Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in Monday evening, Volker wrote something like this: 4. 0.x is not supported anymore too. do not understand, what You mean by not supported, latest bugfix for 4.0.x was released three weeks ago. Yes. But there will be no butfixes further. Are there any known *showstoppers* for that release cycle? I really cannot remember one … Maybe: [-] (#0003362) The password of an account-group cannot be removed [-] another serious UTF-7 encoding bug in IMAP folder names which might cause IMAP unusable under Windows configured for multibyte-character as a default language (e.g. Chinese) [-] (#0007358) Newly created Folders could lost their data when they were moved outside parent folders and then renamed [-] NTLM authentication didn't work [-] Fixed a serious bug with state-dependent encodings like UTF-7 - last character could have been lost. [-] Fixed an AV when importing a corrupt address book [-] The Bat! failed to generate an RSA key pair with eToken Pro 4.20B [-] (#0006994) Registry entries are not removed completely during uninstall [-] bug in ImapUTF7Encode [-] (#0007297) Folder commands were not properly updated when the active folder changed while the main window was hidden [-] (#0007372) Error List index out of bounds (20) when doing drag-and-drop with message list tabs created by Quick Search [-] (#0007307) Windows/HTML editor doesn't support Insert/Overwrite, but the corresponding status bar element wasn't hidden. [-] (#0005868) Remind Later Textual Error [-] (#0007390) Memo box is in Address Book Group has fixed size even dialog is resizable [-] (#0006491) String: Orphan filters not translatable [-] (#0006488) Color names in in the color section combo-boxes were not translatable [-] When importing from Microsoft Office Outlook contacts, and a contact did contain a distribution list, The Bat! could not continue importing addresses. [-] (#0006335) When a Quick Search filter tab already existed, it was not focused by searching for the same text [-] (#0007339) Window state is always Maximized when starting with /minimize and restoring from tray [-] (#0007303) Size and position of Account properties dialog is not saved [-] (#0006329) Message list tabs were not restored from backup [-] (#0002495) Inconsistency when navigating between tabs using a keyboard [-] (#0001104) Account is not selected, if the user logs as a different The Bat! account [-] (#0005874) Tabs could be too narrow, e.g. the All tab in the folder tree and the message list. [-] (#0007266) Inconsistencies with default mailto: account -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi Christian, Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? Well, interface got a slight makeover, hasn't it? Makes it a little harder to read and wastes a little more screen space than before, but it's change, isn't it? And you saying that nothing at all had changed... Now, really. And since the functionality / design / usage / etc. is still 3.x - this is ridiculous to call this version 4.x - just because you need and want to fill your pockets once again. To be frank, the new fee isn't even the core issue for me. I did pay for a new version of Outlook/Office after all, new versions of respectable programs are usually not free. While I can well live with that, I also expect something for it. I want to see the program progressing (as in: getting better, opposed to regressing, as in TheBat), and I need to be convinced that the developement team has their stuff together. What RIT has demonstrated around here the past few years is a joke. NO WAY! Of course not. Since the TheBat developement desaster has been established (and this tragedy has been going on for years, let noone say there were no warnings) I've been transitioning the clients I service away from TheBat, some towards free alternatives like ThunderBird, some to Outlook, some to payed products. I'm the only one still using it around here, and that will cease too as soon as I've grown accustomed to the new surroundings in other programs. In the meantime there surely won't be a cent coming out of my own or, for that matter, my clients' pocket going even in the general direction of RIT. -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de pgpa3t45aoAZj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi Christian, Why the HELL do you guys think i should pay for an upgrade to 4.x when not even half the bugs have been fixed from 3.x?? Years ago, I bought from Rhinosoft their excellent FTP-Server 'Serv-U'. In the price was one year upgrade guaranteed. (you can also choose for a 2-year upgrade guarantee, you've to pay more of course then). After that period was over, I had to decide, whether to renew my subscription or not. Of course, shortly after that, a new version was introduced. So I renewed. I did that till this very month, every year again. The