GMT-03:00 Julio Costa Zambelli <
> julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl>:
> > Compartido vía Twitter y Facebook de la Fundación.
> >
> >
> >
> > Julio Costa Zambelli
> > Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile
> >
> > julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
> > Cel: +56(9)89981083
> >
> > 2017-09-05 12:03 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
> >>
> >> quedarían mejor si algun audiovisual uniera estos videos, con musica y
> >> todo. por ahí si te creo jajaj
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-09-01 18:22 GMT-03:00 Marcelo Aliaga :
> >> > Está de lujo!
> >> >
> >> > 2017-09-01 17:04 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
> >> >>
> >> >> Estimados,
> >> >>
> >> >> he estado realizando algunos experimentos con los scripts de
> >> >> https://github.com/MaZderMind/osm-history-renderer
> >> >> aqui algunos resultados.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/dalacost/albums/
> 72157688442378515/with/36825510821/
> >> >>
> >> >> son 2 videos con historial del 2008-2017 y una imagen de santiago en
> >> >> resolución gigante (15360 × 8640 píxeles )
> >> >>
> >> >> envío esto a la lista, por que era una vieja promesa que algún día
> >> >> realicé jejejej; esto es solo un experimento y si alguien necesita
> que
> >> >> se genere alguna zona en especial puede pedirme aquí.
> >> >>
> >> >> sería ideal si algún audiovisual se interese en realizar un video con
> >> >> algunas de estas fuentes.
> >> >>
> >> >> saludos.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >> Ing. Civil en informática
> >> >> www.lacosox.org
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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[OSM-talk-fr] les dates de terrain, de test fonctionnel, d'import, de source

[marc marc]

Suite à une discussion à propos des dates, j'ai été faire un tour
sur le wiki et taginfo. La problème était simple mais comme souvent
il y a une grande diversité de mise en place.

Il y a, si j'ai oublié personne, 3 grand besoins :

- la date où un objet a été vu la dernière fois sur le terrain
survey:date avec toutes les variantes d'ordre et de caractère
de séparation
Ce serrait selon moi le tag à utiliser pour des projets comme jungle bus 
où certains veulent pouvoir éventuellement vérifier l’existence
d'un objet qui n'a plus été vu depuis X temps.

- la propal sur les bornes a fait sortir un 2ieme besoin, celui
qui concerne les équipements "technique" ou "voir" ne suffit pas
à dire que cela fonctionne. exemple : le pompier à l’œuvre sur
la propal des bornes qui voudrait pouvoir tester les bornes.
Initialement, c'était prévu d'utiliser check_date
le nom n'est pas terrible, le "_" encore moins mais il a
l'avantage d'exister
A la relecture, le wiki ne précisant pas qu'est ce qui est vérifié,
je me demande s'il ne serrait pas mieux d'utiliser 
operational_status:date qui a l'avantage d'être parfaitement clair.

- source:date : la date de la source des données par exemple utilisée 
lors d'un import mais aussi celle de l'imagerie lorsque connue.
mais là aussi, grande variété avec par exemple source="le nom - la date"

Et puis il y a les tag fourre-tout, dont le sens exact est inconnu
ou dont le sens multiple rend sont utilisation problématique.
exemple survey="sortie de classe à tel date" ou d'autres dont on ignore 
si la date correspond à l'encodage dans osm (que le changeset donne 
déjà) ou si c'est celle d'une visite sur le terrain ou d'une base de 
donnée ou une date oü on a vérifié/corrigé la qualité style osmose
 lastcheck
 updated
 check_exists:date
Si vous utilisez l'un d'entre eux ou connaissez outil qui l'utilise, 
quel sens ?

Dernier problème : le format de la date. toutes les pages que j'ai 
consultée parlent du format ISO 8601 basique -MM-DD, à tronquer 
éventuellement lors que nécessaire genre 2017-09
En pratique c'est loin d'être le cas et on se retrouve avec
des valeurs 100117 qu'il nécessite de consulter l'historique de
l'objet pour faire la différence entre 10/01/2017 et 2010-01-17.
sans compter les mois en lettre ou les saisons, abrévié ou non.
bref, informatiquement quasi impossible à utiliser.

Evidement tout ces tags sont optionnel, mon propos n'est absolument
pas qu'on rajoute cela partout, surtout pas.
Mon propos n'est pas non plus de dire où cela doit être mis (changeset 
<> objet)
mon propos est plutôt de chercher, pour les projets qui en ont besoin,
un moyen uniforme pour avoir l'info dans quelques tags commun plutôt
que d'en avoir une 20aine comme actuellement.
Cela permettrait des utilisations du genre :
- vérifier que les commerces n'ont pas changés après 2 ans.
- vérifier le fonctionnement des bornes après x mois.
- vérifier ce qu'est devenu un objet qui se trouverait dans
un import 2016 après que l'import 2017 ai validé tous les autres.

Qu'en pensez-vous ?
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Re: [Talk-it] Idrante, forse, di colore blu.

[girarsi_liste]

Il 05/09/2017 23:15, Alberto ha scritto:
> Sicuramente è un idrante soprasuolo con svuotamento automatico della 
> colonnina quando la valvola viene chiusa. In Italia normalmente il colore è 
> rosso. Ma in altri paesi il colore è utilizzato per distinguere la portata 
> dell'idrante o semplicemente segue motivi "estetici".
> Segnalo la proposta sugli idranti [0] che è in discussione nella mailing list 
> di tagging: sono previsti tag per il colore e per il tipo di idrante 
> soprasuolo, in questo caso emergency=fire_hydrant + fire_hydrant=pillar + 
> pillar:type=dry_barrel.
> Forse riusciremo ad arrivare ad una approvazione della proposta a breve :)
> Ciao
> Alberto
> 
> [0] 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fire_Hydrant_Extensions
> 
> 

Interessante, grazie.

Ho capito bene che al posto di  fire_hydrant:position=* si propone l'uso
di location=* ?



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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

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Il 05/09/2017 22:15, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi ha scritto:
> Il giorno mar, 05/09/2017 alle 21.13 +0200, Alfredo Gattai ha scritto:
>> Non usare il lifecycle prefix, un sentiero come quello che descrivi
>> puo' essere percorso a piedi o riattato in qualunque momento. Settare
>> la trail visibility e mettere disused puo' bastare.
>>
> 
> Anche il disused=yes lo eviterei.
> 
> Visto che si è parlato di percorribilità in mtb (veicolo a ruote)
> metterei smoothness=impassable
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness
> 
> 
> Lorenzo
> 


Sul tratto della way interessata io aggiungerei anche il tag
obstacle=vegetation

Oppure altro valore:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle#Values_for_key_obstacle.3D.2A




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Re: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017

[Marián Kyral]

Co vím, tak Walley je někde od Litovle. Ale asi nemá čas.

Marián

Dne 5.9.2017 v 11:51 xkomc...@centrum.cz napsal(a):
> Do Brna to mám docela kus. Nebyl by tu někdo z (okolí) Olomouce?
>
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>> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
>> Datum: 05.09.2017 11:14
>> Předmět: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017
>>
>> Ahoj, zítra mají být kvartální piva, tabulka je zatím téměř prázdná. Opravdu 
>> není zájem?
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12zGtW414R9se_g_87FdmpHj2B6xO1gf5mG94avTmFb4/edit#gid=712442949
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Re: [Talk-it] Sede parco

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Il 05/09/2017 18:50, angelo mornata ha scritto:
> l'ho presa da un'estensione edifici pubblici, anche a me è sembrata non 
> troppo calzante, c'è un'altro modo per definire la sede di un parco che è 
> nello stesso edificio del comune?
> 
> Grazie
> 
> Angelo
> 

Questo parco cos'è un'associazione, o un'ente o cosa?

Ne frattemo potresti valutare il tag office=* al posto di amenity.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:office




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Re: [Talk-it] Idrante, forse, di colore blu.

[Alberto]

Sicuramente è un idrante soprasuolo con svuotamento automatico della colonnina 
quando la valvola viene chiusa. In Italia normalmente il colore è rosso. Ma in 
altri paesi il colore è utilizzato per distinguere la portata dell'idrante o 
semplicemente segue motivi "estetici".
Segnalo la proposta sugli idranti [0] che è in discussione nella mailing list 
di tagging: sono previsti tag per il colore e per il tipo di idrante 
soprasuolo, in questo caso emergency=fire_hydrant + fire_hydrant=pillar + 
pillar:type=dry_barrel.
Forse riusciremo ad arrivare ad una approvazione della proposta a breve :)
Ciao
Alberto

[0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fire_Hydrant_Extensions



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Re: [Talk-cl] experimentos con osm-history-renderer

[Danilo Lacoste]

buena, yo creo que podemos trabajar en una versión completa que
muestre varias ciudades, con algunos logos, textos y una musica
entretenida.

podemos comenzar generando algunos videos de diferentes ciudades, que opinan?


2017-09-05 17:59 GMT-03:00 Julio Costa Zambelli :
> Compartido vía Twitter y Facebook de la Fundación.
>
>
>
> Julio Costa Zambelli
> Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile
>
> julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
> Cel: +56(9)89981083
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> 2017-09-05 12:03 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
>>
>> quedarían mejor si algun audiovisual uniera estos videos, con musica y
>> todo. por ahí si te creo jajaj
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-01 18:22 GMT-03:00 Marcelo Aliaga :
>> > Está de lujo!
>> >
>> > 2017-09-01 17:04 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
>> >>
>> >> Estimados,
>> >>
>> >> he estado realizando algunos experimentos con los scripts de
>> >> https://github.com/MaZderMind/osm-history-renderer
>> >> aqui algunos resultados.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/dalacost/albums/72157688442378515/with/36825510821/
>> >>
>> >> son 2 videos con historial del 2008-2017 y una imagen de santiago en
>> >> resolución gigante (15360 × 8640 píxeles )
>> >>
>> >> envío esto a la lista, por que era una vieja promesa que algún día
>> >> realicé jejejej; esto es solo un experimento y si alguien necesita que
>> >> se genere alguna zona en especial puede pedirme aquí.
>> >>
>> >> sería ideal si algún audiovisual se interese en realizar un video con
>> >> algunas de estas fuentes.
>> >>
>> >> saludos.
>> >>
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Re: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017

[Mikoláš Štrajt]

Tak navrhuji dát rychlé pivo někde v okolí Stodůlek někdy v čase mezi 18-19
hodinou.

Jinak bude v Praze jen Milancer a já. :-)

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Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 5. 9. 2017 13:36:07
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017
"Je to špatné, je to špatné.
Původně jsem chtěl být v Ostravě, ale nakonec jsem musel zůstat v Praze. Ale
ani ta Praha aktuálně moc nevypadá, mám v osm večer vyzvednout nějaký
balíček na Stodůlkách, takže na 99% asi tentokrát vynechám :-(

Marián


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Datum: 5. 9. 2017 11:15:33
Předmět: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017
"Ahoj, zítra mají být kvartální piva, tabulka je zatím téměř prázdná.
Opravdu není zájem?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12zGtW414R9se_g_87FdmpHj2B6xO1gf5mG94
avTmFb4/edit#gid=712442949

Milan

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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

[Alberto Nogaro]

Anche questa proposta può essere utile:

 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle

 

Ciao,

Alberto

 

From: angelo mornata [mailto:angelo.morn...@hotmail.it] 
Sent: martedì 5 settembre 2017 18:58
To: openstreetmap list - italiano 
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

 

Direi che non è più percorribile, soprattutto perchè era taggato come
sentiero per mountain bike, se uno ci si infila con la bici si rompe il
collo.

Angelo

 

 

  _  

Da: emmexx  >
Inviato: martedì 5 settembre 2017 17:55
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile 

 

On 09/05/2017 05:34 PM, angelo mornata wrote:
> All'inizio sembrava un sentiero normale poi è diventato impraticabile,
> l'acqua ha scavato buche da 1 metro i rovi lo hanno quasi comletamente
> sommerso 99%.
> 
> Attualmente ho usato l'escamotage di mettere "Impraticabile" come nome
> del sentiero, così appare sulla cartina.
> 
> Ma cosa devo fare esattamente?

O anche abandoned http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned: 


  

  Key:abandoned: -
OpenStreetMap Wiki

wiki.openstreetmap.org

Description. The abandoned: lifecycle prefix can be added to tags that
relate to features that have fallen into serious disrepair and which could
only be put back ...



Dipende da cosa ritieni prevalente: il sentiero è ancora percorribile
anche se con grande difficoltà oppure non è più percorribile, nessuno lo
usa più?

ciao
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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Joel Holdsworth]

> A simpler explanation would be that women are simply interested in other
> past-times. And what's wrong with that?


