Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-22 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 06/21/2013 08:07 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: The map should reflect ground reality, so unless there are hamlets in these places, we should strive to fix them. By sharing our experiences, we can have a better sense of how others are doing that, and we can use that to inform our local

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/22/13 11:42 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On 06/21/2013 08:07 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: The map should reflect ground reality, so unless there are hamlets in these places, we should strive to fix them. By sharing our experiences, we can have a better sense of how others are doing that, and we

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 22/giu/2013, at 17:42, Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com wrote: and we can use that to inform our local decisions. But let the locals make the decisions! Don't just go deleting hamlets based on the fact that they are unincorporated. A great many hamlets in New York State have a strong

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-22 Thread Phil! Gold
* Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com [2013-06-21 09:17 -0400]: During the TIGER import, small neighborhoods were imported as hamlets. I tend to think of the GNIS hamlets as small places-where-people-live. Around my section of the Baltimore suburbs, most of them are housing developments,

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-22 Thread Phil! Gold
* Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.com [2013-06-21 21:01 -0400]: In the city of Baltimore, we have over 250 well defined neighborhoods, yet their boundaries are defined by a planning dept., not the people per se. Most of the neighborhoods have nodes place=suburb, but it probably should be

[Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
During the TIGER import, small neighborhoods were imported as hamlets. I am not sure what this means in rural areas, but in urban places, hamlets are often just places like apartment complexes, or other nondescript places. They don't rise to the prominence of even a neighborhood (putting aside

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/21/13 9:17 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: During the TIGER import, small neighborhoods were imported as hamlets. I am not sure what this means in rural areas, but in urban places, hamlets are often just places like apartment complexes, or other nondescript places. i think this varies

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i think this varies state-to-state. the following applies to NY. hamlets are not incorporated areas and have no government functions. in urban areas, hamlets are generally once distinct communities that have been

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Toby Murray
Around here they seem to just be somewhat random areas of town. Not formal neighborhoods or anything. Examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/151609519 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/151882535 I've already deleted a couple of others because they didn't make much sense and

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Jim McAndrew
It sounds like we want CDPs and not hamlets, although there is some overlap. What would be ideal would be to remove all the hamlets and import the CDPs, but we could also just remove all hamlets that aren't also a CDP. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Sean Bartell
Hello, Serge Wroclawski on 2013-06-21: During the TIGER import, small neighborhoods were imported as hamlets. I'm wondering what other people's experience with the hamlets are. Are they useful where you live? Are they nonsense (as they have been in NYC and DC)? I've only seen a few around

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/21/13 11:07 AM, Sean Bartell wrote: I realized only after last week's discussion about neighborhoods that the hamlets (which are distinct from nehighborhoods) are the things messing up the geocoder. A neighborhood is understood to be a place that's not often in an address, but a hamlet is

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Jim McAndrew
In Pennsylvania, Villages are often labeled as Hamlets. These villages always appear within another municipality (as the entire state is incorporated). They don't have any legal entity associated with them, and they are probably becoming less important as suburbs take over the old farming areas.

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread stevea
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: hamlets are not incorporated areas and have no government functions. Virtually always true, in my experience. However, a hamlet might find itself inside of an incorporated city limit (say, for historical reasons).

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Mike N
On 6/21/2013 9:17 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I realized only after last week's discussion about neighborhoods that the hamlets (which are distinct from nehighborhoods) are the things messing up the geocoder. I would say not to touch any hamlets; let the locals fix them up appropriately.

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 6/21/2013 9:17 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I realized only after last week's discussion about neighborhoods that the hamlets (which are distinct from nehighborhoods) are the things messing up the geocoder. I would say not

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Scott Rollins
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Their presence doesn't hurt anything, aside from the small geocoding hiccup or map not rendering optimally. The map should reflect ground reality, so unless there are hamlets in these places, we should strive to fix

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Elliott Plack
Great topic Serge. A lot of the hamlets in Baltimore come from platted subdivision names, that due to extra awesome county GIS agencies that have been around for 30+ years, were in TIGER in 2000. In my county almost every subdivision is considered a hamlet, even the ones that are like Walton