Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] tagging stones in the wild (erratic, balancing, boundary, stone age, artifact)

2009-05-23 Thread Kevin Peat
Hi Stanislav, I agree there is something missing in this area as I've added some things on Dartmoor (which has a vast amount of this stuff) and couldn't find many helpful tags already in use. I'm not too keen on natural=stone as surely the significant thing about these artifacts is they are not

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] tagging stones in the wild (erratic, balancing, boundary, stone age, artifact)

2009-05-23 Thread Kevin Peat
...@openstreetmap.org [mailto: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Peat *Sent:* 23 May 2009 15:44 *To:* Stanislav Brabec *Cc:* talk@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] tagging stones in the wild (erratic, balancing, boundary, stone age, artifact) Hi Stanislav, I agree

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Designation

2009-06-11 Thread Kevin Peat
I'm in favour. I think separating legal status from the highway tag is a good thing in general. Currently with bridleways tagged as highway=bridleway you have no idea what kind of actual way you are dealing with. Where I live (Devon) there are a lot of bridleways, some on wide tracks and some

Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

2009-06-16 Thread Kevin Peat
I also like the 3 column layout as it is a lot more inviting to potential new recruits than the current page. Map thumbnails also seem like a good idea although I would drop osmarender as a thumbnail and replace it with a topographic hiking map or maybe a rotating spot for the likes of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM TrustPoints

2009-07-10 Thread Kevin Peat
I don't realistically see an automated reputation system working given the community we have but how about a mentoring type approach where experienced mappers adopt one or more newbies. When someone signs-up for the project (or maybe when they make their first edit) they could be given a list of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM TrustPoints

2009-07-10 Thread Kevin Peat
2009/7/10 Peter Dörrie peter.doer...@googlemail.com Well, as the OSM community grows exponentially at the moment we will run out of expereinced mappers pretty soon ... There might be exponential growth in accounts opened by lurkers, bots, and spammers but I don't think the growth in people

[OSM-talk] odd rendering + county boundaries

2009-03-02 Thread Kevin Peat
I made some changes a couple of weeks ago to the banks of the River Dart through Totnes http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.42863lon=-3.67974zoom=15layers=B000FFF Obviously those changes have been picked up as the county boundary is rendering along the updated river bank but the actual river

Re: [OSM-talk] odd rendering + county boundaries

2009-03-02 Thread Kevin Peat
the boundary relation for the southwest counties that he'd just added the coastline to the relation, and not considered river mouths. I'll look into the data myself if I get the time. 2009/3/2 Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com: I made some changes a couple of weeks ago to the banks of the River Dart

Re: [OSM-talk] odd rendering + county boundaries

2009-03-02 Thread Kevin Peat
Thanks Jon, that's great. Kevin Jon Burgess wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 10:51 +, Kevin Peat wrote: I made some changes a couple of weeks ago to the banks of the River Dart through Totnes http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.42863lon=-3.67974zoom=15layers=B000FFF Obviously those

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-03 Thread Kevin Peat
I can't see how any plan that involves deleting non-trivial amounts of data is ever going to work anyway as who is going to stop people from re-uploading the data with minor changes to tags and all the nodes moved by a metre or two? Kevin Ed Loach wrote: I wrote: As I think someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Conflating Tracks?

2009-03-10 Thread Kevin Peat
Not quite the AI solution you are looking for but I use Viking (http://sourceforge.net/projects/viking/) as a way of quickly overlaying my tracks on OSM maps and then doing a check around the route to see what needs doing. Kevin Milenko wrote: Couldn't you just make an assumption in

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009-12-17 Thread Kevin Peat
Instead of trying to counter the googlespeak wouldn't it be better to think about why they feel the need to do this kind of thing in the first place rather than sponsoring an OSM based venture. Similarly, why are companies like waze trying to start from scratch rather than using our data for

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-02-23 Thread Kevin Peat
I've also just got an android phone and have been trying the various map related apps. Just tried mapdroyd today which is closed source but has the useful feature of offering OSM maps in precompiled packages which I would certainly like (or at least to have a decent tile cache facility) as the 3G

