Lennard wrote:
Maarten Deen wrote:
The server running the xapi service is down at the moment.
Any info on what the problem is and when it's going to be resolved?
And what is the status of the other two XAPI servers?
Bearstech seems to be perpetually testing, and xapi.openstreetmap still
hanoj wrote:
I have idea about relative positioned node on the line (crossing,
bus_stop, railway stops) object with no direct relation to geometry,
but with topology relation.
Currently I describe it even in a step further.
Imagine that you could contraint lines based on these properties; for
Peter Miller wrote:
What resources would be required to 'do it right'? Is it worth doing
that? Are there a group of people who want to do so?
We are currently under the flag of openstreetphoto flying with
Mikrokopters and Canon camera's to maken new aerial photography released
under
Peter Miller wrote:
Great stuff. Is it planned that this can be used as a DB of aerial
photography from other sources such as private planes or authorities
(just so long as the photography is released on a suitable license)?
My main problem with OpenAerialMap was that nobody responded to my
Eric Pritchett wrote:
I'm sure there are more advantages,
There is; there is no trade mark on the name :)
Stefan
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SteveC wrote:
On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote:
Eric Pritchett wrote:
I'm sure there are more advantages,
There is; there is no trade mark on the name :)
There isn't on openstreetmap either.
Ok, the first time they refused it:
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum
SteveC wrote:
Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name
So 'mark' means to me 'name' so OpenStreetMap was protected if it was
granted, yes?
in the UK and
Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem, not me.
I thought you did 'something' in the foundation too ;)
SteveC wrote:
Next I'm going to wake up in the morning and you'll be outside my house,
stalking me :-O
Not to worry, Saturday we started a project to have the Chamber of
Commerce in The Netherlands to be open 24x7 (like your patent office
they close at night).
I have already 1544818 persons
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Arlindo Pereira wrote:
Maybe not the appropriate thread for that, but we could stream the SOTM
09 videos with an Symbian S60 phone (such as N95) with Qik
(http://qik.com/). The software streams video in high quality, so
everyone can watch them
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Tom Hughes wrote:
...and that it would be better to group them into a small number of
changesets instead of creating one for each node.
It would be even better if the software that managed the backend would do
it automatically :) Now the editor is blamed for bad
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Robin Paulson wrote:
2009/6/13 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de:
Also - Is OpenStreetPhoto going to be usable for storage of ground level
photos of junctions, bridges etc which can be useful for photo route
planning or not. The name you have
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Jonathan Bennett wrote:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
No, the answer was not satisfying.
What part of it's not under our control didn't you understand?
Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :)
Stefan
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Jonathan Bennett wrote:
Stefan de Konink wrote:
Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :)
Great idea! How long do you think it will take you?
For me probably about an hour if Jeroen is online ;)
Stefan
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Discussions about Ipv6 is not wasted hot air. It is related to osm, because
osm should be based on it, but isn't. It shoud simply be done, then is no
further discussion about it.
Let's be pragmatic
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Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote:
Thomas Schäfer schrieb:
It is probably a moot point anyway because, as someone else pointed out,
either UCL does it or they don't and we would be the last ones to raise
a fuss with them over anything.
You don't want
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John Smith wrote:
Or you could use some binary format that reduces all the bloating produced by
xml.
...or database [files] as Rory McCann suggested, for direct usage.
Stefan
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SteveC wrote:
On 2 Jul 2009, at 08:57, Tom Hughes wrote:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the
application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet
(its
protocol) is
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John Smith wrote:
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote:
then you win.
If you want to win, all you have to do according to a previous poster
is draw up a migration plan for OSM.
As mentioned in the serious post before
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Jonathan Bennett wrote:
John Smith wrote:
I'm still scratching my head as to why this isn't possible to be honest.
It's possible, but it appears the people who think it's so important
just want to sit on their arses and have someone else do
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Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote:
An
implementation of the protocol for both the wiki and OSM in general
would mean that OSM coverage will be virtually global, and no longer
depending on broadband connections.
I wonder what the RTT would be from
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John McKerrell wrote:
Next week I'm giving a talk about OpenStreetView at the State of the
Map conference. One of the things I want to do with the project is try
to host all of the photographs that people take while they're out
mapping.