*On average* women are simply interested in other past-times. And what's 
wrong with that?


--- groan that I have to put that caveat in, or people will twist your 
words.




On 05/09/17 14:32, Joel Holdsworth wrote:



The ultimate goal for OSM should be a project which everyone feels
welcome to be a part of, and which does not have a noticeable bias
towards either gender or any given race. Also, please realize just
because women are welcome to participate in OSM, does not necessarily
mean that some women will *feel* they are welcome.



But exactly how is the project unwelcoming? How could the "Edit" button 
be welcoming to men and not women?


I didn't even know the map had strip-clubs or childcare in it - and I've 
been contributing for 10-years, so this clearly isn't an explanation for 
the gender percentages we have.


A simpler explanation would be that women are simply interested in other 
past-times. And what's wrong with that?


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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Joel Holdsworth]

The ultimate goal for OSM should be a project which everyone feels
welcome to be a part of, and which does not have a noticeable bias
towards either gender or any given race. Also, please realize just
because women are welcome to participate in OSM, does not necessarily
mean that some women will *feel* they are welcome.



But exactly how is the project unwelcoming? How could the "Edit" button 
be welcoming to men and not women?


I didn't even know the map had strip-clubs or childcare in it - and I've 
been contributing for 10-years, so this clearly isn't an explanation for 
the gender percentages we have.


A simpler explanation would be that women are simply interested in other 
past-times. And what's wrong with that?


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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 09/05/2017 12:48 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
> Nick,
> 
> This is a study, not a manifesto. All this researcher is doing
> is looking for gender bias, IF it exists, in OSM mapping.
> So, I have to ask, what would you do if she does find certain
> areas of gender bias in OSM and reports them? Would you be
> angry and quit mapping? Would you ignore the report? Or would
> you make subtle changes in your mapping to avoid that bias?
> The choice is yours.
> 
> Charlotte

Well said. Though given the number of tags we have for things like bars,
pubs, brothels, strip clubs, etc versus the lack of tags for child care
facilities, the gender imbalance kind of outs itself. That said, I don't
mind another study to get a current measurement to see if it's gotten
better or worse since the last one.

The ultimate goal for OSM should be a project which everyone feels
welcome to be a part of, and which does not have a noticeable bias
towards either gender or any given race. Also, please realize just
because women are welcome to participate in OSM, does not necessarily
mean that some women will *feel* they are welcome.

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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

[Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi]

Il giorno mar, 05/09/2017 alle 21.13 +0200, Alfredo Gattai ha scritto:
> Non usare il lifecycle prefix, un sentiero come quello che descrivi
> puo' essere percorso a piedi o riattato in qualunque momento. Settare
> la trail visibility e mettere disused puo' bastare.
> 

Anche il disused=yes lo eviterei.

Visto che si è parlato di percorribilità in mtb (veicolo a ruote)
metterei smoothness=impassable
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness


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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

[Alfredo Gattai]

Non usare il lifecycle prefix, un sentiero come quello che descrivi puo'
essere percorso a piedi o riattato in qualunque momento. Settare la trail
visibility e mettere disused puo' bastare.

2017-09-05 18:57 GMT+02:00 angelo mornata :

> Direi che non è più percorribile, soprattutto perchè era taggato come
> sentiero per mountain bike, se uno ci si infila con la bici si rompe il
> collo.
>
> Angelo
>
>
>
>
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> *Da:* emmexx 
> *Inviato:* martedì 5 settembre 2017 17:55
> *A:* openstreetmap list - italiano
> *Oggetto:* Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile
>
> On 09/05/2017 05:34 PM, angelo mornata wrote:
> > All'inizio sembrava un sentiero normale poi è diventato impraticabile,
> > l'acqua ha scavato buche da 1 metro i rovi lo hanno quasi comletamente
> > sommerso 99%.
> >
> > Attualmente ho usato l'escamotage di mettere "Impraticabile" come nome
> > del sentiero, così appare sulla cartina.
> >
> > Ma cosa devo fare esattamente?
>
> O anche abandoned http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned:
> 
> Key:abandoned: - OpenStreetMap Wiki
> 
> wiki.openstreetmap.org
> Description. The abandoned: lifecycle prefix can be added to tags that
> relate to features that have fallen into serious disrepair and which could
> only be put back ...
>
>
> Dipende da cosa ritieni prevalente: il sentiero è ancora percorribile
> anche se con grande difficoltà oppure non è più percorribile, nessuno lo
> usa più?
>
> ciao
> maxx
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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Kristin Rollins]

The very notion that studying who participates in OSM is divisive is
preposterous.

The very notion that there would be nothing to learn if a project where
"everyone has a chance to contribute if they want to" had a 99% to 1%
gender imbalance is absolutely ridiculous. If there are groups of people
who have a chance to contribute but choose not to participate, the
reasons for that are absolutely worth studying. Are there ways that OSM
could change to encourage more people to participate? Are there ways
that OSM could change how it works in a way that would produce a better
product? Or a more welcoming experience for people who aren't like you?

I also find the idea that learning more about ANYTHING is divisive to be
offensive. I find it difficult to find any legitimate reason for the
vehemence of your responses on this topic.

And, to be frank, if the price of my participation is putting up with
anti-knowledge and faux-egalitarian BS, then I suspect I will be another
woman walking out the door of OSM.

Kristin

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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017, at 02:27 PM, Joel Holdsworth wrote:
> Because the very notion that it is relevant to study OSM by gender is 
> divisive.
> 
> Who cares what the gender balance of contributors to OSM is? I don't. I 
> didn't even know what the split was until this thread. Because it 
> literally doesn't matter.
> 
> Even it were 99% women, it wouldn't matter. So long as everyone has a 
> chance to contribute if they want to.
> 
> Some people are saying about how awful it is to have a gender bias in 
> the mapped data. If it were 99% women, I would imagine there might be 
> better detail about the women's toilets. In that case, I would add data 
> about the men's. No one owes me an apology, or a commitment to change 
> their mapping habits. The solution starts with me - "Be the change you 
> want to see."
> 
> It's simple - whatever gender, race, social group you are, come and use 
> OSM. If some data you care about is missing, get mapping!
> 
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/09/17 12:14, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
> > 
> > My goodness, all this anxiety! Why are you feeling that
> > you have to justify what you map, just because someone is
> > studying it by gender?
> > 
> > Charlotte
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > At 10:10 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote:
> >> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 08:25:33 +0200 Marc Gemis  
> >> wrote: > One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female 
> >> hygiene > products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to map 
> >> that, > without access to women's toilets ? > > The real question for 
> >> me is are men more likely going to map shop=car > than 
> >> shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/ ... (sorry for the > 
> >> stereotyping) > will men map leisure=playground or amenity=pub ? > 
> >> will a roman catholic map a mosque ? > will a non-dog owner map 
> >> leisure=dog_park ? > > in short: will we map everything we see or do 
> >> we map only our > interests ? Furthermore, do we really see everything 
> >> or do we only see > (and map) things we are conditioned to ? > > This 
> >> is not about buildings, addresses, roads and paths. They are
> >> > pretty gender neutral I think. It's about POIs.
> >>
> >> I know I map what I see (or more precisely, what my camera
> >> captures). If it doesn't have a sign out front, I don't map it.
> >> To take an example from the midwives vs. strip clubs debate,
> >> the phone book lists seven midwives and/or midwife groups
> >> in the Spokane area. Of those, three are attached to hospitals
> >> and one to a community-health clinic, and so wouldn't have
> >> signs. Two are operating out of private homes and don't have
> >> signs (and I wouldn't map them if they did, just like I don't map
> >> lawn care or computer repair businesses operating out of
> >> private homes).
> >> The last one is in the 95% of the city I haven't yet photo-mapped.
> >> The phone book lists zero strip clubs in the Spokane area.
> >> Despite that, I've found and mapped one strip club: it was on a
> >> major street and had a clear sign out front.
> >> Yes, there's a bias in my mapping, but it's a bias towards
> >> "things identifiable from the street." I'm more likely to map a car
> >> store than a clothes store, because car stores are generally
> >> not found inside shopping malls. Playgrounds beat pubs,
> >> because every playground is visible from the street.  And this
> >> non-dog-owner didn't map the dog park, because it was
> >> already mapped by the time I got started.
> >>
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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Ian Dees]

Hi everybody,

We're going to stop this thread here (at least on the lists I moderate).
Not only is it off-topic for this thread, but we're also off-topic for the
mailing list. Let's remember to keep conversations positive, constructive,
and on topic.

Thanks!
Ian, your friendly list moderator

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Joel Holdsworth 
wrote:

> Because the very notion that it is relevant to study OSM by gender is
> divisive.
>
> Who cares what the gender balance of contributors to OSM is? I don't. I
> didn't even know what the split was until this thread. Because it literally
> doesn't matter.
>
> Even it were 99% women, it wouldn't matter. So long as everyone has a
> chance to contribute if they want to.
>
> Some people are saying about how awful it is to have a gender bias in the
> mapped data. If it were 99% women, I would imagine there might be better
> detail about the women's toilets. In that case, I would add data about the
> men's. No one owes me an apology, or a commitment to change their mapping
> habits. The solution starts with me - "Be the change you want to see."
>
> It's simple - whatever gender, race, social group you are, come and use
> OSM. If some data you care about is missing, get mapping!
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
>
>
> On 05/09/17 12:14, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
>
>>
>> My goodness, all this anxiety! Why are you feeling that
>> you have to justify what you map, just because someone is
>> studying it by gender?
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:10 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 08:25:33 +0200 Marc Gemis 
>>> wrote: > One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female hygiene
>>> > products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to map that, >
>>> without access to women's toilets ? > > The real question for me is are men
>>> more likely going to map shop=car > than 
>>> shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/
>>> ... (sorry for the > stereotyping) > will men map leisure=playground or
>>> amenity=pub ? > will a roman catholic map a mosque ? > will a non-dog owner
>>> map leisure=dog_park ? > > in short: will we map everything we see or do we
>>> map only our > interests ? Furthermore, do we really see everything or do
>>> we only see > (and map) things we are conditioned to ? > > This is not
>>> about buildings, addresses, roads and paths. They are
>>> > pretty gender neutral I think. It's about POIs.
>>>
>>> I know I map what I see (or more precisely, what my camera
>>> captures). If it doesn't have a sign out front, I don't map it.
>>> To take an example from the midwives vs. strip clubs debate,
>>> the phone book lists seven midwives and/or midwife groups
>>> in the Spokane area. Of those, three are attached to hospitals
>>> and one to a community-health clinic, and so wouldn't have
>>> signs. Two are operating out of private homes and don't have
>>> signs (and I wouldn't map them if they did, just like I don't map
>>> lawn care or computer repair businesses operating out of
>>> private homes).
>>> The last one is in the 95% of the city I haven't yet photo-mapped.
>>> The phone book lists zero strip clubs in the Spokane area.
>>> Despite that, I've found and mapped one strip club: it was on a
>>> major street and had a clear sign out front.
>>> Yes, there's a bias in my mapping, but it's a bias towards
>>> "things identifiable from the street." I'm more likely to map a car
>>> store than a clothes store, because car stores are generally
>>> not found inside shopping malls. Playgrounds beat pubs,
>>> because every playground is visible from the street.  And this
>>> non-dog-owner didn't map the dog park, because it was
>>> already mapped by the time I got started.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
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>>
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>> 90403
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Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] Surveys and studies

[Nathan Mills]

I'm sorry, but the closest thing to toxicity I've seen are the overly vehement 
objections to the mere gathering of data. It might be worth examining why 
someone gathering demographic data is causing such a strong reaction.

I sincerely cannot comprehend why anyone would be against this. I can see 
"meh," I can see how someone might find it interesting or maybe even useful, 
and I can even understand finding it totally useless and asking why someone 
else finds it interesting. I can't find any reasonable objection to the 
voluntary collection of demographic data regarding OSM editors and I especially 
can't find any basis to say that it is in any way divisive or "gender-baiting."

If you don't like it, maybe just ignore it since it doesn't affect you in any 
way except receiving an extra email.

-Nathan

On September 5, 2017 2:32:33 PM EDT, Joel Holdsworth  
wrote:
>On 05/09/17 12:07, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
>> If someone named Allessanbdro were in charge, a study,
>> such as Zoe's, never would happen, Clearly, from the reactions
>> on the email lists, a gender topic is very threatening to a number
>> of members.
>
>That's a quite a toxic statement.
>
>It's hard to think of a project more egalitarian than OSM. Which is why
>
>people object to the gender-baiting. It's not because they feel 
>threatened, it's because it's so divisive.
>
>Joel
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Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Harald Kliems]

Dear Zoe:
Thanks for doing the study -- I saw it posted earlier in OSM Weekly. I look
forward to seeing the results, whatever they may be.  And I'm quite ashamed
(but not surprised) by the open hostility your study is facing on this list
and elsewhere.