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Kevin Peat
It seems I'm a villain too although it's news to me. Thinking about it, it must be from copying and pasting some OS VectorMap polygons between .osm layers in JOSM over the last couple of weeks. JOSM seems to create the nodes for the polygon and then create them again with the way if that makes

Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona

2010-07-03 Thread Kevin Peat
On 3 July 2010 14:27, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: But the underlying idea of property is required for attribution as well; you cannot force people to provide attribution without first claiming that the data is yours and yours alone and only by following your license will people

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Thread Kevin Peat
In a project where there are endless copies of the data floating around the net I can't see how deleting non-trivial amounts of data is going to work anyway. What is going to stop people who don't care about the license change, or are just pissed off to lose their work, just re-uploading the

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread Kevin Peat
On 17 July 2010 20:40, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: snip It should really be Would you find it acceptable if OSMF relicensed the whole dataset to ODbL without asking for consent from individual contributors, thereby making sure that there is no data loss, but disregarding

Re: [OSM-talk] Wayfinder now open source, and with OSM data

2010-07-21 Thread Kevin Peat
From their wiki - The Wayfinder software is a client-server based system for navigation and different related location-based-services, including mapping and searching for places and addresses. The server is designed to be highly scalable and has a distributed architecture and runs on Linux CentOS

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-30 Thread Kevin Peat
Where the same thing is being tagged in different ways then by all means spend your energy trying to unify them as that ulitmately benefits all data consumers and reduces scope for mapper confusion. In the case of hospital or fire_station though I don't see the point of these changes. In these

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Kevin Peat
Both the police and ambulance service spend a lot of their time on non-emergency items as do hospitals, doctors, etc. If you want to write an app that lists the police under an emergencies menu/button then go ahead but you don't need to change the OSM data to do it. Kevin On 30 July 2010

Re: [OSM-talk] Death by a thousand nitpicks

2010-08-04 Thread Kevin Peat
On 4 August 2010 14:34, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:53, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote: snipped Let's try not to subject OSM data users to death by a thousand self-appointed license nitpickers. +1 The negative attitude to nearmap is

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-10 Thread Kevin Peat
On 10 August 2010 19:25, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 10/08/2010 19:13, SteveC wrote: Interesting statistics: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Aude/osmtalk What does that prove? verbosity *doesn't* equate to disruption. +1 I don't find

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging the source

2012-09-28 Thread Kevin Peat
On 28 September 2012 15:13, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes, but often when something is wrong, the source-tag is as well ;-). I have seen lots of source=PSG (coastline) where the data obviously was far too detailed to be from PSG, it is because people hardly remove

Re: [OSM-talk] Who is a good mapper? Who isn't?

2012-10-11 Thread Kevin Peat
On 10 October 2012 21:22, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: What are the results? ... The most common comment quality is 18. Half of all accounts have comment quality from 13 to 36. Bots usually have comment quality under one. Equating changeset comment quality with mapper quality is

Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps

2012-11-06 Thread Kevin Peat
On 6 November 2012 09:28, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: A public domain street sign does not become automagically a copyrighted derivative work just because you see it through a copyrighted photo. And this is true worldwide, not only in some countries. Isn't the real point that regardless

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Problem with an Etrex 20

2012-11-19 Thread Kevin Peat
On Nov 19, 2012 7:32 PM, Tim Waters chippy2...@gmail.com wrote: The supplied cable is a small one, about 1ft long, if that helps. Same here, I have a 20 and it only mounts with the supplied cable which is about 15cm. Kevin ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] fences, trees and houses

2012-11-21 Thread Kevin Peat
On 21 November 2012 09:23, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: I wouldn't have tagged the driveways with access=private unless there was a sign that actually says so. Not because of any rendering issue, but because I am lazy and it doesn't really add any information. I think service=driveway

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
Hi Roland, On 21 January 2013 08:37, Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de wrote: Dear all, have you ever been annoyed that Mapnik doesn't render a name for a street or a pub, although you are interested in? Really nice and would be great to see it on osm.org. It is just a shame that so

Re: [OSM-talk] POI display on osm.org

2013-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
On 21 January 2013 13:49, Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de wrote: Having the icons on the map is unlikely possible, because there might be simply not enough space on the Mapnik map. Maybe so but having clickable POI's is a lot less useful if loads of them don't render. A lot of common

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store

2013-01-26 Thread Kevin Peat
On 25 Jan 2013 22:20, Apollinaris Schöll ascho...@gmail.com wrote: have used Vespucci until a year ago. At that time the user interface was way to complicated. I know it has improved since but cant test anymore without a Android device. I've used Vespucci a fair bit recently on my Nexus 7.