I
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malenki wrote:
John McKerrell wrote:
Next week I'm giving a talk about OpenStreetView at the State of
the Map conference. One of the things I want to do with the project is
try to host all of the photographs that people take while they're out
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Hi John!
John McKerrell wrote:
What I've been concentrating on is the
storing and managing of the photos.
Ok :) I don't mind who does it ;) as long as it gets done.
I had seen openstreetphoto and saw
that you had looked at this but I thought
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Valent Turkovic wrote:
I'm really impressed with what you have done, it is amazing!
Thanks :D I honestly don't know if it is sarcasm or not :D
How can others who wish to join start contributing aerial photos?
I think the best would be to submit rectified photo's with a
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marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:33:05 +0200 (CEST), Stefan de Konink
ste...@konink.de wrote:
n others who wish to join start contributing aerial photos?
I think the best would be to submit rectified photo's
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marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote:
So, how do you rectify your photos?
Hugin is very capable of doing it now; but we are actually planning to
extend it to make a more user friendly interface.
I tried to find a way quite a while ago but could
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Jochen Topf wrote:
Great suggestion. Just added it. :-)
I would like to mention something that had big coverage aswell before:
The Dutch (Amsterdam) Zoo, Artis.
http://bestofosm.org/?type=Mapniklon=4.91619lat=52.36590zoom=17
Stefan
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SteveC wrote:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2009-July/049514.html
I'm not going to apply on talk-de to tell you this:
inventing nodes, ways, segments (remember them?)
You *did not* invent the spaghetti model, please give
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SteveC wrote:
You *did not* invent the spaghetti model, please give credit to the
original inventor Stan Aronoff, in Geographic information systems: A
management perspective (1989).
Well i never read it and they're kind of trivial.
That was
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009, Matt Amos wrote:
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Stefan de Koninkste...@konink.de wrote:
SteveC wrote:
inventing nodes, ways, segments (remember them?)
You *did not* invent the spaghetti model, please give credit to the
original inventor Stan Aronoff, in Geographic
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Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
So here's hoping that SOTM visitors to Amsterdam will be able to
rectify this situation.
Sadly(?) the city of Amsterdam is about to close virtually the entire
redlight district... so I guess it would be a historic
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Tim Waters (chippy) wrote:
Neither the page on openstreetphoto.org nor
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OpenStreetPhoto gives any
detail about how us, the community can add photos to this database.
:')
Maybe you could look back in your
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2009/7/16 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de:
Tim Waters (chippy) wrote:
Neither the page on openstreetphoto.org nor
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OpenStreetPhoto gives any
detail about how us, the community
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Shaun McDonald wrote:
Can you please place information on the above wiki page on how to do
that with all the glory details, rather than having people rely on
searching through their mail archives, if they are subscribed to the
mailing list.
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, Laurence Penney wrote:
I was recently in Kaliningrad[1], where I had the opportunity to
inspect its seven bridges[2], the conundrum surrounding which, solved
by Euler, kicked off topology.
Much to my dismay I found that two of the bridges - numbers 3 and 4 if
you start
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Ian Dees wrote:
That's why Google uses high-res digital video cameras running on Firewire on
their rigs.
I was more expecting the Elphel board design ;) Using 20MP kodak's CCDs
like they use in their book digitizing stuff.
Stefan
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Tristan Thomas wrote:
Is there any method of adding photos etc. to OSM like there is for
Google Maps. For instance, if you navigate to somewhere on Google Maps,
it comes up with user submitted geo-tagged photos. Is there anything
similar for OSM? If not, should there
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Forgive my scientific ignorance, but are actual measurements even static
enough - I mean, if I measure radiation X at a certain place, is there
reason to believe that it will (in the absence of catastrophic events)
be more or less unchanged one month
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Turn on the Yahoo imagery, align the start and end points of the way, and
select the 'Tidy' function. Hey presto, the street is now correctly aligned
to the grid. You could have done this manually, but it would have taken 10
times as long and
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Stefan de Konink wrote:
And then you realise that the alignment of Yahoo Imagery is wrong
on most
places, and you have killed good vector material. Great job :)
Good vector material? Tell me, have you ever _seen_ TIGER?