Best,
 Harald (hobbesvsboyle)

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:51 AM Zoe Gardner  wrote:

> Dear All
>
> Further to my email yesterday regard, I would like to reassure subscribers
> here that the research is bona fide. I included a link to my University
> webpage in the original post which I thought would give the survey the
> required credence.
>
> I agree with Charlotte that it would have been more credible to send the
> post from my University email and this was my error. Apologies for any lack
> of uncertainty in this respect. Please do complete the survey if you are
> inclined!
>
> Best wishes
> Zoe
>
> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 7:36 PM,  wrote:
>
>> If it helps, I can confirm that I have met the researcher concerned at an
>> OSM meetup in Nottingham. We talked about the project a bit, and what's
>> been said about the research here doesn't differ from what was s‎aid then.
>>
>> Happy to answer questions from the US board if anyone thinks it will add
>> to the "web of trust" here :)
>>
>>
>> *From: *Charlotte Wolter
>> *Sent: *Monday, 4 September 2017 19:25
>> *To: *Talk-US@openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject: *[Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM
>>
>> Follks,
>>
>> It would be nice if we could get some confirmation that this is
>> a real research projects being done by an actual researcher at Nottingham.
>> If it is legit, why is the return email address from Gmail rather than the
>> university?
>> Is there some mechanism that we can set up to confirm that the
>> research is for real, such as running it through the US board first? I
>> don't mind contributing to a survey. I just want to be sure it is for real.
>>
>> Charlotte
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Zoe Gardner 
>> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org ...snip... talk...@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear OSM talk subscriber
>>
>> I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the
>> University of Nottingham in the UK, interested in participation biases in
>> geospatial crowd-sourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered
>> Geographical Information (VGI) projects. My current research project is
>> concerned with the way in which participation biases in OSM may potentially
>> affect the usability of the data that is collected and subsequently what is
>> available to location-based service providers that use OSM as their primary
>> geospatial database.
>> The project is motivated by recent research that has found a strong male
>> bias in OSM participation. This has led to assertions that various
>> geospatial knowledge could be under represented or poorly recorded on the
>> map. However, the actual consequences of this bias remain little explored
>> or reported. By collecting information about contributors to OSM, which can
>> then be analyzed along with their editing patterns, the impacts of this
>> bias might begin to be measured and therefore better understood. I have
>> therefore published an online survey designed to collect information
>> directly from OSM editors and I would like to invite as many of you as
>> possible to participate. The survey is anonymous and takes a couple of
>> minutes to complete.
>> If you are an OSM contributor and are interested in or would like to
>> participate in the study, please click on the link below, which will take
>> you to the Bristol Online Survey website where you will find more
>> information and an opportunity to participate in the survey. As a small
>> incentive, at the close of the survey in a few weeks' time, 60 respondents
>> will be drawn at random to receive a £15 Amazon voucher.
>> To participate in the survey, click on the link below:
>> https://nottingham.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/osm-user-profiles
>> Please do think about participating. It is hoped that knowledge about the
>> way participation biases impact on crowd-sourced maps will enable new
>> strategies to be developed to address any resulting voids in the geospatial
>> information provided by amateur mappers. In turn this could strengthen the
>> role played by platforms such as OSM in urban planning and sustainability,
>> and could raise the profile of the important mapping work that you all do.
>> In the meantime, if you would like to know more about me, my research
>> activities or the project, please visit my University webpage (link below)
>> and do not hesitate to get in touch directly or via the OSM messaging
>> service.
>> https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/engineering/people/zoe.gardner
>> Thank you
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] Surveys and studies

[Joel Holdsworth]

On 05/09/17 12:07, Charlotte Wolter wrote:

If someone named Allessanbdro were in charge, a study,
such as Zoe's, never would happen, Clearly, from the reactions
on the email lists, a gender topic is very threatening to a number
of members.


That's a quite a toxic statement.

It's hard to think of a project more egalitarian than OSM. Which is why 
people object to the gender-baiting. It's not because they feel 
threatened, it's because it's so divisive.


Joel

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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Joel Holdsworth]

Because the very notion that it is relevant to study OSM by gender is 
divisive.


Who cares what the gender balance of contributors to OSM is? I don't. I 
didn't even know what the split was until this thread. Because it 
literally doesn't matter.


Even it were 99% women, it wouldn't matter. So long as everyone has a 
chance to contribute if they want to.


Some people are saying about how awful it is to have a gender bias in 
the mapped data. If it were 99% women, I would imagine there might be 
better detail about the women's toilets. In that case, I would add data 
about the men's. No one owes me an apology, or a commitment to change 
their mapping habits. The solution starts with me - "Be the change you 
want to see."


It's simple - whatever gender, race, social group you are, come and use 
OSM. If some data you care about is missing, get mapping!



Joel




On 05/09/17 12:14, Charlotte Wolter wrote:


My goodness, all this anxiety! Why are you feeling that
you have to justify what you map, just because someone is
studying it by gender?

Charlotte



At 10:10 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 08:25:33 +0200 Marc Gemis  
wrote: > One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female 
hygiene > products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to map 
that, > without access to women's toilets ? > > The real question for 
me is are men more likely going to map shop=car > than 
shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/ ... (sorry for the > 
stereotyping) > will men map leisure=playground or amenity=pub ? > 
will a roman catholic map a mosque ? > will a non-dog owner map 
leisure=dog_park ? > > in short: will we map everything we see or do 
we map only our > interests ? Furthermore, do we really see everything 
or do we only see > (and map) things we are conditioned to ? > > This 
is not about buildings, addresses, roads and paths. They are

> pretty gender neutral I think. It's about POIs.

I know I map what I see (or more precisely, what my camera
captures). If it doesn't have a sign out front, I don't map it.
To take an example from the midwives vs. strip clubs debate,
the phone book lists seven midwives and/or midwife groups
in the Spokane area. Of those, three are attached to hospitals
and one to a community-health clinic, and so wouldn't have
signs. Two are operating out of private homes and don't have
signs (and I wouldn't map them if they did, just like I don't map
lawn care or computer repair businesses operating out of
private homes).
The last one is in the 95% of the city I haven't yet photo-mapped.
The phone book lists zero strip clubs in the Spokane area.
Despite that, I've found and mapped one strip club: it was on a
major street and had a clear sign out front.
Yes, there's a bias in my mapping, but it's a bias towards
"things identifiable from the street." I'm more likely to map a car
store than a clothes store, because car stores are generally
not found inside shopping malls. Playgrounds beat pubs,
because every playground is visible from the street.  And this
non-dog-owner didn't map the dog park, because it was
already mapped by the time I got started.

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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Charlotte Wolter]

My goodness, all this anxiety! Why are you feeling that
you have to justify what you map, just because someone is
studying it by gender?

Charlotte



At 10:10 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 08:25:33 +0200 Marc Gemis  
wrote: > One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female 
hygiene > products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to 
map that, > without access to women's toilets ? > > The real 
question for me is are men more likely going to map shop=car > than 
shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/ ... (sorry for the > 
stereotyping) > will men map leisure=playground or amenity=pub ? > 
will a roman catholic map a mosque ? > will a non-dog owner map 
leisure=dog_park ? > > in short: will we map everything we  see or 
do we map only our > interests ? Furthermore, do we really see 
everything or do we only see > (and map) things we are conditioned 
to ? > > This is not about buildings, addresses, roads and paths. They are

> pretty gender neutral I think. It's about POIs.

I know I map what I see (or more precisely, what my camera
captures). If it doesn't have a sign out front, I don't map it.
To take an example from the midwives vs. strip clubs debate,
the phone book lists seven midwives and/or midwife groups
in the Spokane area. Of those, three are attached to hospitals
and one to a community-health clinic, and so wouldn't have
signs. Two are operating out of private homes and don't have
signs (and I wouldn't map them if they did, just like I don't map
lawn care or computer repair businesses operating out of
private homes).
The last one is in the 95% of the city I haven't yet photo-mapped.
The phone book lists zero strip clubs in the Spokane area.
Despite that, I've found and mapped one strip club: it was on a
major street and had a clear sign out front.
Yes, there's a bias in my mapping, but it's a bias towards
"things identifiable from the street." I'm more likely to map a car
store than a clothes store, because car stores are generally
not found inside shopping malls. Playgrounds beat pubs,
because every playground is visible from the street.  And this
non-dog-owner didn't map the dog park, because it was
already mapped by the time I got started.

-- Mark
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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Charlotte Wolter]

Nick,

This is a study, not a manifesto. All this researcher is doing
is looking for gender bias, IF it exists, in OSM mapping.
So, I have to ask, what would you do if she does find certain
areas of gender bias in OSM and reports them? Would you be
angry and quit mapping? Would you ignore the report? Or would
you make subtle changes in your mapping to avoid that bias?
The choice is yours.

Charlotte


At 02:53 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote:



We are, mostly, volunteers. Therefore I think we should map
whatever takes our fancy and should not feel obliged to spend
our time/money on mapping that we do not want to do willingly.
If the location-based service providers find that certain info is
missing that they would like to have, then maybe they could pay
someone to collect the data, or even better, do it themselves.
If you can convince mappers to alter their mapping habits, well
and good, but trying to shame or threaten them into doing so
will just destroy whatever community there is.
Your statement (highly paraphrased) of "If you don't map what I
want you to map, then nobody is going to want to use your data"
may not be the best way to win people over to your cause.

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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

[angelo mornata]

Direi che non è più percorribile, soprattutto perchè era taggato come sentiero 
per mountain bike, se uno ci si infila con la bici si rompe il collo.

Angelo




Da: emmexx 
Inviato: martedì 5 settembre 2017 17:55
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

On 09/05/2017 05:34 PM, angelo mornata wrote:
> All'inizio sembrava un sentiero normale poi è diventato impraticabile,
> l'acqua ha scavato buche da 1 metro i rovi lo hanno quasi comletamente
> sommerso 99%.
>
> Attualmente ho usato l'escamotage di mettere "Impraticabile" come nome
> del sentiero, così appare sulla cartina.
>
> Ma cosa devo fare esattamente?

O anche abandoned http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned:
[http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/thumb/9/93/Abandoned-shop-arty.JPG/200px-Abandoned-shop-arty.JPG]

Key:abandoned: - OpenStreetMap 
Wiki
wiki.openstreetmap.org
Description. The abandoned: lifecycle prefix can be added to tags that relate 
to features that have fallen into serious disrepair and which could only be put 
back ...



Dipende da cosa ritieni prevalente: il sentiero è ancora percorribile
anche se con grande difficoltà oppure non è più percorribile, nessuno lo
usa più?

ciao
maxx


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Re: [Talk-it] Sede parco

[angelo mornata]

l'ho presa da un'estensione edifici pubblici, anche a me è sembrata non troppo 
calzante, c'è un'altro modo per definire la sede di un parco che è nello stesso 
edificio del comune?

Grazie

Angelo


Da: Ivo Reano 
Inviato: lunedì 4 settembre 2017 20:13
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Sede parco

>l'ho identificato come "Servizi/edificio pubblico/ stazione dei renger"   
>"Amenity ranger_station"è corretto?

RENGER? Ma in Italia si chiama guardia forestale o guardaparco?

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Re: [Talk-it] Vandalisi in atto Trieste

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Adesso ha cambiato lo username nel cognome del sindaco di Trieste [1]... e
sta completando la metropolitana con una linea che arriva fina sul Carso.

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Dipiazza

Il giorno 5 settembre 2017 13:07, Marco_T  ha scritto:

> Ciao,
> ho fatto alcuni commenti a dei changset sospetti (in realtà molto è
> sospetto).
> Purtroppo alcuni danni son grossi e ciò mi fa dispiacere per chi si è
> dedicato con passione a mappare molto bene Trieste. Se non chiarisce la sua
> posizione concordo con Cascafico.
> Invito anche chi conosce la zona di Bolzano a dare un occhio nei dintorni
> di
> Brunico e San Vigilio...
> Saluti.
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Champs phone : futur projet du mois ?

