Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

So basing on your opinions, it looks like highway=* + area=yes isn't incorrect, it's just not documented. What do you guys think about adding a better documentation of combination with area=yes to some of highway=* Wiki pages? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

> So basing on your opinions, it looks like highway=* + area=yes isn't > incorrect, it's just not documented. I'd suggest that it depends what you're mapping. If it's a predominantly linear feature then it would be wrong to try and "somehow record the width" using area=yes on the highway tag

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

No, all highways are areas :) Mapping them as a line is a manual generalization ;) djakk Le ven. 10 août 2018 à 12:15, Andy Townsend a écrit : > > > So basing on your opinions, it looks like highway=* + area=yes isn't > incorrect, it's just not documented. > > I'd suggest that it depends what

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

On 10.08.2018 13:20, djakk djakk wrote: No, all highways are areas :) Mapping them as a line is a manual generalization ;) 1., yes. 2., no, it is a mental abstraction, necessary to apply the mathematical graph theory for routing. On 10.08.2018 12:02, Tomasz Wójcik wrote: > ... it looks like

[OSM-talk] Odp: Re: highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

We have also mechanism for area routing but, that's true graphs are easier.. Dnia 10 sierpnia 2018 13:52 Tom Pfeifer napisał(a): On 10.08.2018 13:20, djakk djakk wrote: No, all highways are areas :) Mapping them as a line is a manual generalization ;) 1., yes. 2.,

Re: [OSM-talk] Odp: Re: highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

On 2018-08-10 14:01, marekskleciak wrote: > We have also mechanism for area routing but, that's true graphs are easier.. Do you have any links/references for area routing? What "mechanism" are you thinking of here?___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetma

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Hi, Am 2018-08-09 um 22:48 schrieb Vao Matua: > The Tanzania Development trust has calculated the Plus Code addresses for > 17 million building points in Tanzania and have added a sample village > (1800 points) as a test. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/59213224 > > The Python code on G

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

I would agree the import should be reverted. The data is redundant and there is a danger that it might not be correct. The pure lat and long data already in OSM can be used to calculate the code. It does add weight to the idea of making them searchable perhaps with a JOSM plugin and support in O

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Probably it is done so that plus-codes are known to local actors? Perhaps, local conditions differ from European ones to the degree that it is difficult to comprehend without being part of local community?In any case, I actually tried once to pass a location over telephone by telling the coordinate

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

A simple stopgap solution would be a program that converted one to the other where the result could be cut and pasted into another program. They are probably called apps these days. If you know the code it would give you the lat and long in a format that could be searched by Nominatim. Grabbing

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 8/10/2018 9:01 AM, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: Probably it is done so that plus-codes are known to local actors? Perhaps, local conditions differ from European ones to the degree that it is difficult to comprehend without being part of local community? That is a perfect use case for

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

sent from a phone > On 10. Aug 2018, at 12:02, Tomasz Wójcik wrote: > > So basing on your opinions, it looks like highway=* + area=yes isn't > incorrect, it's just not documented. I believe it is documented. It means a traffic area (omnidirectional) as opposed to a street (linear). It does

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

There are several conflicting perspectives here. My objective is to give addresses to people who will never have one. Last year I was living in a city in Africa ( 6GVW2FXH+4H ) with a population of a half a million people. None of the streets

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

> It is interesting that this effort for addressing is being trashed because > it is savvy technology. > Dont see anyone has 'trashed' the idea of using Plus Codes as such. Just the bulk import of them as *data* to the core OSM database. Its redundant data. > Plus code can be calculated on t

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

sent from a phone > On 10. Aug 2018, at 19:02, Barry Hunter wrote: > > another issue with it being added as tags, if the node is moved to correct > its location, the editor would have to remember to update the plus-code tags > as well (not just the lat/long) this only if you see it as loc

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

Sounds fine by me. Seems there's a decent sized contingency working the wiki independently of how things are actually tagged anymore, it's been getting hard to point to the wiki as a usable reference for a couple years now. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 05:08 Tomasz Wójcik wrote: > So basing on your op

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Friends! On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Vao Matua wrote: > There are several conflicting perspectives here. > My objective is to give addresses to people who will never have one. I want to do this too and plus codes do seem like a good solution, not perfect, but pretty darn good, especially c

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:09 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 10. Aug 2018, at 19:02, Barry Hunter wrote: > > > > another issue with it being added as tags, if the node is moved to > correct its location, the editor would have to remember to update the > plus-code t

