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On 2016-07-13 11:03, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: what3hands anybody? That would require surgery or snappy evolution, as most people (still) only have two hands. /kaare ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

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on 12.07.2016 at 18:13 Frank Villaro-Dixon wrote: And that's fucking shit! Completely agree! It is a proprietary system which is absolutely unlogical and non-deterministic looking from outside. Absolutely nothing that should be supported by a big FLOSS project like OSM! The only strong thing

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El Miércoles 13. julio 2016 13.06.45 Lester Caine escribió: > On 13/07/16 11:44, Dave F wrote: > > How about musical notation? We could sing our parcels to their > > destinations. ;-) > > Or even more radical ... just use numbers for time and location :) Somebody had that idea already.

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Hi, On 07/13/2016 12:37 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2016-07-13 12:24, Dave F wrote: > >> >> On 13/07/2016 11:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: >>> >>> W3W is a coordinate system... >> >> I fail to see how it can even be described as that as there is no >> coordination. The address of one block has no

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On 13/07/16 11:44, Dave F wrote: > On 13/07/2016 10:03, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: >> If written/spoken language is the barrier, maybe we should try >> something more cross-cultural, like signwriting language. >> http://signbank.org/iswa/cat_1.html what3hands anybody? > > How about musical

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On 13/07/16 12:44, Dave F wrote: On 13/07/2016 10:03, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: If written/spoken language is the barrier, maybe we should try something more cross-cultural, like signwriting language. http://signbank.org/iswa/cat_1.html what3hands anybody? How about musical notation? We

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 2016-07-13 11:35, Colin Smale wrote: On 2016-07-13 10:23, Lester Caine wrote: W3W and OLC both have the same problem. They are trying to fix something which is not really broken. I disagree with this... They are not trying to replace / fix up lat/lon, they are providing a lingua franca

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El Miércoles 13. julio 2016 11.44.44 Dave F escribió: > On 13/07/2016 10:03, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > > If written/spoken language is the barrier, maybe we should try > > something more cross-cultural, like signwriting language. > > http://signbank.org/iswa/cat_1.html what3hands anybody? > >

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El Miércoles 13. julio 2016 12.37.32 Colin Smale escribió: > > there is no coordination. The address of one block has no relation to > > adjacent ones. > > Agreed - it's not a coordinate system, it's an addressing system, i.e. a > way of encapsulating a location in a convenient manifestation.

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On 13/07/2016 10:03, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: If written/spoken language is the barrier, maybe we should try something more cross-cultural, like signwriting language. http://signbank.org/iswa/cat_1.html what3hands anybody? How about musical notation? We could sing our parcels to their

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El Miércoles 13. julio 2016 12.10.29 Frederik Ramm escribió: > [...] is a coordinate system, not an addressing system. I think there's a thin line separating the both. But this is not obvious to us europeans, I think. See south america: house addresses are the distance in meters to the start of

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On 2016-07-13 12:24, Dave F wrote: > On 13/07/2016 11:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> W3W is a coordinate system... > > I fail to see how it can even be described as that as there is no > coordination. The address of one block has no relation to adjacent ones. Agreed - it's not a coordinate

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On 13/07/2016 11:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: W3W is a coordinate system... I fail to see how it can even be described as that as there is no coordination. The address of one block has no relation to adjacent ones. Dave F. ___ talk mailing list

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Hi, On 07/13/2016 11:35 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > I disagree with this... They are not trying to replace / fix up lat/lon, > they are providing a lingua franca for people to use when communicating. > It's an alternate form of address, not an alternate form of location. No. It is a core element of

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On 2016-07-13 10:23, Lester Caine wrote: > W3W and OLC both have the same problem. They are trying to fix something > which is not really broken. I disagree with this... They are not trying to replace / fix up lat/lon, they are providing a lingua franca for people to use when communicating. It's