[Raphael Jacquot]

On 09/05/2017 06:27 PM, marc marc wrote:
> Résumé
> Pour le champs phone, les numéros à convertir de 0 en +33 sont :
> +331
> +332
> +333
> +334
> +335
> +336

  +3370xxx

> +3373xxx
> +3374xxx
> +3375xxx
> +3376xxx
> +3377xxx
> +3378xxx
> +3379xxx
> +33870xx
> +339
> 
> les numéros à ne PAS convertir ou à migrer en phone:FR
> 1x
> 1xx
> 1x
> 080
> 
> status inconnu (à tester ou ne pas toucher vu le doute)
> 070
> 071
> 072
> 
> le plan de numérotation français
> https://www.arcep.fr/?id=8146#c7916
> 
> j'ai trouvé une librairie de programme à ce sujet
> https://github.com/googlei18n/libphonenumber/
> 
> avec une entrée de la faq parlant de la source des infos
>> https://github.com/googlei18n/libphonenumber/blob/master/FAQ.md#where-do-we-get-information-from-to-determine-if-a-number-range-is-valid
> 
> J'arrête les résumés sur ce point, je pense qu'il y a
> déjà assez à faire, on pourrait affiner la liste
> si tout les points ci-dessus sont traités.
> mais libre à quelqu'un continuer une liste
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Champs phone : futur projet du mois ?

[marc marc]

Résumé
Pour le champs phone, les numéros à convertir de 0 en +33 sont :
+331
+332
+333
+334
+335
+336
+3373xxx
+3374xxx
+3375xxx
+3376xxx
+3377xxx
+3378xxx
+3379xxx
+33870xx
+339

les numéros à ne PAS convertir ou à migrer en phone:FR
1x
1xx
1x
080

status inconnu (à tester ou ne pas toucher vu le doute)
070
071
072

le plan de numérotation français
https://www.arcep.fr/?id=8146#c7916

j'ai trouvé une librairie de programme à ce sujet
https://github.com/googlei18n/libphonenumber/

avec une entrée de la faq parlant de la source des infos
> https://github.com/googlei18n/libphonenumber/blob/master/FAQ.md#where-do-we-get-information-from-to-determine-if-a-number-range-is-valid

J'arrête les résumés sur ce point, je pense qu'il y a
déjà assez à faire, on pourrait affiner la liste
si tout les points ci-dessus sont traités.
mais libre à quelqu'un continuer une liste
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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Togliere i rovi non è un lavoro che implica spese eccessive, poi i sentieri
si auto-aggiustano con la percorrenza attorno ai buchi, quindi abandoned
("could only be put back into operation with expensive effort") potrebbe
essere  un po' troppo: perciò, oltre alla trail_visibility che ti hanno
segnalato, ci sarebbe anche il prefisso disused.

Cerco di interpretare la wiki, altrimenti in italiano un sentiero
abbandonato è abandoned



Il giorno 5 settembre 2017 17:55, emmexx  ha scritto:

> On 09/05/2017 05:34 PM, angelo mornata wrote:
> > All'inizio sembrava un sentiero normale poi è diventato impraticabile,
> > l'acqua ha scavato buche da 1 metro i rovi lo hanno quasi comletamente
> > sommerso 99%.
> >
> > Attualmente ho usato l'escamotage di mettere "Impraticabile" come nome
> > del sentiero, così appare sulla cartina.
> >
> > Ma cosa devo fare esattamente?
>
> O anche abandoned http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned:
>
> Dipende da cosa ritieni prevalente: il sentiero è ancora percorribile
> anche se con grande difficoltà oppure non è più percorribile, nessuno lo
> usa più?
>
> ciao
> maxx
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Re: [Talk-it] tracce scomparse

[bruno . bia]

Gli altri sentieri sul mio Garmin li vedo.

Questo sentiero 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.61314=12.95729#map=17/41.61314/12.95729
 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.61314=12.95729#map=17/41.61314/12.95729
  l'ho mappato io qualche tempo fà ed era visibile sul mio dispositivo con le 
OpenMTBmap. 

Ora mi sono accorto che un altro utente le ha ritoccate aggiungendo dei tag e 
mi sono sparite dal Garmin. Ho provato ad istallarle con vari aggiornamenti e 
con settaggi diversi (Classic, Wide,  ecc.) ma il risultato non cambia.

> 
> Il 5 settembre 2017 alle 15.25 Alessandro Palmas 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Il 05/09/2017 15:12, bruno@libero.it ha scritto:
> >
> 
> > > 
> > Scusatemi ma sono un pò arrugginito con l'uso della lista
> > 
> > Provo ad inserire due link di tracce che non "vedo" sul mio Garmin 
> > 800:
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.6469=12.9993#map=16/41.6469/12.9993
> >  
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.6469=12.9993#map=16/41.6469/12.9993
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.61314=12.95729#map=17/41.61314/12.95729
> >  
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.61314=12.95729#map=17/41.61314/12.95729
> > 
> > Fatemi sapere se vanno bene o c'è bisogno di altro.
> > 
> > > 
> OK, le tracce su OSM sono presenti e mappate con i tag necessari.
> 
> Vedo che i due sentieri sono presenti da circa un anno, quindi tutte le
> mappe aggiornate da almeno 10 mesi dovrebbero comprenderli e
> visualizzarli. Gli altri sentieri presenti in zona li vedi? Da quale
> sito hai scaricato la mappa? La mappa che hai sul Garmin ha qualche
> visualizzazione particolare per MTB?
> 
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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

[emmexx]

On 09/05/2017 05:34 PM, angelo mornata wrote:
> All'inizio sembrava un sentiero normale poi è diventato impraticabile,
> l'acqua ha scavato buche da 1 metro i rovi lo hanno quasi comletamente
> sommerso 99%.
> 
> Attualmente ho usato l'escamotage di mettere "Impraticabile" come nome
> del sentiero, così appare sulla cartina.
> 
> Ma cosa devo fare esattamente?

O anche abandoned http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned:

Dipende da cosa ritieni prevalente: il sentiero è ancora percorribile
anche se con grande difficoltà oppure non è più percorribile, nessuno lo
usa più?

ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

[emmexx]

On 09/05/2017 05:34 PM, angelo mornata wrote:
> All'inizio sembrava un sentiero normale poi è diventato impraticabile,
> l'acqua ha scavato buche da 1 metro i rovi lo hanno quasi comletamente
> sommerso 99%.
> 
> Attualmente ho usato l'escamotage di mettere "Impraticabile" come nome
> del sentiero, così appare sulla cartina.
> 
> Ma cosa devo fare esattamente?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility

ciao
maxx


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[Talk-it] Sentiero diventato impraticabile

[angelo mornata]

All'inizio sembrava un sentiero normale poi è diventato impraticabile, l'acqua 
ha scavato buche da 1 metro i rovi lo hanno quasi comletamente sommerso 99%.

Attualmente ho usato l'escamotage di mettere "Impraticabile" come nome del 
sentiero, così appare sulla cartina.

Ma cosa devo fare esattamente?

Grazie

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Re: [Talk-cl] experimentos con osm-history-renderer

[Danilo Lacoste]

quedarían mejor si algun audiovisual uniera estos videos, con musica y
todo. por ahí si te creo jajaj


2017-09-01 18:22 GMT-03:00 Marcelo Aliaga :
> Está de lujo!
>
> 2017-09-01 17:04 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
>>
>> Estimados,
>>
>> he estado realizando algunos experimentos con los scripts de
>> https://github.com/MaZderMind/osm-history-renderer
>> aqui algunos resultados.
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/dalacost/albums/72157688442378515/with/36825510821/
>>
>> son 2 videos con historial del 2008-2017 y una imagen de santiago en
>> resolución gigante (15360 × 8640 píxeles )
>>
>> envío esto a la lista, por que era una vieja promesa que algún día
>> realicé jejejej; esto es solo un experimento y si alguien necesita que
>> se genere alguna zona en especial puede pedirme aquí.
>>
>> sería ideal si algún audiovisual se interese en realizar un video con
>> algunas de estas fuentes.
>>
>> saludos.
>>
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[Talk-cz] Import dat do QGisu

[Vladimír Semotán]

Zdravím,

přihlásil jsem se do této konference, protože hledám radu. Pokud jsem
přehlídl nějaká pravidla, nebo budu působit svým prvním příspěvkem jako
někdo, kdo jen bere, ale nic nedává, omlouvám se předem. Na druhou stranu,
pokud se mi podaří problém vyřešit, budu mít pravděpodobně OSM data ČR na
očích řadu týdnů a třeba mohu být i něčím užitečný. Třeba. Jedná se o 3D
vizualizaci s použitím detailních ortofot.

Tedy:
Rád bych využili OSM data v práci, ale nedaří se mi je správně importovat
do QGisu. Viz:
https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/254282/importing-large-osm-data-to-qgis-failed-using-quickosm-spatiallite-layer-or-ad/254325#254325

Stáhl jsem balík z Geofabrik.de. Aktualizoval QGis i QuickOSM plugin. Mám
celkem dobré PC (core i7, 16GB RAM, SSD disky..., Win 10 pro).

V první fázi se chystám importovat budovy:

- Mělo by fungovat "přidat vektorovou vrstvu" z menu. Ale to ukazuje 0
prvků (linie, polygony i body)
- Měl by fungovalt import souboru přes QuickOSM plugin. Ale ten, zdá se,
skončí úspěšně pouze u menšího balíku dat.
- Import přes SpatialLite vrstvu sice importuje vše, ale díry v polygonu
(nádvoří domů) jsou špatně a krom toho chybí atributy (tagy) z relací.
- Import přes PostGIS vrstvu imprtuje vše, dokonce nádvoří domů jsou
vpořádku, ale opět schází atributy jako "building:levels" nebo ruian
atributy.

Jsem z toho trochu zoufalý. Googlím již několik dnů, zkouším importy přes
noc, snaha by byla, úspěch nevalný. Nyní jsem se rozhodl, že se zkusím
ptát. Věděl-li by někdo, kudy do toho, budu mu vděčný.


Díky a přeji pěkný den!

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Re: [Talk-cz] Rozbijeni dat pomoci relation

[Janda Martin]

Napriklad Changeset: #50808612 

Obdelnik rozdelen na 2 cesty, ktere maji puvodni tagy building:part 
- uprava malostranskeho namesti 

Jiz jsem to opravil. 

LineString - Record{id=480991017, values=building:levels=4, 
building:min_level=1, building:part=yes, roof:shape=flat} 
LineString - Record{id=512586819, values=building:levels=4, 
building:min_level=1, building:part=yes, roof:shape=flat} 


From: "Marián Kyral"  
To: "OpenStreetMap Czech Republic"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:17:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Rozbijeni dat pomoci relation 

A byl by nějaký příklad? Co přesně se tím myslí? A kdo to dělá? 

Marián 


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Dobry den, 

narazil jsem na problem ze pri vytvareni novych relation se rozbiji stare 
polygony. Myslim ze pro male objekty je lepsi relation nepouzivat. Jednodussi 
je duplikovat nekolik segmentu cary. 
Editace relation je problematicka a v JOSM neni dobre podporene a chybi i 
vynucena validace pred commitem. 

M 

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Re: [Talk-cz] Rozbijeni dat pomoci relation

[jzvc]

Dne 5.9.2017 v 15:56 Janda Martin napsal(a):

Dobry den,

   narazil jsem na problem ze pri vytvareni novych relation se rozbiji stare 
polygony. Myslim ze pro male objekty je lepsi relation nepouzivat. Jednodussi 
je duplikovat nekolik segmentu cary.
Editace relation je problematicka a v JOSM neni dobre podporene a chybi i 
vynucena validace pred commitem.


Cus, a co je mineno vytvarenim novych relation? JOSM je naopak jediny 
editor ktery relace jakoz takoz zvlada.


V principu muze node/way byt primo clenem 0-N relaci, pripadne muze 
relace byt clenem jine relace. Pokud ale nekdo neodebere prvek z puvodni 
relace, urcite ji nerozbije.


A rozhodne neni dobry napad cokoli kdekoli duplikovat.



   M

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[Marián Kyral]

A byl by nějaký příklad? Co přesně se tím myslí? A kdo to dělá?

Marián


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"Dobry den,

narazil jsem na problem ze pri vytvareni novych relation se rozbiji stare 
polygony. Myslim ze pro male objekty je lepsi relation nepouzivat.
Jednodussi je duplikovat nekolik segmentu cary.
Editace relation je problematicka a v JOSM neni dobre podporene a chybi i 
vynucena validace pred commitem.

M

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Re: [Talk-it] tracce scomparse

[Volker Schmidt]

@Bruno

Non vedi le tracce dove? Nella mappa installata sul tuo navigatore edge 800
o nel archivio traccie nel tuo navigatore edge 800?
Se manca nella mappa: che mappa hai installata e quando lo hai aggiornata?