Re: [OSM-talk] Wow, Google Maps now has detailed maps for North Korea!

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Peat
On 29 January 2013 10:58, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote: comment. I tried that too and gave up. However, it's also covered by CNN Also covered by the BBC (seems like no comments) and Map Maker also got a good mention on BBC Radio 4 over breakfast this morning.

Re: [OSM-talk] STFU

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Peat
On 3 Feb 2013 00:31, Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com wrote: ...They don't contribute to the mapping that is presumably our primary interest. Open source projects have a philosophy about them, they are not just a pile of data and source code. Although the term 'geocode' is not core to OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Speed limits on Garmin

2013-02-11 Thread Kevin Peat
On 11 Feb 2013 18:33, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: What's the best tool to get Garmin devices to show maxspeed on screen? ... I would like to be proved wrong but AFAIK this isn't possible. You could generate a garmin map with roads coloured by speed limit but probably not worth the

Re: [OSM-talk] Display names of crossroads

2013-02-13 Thread Kevin Peat
On 13 Feb 2013 12:59, Hans Schmidt z0idb...@gmx.de wrote: Hello, Is there some way to display the names of crossroads on the OSM map? place=locality Kevin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Display names of crossroads

2013-02-13 Thread Kevin Peat
On 13 Feb 2013 14:20, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote +1, place=locality is generally a generic placeholder, which should/could be substituted by the time we dig deeper into toponyms and develop more specific classes... Well a place is just a named geographical location and I

Re: [OSM-talk] advice for getting a newer Garmin nüvi car navigation device?

2013-02-14 Thread Kevin Peat
On 14 Feb 2013 01:10, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org Annoyingly, most of the cool goodies like on-screen speed limit and overspeed alert and lane assist aren't available in the mkgmap output as far as I can tell¹... I have rolled my own OSM based maps for years using mkgmap for Etrex and an

Re: [OSM-talk] Build your own GPS receiver

2013-03-18 Thread Kevin Peat
Florian, On 18 March 2013 14:32, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: I'd rather go for getting your own OS running on a commercial GPS available e.g. the Garmins getting you DIY GPS receiver running is probably not that hard - but for what purpose? It'll neither be better on battery life,

Re: [OSM-talk] Build your own GPS receiver

2013-03-18 Thread Kevin Peat
On 18 March 2013 15:20, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: Why would that be a waste of time? One could workaround e.g. replace the Garmin stuff and let the multitude of OSM tags be displayed, probably even with a user preference... Wouldn't it be better to just start with an Android device

Re: [OSM-talk] Build your own GPS receiver

2013-03-18 Thread Kevin Peat
On 18 March 2013 16:18, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: Show me a smartphone with the screen turned on, gps running which lasts more than 3 hours... You are right there, but I wasn't really thinking of a phone. I have a Nexus 7 + waterproof case and *if* the screen was brighter it would make

Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names

2013-03-24 Thread Kevin Peat
On 24 March 2013 15:00, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Currently ist's really hard for anyone (not just Europeans) to do any change to the mapnik style due tu its complexity. That's why nobody really works on it; not because they don't care but because its freaking hard to get the

Re: [OSM-talk] Crossroad names

2013-03-24 Thread Kevin Peat
On 24 March 2013 16:38, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: What makes you think money is the problem? Money could help to speed up the process by buying time which people may not be able to give as a volunteer. Crowd sourcing map data works great because it is fun (for OSMers at least!) but

Re: [OSM-talk] iD Editor live on OpenStreetMap

2013-05-14 Thread Kevin Peat
On 14 May 2013 11:43, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: We would be alpha all the way into 2016 then. Really, we've been told that HTML5 SVG are taking over vector graphics for the web for nearly 5 years now. There are still painful holes in the implementations. Without things like