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El Miércoles 13. julio 2016 09.23.17 Lester Caine escribió: > Even something as simple as identifying the local time given some sort > of location identifier becomes unreliable when local variations of > language and custom are added in. If written/spoken language is the barrier, maybe we should

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On 12/07/16 21:44, Paul Johnson wrote: > The way I see it, it takes a simple problem and tries to make it > simpler, but at the same time, as soon as you start talking about a > situation in which language commonality is not a given, the whole thing > makes you understand the simple elegance of

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Hello Tim. Admirable post although I'm wondering if I'm often perplexed according to your very first sentence? Perplexion is at the vitriol - I myself - being a programmer who strives to be more civil than my nature would naturally be - understand the factual criticism levelled at

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On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Frank Villaro-Dixon < fr...@villaro-dixon.eu> wrote: > More importantly, the system is completely "brain-inefficient". If > everybody adopted this system you would then have to remember all the codes > for all the places whereas of now you don't need to. Your

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Heather and folks who are often perplexed, are you actually perplexed or do you understand but disagree? I ask because I have heard some mappers say the opposite: "I don't understand why people would choose w3w!!11". Is it a turn of phrase? Or a genuine plea for illumination? I often disagree

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> This is funny, because what3fucks: > > 1) Has variable precision > 2) Its fuckonyms are correlated > 3) Code can be downloaded and needs no network connectivity to do the > calculations > 4) Gives a fuck > > What a crazy random coincidence, huh?! PS: there is also an Pokemon implementation :)

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On 12 July 2016 08:46:08 GMT+01:00, Steve Doerr wrote: >On 12/07/2016 00:23, Dave F wrote: > >> This system [...] doesn't work in the real world. > >It's apparently used in Mongolia as of this month. So the proof of the >pudding . . . People have different criterias

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Am 12.07.2016 um 21:07 schrieb Mark Wagner: > .. > 3) ... and my GPS can't display it. That however is only the small problem of w3w paying the device manufacturer enough so they include it, or becoming popular enough so that the device manufacturer pays w3w for including it. Typically the

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On Tuesday 12 July 2016 12:07:36 Mark Wagner wrote: > 1) There's no way to reduce precision. > > 2) There's no correlation of names between adjacent locations. > > 3) It requires an internet connection. This is funny, because what3fucks: 1) Has variable precision 2) Its fuckonyms are

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There are three major problems with What3Words: 1) There's no way to reduce precision. I can say "the left front door of the Avista central office building", but I can't say "the Avista headquarters campus" or "downtown Spokane". 2) There's no correlation of names between adjacent locations.

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On 16-07-12 11:04:59, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson, wrote 2.4K characters saying: The circle-jerk is strong here about w3w, they have a human readable solution for GPS-coordinates (which OPL isn't sadly), they've pledged to offer the source code if their business goes belly-up and seem to doing a

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It should be noted that this discussion and the subject of the many jokes, ridicule, parodies etc. is a company, or rather a specific product of that company. Particularly given the fairly aggressive marketing of the product, but even without that, it is difficult to determine why personal

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>We're not PR people. We're engineers and developers, and communicate as such. I don't think its called communication. Communication is discussing ideas and respecting others point of view. I may see issues in what is being suggested I may have concerns about the ideas but communication should

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El Martes 12. julio 2016 14.12.06 Heather Leson escribió: > Well, slightly off-topic but I am often perplexed by the vitriol in OSM. Let me quote one of my personal heroes, Eric Raymond, from the FAQ in http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#keepcool : «Much of what looks like

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Well, slightly off-topic but I am often perplexed by the vitriol in OSM. I even shudder to post this statement because the environment has shown itself to be hard. Maybe we can have conversations at SOTM about how to turn this tide in a collaborative way. Heather Heather Leson

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I don't know if they are using the English version in Mongolia but I doubt it. You can already swap to 8 other languages on their website (top right option). I did discuss Icelandic with Mapillary and they looked into available word sets and concluded that it was more than sufficient to make