Volker




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[Talk-cz] Rozbijeni dat pomoci relation

[Janda Martin]

Dobry den,

  narazil jsem na problem ze pri vytvareni novych relation se rozbiji stare 
polygony. Myslim ze pro male objekty je lepsi relation nepouzivat. Jednodussi 
je duplikovat nekolik segmentu cary.
Editace relation je problematicka a v JOSM neni dobre podporene a chybi i 
vynucena validace pred commitem.

  M

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Re: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017

[Marián Kyral]

Je to špatné, je to špatné.
Původně jsem chtěl být v Ostravě, ale nakonec jsem musel zůstat v Praze. Ale
ani ta Praha aktuálně moc nevypadá, mám v osm večer vyzvednout nějaký
balíček na Stodůlkách, takže na 99% asi tentokrát vynechám :-(

Marián


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Předmět: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017
"Ahoj, zítra mají být kvartální piva, tabulka je zatím téměř prázdná.
Opravdu není zájem?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12zGtW414R9se_g_87FdmpHj2B6xO1gf5mG94
avTmFb4/edit#gid=712442949

Milan

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Re: [Talk-it] tracce scomparse

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 05/09/2017 15:12, bruno@libero.it ha scritto:


Scusatemi ma sono un pò arrugginito con l'uso della lista

Provo ad inserire due link di tracce che non "vedo" sul mio Garmin 800:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.6469=12.9993#map=16/41.6469/12.9993

https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.61314=12.95729#map=17/41.61314/12.95729

Fatemi sapere se vanno bene o c'è bisogno di altro.




OK, le tracce su OSM sono presenti e mappate con i tag necessari.

Vedo che i due sentieri sono presenti da circa un anno, quindi tutte le 
mappe aggiornate da almeno 10 mesi dovrebbero comprenderli e 
visualizzarli. Gli altri sentieri presenti in zona li vedi? Da quale 
sito hai scaricato la mappa? La mappa che hai sul Garmin ha qualche 
visualizzazione particolare per MTB?


Alessandro

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[bruno . bia]

Scusatemi ma sono un pò arrugginito con l'uso della lista

Provo ad inserire due link di tracce che non "vedo" sul mio Garmin 800:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.6469=12.9993#map=16/41.6469/12.9993 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.6469=12.9993#map=16/41.6469/12.9993

https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.61314=12.95729#map=17/41.61314/12.95729
 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.61314=12.95729#map=17/41.61314/12.95729

Fatemi sapere se vanno bene o c'è bisogno di altro.


Bruno


> Il 5 settembre 2017 alle 14.14 Alessandro Palmas 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Il 05/09/2017 12:44, Bruno ha scritto:
> 
> > > Salve a tutti. Qual­cuno sa dirmi come mai non vedo più 
> sul mio Garmin Edge 800 delle tracce (che ho mappato io e sono state 
> modificate da un altro utente) che sulle open sono visibili, ma nel 
> dispositivo no.
> > 
> > Bruno
> > 
> > > Riprendo la risposta che ti diedero alcuni giorni fa: se ci dai 
> > qualche dettaglio in più forse ti potremmo aiutare
> 
> 
> Il 29/08/2017 18:00, girarsi_liste ha scritto:
> 
> > > 
> > Il 28/08/2017 22:55, Bruno ha scritto:
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > Salve a tutti. Qualcuno sa dirmi come mai non vedo più sul 
> > > mio Garmin Edge 800 delle tracce (che  tra l'altro ho pubblicato io) che 
> > > sulle open sono visibili, ma nel dispositivo no. 
> > > Bruno 
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > Non avendo la sfera magica, di che tracce parli, e in quale zona?
> > 
> > open che significa?
> > 
> > Un pò di chiarezza, magari anche un pò più prolissa, in più non 
> > sarebbe
> > male.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 


 

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Re: [Talk-cz] nahrávání fotek bodů záchrany

[Petr Vozdecký]

myslim, ze muze efektivne slouzit i jako potvrzeni, kde cedulka ma byt pro
pripadnou kontrolu, zda je na miste... tedy by ta fotka mela umoznit precist
kod, ale taky poznat, kde je umistena...

vop

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"Za mne nahravat, tagovani navrhuji emergency, ja to pak nejak upravim
abych to pripadne ignoroval pro rozcestniky (nebo muzu doplnit naopak
o kontroly vuci bodum zachrnay pokud bude zajem).

Bye

Dne 4. září 2017 16:23 Tomas Novotny  napsal(a):
> Ahoj,
>
> koukam, ze zatim je to bez odpovedi...
>
> Mam take par fotek bodu zachrany, ale pokud je rovnou zmapuji, fotka uz 
moc
> dalsich informaci neprinese (krome umisteni a pripadne kontroly preklepu).
> Takze osobne nevidim moc duvodu pro nahravani, ale pokud bude zajem, muzu
> zacit nahravat.
>
> Co na to ostatni?
>
> Diky,
>
> T.
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:51:18 +0200 (CEST)
> Zdeněk Pražák  wrote:
>
>> Chtěl jsem se zeptat, zda mám do databáze fotek rozcestníků nahrávat i
>> fotografie bodů záchrany - viz foto ID 16508 (bod záchrany HK011).
>>
>> pokud se budou jejich fotky nahrávat, pak by bylo vhodné těmto bodům
>> přiřadit vlastní ikonku
>>
>> Pražák
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Re: [Talk-it] Traduzione del Tasking Manager 3

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 05/09/2017 13:52, Paolo F ha scritto:


Mmmmh!!
Hai messo il link a LearnOSM, ma esiste un progetto a se stante per il 
"Tasking Manager 3" che tra l'altro risulta completo per la traduzione 
italiana: https://www.transifex.com/hotosm/tasking-manager-3/






Ciao,
il link che hai postato è la traduzione italiana del Tasking Manager 
(l'interfaccia utente), tutto il resto è la guida LearnOSM in italiano.


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sept Meeting

[Andy Robinson]

Those that know it’s now September would not have been put off by my  
suggestion that we were meeting last week! Anyway, I had a brain fart and did a 
little mapping over there anyway before realising my error! I mapped some of 
the town centre and the roads on the new housing estate on the south of the 
town.

 

Having been there we need to change pub as the Star probably won’t have food 
on. So instead the suggestion would be the Littleton Arms on the Clay Street 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/306301414 

http://www.thelittletonarms.com/

 

Is anyone else planning on being there THIS Thursday eve?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 August 2017 08:21
To: 'Brian Prangle'; 'OSM Group WM'
Subject: RE: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sept Meeting

 

No weatherspoons in Penkridge so can I suggest we meet in the Star on the 
Market Place:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/241056883

They serve food till 8:30pm.

See those who can make it tomorrow. I’ll be in the pub probably by 7:30pm as 
the light may be fading by then (sunset is a tad before 8)

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 25 August 2017 08:35
To: OSM Group WM
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sept Meeting

 

Hi everyone

I won't be able to make this, but I think we agreed on Penkridge. Have fun!

Regards

brian

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Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Jerry Clough - OSM]

Sorry, this was drawn to my attention.
I can vouch that Zoe Gardner is a researcher at Nottingham University 
Geospatial Institute. Her institutional webpage is here: Zoe Gardner - The 
University of Nottingham
  
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Zoe took the time to come along to the Nottingham OSM July meeting, and I've 
bumped into her at a University facility on the Jubilee Campus site when I had 
a further discussion of her research (and probably caused her coffee to get a 
bit cool, in which case my apologies). I also believe, and I think it is stated 
in some of her emails, that she is collaborating with Dr Peter Mooney of 
Maynooth University in Ireland. He was a co-editor on a recent scholarly 
multi-author book on OSM, and has presented work at various SotM conferences.
I have no affiliation with Nottingham University nor with her research. I 
therefore cannot say why her institutional email address has not been used, 
although I would expect that for this type of activity a distinct email address 
is probably useful to avoid confusion with regular day-job communications.
I have not checked, but normally research of this kind, storing personal data, 
will need some approval via an ethics committee. Furthermore institutions in 
Britain and Europe need to adhere to current (and future) European data 
protection legislation.
Requiring researchers to seek approval for their research via OSMF, or local 
chapters (affiliated or otherwise), would, in my view, raise a rather high bar 
for academics, and one which may be perceived to be contra OSM's openness. On 
the other hand the it may be appropriate for OSMF to consider guidelines w.r.t. 
collection of personal data of mappers for academic research, particularly as 
the new European directive comes into force next year.
HTH,
Jerry CloughSK53



  From: Charlotte Wolter 
 To: Talk-US@openstreetmap.org 
 Sent: Monday, 4 September 2017, 19:25
 Subject: [Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM
   
Follks,

  It wouldbe nice if we could get some confirmation that this is a real 
researchprojects being done by an actual researcher at Nottingham. If it 
islegit, why is the return email address from Gmail rather than theuniversity?
  Is theresome mechanism that we can set up to confirm that the 
research is forreal, such as running it through the US board first? I don't 
mindcontributing to a survey. I just want to be sure it is for real.

Charlotte




From: Zoe Gardner
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org ...snip... talk...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

 
 
Dear OSM talk subscriber
 
I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at theUniversity 
of Nottingham in the UK, interested in participation biases ingeospatial 
crowd-sourced projects such as OSM and other VolunteeredGeographical 
Information (VGI) projects. My current research project isconcerned with the 
way in which participation biases in OSM maypotentially affect the usability of 
the data that is collected andsubsequently what is available to location-based 
service providers thatuse OSM as their primary geospatial database.
The project is motivated by recent research that has found a strong malebias in 
OSM participation. This has led to assertions that variousgeospatial knowledge 
could be under represented or poorly recorded on themap. However, the actual 
consequences of this bias remain little exploredor reported. By collecting 
information about contributors to OSM, whichcan then be analyzed along with 
their editing patterns, the impacts ofthis bias might begin to be measured and 
therefore better understood. Ihave therefore published an online survey 
designed to collect informationdirectly from OSM editors and I would like to 
invite as many of you aspossible to participate. The survey is anonymous and 
takes a couple ofminutes to complete.
If you are an OSM contributor and are interested in or would like toparticipate 
in the study, please click on the link below, which will takeyou to the Bristol 
Online Survey website where you will find moreinformation and an opportunity to 
participate in the survey. As a smallincentive, at the close of the survey in a 
few weeks' time, 60respondents will be drawn at random to receive a £15 Amazon 
voucher.
To participate in the survey, click on the link below:
https://nottingham.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/osm-user-profiles
Please do think about participating. It is hoped that knowledge about theway 
participation biases impact on crowd-sourced maps will enable newstrategies to 
be developed to address any resulting voids in thegeospatial information 
provided by amateur mappers. In turn this couldstrengthen the role played by 
platforms such as OSM in urban planning andsustainability, and could raise the 
profile of the important 

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Surveys and studies

[john whelan]

Do we want to set up or partner with someone as a partner, as is the
fashionable way these days, our own base survey?

To do it properly it would need some planning.  Alessandro might have some
ideas or contacts.  Note to Alessandro this is very preliminary at the
moment.

As background to the OpenStreetMap mailing group I first posted this on HOT
and the message is below.  We had two researchers doing very similar
questions and neither were getting the number of responses they would like.

Statistics Canada likes to recycle or reuse survey data were possible, its
cheaper than running yet another survey for a start.

The implications need thinking through.

So thoughts?

Cheerio John



On 5 September 2017 at 03:29, joost schouppe 
wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Makes a lot of sense to me. We could possible make a kind of code of
> conduct for survey researching the OSM community. That could very well be
> part of a project Frank, Peter and I are launching: http://www.
> openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/diary/42134
>
> I think it would be really helpful if we set up a survey engine under the
> wings of the OSMF. That would make it easier to re-use surveys and share
> experiences and data between researchers. Also we could include a review
> proces before launching the questionaire, so e.g. questions can be
> internationalized (even if this is not a priority for the researcher
> themselves).
>
> 2017-09-04 22:20 GMT+02:00 john whelan :
>
>> At Statistics Canada they have a concept of respondent burden.  Basically
>> it means you try to limit the number of questions you ask people whilst
>> still trying to get the answers in.  Is this information available from
>> another survey?
>>
>> May I suggest a more formal arrangement where a survey is organised say
>> every three / six months and researchers submit their questions to be
>> included in the survey?  This is done for a number of surveys at Statistics
>> Canada and is a useful way to include one or two additional / supplementary
>> questions to a survey.
>>
>> The advantage to the people running the studies is hopefully a wider set
>> of respondents making their surveys more statistically valid.  The
>> advantage to the mappers are fewer messages in the mailing lists and fewer
>> surveys asking to be completed.
>>
>> At the very least I'm sure Zoe and Laura could see if the data from their
>> surveys could feed the other.
>>
>> There are other things that could be done such as random sampling then
>> following up with the randomly selected sample this reduces self selection.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks John
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Re: [Talk-it] tracce scomparse

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 05/09/2017 12:44, Bruno ha scritto:


Salve a tutti. Qual­cuno sa dirmi come mai non vedo più sul mio Garmin 
Edge 800 delle tracce (che ho mappato io e sono state modificate da un 
altro utente) che sulle open sono visibili, ma nel dispositivo no.