Yes, and I have also
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
Assuming that yahoo is wrong, at least it will be consistently wrong
and it's trivially to mass move ways when you do get reference points to
re-align the data to.
Moving stuff in GIS is never trivial. You don't know why it is wrong, and
even if it looks
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote:
How does your town compare to Yahoo?
It seems to have an offset in both X and Y. But I can only see that
locally. I don't know if there is a more global problem.
I have only heard of trival shifts in the rectification being a problem.
I think it
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
You get 4 or more points on the ground by GPS and you align to that, I
meant suburb level, not an entire city or states or countries.
Already saw an OSM editor supporting realigning Yahoo Imagery based on
existing points?
Stefan
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, noh way jose wrote:
Has this been done/suggested yet?
I know it is been discussed, but it is only limited by your client. A
client should be able to do something like Xapi, selecting only a specific
layer, with dynamic filtering.
This would be great for all other sorts of
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Nick Black wrote:
* Give potential Local Chapter leaders and other community members the
change to discuss the proposed agreement
My biggest concern now is the mixture of not-for-profit and democratically
lead organisation. It is a big concern for me that the actual
Erik Lundin schreef:
I know RC helicopters as potential aerial photo source has been
discussed before, but today I read about some helicopter from DraganFly
and didn't find anything about them on the lists. They seem to be very
interesting for our purposes.
http://www.draganfly.com/
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SLXViper schreef:
This won't happen if you develop your own one ;)
We started with two and half Mikrokopter; the arrogance that we have
faced in that project. Unbelievable.
Now we are facing something real; Quadcopters are relatively great for
in
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SLXViper schreef:
Stefan de Konink wrote:
SLXViper schreef:
This won't happen if you develop your own one ;)
We started with two and half Mikrokopter; the arrogance that we have
faced in that project. Unbelievable.
Additionally, mikrokopter
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Erik Lundin schreef:
I don't really understand what you mean by open source here. If you
buy an RC helicopter, aren't you free to do whatever you want with it?
Typically an RC helicopter is not really what you want when you are
flying to make
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
--- On Mon, 17/8/09, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote:
Anyways I was pointed to a camera that records your
journey.
http://technabob.com/blog/2009/08/12/selfic-cube-7100-car-black-box-recorder/
Is 640x480 good enough?
;) ofcourse we want 1080p ;)
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Erik Johansson wrote:
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:35 PM, OJ Wojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
I'm just looking at ways of getting video-camera data into openstreetview
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georeference_video
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Elena of Valhalla wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Stefan de Koninkste...@konink.de wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
Is 640x480 good enough?
;) ofcourse we want 1080p ;)
is 640x480 good enough e.g to read street names and other signs?
Signs yes,
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Erik Johansson schreef:
Have you guys tried to take photos of signs with street names?
We a lot of photos of that :)
Stefan
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si...@mungewell.org schreef:
Using a decent mount (ie. DIY steady cam ideas) and in-built image
stablization in the camera may help.
Check also the ContourHD camera :) We are also experimenting with that.
Stefan
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si...@mungewell.org schreef:
Check also the ContourHD camera :) We are also experimenting with that.
Looks pretty sweet shame it doesn't have an external MIC input for
recording (FSK'ed) telemetery data such as speed/lat/log/ele/etc.
If
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si...@mungewell.org schreef:
From the Firewire camera link...
--
A last thing you might consider: CMOS sensors (and some CCD but it is less
efficient) have selectable 'regions of interrest' (ROI). This can increase
the framerate dramatically
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Peter Körner schreef:
Whooohoow this is so cool! Looks like a lot of Voodoo to me :)
As I saw from the samples It doesn't work well on blurred images, so it
won't work with sth. like a helmet or a car camera, would it?
Camera's are not by
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Kev js1982 wrote:
Round here (south Nottingham, uk) black on white, with post codes and
council name in red.
In the city itself most are black on white, with some old ones white on black.
Could anyone that actually knows `localized' streetsigns maybe provide
them lets say
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Jennifer Campbell schreef:
If this can be done with OSM data, would it be possible to create a
Transport Tycoon type game along similar lines? Create bus routes and
run trains, boats, trucks along real streets? The only thing that I
doubt
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Ed Avis schreef:
This is some interesting work from Microsoft Research, taking photos on
Flickr and processing them to create three-dimensional models of buildings
and cities. http://grail.cs.washington.edu/rome/
And again not a line of source
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Bev M Ewen-Smith schreef:
I am hoping to take my own vertical/near-vertical aerial photos.