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So they are using the english version? What good does that do to the local people? It would be easier to learn the GPS coordinates. Janko uto, 12. srp 2016. u 09:47 Steve Doerr napisao je: > On 12/07/2016 00:23, Dave F wrote: > > > This system [...] doesn't work in the

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 12/07/2016 00:23, Dave F wrote: This system [...] doesn't work in the real world. It's apparently used in Mongolia as of this month. So the proof of the pudding . . . -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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On 11/07/2016 16:55, john whelan wrote: How would we make use of it? We won't. This system isn't relative. There's no way of knowing the address of the adjacent blocks. I doesn't work in the real world. Even antiquated UK postcodes have rough relativity. Let's face it, it's a joke. Dave

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Indeed. But it was from 2015. Why is it coming up again 6 months later? On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > 2016-07-11 12:30 GMT-03:00 Ian Dees : > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Blake Girardot >

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My preference would be the open source solution. The three words one assumes you will recognise the words and many locations use postcodes already these aren't much different. How would we make use of it? Thanks John On 11 July 2016 at 11:23, Blake Girardot wrote: > On a

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2016-07-11 12:30 GMT-03:00 Ian Dees : > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Blake Girardot wrote: >> >> On a slightly more serious note: >> >> There are other solutions to the issue of lack of addresses in large >> parts of the world. >> >> Google has put

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On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Blake Girardot wrote: > On a slightly more serious note: > > There are other solutions to the issue of lack of addresses in large > parts of the world. > > Google has put forth a solution that tries to address most of the w3w > issues. It is

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On a slightly more serious note: There are other solutions to the issue of lack of addresses in large parts of the world. Google has put forth a solution that tries to address most of the w3w issues. It is open source, works off line, non-propriety, usable for printed maps among other issues

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sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 lug 2016, alle ore 16:44, Iván Sánchez Ortega > ha scritto: > > Ahem. > > www.what3fucks.com WTF, that's brillant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

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El Lunes 11. julio 2016 16.37.03 Martin Koppenhoefer escribió: > Steve Doerr ha scritto: > > Just came across this story: > > http://qz.com/705273/mongolia-is-changing-all-its-addresses-to-three-word > > -phrases/ > maybe you're also interested in this Twitter account: >

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sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 lug 2016, alle ore 16:29, Steve Doerr > ha scritto: > > Just came across this story: > http://qz.com/705273/mongolia-is-changing-all-its-addresses-to-three-word-phrases/ maybe you're also interested in this Twitter account:

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Just came across this story: http://qz.com/705273/mongolia-is-changing-all-its-addresses-to-three-word-phrases/ -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ talk mailing list

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Hi, don't know why you warm up this thread after half a year but: On 05/10/2016 07:57 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > As for the "not open" or "can't depend on it", the company does have a > FAQ topic that's on point: It's not really on point because it only commits them to "maintain the

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> On 11/22/2015 2:39 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> >> I have heard a few times recently about what3words, a new novel >> coordinate/addressing system for the whole world. >> Could/should we be doing anything to support/facilitate/implement this >> system in OSM? > > I don't think it belongs in any

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On 30/11/15 14:28, Ian Dees wrote: > so could we maybe let this thread die? The Abu Dhabi perhaps shows a better understanding of the problems of managing addresses than the w3w project? But I've not looked to see if OSM is picking up on that initiative yet. Certainly since it is in effect a

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On 22/11/15 14:32, Colin Smale wrote: > By the way, just to be absolutely clear, I am not thinking of w3w as a > coordinate system in OSM, but as an addressing attribute similar to postcodes. On one hand, one plugs in the three word location to their app and get a coordinate which takes you

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I think their big attraction is the 75% (their figure) of the world that doesn't have a functional address system. The added value in the UK is indeed zero. In some tribal village in Africa for example where an address might not get any better than "3rd mud hut on the left after the group of 3