Bruno



Riprendo la risposta che ti diedero alcuni giorni fa: se ci dai qualche 
dettaglio in più forse ti potremmo aiutare



Il 29/08/2017 18:00, girarsi_liste ha scritto:

Il 28/08/2017 22:55, Bruno ha scritto:

Salve a tutti. Qualcuno sa dirmi come mai non vedo più sul mio Garmin Edge 800 
delle tracce (che  tra l'altro ho pubblicato io) che sulle open sono visibili, 
ma nel dispositivo no.
Bruno

Non avendo la sfera magica, di che tracce parli, e in quale zona?

open che significa?

Un pò di chiarezza, magari anche un pò più prolissa, in più non sarebbe
male.





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Re: [Talk-it] Traduzione del Tasking Manager 3

[Paolo F]

2017-09-04 16:53 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Palmas :

> I pochi che partecipano già alla traduzione di LearnOSM avranno già
> ricevuta la mail: da pochi giorni su Transifex (1) sono disponibili le
> stringhe che tradurranno in italiano la versione 3 del Tasking Manager HOT
> (2)
> La versione 3 porta molti cambiamenti e nuove caratteristiche.
>
> Invito le persone di buona volontà a contribuire alla traduzione. Vista la
> poca propensione verso la lingua inglese il Tasking Manager gestito da
> Wikimedia Italia (3) rimarrà fermo all'attuale versione sino a quando la
> traduzione non sarà completa.
>

Mmmmh!!
Hai messo il link a LearnOSM, ma esiste un progetto a se stante per il
"Tasking Manager 3" che tra l'altro risulta completo per la traduzione
italiana: https://www.transifex.com/hotosm/tasking-manager-3/


Ciao, Paolo


> Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT
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> 2) http://tm3.hotosm.org/contribute
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Re: [Talk-cz] nahrávání fotek bodů záchrany

[Tom Ka]

Za mne nahravat, tagovani navrhuji emergency, ja to pak nejak upravim
abych to pripadne ignoroval pro rozcestniky (nebo muzu doplnit naopak
o kontroly vuci bodum zachrnay pokud bude zajem).

Bye

Dne 4. září 2017 16:23 Tomas Novotny  napsal(a):
> Ahoj,
>
> koukam, ze zatim je to bez odpovedi...
>
> Mam take par fotek bodu zachrany, ale pokud je rovnou zmapuji, fotka uz moc
> dalsich informaci neprinese (krome umisteni a pripadne kontroly preklepu).
> Takze osobne nevidim moc duvodu pro nahravani, ale pokud bude zajem, muzu
> zacit nahravat.
>
> Co na to ostatni?
>
> Diky,
>
> T.
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:51:18 +0200 (CEST)
> Zdeněk Pražák  wrote:
>
>> Chtěl jsem se zeptat, zda mám do databáze fotek rozcestníků nahrávat i
>> fotografie bodů záchrany - viz foto ID 16508 (bod záchrany HK011).
>>
>> pokud se budou jejich fotky nahrávat, pak by bylo vhodné těmto bodům
>> přiřadit vlastní ikonku
>>
>> Pražák
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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Philip Barnes]

I am not sure pubs are a good thing to compare but I have certainly mapped 
playgrounds as I find them, no particular interest beyond trying to complete 
the map of my home town. Finding them does take time, they are not as easy to 
map as pubs (big buildings on the main roads).

We are not a huge community hence things like pubs can be surveyed just by 
driving through a place so there is going to be a bias, they are the low 
hanging fruit so to speak. 

Using playgrounds as an example, I believe I have mapped them all in my home 
town, 8 in town of 5000. But mapping such things as playgrounds does take a 
serious amount of time and shoe leather. 

Phil (trigpoint) 


On 5 September 2017 11:43:01 BST, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>While I agree that changing peoples mapping habits is possible by
>posting about certain mapping subjects, or developing apps, I do not
>see why it is wrong to question whether a typical mapper only maps
>what interests him/her or whether they also map other stuff.
>
>I map a lot of items in which I have no personal interest, but because
>I know other people are interested and because I want to work on the
>best map possible.
>Are there other mappers that map e.g. playgrounds (even if they do not
>have children) ? Or are playgrounds mainly mapped by people with young
>children?
>
>Is not it worth to investigate this type of mapping habits ?
>
>
>m
>
>p.s. Who said you have to start mapping what you do not want to map? I
>might have missed this with all the cross posting going on.
>
>On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Nick Hocking 
>wrote:
>> This is how it's done
>>
>>
>http://www.dw.com/en/online-map-shows-wheelchair-accessible-locations-worldwide/a-15381244
>>
>> I met this bloke at SOTM Japan some years ago.   He didn't put out a
>> questionaire about whether non-disabled persons tended to tag less
>> accessability tags than disabled persons, because he already knew the
>> answer. He just went out and mapped them, created a website to
>support his
>> interest and got thousands of people interested in his project. Truly
>an
>> inspirational mapper.
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero attrezzato (no ferrata)

[Massimiliano Guidi]

Il giorno mar 5 set 2017 alle ore 10:29 Lorenzo Milesi 
ha scritto:

>
> Come si deve taggare un percorso escursionistico dove però sono presenti
> delle catene? Non è da considerarsi alpinistico, e nemmeno una via ferrata
> (credo), è solo un tratto dove per sicurezza sono stati messe catene o
> pedane per il passaggio.
>

Anche se è una catena si mappa come cavo
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:safety_rope

Le altre misure di sicurezza qui
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:assisted_trail

Le ferrate sono effettivamente un'altra cosa, sono attrezzate per
assicurarsi. Suppongo possano esistere però casi intermedi in cui il
confine è labile.

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Re: [Talk-it] Vandalisi in atto Trieste

[Marco_T]

Ciao,
ho fatto alcuni commenti a dei changset sospetti (in realtà molto è
sospetto).
Purtroppo alcuni danni son grossi e ciò mi fa dispiacere per chi si è
dedicato con passione a mappare molto bene Trieste. Se non chiarisce la sua
posizione concordo con Cascafico.
Invito anche chi conosce la zona di Bolzano a dare un occhio nei dintorni di
Brunico e San Vigilio...
Saluti.



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Re: [Talk-it] Vandalisi in atto Trieste

[Marco_T]

Ciao,
ho fatto alcuni commenti a dei cambiamenti sospetti (in realtà molto è
sospetto...).
Alcuni danni son troppo grossi per lasciar correre e mi dispiace molto per
chi ha mappato con passione la zona di Trieste che è molto ben coperta. 
Invito anche chi conosce la zona di Bolzano a dare un occhio nei dintorni di
Brunico e San Vigilio...
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Re: [Talk-it] [Desiderata] HW per servizi

[totera]

Alessandro Palmas wrote
> Il 03/09/2017 18:58, totera ha scritto:
>> 
>> Mi capita fin troppo spesso di scoprire località minori promosse a town o
>> city, o nodi place anche di una certa importanza cancellati senza motivo;
>> di
>> solito me ne accorgo soltanto quando vengono aggiornati i livelli di zoom
>> minori...
>> Se fosse possibile creare un servizio che mostra le modifiche o le
>> cancellazioni fatte alle località di una certa zona, lo troverei molto
>> utile.
> 
> Servizi del genere ne esistono già parecchi:
> 
> Questi due possono inviarti un feed su un'area rettangolare che decidi tu
> http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/
> http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/
> 
> Qui un servizio simile
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcreatefeed
> 
> E poi c'è il bollettino delle cancellazioni di Paolo Geofrizz
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/cancellazioni/
> che oltre ai dati giornalieri ha anche la mappa divisa per regione delle 
> cancellazioni mensili
> qui ad esempio la mappa (cliccabile) delle cancellazioni in Calabria 
> dell'agosto scorso 
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/cancellazioni/2017-08/map_month_bdc_calabria_2017-08.html
> 
> più di così... :-)

Grazie per la risposta ricca di collegamenti.
Uso già da anni i feed di whodidit versione zverik (tengo sotto controllo le
Marche con sei rettangoli), tuttavia mentre è facile riconoscere changeset
evidentemente problematici o quanto meno sospetti, è più difficile ad
esempio controllare tutti i nodi cancellati (nella pagina del changeset per
i nodi cancellati non viene visualizzato più il nome ma solo l'id, quindi
vanno aperti uno per uno); ad ogni modo poi, a parte i posti che frequento e
in cui posso controllare di persona, nel resto dei casi se un utente
cancella un amenity=drinking_water o atm non posso che fidarmi, ma se
cancella un place=village ci sono buone possibilità che sia un errore; per
questo le località (su cui tra l'altro sono stati anche fatti degli import)
mi sembravano meritevoli di maggiori attenzioni.

Comunque sia avevo visto il bollettino delle cancellazioni in lista, ma mi
era sfuggito che contenesse anche gli elenchi in formato testuale; prenderò
l'abitudine di controllarli, quindi grazie ancora per il riepilogo.



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Re: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017

[Tom Ka]

V Brně u kormidla 18:00 jako obvykle zarezervovano. Tabulku plnit (pro
Brno) netreba .

Bye

Dne 5. září 2017 11:14 Milan Cerny  napsal(a):
> Ahoj, zítra mají být kvartální piva, tabulka je zatím téměř prázdná. Opravdu 
> není zájem?
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12zGtW414R9se_g_87FdmpHj2B6xO1gf5mG94avTmFb4/edit#gid=712442949
>
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[Talk-it] tracce scomparse

[Bruno]

Salve a tutti. Qual­cuno sa dirmi come mai non vedo più sul mio Garmin Edge 800 
delle tracce (che ho mappato io e sono state modificate da un altro utente) che 
sulle open sono visibili, ma nel dispositivo no.
Bruno 

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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Marc Gemis]

While I agree that changing peoples mapping habits is possible by
posting about certain mapping subjects, or developing apps, I do not
see why it is wrong to question whether a typical mapper only maps
what interests him/her or whether they also map other stuff.

I map a lot of items in which I have no personal interest, but because
I know other people are interested and because I want to work on the
best map possible.
Are there other mappers that map e.g. playgrounds (even if they do not
have children) ? Or are playgrounds mainly mapped by people with young
children?

Is not it worth to investigate this type of mapping habits ?


m

p.s. Who said you have to start mapping what you do not want to map? I
might have missed this with all the cross posting going on.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Nick Hocking  wrote:
> This is how it's done
>
> http://www.dw.com/en/online-map-shows-wheelchair-accessible-locations-worldwide/a-15381244
>
> I met this bloke at SOTM Japan some years ago.   He didn't put out a
> questionaire about whether non-disabled persons tended to tag less
> accessability tags than disabled persons, because he already knew the
> answer. He just went out and mapped them, created a website to support his
> interest and got thousands of people interested in his project. Truly an
> inspirational mapper.
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero attrezzato (no ferrata)

[Ivo Reano]

> Scusa mi son dimenticato delle pedane, si tratta di pedane tipo queste[0]?

>
> No, queste in particolare sono dei ferri ad U inforcati nella roccia.
> Altri tipi di pedane sono piastre di acciaio/ferro con un supporto a sua
> volta cementato nella roccia


Allora si tratta di un sentiero attrezzato e non di una ferrata che deve
avere la fune di sicurezza sulla maggior parte del percorso.
La classificazione dovrebbe quindi essere:
highway=path
sac_scale=T3
cai_scale=EE
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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero attrezzato (no ferrata)

[girarsi_liste]

Il 05/09/2017 11:29, Lorenzo Milesi ha scritto:
>> Scusa mi son dimenticato delle pedane, si tratta di pedane tipo queste[0]?
> 
> No, queste in particolare sono dei ferri ad U inforcati nella roccia. 
> Altri tipi di pedane sono piastre di acciaio/ferro con un supporto a sua 
> volta cementato nella roccia.
> 
> 
Purtroppo non mi ricordo più come si chiama questo tipo di ponte o
passaggio.