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10.08.18 20:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: this only if you see it as location information, not if it is used as an address (the location where to go to, see the example of the long driveway above) Cheers, Martin ___ There could be a psychologica

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Friday 10 August 2018, Blake Girardot wrote: > [...] > > Let us find a local community that is asking for this and give it a > trial there. I read this as "lets find some country with no sufficiently organized local community to resists and push this nonsense idea of adding encoded coordinate

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10.08.18 20:46, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Friday 10 August 2018, Blake Girardot wrote: [...] Let us find a local community that is asking for this and give it a trial there. I read this as "lets find some country with no sufficiently organized local community to resists and push this nons

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:32:50 -0700 Vao Matua wrote: > Plus code can be calculated on the fly, but if they are > to be used we will need to have hardcopy maps with the addresses that > can be used to direct aid workers to a specific location. Plus codes form a hierarchical grid, so supporting the

[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #420 2018-07-31-2018-08-06

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 420, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/10586/ Enjoy! weeklyOSM? who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 8/10/2018 1:33 PM, Barry Hunter wrote: But in the case of a long driveway wouldnt the address be attached to the entryway (so that directions etc, can route to the right location)? This isn't very common, and there's no documentation of this practice on the addr or service=driveway wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Hi, I am very surprised that this discussion is not dead yet. To me, this is like one person saying 1+1 is 2 and the other person saying 1+1 is 3. This is something that should not be a matter of opinion; this is a matter of logic. Vao, when you write: > My objective is to give addresses to peop

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10.08.18 21:07, Mark Wagner wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:32:50 -0700 Vao Matua wrote: Plus code can be calculated on the fly, but if they are to be used we will need to have hardcopy maps with the addresses that can be used to direct aid workers to a specific location. Plus codes form a h

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Blake, On 10.08.2018 19:23, Blake Girardot wrote: > I think an approach based on local buy-in, with a small scale test of > adding the PlusCode address to the objects is the fastest, OSM'ish way > forward. Christoph was a bit harsh in his response but I think he is right on teh fundamentals, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 8:18 PM Oleksiy Muzalyev < oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch> wrote: > On 10.08.18 21:07, Mark Wagner wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:32:50 -0700 > > Vao Matua wrote: > > > >> Plus code can be calculated on the fly, but if they are > >> to be used we will need to have hardcopy

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10.08.18 22:26, Frederik Ramm wrote: ... The sensible approach is to add the logic that converts plus codes to locations and vice versa to those places where people interface with the map - be that the osm.org web site, ... This is the focal point of this discussion. Do we want to accept the

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 2018-08-10 20:11, Frederik Ramm wrote: The approach that I - and everyone else who applies the same logic - propose, is: 1. A zooms to their house on OSMAnd. 2. A clicks on the house to invoke the plus code computation function in OSMAnd. 3. OSMAnd displays the plus code. 4. A tells B the plu

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > The idea of tagging encoded coordinates is so ridiculous to anyone with > a bit of understanding of computer programming, data processing and > data maintainance that even after ignoring all the arguments in > substance that have been vo

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Hi Frederick, I appreciate the thoughtful reply. I think for the most part we all agree on the technology solution really looking like the best option. But it is the best option in the medium and long term. In the short term, putting a few thousand plus-codes in as addresses, while the local com

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

While the goals sound worthy, it is unclear if any of the grid systems (w3w, plus codes and so on) deliver on their promises and have any traction outside of people in countries with established addressing systems trying to push them as solutions for countries without. As I've pointed out before,

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > > While the goals sound worthy, it is unclear if any of the grid systems > (w3w, plus codes and so on) deliver on their promises and have any > traction outside of people in countries with established addressing > systems trying to push them as

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10.08.18 23:06, Simon Poole wrote: While the goals sound worthy, it is unclear if any of the grid systems (w3w, plus codes and so on) deliver on their promises and have any traction outside of people in countries with established addressing systems trying to push them as solutions for countrie

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

> > I think it will work like this - a dispatcher at an ambulance service says > during a call: "We will not go to your house unless you provide the > plus-code. Bot the Google Maps and OpenStreetMap websites allow to generate > the plus-code for a house." I mean it will not work without a leadersh

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 10.08.2018 um 22:14 schrieb Blake Girardot HOT/OSM: > ... > Our community should have a say in what wins, we can try them both, > but here is a local group asking us to try plus codes and there is a > lot of momentum behind it. In the case of w3w one can actually make a technical case for incl