Re: [OSM-talk] iD Editor live on OpenStreetMap

2013-05-14 Thread Kevin Peat
On 14 May 2013 13:29, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 14/05/13 13:14, Kevin Peat wrote: I would imagine that most OSMers would have (at least) Firefox and Chrome/Chromium installed. If iD doesn't work so well on Firefox yet then why not put up a dialog at the start of a session

Re: [OSM-talk] iD Editor live on OpenStreetMap

2013-05-14 Thread Kevin Peat
On 14 May 2013 13:36, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: And some of us find the conditions G$ put on chrome is a reason NOT to have anything to do with it. It's bad enough the pressure to change for spurious reasons without having OPEN projects like OSM making the same demands :( Use

Re: [OSM-talk] iD Editor live on OpenStreetMap

2013-05-14 Thread Kevin Peat
Lester, On 14 May 2013 14:30, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: But I'm have been more than happy with seamonkey for many years so why would I switch to something else just because someone thinks they know better :( When they get proper email support back ... there may be a reason to

Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis

2013-07-12 Thread Kevin Peat
Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote What do I think? I think code counts - good quality, robust, deployable code. Routing will happen on the front page pretty much instantly if someone comes up with a top-quality UI and the resources to make it happen. So far they haven't. You can have

Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis

2013-07-13 Thread Kevin Peat
Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr wrote: It's not obvious at all, I even think this would have several negative effects: - rewarding contributions one way or another (like giving acces to some additional service) may push quite bad quality contributions (gamification for example is to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Anonymous edits on OpenStreetMap through Tor

2010-10-07 Thread Kevin Peat
Not sure about the security benefits of using Tor with OSM but I have messed with it in the past and the performance can be pretty poor and probably not great for an interactive Potlatch session. I've also read somewhere that flash apps can easily give away your local IP even when using Tor.

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft

2010-10-16 Thread Kevin Peat
On 16 October 2010 15:33, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Also, what's the scope - are we talking about a code of conduct for the mailing lists? for contributors to the database? for contributors to the wider OSM universe? This is a very good point. It is hard to see how a CoC

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct Draft

2010-10-16 Thread Kevin Peat
On 16 October 2010 16:01, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: That's really a technical issue: synchronizing accounts. Let's not get caught up in implementation details. Anybody who doesn't like readiing postings by ... just filter them. The problem with disruptive people goes

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=ford vs ford=yes

2010-11-02 Thread Kevin Peat
On 2 November 2010 10:27, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Maybe one day someone will come up with a smart, genuinely beneficial idea like that, and we can migrate the ford tagging over time. But they haven't done yet. This isn't a theoretical discussion, these edits have been

Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Data in OSM database

2010-11-09 Thread Kevin Peat
On 9 November 2010 12:46, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: historic ways that have been overlaid with a new road structure are not very common. I don't think that is true at all. Everytime a new housing estate is built there are changes to existing highways, new roundabouts, junction

Re: [OSM-talk] New site about the license change

2010-11-16 Thread Kevin Peat
On 16 November 2010 02:19, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I've been a little selective in quoting your message but I think you have correctly identified the split. Germany and the UK with high mapper density are probably for the new license and dumping the older data other parts of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best license for future tiles?

2010-11-22 Thread Kevin Peat
On 22 November 2010 18:32, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: it was simply assumed right from the outset that share-alike is the 'consensus'... Are there any concrete examples of share-alike actually benefitting OSM? It seems like a good thing for software projects but for OSM I don't really

Re: [OSM-talk] Is there an Android OS app for osm?

2011-01-03 Thread Kevin Peat
Also check out Oruxmaps that allows you to package osm and other maps for offline use. Kevin On 3 Jan 2011 23:15, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Is there an Android OS app for osm? nick *** WARNING: This email

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-25 Thread Kevin Peat
+1 on this idea I have used josm since I started with osm but still end up clicking fairly randomly on these icons. A menu would be way better. Kevin On 24 Jan 2011 22:41, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/24 Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com: Anthony wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread Kevin Peat
This is a very good point. In the past I have thought about contacting the mappers active in a particular area but it's a pain in the a*se to do something that should be trivial. The current OSM messaging system could really do with a bit more social thinking not just relying on users adding their