program became better and better, got feutures I never used, older bugs disappeared, new bugs came, several old bugs remained. I had to save money now, so I decided not to renew again and moved to the Open source FTP-Server FileZilla. It has the same functionality, it misses some luxury which I don't need at all. This is just one of many similar examples, the worst might be Microsoft itself with those many new operation systems over the last ten years. You pay a lot of money for an extremely buggy OS and you pay again for a next new OS with a bit new functionality but with lots of old and new bugs. And that begging and praying for Servicepacks is going around the world every time. Linux isn't an alternative for me, it needs too many commandline shit for the things I need. So I'm tied to M$. My problem with The Bat! there isn't an Open Source alternative yet, which has TB's functionality. IMO it's the best emailclient available at the moment, nevertheless how many bugs and wishes there might be (and there are). Zimbra, Eudora and Mulberry as open source emailclients aren't at the level yet I wish and need. I feel tied to TD at the moent, so I renewed my subscription for 4.1. Maybe next time not anymore. It depends.. -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) under Vista Ultimate 32 bit Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 10:08 schrieb Gunivortus Goos: My problem with The Bat! there isn't an Open Source alternative yet Thats not true, i take a look at Thunderbird with Lightning and is has all basic Features which The_Bat has, at least with extensions. I did tell very often that they should maybe not make Graphical improvements, better make IMAP new and improve the Features like they sometimes do. My Customers, which i installed The_Bat and they did pay for the v1 v2 Versions are back or away to Outlook, Incredimail, Thunderbird. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.1.1.5 TOP vs RETR
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 15:20:04, you wrote: Just asking: What is this good for? There are some servers (not quite usual) that remove a message that have been retrieved by RETR, so if you will get it from one computer , you will be unable to also get it on another. This option allows messages to be retrieved from multiple computers from that non-usual servers. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
Hello MAU, On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:07:53 +0100 GMT (31/10/2005, 05:07 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M One last thing, in case you happen to know. Moons ago there was a M discussion in this list about 'irony' and 'sarcasm' but it isn't still M clear to me what the difference is. Do you know? I ask because I am not M sure if I wrote and ironic or sarcastic message :) In any case, it may M help some of you understand why I may seem to you as quite tolerant M with some TB bugs, the programmers, release issues, etc. 1. Your message mid:923795788.20051030230...@rancho-k.com threaded. That's because I had parked your original message, to which I am replying. 2. I think it is irony rather than sarcasm, but I'm no expert. M Thanks for your time :) No problem. In fact, it was an enjoyable read, reminding us of why we stick with this email client. Myself since 1999, v1.34 IIRC. -- Cheers, Thomas. If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.1.1.5 TOP vs RETR
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 16:08:17, you wrote: If I did, I would have to add the required n parameter too, wouldn't I? No, The Bat! does this automatically to retreive a full message. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [UR] (was: 4.1.1.5)
Hi, The Bat! 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb4115.rar UR -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangr...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP5 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Options Icons
Hello Maxim, In editing plain text messages, the difference in appearance of the icon for the on/off options of Confirm receipt and Reading confirmation are barely distinguishable. Perhaps the check mark on the on icons should be green or there should be a big X over the icon when the feature of off. Whatever the solution, it should be as readily distinquishable as the adjacent icon for priority. Other thoughts? -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangr...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP5 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Volker, Monday, December 15, 2008, 10:25:59 PM, you wrote: 4.0.x is not supported anymore too. do not understand, what You mean by not supported, latest bugfix for 4.0.x was released three weeks ago. Yes. But there will be no butfixes further. Are there any known *showstoppers* for that release cycle? I really cannot remember one … I am not talking about pet peeves, but about bugs that make The Bat! unusable … Something resembling a proper IMAP implementation? In other words, a promise that has been made and broken, several times? -- Best regards, Robert Tomanekmailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 1:00:25 PM, you wrote: What I really expect/want - ROADMAP. I second that. -- Best regards, Robert Tomanekmailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