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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Nick Hocking]

This is how it's done

http://www.dw.com/en/online-map-shows-wheelchair-accessible-locations-worldwide/a-15381244

I met this bloke at SOTM Japan some years ago.   He didn't put out a
questionaire about whether non-disabled persons tended to tag less
accessability tags than disabled persons, because he already knew the
answer. He just went out and mapped them, created a website to support his
interest and got thousands of people interested in his project. Truly an
inspirational mapper.
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[OSM-ja] 9月16日に奈良市で防災マッピングパーティの開催について

[澤田学]

 こんばんは。澤田学と申します。
9月16日に奈良市で防災マッピングパーティを開催します。いざという時に役立つスポットを探し、データとして登録するようです。
ご興味ある方は下記URLにアクセスしてください。参加申し込みも下記URLからできます。

http://www.city.nara.lg.jp/www/contents/1501829347784/index.html


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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Rihards]

On 2017.09.05. 12:53, Nick Hocking wrote:
> We are ,mostly, volunteers.  Therefore I think we should map whatever
> takes our fancy and should not feel obliged to spend our time/money on
> mapping that we do not want to do willingly.
> 
> If the location based service providers find that certain info is
> missing that they would like to have then maybe they could pay someone
> to collect the data, or even better, do it themselves.
> 
> If you can convince mappers to alter their mapping habits, well and
> good, but trying to shame or threaten them into doing so will just
> destroy whatever community there is.
> 
> Your statement (highly paraphrased) of "If you don't map what I want you
> to map, then nobody is going to want to use your data" may not be the
> best way to win people over to your cause.
wtf, man. the analysis that Frederik showed to be deeply flawed before
is one thing, but this reaction is just wtf.
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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Nick Hocking]

We are ,mostly, volunteers.  Therefore I think we should map whatever takes
our fancy and should not feel obliged to spend our time/money on mapping
that we do not want to do willingly.

If the location based service providers find that certain info is missing
that they would like to have then maybe they could pay someone to collect
the data, or even better, do it themselves.

If you can convince mappers to alter their mapping habits, well and good,
but trying to shame or threaten them into doing so will just destroy
whatever community there is.

Your statement (highly paraphrased) of "If you don't map what I want you to
map, then nobody is going to want to use your data" may not be the best way
to win people over to your cause.
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Re: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017

[xkomczax]

Do Brna to mám docela kus. Nebyl by tu někdo z (okolí) Olomouce?

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> Od: Milan Cerny 
> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> Datum: 05.09.2017 11:14
> Předmět: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017
>
>Ahoj, zítra mají být kvartální piva, tabulka je zatím téměř prázdná. Opravdu 
>není zájem?
>
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12zGtW414R9se_g_87FdmpHj2B6xO1gf5mG94avTmFb4/edit#gid=712442949
>
>Milan
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Re: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017

[Tomas Novotny]

Ahoj,

je (za Brno). Akorat jsem tento odkaz nejak prehlidl.
Diky,

T.

On Tue, 05 Sep 2017 11:14:04 +0200
Milan Cerny  wrote:

> Ahoj, zítra mají být kvartální piva, tabulka je zatím téměř prázdná. Opravdu 
> není zájem?
> 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12zGtW414R9se_g_87FdmpHj2B6xO1gf5mG94avTmFb4/edit#gid=712442949
> 
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Re: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017

[Mikoláš Štrajt]

Já jsem si říkal, že jsem na něco zapomněl. ;-)
-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Milan Cerny 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 5. 9. 2017 11:15:33
Předmět: [Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017
"Ahoj, zítra mají být kvartální piva, tabulka je zatím téměř prázdná.
Opravdu není zájem?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12zGtW414R9se_g_87FdmpHj2B6xO1gf5mG94
avTmFb4/edit#gid=712442949

Milan

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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero attrezzato (no ferrata)

[Lorenzo Milesi]

> Scusa mi son dimenticato delle pedane, si tratta di pedane tipo queste[0]?

No, queste in particolare sono dei ferri ad U inforcati nella roccia. 
Altri tipi di pedane sono piastre di acciaio/ferro con un supporto a sua volta 
cementato nella roccia.


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[Talk-cz] kvartální pivo 9/2017

[Milan Cerny]

Ahoj, zítra mají být kvartální piva, tabulka je zatím téměř prázdná. Opravdu 
není zájem?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12zGtW414R9se_g_87FdmpHj2B6xO1gf5mG94avTmFb4/edit#gid=712442949

Milan

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[Talk-it] [violazione] Comune di Cividale del Friuli

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Il comune all'oggetto ha prodotto senza nessuna attribuzione una mappa
derivata da OSM; essa è gratuitamente distribuita dall'ufficio turistico in
formato A3. Almeno l'istituzione o la tipografia non vantano diritti di
proprietà :-)
La derivazione è stata realizzata tramite un notevole lavoro di
"ripulitura" dei toponimi Mapnik, di cui rimangono i colori.

Per chi vuole approfondire, ho generato un TMS [1] per JOSM, da cui si nota
l'esatta coincidenza dei poligoni, in particolare quello del fiume da me
modificato e diventato inconsapevolmente un "copyright Easter egg".

[1] http://mapwarper.net/maps/tile/22878/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
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Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Zoe Gardner]

Dear All

Further to my email yesterday regard, I would like to reassure subscribers
here that the research is bona fide. I included a link to my University
webpage in the original post which I thought would give the survey the
required credence.

I agree with Charlotte that it would have been more credible to send the
post from my University email and this was my error. Apologies for any lack
of uncertainty in this respect. Please do complete the survey if you are
inclined!

Best wishes
Zoe

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 7:36 PM,  wrote:

> If it helps, I can confirm that I have met the researcher concerned at an
> OSM meetup in Nottingham. We talked about the project a bit, and what's
> been said about the research here doesn't differ from what was s‎aid then.
>
> Happy to answer questions from the US board if anyone thinks it will add
> to the "web of trust" here :)
>
>
> *From: *Charlotte Wolter
> *Sent: *Monday, 4 September 2017 19:25
> *To: *Talk-US@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *[Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM
>
> Follks,
>
> It would be nice if we could get some confirmation that this is a
> real research projects being done by an actual researcher at Nottingham. If
> it is legit, why is the return email address from Gmail rather than the
> university?
> Is there some mechanism that we can set up to confirm that the
> research is for real, such as running it through the US board first? I
> don't mind contributing to a survey. I just want to be sure it is for real.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
>
> From: Zoe Gardner 
> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org ...snip... talk...@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM
>
>
>
> Dear OSM talk subscriber
>
> I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the
> University of Nottingham in the UK, interested in participation biases in
> geospatial crowd-sourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered
> Geographical Information (VGI) projects. My current research project is
> concerned with the way in which participation biases in OSM may potentially
> affect the usability of the data that is collected and subsequently what is
> available to location-based service providers that use OSM as their primary
> geospatial database.
> The project is motivated by recent research that has found a strong male
> bias in OSM participation. This has led to assertions that various
> geospatial knowledge could be under represented or poorly recorded on the
> map. However, the actual consequences of this bias remain little explored
> or reported. By collecting information about contributors to OSM, which can
> then be analyzed along with their editing patterns, the impacts of this
> bias might begin to be measured and therefore better understood. I have
> therefore published an online survey designed to collect information
> directly from OSM editors and I would like to invite as many of you as
> possible to participate. The survey is anonymous and takes a couple of
> minutes to complete.
> If you are an OSM contributor and are interested in or would like to
> participate in the study, please click on the link below, which will take
> you to the Bristol Online Survey website where you will find more
> information and an opportunity to participate in the survey. As a small
> incentive, at the close of the survey in a few weeks' time, 60 respondents
> will be drawn at random to receive a £15 Amazon voucher.
> To participate in the survey, click on the link below:
> https://nottingham.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/osm-user-profiles
> Please do think about participating. It is hoped that knowledge about the
> way participation biases impact on crowd-sourced maps will enable new
> strategies to be developed to address any resulting voids in the geospatial
> information provided by amateur mappers. In turn this could strengthen the
> role played by platforms such as OSM in urban planning and sustainability,
> and could raise the profile of the important mapping work that you all do.
> In the meantime, if you would like to know more about me, my research
> activities or the project, please visit my University webpage (link below)
> and do not hesitate to get in touch directly or via the OSM messaging
> service.
> https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/engineering/people/zoe.gardner
> Thank you
>
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Re: [Talk-it] User che cancella stradine di servizio

[John Doe]

Non capisco a che titolo lui giudichi come "non importante" qualcosa che
esiste nella realtà e quindi mappata.
Quello è lavoro di altre persone che hanno speso il loro tempo libero e
passione per contribuire al progetto OSM.
Qua non è una questione di "edit war", qua è una questione di rispetto del
lavoro altrui in quanto non si tratta di cancellazioni motivate e
giustificabili.
Spero qualcuno riesca a recuperare i danni fatti oltre che convincere
l'utente a non cancellare arbitrariamente elementi sulla mappa.
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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero attrezzato (no ferrata)

[girarsi_liste]

Il 05/09/2017 10:09, Lorenzo Milesi ha scritto:
> Ciao.
> 
> Come si deve taggare un percorso escursionistico dove però sono presenti 
> delle catene? Non è da considerarsi alpinistico, e nemmeno una via ferrata 
> (credo), è solo un tratto dove per sicurezza sono stati messe catene o pedane 
> per il passaggio.
> 
> Ho guardato dei percorsi esistenti qui da me, sulla Grigna Meridionale, e 
> sono stati taggati come "ferrata", ma mi sembra sbagliato.
> 
> Qual è il modo migliore per identificare questi tratti?
> 
> Grazie
> 

Scusa mi son dimenticato delle pedane, si tratta di pedane tipo queste[0]?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bridge%3Dboardwalk


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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Dave Swarthout]

Zoe,

Reading these responses helps me understand why you are doing what you're
doing. It's almost laughable that some male mappers responded with, well,
sexist remarks concerning your work. People are not usually aware of the
biases they introduce and that's why researchers must use statistical
analyses and double blind tests to evaluate new drugs, consumer trends and
preferences, etc. I'm reasonably sure OSM is no different. I know that a
portion of my mapping effort tends to concentrate on areas and things that
are of interest to me and while I don't think my being a man has much to do
with it, I would be curious to see if your research shows something
different. Towards that end, I'd be happy to cooperate with your effort to
clarify the situation.

Best wishes,

Dave (aka AlaskaDave)

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female hygiene
> products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to map that,
> without access to women's toilets ?
>
> The real question for me is are men more likely going to map shop=car
> than shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/ ... (sorry for the
> stereotyping)
> will men map leisure=playground or amenity=pub ?
> will a roman catholic map a mosque ?
> will a non-dog owner map leisure=dog_park ?
>
> in short: will we map everything we  see or do we map only our
> interests ? Furthermore, do we really see everything or do we only see
> (and map) things we are conditioned to ?
>
> This is not about buildings, addresses, roads and paths. They are
> pretty gender neutral I think. It's about POIs.
>
>
> regards
>
> m.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Greg Morgan 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Zoe Gardner 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear OSM talk subscriber
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the
> >> University of Nottingham in the UK, interested in participation biases
> in
> >> geospatial crowdsourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered
> >> Geographical Information (VGI) projects. My current research project is
> >> concerned with the way in which participation biases in OSM may
> potentially
> >> affect the usability of the data that is collected and subsequently
> what is
> >> available to location based service providers which use OSM as their
> primary
> >> geospatial database.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The project is motivated by recent research that has found a strong male
> >> bias in OSM participation. This has led to assertions that various
> >> geospatial knowledge could be under represented or poorly recorded on
> the
> >> map.
> >
> >
> > Zoe,
> >
> > I believe that you need to go back to the drawing board.  OSM is not
> about
> > gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation. OSM is about people with
> > leisure time that are willing to spend to add nodes to a map.  If I like
> to
> > add buidlings to the map, there is nothing about those nodes and one way
> > that compose the building that would discriminate or leave out
> information
> > based on gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation.
> >
> > This sounds like one of those surveys designed to damage OSM.
> > "data that is collected and subsequently what is available to location
> based
> > service providers"
> > That statement sound like you are performing research for a vendor that
> > cannot compete with OSM.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Greg
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[Zoe Gardner]

Dear All

Further to my email yesterday regard, I would like to reassure subscribers
here that the research is bona fide. I included a link to my University
webpage in the original post which I thought would give the survey the
required credence.

I agree with Charlotte that it would have been more credible to send the
post from my University email and this was my error. Apologies for any lack
of uncertainty in this respect. Please do complete the survey if you are
inclined!