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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > In my example the party that needs to do the translation from w3w to lat/lon > would be Amazon, and they will probably be paying w3w for a licence to do > that. Wouldn't it be more likely that Amazon would invent their

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2015-11-30 12:59 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > In some tribal village in Africa for example where an address might not > get any better than "3rd mud hut on the left after the group of 3 trees" > the idea of giving all the dwellings a simple address might open the world > of

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Citeren Colin Smale : Correct, but the accuracy issue is a weakness in lat/lon based coordinates as well. If you use your consumer GPS or phone to find your lat/lon, you might indeed be a long way adrift and you might get different values on different occasions. Imagine

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On 30/11/15 11:59, Colin Smale wrote: > I think their big attraction is the 75% (their figure) of the world that > doesn't have a functional address system. The added value in the UK is > indeed zero. In some tribal village in Africa for example where an > address might not get any better than

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On 30/11/15 12:50, Colin Smale wrote: > Correct, but the accuracy issue is a weakness in lat/lon based > coordinates as well. If you use your consumer GPS or phone to find your > lat/lon, you might indeed be a long way adrift and you might get > different values on different occasions. Imagine

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Correct, but the accuracy issue is a weakness in lat/lon based coordinates as well. If you use your consumer GPS or phone to find your lat/lon, you might indeed be a long way adrift and you might get different values on different occasions. Imagine that you were relying on that to get your

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On 30/11/15 13:43, Marc Gemis wrote: > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Colin Smale wrote: >> > In my example the party that needs to do the translation from w3w to >> > lat/lon >> > would be Amazon, and they will probably be paying w3w for a licence to do >> > that. >

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The issue is as you say not an intrinsic problem with lat/lon but in the devices used to measure it. The 3x3m grid should however be sufficient for the purposes for which it is intended. It is not a designed as a competitor to lat/lon. In the hypothetical tribal village in Africa, all it

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Hi everyone, I think we've long-since strayed from the topic of conversation into critique of what3words. That's not really the topic of this conversation let alone the topic of this list, so could we maybe let this thread die? -Ian On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Lester Caine

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Also agreed. The existing latitude/longitude system has the advantage of being an international standard, supported by hundreds of different maps and mapping devices, not to mention the GPS satellite system. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Tom Taylor wrote: > Isn't it simply the equivalent of TinyURL for coordinates? > Not quite. TinyURL's point is to fit around limitations with some means of electronic communication in terms of handling certain characters or arbitrary

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s, Andrés From: Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 4:22 AM To: Martin Koppenhoefer Cc: openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] What3words On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com<mailto:

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On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Peter Gervai wrote: > On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 2:01 PM, ajt1...@gmail.com > wrote: > > On 22/11/2015 12:51, Colin Smale wrote: > > > ...and once again, as seems to be the norm in OSM, any minority interest > > which

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On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Jake Wasserman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Max wrote: > >> Additionally it is a mind booggling case of anglocentrism and neo >> colonialism to put english words all over parts of the world where >>

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2015-11-24 8:54 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > I think their idea is that you can quote a location with the words which > for humans is much easier to memorize and less prone to mishearing over > dodgy phone and radio links than lat/lon or some other scientific grid > reference.

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On 24/11/15 08:00, Paul Johnson wrote: Even if we completely ignore the licensing issues, there is a profit motive behind w3w. They gotta sell something. And I'd be shocked if it's not vanity words. So, say I start telling friends about this awesome sushi place at food.bear.utopia, but a

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-11-24 8:54 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > >> I think their idea is that you can quote a location with the words which >> for humans is much easier to memorize and less prone to

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On 2015년 11월 24일 14:29, Jake Wasserman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Max > wrote: > > Additionally it is a mind booggling case of anglocentrism and neo > colonialism to put english words all over parts of the