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 10.08.2018 um 22:18 schrieb Oleksiy Muzalyev: > ... > > The OLC is Open Source with the Apache 2.0 license. I have a doubt > though, - cannot Google in couple of years say: "We change the license > and not one has to pay for the OLC usage?" I am not a lawyer and I do > not know such subtleties

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > > > Am 10.08.2018 um 22:14 schrieb Blake Girardot HOT/OSM: >> ... >> Our community should have a say in what wins, we can try them both, >> but here is a local group asking us to try plus codes and there is a >> lot of momentum behind it. > In

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Let us just recap. Open Location Code can be used in OSMand today for anything in Openstreetmap. It both shows the OLC code and can search for the OLC code so to my mind OLC is already available in OpenStreetMap and can be used operationally today. There is no need to add additional tags to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 2018-08-10 21:06, Simon Poole wrote: While the goals sound worthy, it is unclear if any of the grid systems (w3w, plus codes and so on) deliver on their promises and have any traction outside of people in countries with established addressing systems trying to push them as solutions for countr

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > That is not the point, for the goog it is a net win simply avoiding > systems being adopted for which they potentially would have to pay > royalties for. Is that not the reason OSM was started in the first place? :) But I agree, I hope all

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10 August 2018 at 21:06, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: > Hi Frederick, > > I appreciate the thoughtful reply. > > I think for the most part we all agree on the technology solution > really looking like the best option. But it is the best option in the > medium and long term. > > In the short te

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10 August 2018 at 22:47, Michael Reichert wrote: > > There is no need for this data in OSM because the data can be retrieved > automatically from latitude and longitude (plain coordinates) which are > already assigned to anything which has a location on the planet. > > Adding Plus Code tags to

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 2018-08-10 1:06 PM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: Learning the real world use cases and where the proper technological solutions work and if there really genuinely are places where dynamic generation is just not possible. This seems totally in line with things done in the past and should work

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Friday 10 August 2018, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: > > The idea of tagging encoded coordinates is so ridiculous to anyone > > with a bit of understanding of computer programming, data > > processing and data maintainance that even after ignoring all the > > arguments in substance that have bee

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 6:23 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Friday 10 August 2018, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM wrote: >> > The idea of tagging encoded coordinates is so ridiculous to anyone >> > with a bit of understanding of computer programming, data >> > processing and data maintainance that even

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

sent from a phone > On 10. Aug 2018, at 22:06, Simon Poole wrote: > > As I've pointed out before, if OSM supports a specific system, it > amounts to us picking a winner , and I really don't think that is a good > idea. we could support any system that is used and can be used free and openly.

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

sent from a phone > On 10. Aug 2018, at 22:06, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM > wrote: > > In the short term, putting a few thousand plus-codes in as addresses, > while the local community tries them out. Who know if they work for > local folks, but just jamming a few thousand in will allow all the >

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

I have two concerns about separate tags and they come from my validation experience with HOT mappers. The first is duplicate buildings. When faced with 50 duplicate buildings in a village if I'm feeling good I'll use the to do list to look at each pair and delete the one that is the one that leas

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 18-08-09 15:32, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: > Open Location Codes are also referred to as "plus codes".  Since August > 2015, Google Maps supports plus codes in their search engine. The > algorithm is Open Source, licensed under the Apache License 2.0. and > available on GitHub [1]. Plea

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 11.08.18 00:58, Andrew Harvey wrote: I agree, unless people start putting up signs of the Plus Codes outside their house and you're mapping that as the on the ground housenumber. ... ___ And they will not start putting up signs of the Plus-Co

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

The wiki has definitely had problems recently and we should have a good discussion about what we want from it. -- Andrew From: Paul Johnson Sent: 10 August 2018 18:13:36 To: Tomasz Wójcik Cc: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

> No, all highways are areas :) Mapping them as a line is a manual generalization ;) Yes, but you're mapping the road centerline, which isn't a generalization but a real world feature. On 11 August 2018 at 15:56, Andrew Hain wrote: > The wiki has definitely had problems recently and we should

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 11.08.18 08:28, Martin Trautmann wrote: On 18-08-09 15:32, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: Open Location Codes are also referred to as "plus codes".  Since August 2015, Google Maps supports plus codes in their search engine. The algorithm is Open Source, licensed under the Apache License 2

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

This looks to be very comfortably within the computational ability of mobile phone apps (“You could calculate it with AI” is a much less attractive deletionist argument) so everyone who has implemented it by conerting coordinates on the fly would seem to be doing the right thing. -- Andrew