[Reply to: »Sebastian Murawski« · 2008-12-16 · 09:17 h (CET)] Moin, Sebastian! 4. 0.x is not supported anymore too. do not understand, what You mean by not supported, latest bugfix for 4.0.x was released three weeks ago. Yes. But there will be no butfixes further. Are there any known *showstoppers* for that release cycle? I really cannot remember one … Maybe: I think you got me wrong: All the bugs listed below (except the two UTF-7 bugs in IMAP and two minor bugs) *are* fixed in the 4.0.x release cycle, i.e. with a 4.0.39.39 all these bugs are fixed and you do not need to pay for a new license key. I wanted to know, if there are any old *not* fixed showstopper bugs, that make The Bat! 4.0.39.39 *unusable*? Okay, you may say that you do not want to work with a Beta, so you do not have all these fixes with the latest release of 4.0.x, which is the 4.0.38. But I really cannot say that this version is absolutely unusable. No offense meant! :-) [-] (#0003362) The password of an account-group cannot be removed == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] another serious UTF-7 encoding bug in IMAP folder names which might cause IMAP unusable under Windows configured for multibyte-character as a default language (e.g. Chinese) == Fixed in 4.1.1.3: Okay this one is not fixed in the 4.0.x release cycle, but this is maybe a showstopper only for Asian IMAP users of The Bat! [-] (#0007358) Newly created Folders could lost their data when they were moved outside parent folders and then renamed == Fixed in 4.0.39.31 [-] NTLM authentication didn't work == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] Fixed a serious bug with state-dependent encodings like UTF-7 - last character could have been lost. == Fixed in 4.0.39.35 [-] Fixed an AV when importing a corrupt address book == Fixed in 4.0.39.34 [-] The Bat! failed to generate an RSA key pair with eToken Pro 4.20B == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0006994) Registry entries are not removed completely during uninstall == Fixed in 4.0.39.39 [-] bug in ImapUTF7Encode == Fixed in 4.1.1.1: Okay this one is not fixed in the 4.0.x release cycle, but this is maybe a showstopper only for Asian IMAP users of The Bat! (see above) [-] (#0007297) Folder commands were not properly updated when the active folder changed while the main window was hidden == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0007372) Error List index out of bounds (20) when doing drag-and-drop with message list tabs created by Quick Search == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0007307) Windows/HTML editor doesn't support Insert/Overwrite, but the corresponding status bar element wasn't hidden. == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0005868) Remind Later Textual Error == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0007390) Memo box is in Address Book Group has fixed size even dialog is resizable == Fixed in 4.0.39.38 [-] (#0006491) String: Orphan filters not translatable == Fixed in 4.0.39.37 [-] (#0006488) Color names in in the color section combo-boxes were not translatable == Fixed in 4.0.39.37 [-] When importing from Microsoft Office Outlook contacts, and a contact did contain a distribution list, The Bat! could not continue importing addresses. == Fixed in 4.0.39.34 [-] (#0006335) When a Quick Search filter tab already existed, it was not focused by searching for the same text == Fixed in 4.0.39.31 [-] (#0007339) Window state is always Maximized when starting with /minimize and restoring from tray == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] (#0007303) Size and position of Account properties dialog is not saved == Fixed in 4.0.39.29, but verify fail (no showstopper = minor bug) [-] (#0006329) Message list tabs were not restored from backup == Fixed in 4.0.39.31, but verify fail (no showstopper = minor bug) [-] (#0002495) Inconsistency when navigating between tabs using a keyboard == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] (#0001104) Account is not selected, if the user logs as a different The Bat! account == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] (#0005874) Tabs could be too narrow, e.g. the All tab in the folder tree and the message list. == Fixed in 4.0.39.29 [-] (#0007266) Inconsistencies with default mailto: account == Fixed in 4.0.39.30 Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Viewer profiles - are they sticky?