Assuming that I can georeference them, what do I need to do to get
them to show up under Potlach so that I can trace from them?
For tracing and
NL is running on Cherokee, we have a 404 script that communicates with
renderd. I guess this can be used by lighttpd and nginx too.
Stefan
Op 1 okt 2009 om 03:58 heeft John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
het volgende geschreven:\
2009/10/1 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org:
hi,
I
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John Smith schreef:
2009/10/1 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de:
NL is running on Cherokee, we have a 404 script that communicates with
renderd. I guess this can be used by lighttpd and nginx too.
URL?
I tried to code something similar like
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Valent Turkovic wrote:
http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=40148
what to do with OSM mappers like these guys in this post?
They say that they are using Google Earth images :(
In some countries factual information is a legal source for derived data.
Stefan
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Dave F. wrote:
Do you have a list of countries where this is possible?
No list; but this paper will enlight you ;)
http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1051context=library_papers
So, are you saying that someone in Canada for instance could trace areas
At the GSoC there was a clear opening. Will pursue this when I'll feel
better.
Stefan
Op 29 okt 2009 om 12:05 heeft John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
het volgende geschreven:\
2009/10/29 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org:
look, a few days back someone (I think it was Richard
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote:
2009/10/30 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de:
At the GSoC there was a clear opening. Will pursue this when I'll feel
better.
It seems to me that Google prefers it a bit grey when it comes to
their suppliers, so I'm not sure you'll end up
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bernhard schreef:
Thanks for the hint. The problem now is, that iPhone ignores
Cache-Control. :-(
Maybe complaining at Apple helps, or just installing another browser :)
Stefan
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, Tom Hughes wrote:
What does our backup strategy have to do with the question of whether or
not it's a good idea to mirror the wiki with wget?
For what it's worth, the wiki is backed up nightly to a separate
physical location.
Can we get a url to wget the nightly backup
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009, frank mohr wrote:
The price is about 100 euro (using an existing GPS receiver):
Homegrown Arduino Clone about 20.00 euro
ADXL345 - Triple Axis Accelerometer 24.95 euro
IDG300 - Dual Axis Gyro56.00 euro
I think if you do the
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James Livingston schreef:
For example, I have inferred road positions from the CC-BY-licensed
Queensland DCDB-lite dataset, and have uploaded national park and
world-heritage areas from the CC-BY dataset on data.australia.gov.au.
As I'm not the
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Frederik Ramm schreef:
And there's a review in Dutch by an Internet lawyer of which I cannot
say whether it's good or bad:
http://blog.iusmentis.com/2009/07/15/open-source-databanken-de-opendatabanklicentie-versie-10
I can... before Arnoud
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SteveC schreef:
Of course they said that, they only support PD-like licenses *as a policy*.
What a non-sense, every academic works with attribution of past work.
Including attribution in testsets and data being available.
You are getting a bit
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Matt Amos schreef:
we're talking about moving to another
license with very similar requirements, but a different
implementation, and that's not open and free anymore? it would
really help me if i could understand your position.
Its honestly
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Matt Amos schreef:
1) continue to use a license which legal experts seem to agree doesn't
work for us.
2) move to a new license.
option (2) will likely mean that some data is lost and i don't think
option (1) is what people really want. which
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Lambertus schreef:
Sorry, but I don't see a lot of OSM people going over to 'the dark
side'. No matter how good or bad OSM is being run.
If I don't agree with how things are being done here at OSM then I'll
try to fix it, work around it or
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Maarten Deen schreef:
You cannot see the process how Cloudmade, Geofabrik and others process
their data. You do not get anything back from how companies that use OSM
for visual representation. And if Google offers OSM in GoogleEarth and
maps you
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Anthony schreef:
There's nothing stopping them from putting the tile servers behind a
restrictive TOS, requiring a key to use the API, and limiting the number
of accesses per key, is there?
Is there for Cloudmade? The routing api, their custom
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Anthony schreef:
You're confusing me with Lambertus. I never said anything good about
Cloudmade.