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-21 Thread Kevin Peat
Peter, The point isn't whether or not your tool will create correct route relations but what the point of doing that would be. I can understand creating route relations for long distance cycling/hiking paths that people actually want to navigate and historic routes (Route 66 comes to mind as a

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-21 Thread Kevin Peat
You don't need a route relation to do that just a ref tag. Kevin On 21 February 2011 17:40, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: Navigation, for starters : turn-by-turn indications are improved by being able to mention turn left on route 35. Besides, it is static geographic data

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-21 Thread Kevin Peat
to be done, some of which is tedious and easily performed by computers. ~ Peter Budny Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com writes: You don't need a route relation to do that just a ref tag. Kevin On 21 February 2011 17:40, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: Navigation

Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline updates

2011-02-25 Thread Kevin Peat
Is there any reason to still have the NPE layer accessible from the editors. It was useful in the pre-OS/Bing days but seems like a liability now? Kevin On 25 February 2011 17:47, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: I have edited coastlines in Cornwall last summer and they are still not

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-03-06 Thread Kevin Peat
Russ, You are spot on with this. I don't think UK contributors would currently be madly tracing OS data into OSM if it was easy to produce a complete UK map from OSM surveyed data with the missing bits filled in from the OS dataset. Until better tools are available people are going to keep

Re: [OSM-talk] the coastline

2011-03-22 Thread Kevin Peat
to the list as well On 22 Mar 2011 16:58, Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com wrote: On 22 Mar 2011 10:41, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Robin's point stands - should we mark the low water mark and the high water mark and render the littoral zone differently? I guess it is part

Re: [OSM-talk] We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities

2011-04-11 Thread Kevin Peat
On 11 April 2011 20:14, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, its not about the license at all - if you appeal to fans of licenses you'll attract nobody. Google will take potential users by providing an awesome end product; the sort if thing everyone can appreciate. Make some

Re: [OSM-talk] stat pr0n

2011-04-13 Thread Kevin Peat
On 13 April 2011 15:32, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Where to start. There's the obvious ones like most active contributor per region, first 100 nodes / ways (that persist), one /two/five-year contribution anniversary, first dog waste disposal bag dispenser in your home town, etc.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Kevin Peat
On 16 April 2011 17:00, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Isn't it funny how, just over a year ago, we couldn't care less about anything the Ordnace Survey did, and suddenly we are a project that must choose their license according to what is compatible with OS? ... I say to you the

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Kevin Peat
On 16 April 2011 19:42, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If people are indeed doing that then I would *definitely* suggest the fresh air option, no matter what we intend to do license-wise; see recent imports discussion on talk-gb (Adding a further 250,000 roads quickly using a Bot).

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-03 Thread Kevin Peat
On 3 May 2011 15:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: You seem to imply that relations are faster / less manual work requiring when entering addresses manually with one of the OSM editors, but from my own experience they require at least the same (manual) work, if not more.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike

2014-03-15 Thread Kevin Peat
On 15 March 2014 08:22:26 GMT, Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de wrote: Am 14.03.2014 12:43, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: IMHO, share alike is just like DRM on music What??? Come on, don't be foolish! DRM tries to prevent any reuse of date whereat Share Alike just requests to offer the data under

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread Kevin Peat
On 14 August 2010 10:14, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 August 2010 10:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I might miss the point: but why do some governments put their data under cc-by or cc-by-sa licenses if those are not suitable for data but only for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-25 Thread Kevin Peat
On 25 August 2010 08:41, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: It is bad enough if the share-alike minority force their will on the rest of the project now; we must not allow them to force their will on everybody who is in OSM in 10 years' time. I find this oft-repeated argument to be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] To calm some waters - about Section 3

2010-08-26 Thread Kevin Peat
On 26 August 2010 01:05, Sebastian Hohmann m...@s-hohmann.de wrote: Starting a new project would be like rebuilding the whole house, just to make it a new color. The upgrade clause is like repainting the house, but restricting this to only very few colors, might make a future owner unhappy.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp;amp; the new license