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They stopped selling OneWords. https://twitter.com/what3words/status/594070034625986561 On 2015-11-24 11:03, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 24/11/15 08:00, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Even if we completely ignore the licensing issues, there is a profit >> motive behind w3w. They gotta sell

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2015-11-24 10:26 GMT+01:00 Max : > thanks, didn't see it. unfortunately that just opens another can of > worms. translation problems. i wanted to go to topf.hut.auto but ended > up at pan.hut.car instead of pot.hat.car. > for obvious reasons, these are very likely

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tin Koppenhoefer Cc: openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] What3words On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com<mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: 2015-11-24 8:54 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl<mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl

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2015-11-23 11:27 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > They tend to emphasise the opposite: one building with a single address, > but multiple entrances; they can each have an individual w3w. thing is, in Italy they give each door/gate to the street a _house_number, and doors can be

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True, they admit the 3D aspect cannot be handled at the moment. They tend to emphasise the opposite: one building with a single address, but multiple entrances; they can each have an individual w3w. On 2015-11-23 10:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-22 15:32 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale

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2015-11-22 15:32 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > You argument about being able to derive the w3w from the geometry is > valid, but requires the use of the proprietary API. But as you mention > their resolution is 3m, and I have seen discussions where people point out > that their

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Additionally it is a mind booggling case of anglocentrism and neo colonialism to put english words all over parts of the world where people have different scripts and have no idea what those words mean and how they are pronounced. how is this better then a local addressing scheme or a

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On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Max wrote: > Additionally it is a mind booggling case of anglocentrism and neo > colonialism to put english words all over parts of the world where > people have different scripts and have no idea what those words mean and > how they

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I think their idea is that you can quote a location with the words which for humans is much easier to memorize and less prone to mishearing over dodgy phone and radio links than lat/lon or some other scientific grid reference. On 24 November 2015 08:45:18 CET, Paul Johnson

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On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:00 AM, Stefano wrote: > Hi, > just for reference in May I saw a discussion on okfn-labs on "opening up" > w3w by doing an open location code system (different from the Google one). > https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/okfn-labs/2015-May/001623.html > >

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Sent from my android device so quoting is crap! -Original Message- From: Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> To: Daniel Kastl <dan...@georepublic.de> Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:57 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] What3words On 2015-11-22 13:49, Daniel

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Andy, you are right, if you accept that the 3 or 4 people who have participated in this discussion are representative of OSM at large. But the most active inhabitants of this list and others are limited to maybe 10 people, who frequently use authoritative-sounding language like "we are not

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Hi Daniel, I didn't actually say there was any point in putting it in OSM, I just said "w3w exists, what could/should we do?" You argument about being able to derive the w3w from the geometry is valid, but requires the use of the proprietary API. But as you mention their resolution is 3m,

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Colin, Beside the different opinions about proprietary and closed technology, what is the point to add these 3 words as a tag? I don't really understand the benefit, because the relation between location (coordinates) and their address system is

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On 2015-11-22 15:47, Dave F. wrote: > On 22/11/2015 14:32, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I just said "w3w exists, what could/should we do?" > > The consensus appears to be "Nothing" Agreed. --colin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

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On 2015-11-22 13:34, Colin Smale wrote: On 2015-11-22 13:18, Maarten Deen wrote: I also don't understand this:"It's a non-hierarchical system. The problem with latitude and longitude coordinates is that if you make a mistake when writing them down you will be completely lost. But with our

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On 22 November 2015 at 11:07, Colin Smale wrote: > I guess there would be no objections to someone adding > addr:w3w:en=nice.place.here ? Or addr:w3w=en:nice.place.here ? > Ok, so turning it around, what would be the benefit of this? Why bother? What purpose does it serve? The only purpose

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As an infrequent poster to osm-talk I think I'm excluded from Colin's "3 or 4 people" and "most active participants" and am not in the Fetted Inner Core (at least I wasn't the last time I checked!) - however my views are similar to the ones previously, in this case, very sorry Colin! :-) In