Best wishes
Zoe

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 7:36 PM,  wrote:

> If it helps, I can confirm that I have met the researcher concerned at an
> OSM meetup in Nottingham. We talked about the project a bit, and what's
> been said about the research here doesn't differ from what was s‎aid then.
>
> Happy to answer questions from the US board if anyone thinks it will add
> to the "web of trust" here :)
>
>
> *From: *Charlotte Wolter
> *Sent: *Monday, 4 September 2017 19:25
> *To: *Talk-US@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *[Talk-us] Fwd: Open survey on participation biases in OSM
>
> Follks,
>
> It would be nice if we could get some confirmation that this is a
> real research projects being done by an actual researcher at Nottingham. If
> it is legit, why is the return email address from Gmail rather than the
> university?
> Is there some mechanism that we can set up to confirm that the
> research is for real, such as running it through the US board first? I
> don't mind contributing to a survey. I just want to be sure it is for real.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
>
> From: Zoe Gardner 
> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org ...snip... talk...@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM
>
>
>
> Dear OSM talk subscriber
>
> I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the
> University of Nottingham in the UK, interested in participation biases in
> geospatial crowd-sourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered
> Geographical Information (VGI) projects. My current research project is
> concerned with the way in which participation biases in OSM may potentially
> affect the usability of the data that is collected and subsequently what is
> available to location-based service providers that use OSM as their primary
> geospatial database.
> The project is motivated by recent research that has found a strong male
> bias in OSM participation. This has led to assertions that various
> geospatial knowledge could be under represented or poorly recorded on the
> map. However, the actual consequences of this bias remain little explored
> or reported. By collecting information about contributors to OSM, which can
> then be analyzed along with their editing patterns, the impacts of this
> bias might begin to be measured and therefore better understood. I have
> therefore published an online survey designed to collect information
> directly from OSM editors and I would like to invite as many of you as
> possible to participate. The survey is anonymous and takes a couple of
> minutes to complete.
> If you are an OSM contributor and are interested in or would like to
> participate in the study, please click on the link below, which will take
> you to the Bristol Online Survey website where you will find more
> information and an opportunity to participate in the survey. As a small
> incentive, at the close of the survey in a few weeks' time, 60 respondents
> will be drawn at random to receive a £15 Amazon voucher.
> To participate in the survey, click on the link below:
> https://nottingham.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/osm-user-profiles
> Please do think about participating. It is hoped that knowledge about the
> way participation biases impact on crowd-sourced maps will enable new
> strategies to be developed to address any resulting voids in the geospatial
> information provided by amateur mappers. In turn this could strengthen the
> role played by platforms such as OSM in urban planning and sustainability,
> and could raise the profile of the important mapping work that you all do.
> In the meantime, if you would like to know more about me, my research
> activities or the project, please visit my University webpage (link below)
> and do not hesitate to get in touch directly or via the OSM messaging
> service.
> https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/engineering/people/zoe.gardner
> Thank you
>
> Zoe
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Re: [Talk-it] Sentiero attrezzato (no ferrata)

[girarsi_liste]

Il 05/09/2017 10:09, Lorenzo Milesi ha scritto:
> Ciao.
> 
> Come si deve taggare un percorso escursionistico dove però sono presenti 
> delle catene? Non è da considerarsi alpinistico, e nemmeno una via ferrata 
> (credo), è solo un tratto dove per sicurezza sono stati messe catene o pedane 
> per il passaggio.
> 
> Ho guardato dei percorsi esistenti qui da me, sulla Grigna Meridionale, e 
> sono stati taggati come "ferrata", ma mi sembra sbagliato.
> 
> Qual è il modo migliore per identificare questi tratti?
> 
> Grazie
> 

Se parli di sentieri CAI, i riferimenti li trovi nella pagina specifica:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CAI#Sentieri

Diversamente si tratta di sentiero attrezzato, ed il tag via_ferrata=*
non sta ad indicare solo vie attrezzate molto complesse, ma ci sono di
difficoltà minore, inserendo nel tratto interessato, oltre al tag detto,
anche la difficolta via_ferrata_scale=*, che nel tuo caso dovrebbe
essere valore zero.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata#Rating_via_ferrata.27s_difficulty




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Re: [Talk-it] Idrante, forse, di colore blu.

[girarsi_liste]

Il 05/09/2017 09:15, Max1234Ita ha scritto:
> Dalla forma, nella pagina che hai linkato sembrerebbe un modello "H4" del
> 2000, oppure una sua variante:
> http://www.firehydrant.org/pictures/hawle.html
> 
> Poi rosso o blu, credo che per il costruttore non sia un problema
> verniciarlo di un colore o dell'altro, basta che il cliente paghi la
> fornitura... :-)
> 
> 
> Ciao,
> Max

In realta da quel che ho visto il rosso è consigliato, comunque in
Italia, da quanto ci ho capito facendo ricerca, devono essere rispettate
le norme UNI 10770 ed EN 14383, e di colore non mi pare trovare nessun
riferimento, per cui, a parte la norma con cui è stato costruito questo
idrante da me citato in apertura discussione, probabilmente fuori norma,
resta tale che il suo scopo è quello ad uso antincendio, almeno così ho
capito io.

Poi se se ne vedono anche di verdi o bianchi, evidentemente siamo il
Paese dei balocchi... :)

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Re: [Talk-cz] Note spam v Praze?

[Karel Volný]

netvrdím, že někdo tvrdí, jen jsem přidal zkušenost :-)

K.

Dne úterý 5. září 2017 10:02:35 CEST, majka napsal(a):
> Nikdo netvrdí, že je to k ničemu. K ničemu jsou ale ty poznámky s výzvou k
> zmapování.
> To je podle mě totiž reálné jen, pokud se člověk už na místo z nějakého
> důvodu dostane. Nedovedu si představit, že se pohrabu přes vrátnici s
> odůvodněním "jen si to tu jdu zmapovat, zatím ani moc netuším kdo všechno
> tu je". Ale třeba jsem to jen já :)
> 
> 2017-09-05 9:45 GMT+02:00 Karel Volný :
> > +1, aktuální včerejší zkušenost Brno - Modřice, Evropská 840, v baráku s
> > velkou cedulí DHL jsem vlezl do vchodu označeného 840, vrátnej jakože co
> > tam
> > chceme, někomu volal, předal ať se domluvíme, dozvím se "ale to máte DHL
> > Express, to musíte z druhý strany", vrátnej upřesnil, že přes závoru kolem
> > budovy vrata 27 ...


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Re: [Talk-dk] Vejnavne, afkørsler, osv

[Torben Brendstrup]

Også enig. Det samme gælder i øvrigt for rutenumre. (Hvis ruten går af
rampen skal den selvfølgelig tagges).

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:28 PM Uffe Kousgaard 
wrote:

> Enig. Jeg har lige checket Holbækmotorvejen og her er der ingen vejnavne
> på ramperne.
>
> mvh
> Uffe Kousgaard
>
>
> On 04-09-2017 23:09, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote:
> > Jeg vil lige sikre mig at vi er enige inden jeg sletter flere vejnavne.
> >
> > Jeg vil mene at fx motorvejsafkørsler som fx:
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/144800475
> >
> > ikke skal have et navn.
>
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[Talk-it] Sentiero attrezzato (no ferrata)

[Lorenzo Milesi]

Ciao.

Come si deve taggare un percorso escursionistico dove però sono presenti delle 
catene? Non è da considerarsi alpinistico, e nemmeno una via ferrata (credo), è 
solo un tratto dove per sicurezza sono stati messe catene o pedane per il 
passaggio.

Ho guardato dei percorsi esistenti qui da me, sulla Grigna Meridionale, e sono 
stati taggati come "ferrata", ma mi sembra sbagliato.

Qual è il modo migliore per identificare questi tratti?

Grazie
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Re: [Talk-cz] Note spam v Praze?

[majka]

Nikdo netvrdí, že je to k ničemu. K ničemu jsou ale ty poznámky s výzvou k
zmapování.
To je podle mě totiž reálné jen, pokud se člověk už na místo z nějakého
důvodu dostane. Nedovedu si představit, že se pohrabu přes vrátnici s
odůvodněním "jen si to tu jdu zmapovat, zatím ani moc netuším kdo všechno
tu je". Ale třeba jsem to jen já :)

2017-09-05 9:45 GMT+02:00 Karel Volný :
>
>
> +1, aktuální včerejší zkušenost Brno - Modřice, Evropská 840, v baráku s
> velkou cedulí DHL jsem vlezl do vchodu označeného 840, vrátnej jakože co
> tam
> chceme, někomu volal, předal ať se domluvíme, dozvím se "ale to máte DHL
> Express, to musíte z druhý strany", vrátnej upřesnil, že přes závoru kolem
> budovy vrata 27 ...
>
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Re: [Talk-cz] Note spam v Praze?

[Karel Volný]

> Celkově vzato je to celkem reálný zmapovat a až na solitérní blbce by ty
> firmy asi i byly rády, protože jim tam nebudou bloudit kurýři po areálu
> (adresy totiž bejvaj dos divoký skoro jako v Africe - něco jako Areál
> ten a te, severní vjezd třetí ulice hala B2 (zvoňte vzadu).) Mimochodem
> mám pocit, že právě takhle nezmapovanost je kromě ožralů jediný důvod
> proč tam maj ty vrátný :)  Hezké industriální mapování

+1, aktuální včerejší zkušenost Brno - Modřice, Evropská 840, v baráku s 
velkou cedulí DHL jsem vlezl do vchodu označeného 840, vrátnej jakože co tam 
chceme, někomu volal, předal ať se domluvíme, dozvím se "ale to máte DHL 
Express, to musíte z druhý strany", vrátnej upřesnil, že přes závoru kolem 
budovy vrata 27 ...

no neměl jsem energii ty vrata domapovávat[*], ono hlavně by to k ničemu 
nebylo, pokud to sama firma v kontaktu neuvádí, ale souhlasím, že kdyby se to 
dalo dohledat, tak by to bylo moc fajn

[*] nicméně chtěl jsem aspoň opravit rychlost na Brněnský, a když to jdu 
editovat, tak vidím, že mě Kamil o den předběhl, díky ;-)

K.


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Re: [Talk-us] Proposed import of building footprints for Hartford, CT

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 05.09.2017 04:41, Clifford Snow wrote:
> Please join us on Slack [1] to help discuss
> the import.

If anything meaningful is ever discussed there, please don't forget that
it is a proprietary platform not used by everyone, and add summaries or
transcripts to the public import documentation.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-it] Idrante, forse, di colore blu.

[Max1234Ita]

Dalla forma, nella pagina che hai linkato sembrerebbe un modello "H4" del
2000, oppure una sua variante:
http://www.firehydrant.org/pictures/hawle.html

Poi rosso o blu, credo che per il costruttore non sia un problema
verniciarlo di un colore o dell'altro, basta che il cliente paghi la
fornitura... :-)


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Re: [Talk-it] Nome strade statali

[Simone Saviolo]

Il giorno 3 settembre 2017 08:32, dgitto  ha scritto:

> Rilassiamoci con un argomento facile di lana caprina. Un utente dalle mie
> parti rinomina le strade statali togliendo il ref dal nome. Proprio perché
> secondo lui quello è il ref, non il nome.
> Sembra logico. Ma mi chiedo se la comunità è d'accordo o no. (Perseguo un
> po' di uniformità, inoltre l'utente potrebbe decidere di rinominarle in
> tutta Italia).
> In pratica in Italia in OSM, ad oggi, sono spesso usati nomi come:
> Strada statale 11 Padana Superiore;
> Strada statale 12 dell'Abetone e del Brennero;
> Strada statale 20 del Colle di Tenda e di Valle Roja.
> Come le chiama Wikipedia.
> Per contra, la legge che le istituì nel 1928 nella colonna "denominazione"
> riporta "dell'Abetone e del Brennero" etc.
> A me in fondo piace più la grafia con numero compreso.
>

Non lo so... a me non dispiace la grafia compressa SS per Strada Statale.
Anche solo perché così la sintesi vocale di Osmand poi mi annuncia "SANTI
14 STRADA COSTIERA OBALNA CESTA" :D

Ciao,

Simone
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Re: [Talk-it] User che cancella stradine di servizio

[Max1234Ita]

John Doe wrote
> Io non so se conosce davvero quelle zone così bene. Alcune stradine da me
> ripristinate erano palesemente reali.


Se ho ben capito dai commenti ai changeset
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49163156#map=15/38.2643/15.6273),
reali o no, le cancella perchè considerate "non importanti".

Spero solo che la cosa non si trasformi in una edit war tra lui, fermo nelle
sue convinzioni, ed il resto del mondo che cerca di rimediare al suo
operato...

Max



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