2010-10-07 Thread Kevin Peat
On 7 October 2010 10:43, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 10/07/2010 10:04 AM, Ed Avis wrote: Rob Myersr...@... writes: I'm coming to the conclusion that individual contributor of original data to OSM and institutional importer of a third party database should be treated differently,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin Peat
On 8 April 2011 11:38, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ed, transfer rights to the OSMF I believe that this is the (only) critical issue. To be open contributions need to be given freely and without restriction, so as to avoid the current situation where some contributors

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Permissibility of incorporating parts of an address from a business' website

2013-04-25 Thread Kevin Peat
On 25 April 2013 11:14, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es wrote: The folks who drafted the EU DB directive most likely were not aware that in a near future, a person from a country A could put data about country B in a DB inside a computer in a country C... But in their world view

Re: [Talk-GB] Mappers in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Somerset

2008-02-06 Thread Kevin Peat
time for mapping :-) ) I wasn't sure a mapping party would be ideal as what's most needed is mapping over a large area (i.e. driving), but it's certainly a possibility. On 4 Feb 2008, at 09:24, Kevin Peat wrote: I've very recently started to map my own area, Torbay in South Devon

Re: [Talk-GB] Clarifying tagging for footway/cycleway etc

2009-03-19 Thread Kevin Peat
Just an idea, practical doesn't come into it ;- But if we've always done it that way wins out every time then the maps we produce probably aren't going to be as useful as they could be. Kevin Tom Hughes wrote: Kevin Peat wrote: Richard Mann wrote: As a general principle, I think

Re: [Talk-GB] Mentors

2009-07-12 Thread Kevin Peat
Hi Jack, Welcome to mapping in the west country. Without any in-depth checking the service roads you've mapped look okay Drawing in a roundabout isn't too hard. Just split the road(s) that you want to insert the roundabout into, draw in a rough circle for the roundabout (doesn't have to be a

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-07 Thread Kevin Peat
these data may contain errors, you can use it at your own risk, but you can't sue us. This whole wikipedia comparison seems bogus to me. Kids use wikipedia to do their homework, people don't trust their lives to it like they do with maps every day of the week. I've used an OS map many times

Re: [Talk-GB] Using OS Shapefiles

2010-05-11 Thread Kevin Peat
Hi Chris, Thanks for this, very helpful. I just followed this through and converted data for some woods near me and it all worked okay apart from your ogr2ogr command line has the output and input files around the wrong way (gdal 1.7.2). Kevin On 11 May 2010 18:28, Chris Hill

Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Search Result in Devon or should that be Kelland Cross?

2010-07-06 Thread Kevin Peat
Ed, In fact, I don't think it should even be that. In rural Devon it is common for crossroads to be named - you can see the name on the side of the crossroad sign. This doesn't necessarily indicate a 'locality', although sometimes there are small villages or hamlets named after a

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging gates on cycle path

2010-07-20 Thread Kevin Peat
I think barrier=gate is more for open/closing gates across a highway (like a farm gate for instance) whereas barrier=cycle_barrier is for the typical offset barrier you see on paths/cycleways. Also tagging the barrier node as bicycle=yes|true might help the routing. Kevin On 20 July 2010

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

2010-07-22 Thread Kevin Peat
Nice work, but as the OS data is a good dataset and compatible with our current license why would anyone be surprised that people are using it. I've uploaded woods and waterways for my area so it looks pretty blue but the streets were surveyed on the ground and I would think that might be the same

Re: [Talk-GB] Why I'm not currently using OS Opendat as a source WAS The last 2%

2010-08-22 Thread Kevin Peat
However, that doesn't change the fact that the OS OpenData license is incompatible with the contributor terms, and DbCL, and quite possibly ODbL too. I thought this was still to be confirmed? It may not be that important to townies but there is a lot of value in the OS data for rural mappers

Re: [Talk-GB] Dorset/Wilts county boundary wrong...is there adefinitive source?

2010-09-08 Thread Kevin Peat
On 8 September 2010 10:07, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com wrote: Until the issue of whether the OS datasets can be used under the new license/CT is resolved it seems a bit pointless doing anything like this whatever the merits might

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area

2010-09-15 Thread Kevin Peat
Yes, that was exactly the same for me so local knowledge is definitely required. Kevin On 14 September 2010 21:44, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: At least one of the ones round here is the home/workshop of a roving bike mechanic, so treat the data with care!