I'm not confusing you; it is current practice that the data is used. I
thought that was a /good/ thing. At least I came here for the usage of
data
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Lambertus schreef:
I have no problems with Google using my data, but only if others can
use it too, which means that the database should be accessible (the
planet dump). Your contributions are PD, which goes ever further, so
you agree with this?
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Peter Körner schreef:
Well TRAPI already exists for the purpose of providing efficient read
only access to the data for an area.
From the TRAPI wiki page:
Trapi does not store all tags, so Trapi data should not be used to
edit and
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SteveC schreef:
You cannot see the process how Cloudmade, Geofabrik and others
process their data.
Well the huge difference is that OSM is under a reciprocal license,
What a difficult set of words were that; honestly never heard of those
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SteveC schreef:
I have no idea what that means.
I had no idea about reciprocal license either.
Ask Google. It might have something to do with the fact that they
want to own all the data. Hint hint.
I have asked Google; Tim was sitting there
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SteveC schreef:
I think that developing their own tools, infrastructure, branding,
product management... for MapMaker might give away what they think
about that.
I think you are a little bit biased. Only a little bit :) And if this
is/becomes
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Frederik Ramm schreef:
Totally true, and actually a good argument for the PD case. Anyone who
takes OSM data and improves it privately is likely to to invest much
more in tracking OSM than it would cost him to just release his data
into OSM
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SteveC schreef:
doesn't apply to Geodata.
Because...?
Factual data. What you are attempting to enforce is the viral effect,
which directly is what you also try to overcome...
Stefan
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SteveC schreef:
So I can't license data because it's factual?
You cannot /copyright/ the data because it is factual. A license for
what you couldn't /copyright/ in the first place is not an analogy of
GPL vs BSD.
Anyway, back on planet Earth,
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SteveC schreef:
SteveC schreef:
So I can't license data because it's factual?
You cannot /copyright/ the data because it is factual. A license
for what you couldn't /copyright/ in the first place is not an
analogy of GPL vs BSD.
Why not?
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SteveC schreef:
Anyone that traces their trails might think this action is
creative. If that was as creative as writing a computer program or
an algorithm[1] that did this for you... then one probably
understand that one is not making a
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SteveC schreef:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and
*morally* I want it to be SA. The legal points you make are just
supporting cases that you're cherry picking to help
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SteveC schreef:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:50 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
You asked why it doesn't work, and there is a wealth of information
on the list and the wiki...
There are a lot of
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SteveC schreef:
You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't
protect the data, you don't have to ask anyone to do so?
Stefan
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On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
Isn't he merely stating that if you truly
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SteveC schreef:
You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't
protect the data, you don't have to ask anyone to do so?
to do what, relicense?
Exactly; if
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SteveC schreef:
Why don't you do it then, try and fork to CC0 or PD with planet.osm ?
Because I'm not convinced that CC-BY-SA won't hold ;) Especially related
some recent cases over here with the claim This was our intention the
intention for OSM
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Hi Frederik,
Frederik Ramm schreef:
Stefan de Konink wrote:
Exactly; if your statement is sound. CC-BY-SA doesn't protect us, thus
doesn't protect us against ourselves, thus OSMF could declare the data
today as ODbL, and wait to get sued
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SteveC schreef:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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SteveC schreef:
Why don't you do it then, try and fork to CC0 or PD with planet.osm ?
Because I'm not convinced that CC
Op 23-12-09 21:35, Roy Wallace schreef:
Via
http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/12/indigenous-mapping-new-google.html
Google and the Indigenous Mapping Network are teaming up to put on a
two day workshop on the Google campus to teach people from native
communities how to use Google's
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, enqd wrote:
I would like to ask if OSM or anyone can host this images to be used on OSM.
The images are here:
ftp://geoftp.ibge.gov.br/mapas/ortofoto/
Will be great to Brazilian users if we have this images as base to add
streets and places on OSM.
Hope someone can host
Op 10-01-10 05:30, John Smith schreef:
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4826436.New_threat_to_jobs_at_Southampton_s_Ordnance_Survey/
Sounds like the OS didn't have a RD department nor a business
department. If your entire operation is based around we do something,
you can buy it, then any
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