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On 22/11/2015 14:32, Colin Smale wrote: I just said "w3w exists, what could/should we do?" The consensus appears to be "Nothing" Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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I guess there would be no objections to someone adding addr:w3w:en=nice.place.here ? Or addr:w3w=en:nice.place.here ? Surely the established addressing systems are also closed and proprietary, in the sense that some organisation with a sanctioned monopoly tells YOU what your address is - you

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Hi, On 11/22/2015 11:39 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > I have heard a few times recently about what3words, a new novel > coordinate/addressing system for the whole world. It's a blatant attempt at commercializing location. Under the (rather tasteless) guise of finally being able to bring Christmas

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On 2015-11-22 13:49, Daniel Kastl wrote: > The difference in their proprietary system (if you want to call > address systems in in countries closed and proprietary) is, that when > their API (and "algorithm") goes away, you won't find any address > anymore. It's totally unreliable to depend

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On 22/11/2015 12:51, Colin Smale wrote: ...and once again, as seems to be the norm in OSM, any minority interest which is not supported by the oligarchy gets mercilessly shot down. ... except it's not _just_ the "oligarchy", is it? No-one on this list seems to have a good word for

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Hi Colin, Am 2015-11-22 um 11:39 schrieb Colin Smale: > I have heard a few times recently about what3words, a new novel > coordinate/addressing system for the whole world. > > Could/should we be doing anything to support/facilitate/implement this > system in OSM? No. It is a propietary system

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I've read articles about it a few times, and for fun I sometimes post my w3w location on Facebook. But I don't know if it's achieved much traction. One maps site that I use from time to time, www.streetmap.co.uk, includes w3w addresses for searching and on its 'convert co-ordinates' screen,

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On 22/11/15 11:13, Steve Doerr wrote: Maybe our search box could do the same, either directly or through integrating into Nominatim. I wouldn't suggest storing w3w addresses in the main OSM database though. As I said we have been asked to do this at least twice and we have refused on both

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

Hi, just for reference in May I saw a discussion on okfn-labs on "opening up" w3w by doing an open location code system (different from the Google one). https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/okfn-labs/2015-May/001623.html See also https://github.com/pudo/open3words/issues/1 Regards, Stefano

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:07:43 +0100 Colin Smale wrote: > I guess there would be no objections to someone adding > addr:w3w:en=nice.place.here ? Or addr:w3w=en:nice.place.here ? Only in cases where such "adress" is displayed on the ground.

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-22 13:16 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole : > > While developing a similar system to w3w might be an attractive proposal, > have you checked what the w3w patent covers given that the thoughts in the > referenced issue would seem to result in at least a very similar system? >

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 13:16:24 +0100 Colin Smale wrote: > > > On 2015-11-22 13:04, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:07:43 +0100 > > Colin Smale wrote: > > > >> I guess there would be no objections to someone adding > >>

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 > > I guess there would be no objections to someone adding > addr:w3w:en=nice.place.here ? Or addr:w3w=en:nice.place.here ? > > Surely the established addressing systems are also closed and > proprietary, in the sense that some organisation

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 22/11/15 11:07, Colin Smale wrote: I guess there would be no objections to someone adding addr:w3w:en=nice.place.here ? Or addr:w3w=en:nice.place.here ? I don't see the point, and it's certainly not ground truthable. Integration with nominatim for example, which will need to use the w3w

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 2015-11-22 13:04, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:07:43 +0100 > Colin Smale wrote: > >> I guess there would be no objections to someone adding >> addr:w3w:en=nice.place.here ? Or addr:w3w=en:nice.place.here ? > > Only in cases where such "adress"

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 11/22/2015 2:39 AM, Colin Smale wrote: I have heard a few times recently about what3words, a new novel coordinate/addressing system for the whole world. Could/should we be doing anything to support/facilitate/implement this system in OSM? No. Other people might talk about the

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