Re: [Talk-GB] How to split the OS VectorMap District NaturalFeature_Line data into smaller squares?

2010-09-30 Thread Kevin Peat
Rather than splitting the data into smaller squares, I used the process described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OS_Shapefiles to extract specific things, in my case waterways and woods. You just extract the features you want in QGIS and the Python scripts can easily be modified to

Re: [Talk-GB] How to split the OS VectorMap District NaturalFeature_Line data into smaller squares?

2010-09-30 Thread Kevin Peat
are in many multiple segments so the process described doesn't really work. So I'm just trying to find an alternative. When OGR2OSM works, the results are good enough (to then modify with JOSM). On 30/09/2010 09:15, Kevin Peat wrote: Rather than splitting the data into smaller squares, I used

[Talk-GB] Fwd: Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-11-05 Thread Kevin Peat
Post to list as well -- Forwarded message -- From: Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com Date: 5 November 2010 09:27 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes To: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com On 4 November 2010 14:23, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO -apostrophes

2010-11-05 Thread Kevin Peat
On 5 November 2010 12:38, ke...@cordina.org.uk wrote: Aren't there two separate issues here:- 1) Disagreements between OS and OSM, 2) Representation of those disagreements in the tools. I'm quite happy with the ITO tools as they are but if they had the resources to render another map layer

Re: [Talk-GB] oscompare

2010-11-05 Thread Kevin Peat
It gets updated most days but from my observation is a day or two behind in picking up changes. Kevin On 5 November 2010 15:03, Nikolay Metchev nikolaymetc...@gmail.com wrote: I have only recently found the oscompare website as a result of joining this mailing list.

Re: [Talk-GB] Quiet lanes and one car per minute

2011-01-20 Thread Kevin Peat
Richard, I think in my part of the SW the large majority of highway=unclassified would be =1 car a minute average so just from a tagging perspective it would be a lot easier just tagging those few that are busier. Kevin On 20 January 2011 12:48, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
Hello Chris, I was wondering why you don't see any value in just adding the postcode centroids to the map? There are probably 25000+ buildings in my area so it isn't feasible for me to add them all and their addresses in less than a lifetime whereas adding the postcode centroids would surely

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
So I should delete the various admin boundaries in the db then as they cannot be viewed on the ground? That's great for Nominatim but what if I want to find a postcode on my Garmin? Kevin On 21 January 2011 09:58, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Because postcode centroids are not real -

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
*From:* Kevin Peat [mailto:ke...@kevinpeat.com] *Sent:* 21 January 2011 09:52 *To:* Chris Hill *Cc:* Talk-GB *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids Hello Chris, I was wondering why you don't see any value in just adding the postcode centroids to the map? There are probably 25000

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread Kevin Peat
...@raggedred.net wrote: On 21/01/11 09:51, Kevin Peat wrote: Hello Chris, I was wondering why you don't see any value in just adding the postcode centroids to the map? There are probably 25000+ buildings in my area so it isn't feasible for me to add them all and their addresses in less than

Re: [Talk-GB] pay_scale_area

2011-02-02 Thread Kevin Peat
I don't think this data serves any useful purpose. The polygon for my area cut right across the middle of arbitrary areas so I deleted it a long time ago. I've never had any feedback on that so assume no-one was using it. Kevin On 2 February 2011 10:40, Bob Kerr

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Kevin Peat
I agree with you 100% on this. I think if OSM is street-level complete (preferably with postcodes as well) then it will be picked up by a lot more developers for their iPhone and Android apps and the amount of feedback we could get would be a 100 times greater than now. A standardised, OSM hosted,

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Kevin Peat
Richard, I don't think we need a bot for this as the current tools seem quite adequate to me. If the missing streets are added this year then that would be great. Building a community is ideal but I think outside the successful parts of the country we are not going to get a lot of people wanting

Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect use of OS VectorMap District when mapping?

2011-02-09 Thread Kevin Peat
Hi Jason, I am the mapper (user:devonshire) who imported the woods in your first example around Dartmouth but it was last May so not exactly recently. The woods that are there now are a lot better than the NPE traced ones that we had before. I took the view at the time that importing the

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