Is there a way to make a particular Viewer Profile (used in the message preview window) to be permanent? -- Best regards, Costas Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in Tuesday morning, Volker wrote something like this: Yes. But there will be no butfixes further. Are there any known *showstoppers* for that release cycle? I really cannot remember one … Maybe: I think you got me wrong: All the bugs listed below (except the two UTF-7 bugs in IMAP and two minor bugs) *are* fixed in the 4.0.x release cycle, i.e. with a 4.0.39.39 all these bugs are fixed and you do not need to pay for a new license key. I wanted to know, if there are any old *not* fixed showstopper bugs, that make The Bat! 4. 0.39.39 *unusable*? Okay, you may say that you do not want to work with a Beta, so you do not have all these fixes with the latest release of 4.0.x, which is the 4.0.38. But I really cannot say that this version is absolutely unusable. I not say that TB v4 even in Beta cycle is unusable. I only write that there is couple of bugs that are not fixed in FINAL version and in v4.0.x FINAL will be not fixed. RITs policy is ~ number UP, support DOWN ... In this case this is my opinion of course. What I really expect/want - ROADMAP. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.5 TOP vs RETR
Hello Maxim, On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:47:19 +0200 GMT (16/12/2008, 20:47 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: Just asking: What is this good for? MM There are some servers (not quite usual) that remove a message MM that have been retrieved by RETR, so if you will get it from one MM computer , you will be unable to also get it on another. This MM option allows messages to be retrieved from multiple computers from that non-usual servers. Thanks for the explanation. Luckily, I have never come across such a server. If I did, I would have to add the required n parameter too, wouldn't I? -- Cheers, Thomas. Es wird immer komplizierter einfach zu leben. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.5 TOP vs RETR
Hello Maxim, On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:51:35 +0200 GMT (16/12/2008, 21:51 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: If I did, I would have to add the required n parameter too, wouldn't I? MM No, The Bat! does this automatically to retreive a full message. I see. The total concept looks like a very good idea then. -- Cheers, Thomas. Seen on the back of a biker's vest: If you can read this, my wife fell off! http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[UR] 4.1.1.5
am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 11:57 schrieb Maxim Masiutin: The Bat! 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) is available Up + Running -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:11:28 +0100, MAU wrote: The very last paragraph of the forwarded message: One more last thing. I don't want to start any further discussion with this message, so don't bother to reply unless you really think you can point a real alternative for me ;-) Is even more true today. You're missing the point. The reality is very simple. Fact 1: Ritlabs is advertising a Release Version (4.0.38) on its WWWebsite. Fact 2: There is a list of KNOWN issues and bugs in this Release Version. IMO, the courteous thing to do for Ritlabs would be to handle the issues, fix the bugs and provide the user (who isn't aware of the ongoing Alfa-, Beta-, RC- or whatever development and who probably doesn't need version 4.1.x) with a 4.0 Release Version that is as stable and usable as possible. Ritlabs doesn't do that. Instead they are throwing in yet another series of half baked Alfa- Beta-, RC- or whatever versions that have some bugs fixed and others introduced to a group of beta-testers who are just able to say: up and running. This is not an incident, it has gone on for many, many years. I have given up four years ago. I don't want to pay in order to be used as a guinea pig. If you are happy with it and want to continue using it, that's fine. But I think you should not try to obfuscate TheBat's troubles by merely trumpetting its virtues. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 12:11 schrieb MAU: point a real alternative for me ;-) ;-) -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[UR] (was: 4.1.1.5)
[Reply to: »Maxim Masiutin« · 2008-12-16 · 11:57 h (CET)]
Moin, Maxim!
The Bat! 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) is available at
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb4115.rar
Up and running!
Cheers!
VA
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Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB
I have given up four years ago. I don't want to pay in order to be used as a guinea pig. If you are happy with it and want to continue using it, that's fine. But I think you should not try to obfuscate TheBat's troubles by merely trumpetting its virtues. Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? It's FREE. It has IMAP, FIlters and plugins so you can make it exactly the way you want it. -- Rick Some people come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay for awhile and leave footprints on our hearts. And we are never, ever the same. - Unknown v4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [UR] (was: 4.1.1.5)
Hello Volker, The Bat! 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb4115.rar Up and running! Ditto. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Robert, What I really expect/want - ROADMAP. I second that. Isn't Google Maps good enough? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
Hello Rick, Actually this should be discussed on TBOT... Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 5:40:25 PM, you wrote: R Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? It's FREE. It R has IMAP, FIlters and plugins so you can make it exactly the way you R want it. But be warned: the financing of these free products might well vanish due to the effect of the economic/financial crisis of which we have not seen the full impact yet. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) with MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (1 days 9:43:32) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB
Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away from TheBat! advanced capabilities... -- Mackley I'll stay with TheBat! 4.1.x Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
4.1.1.5
The Bat! 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb4115.rar What's new in 4.1.1.5 since 4.1.1.4: [-] (#0007336) Double confirmation to save/abandon changes in an open editor window on program exit [+] /POP3FORCETOP command line option to use TOP command instead of RETR on POP3 Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
Hello Rick, Actually this should be discussed on TBOT... Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 5:40:25 PM, you wrote: R Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? It's FREE. It R has IMAP, FIlters and plugins so you can make it exactly the way you R want it. But be warned: the financing of these free products might well vanish due to the effect of the economic/financial crisis of which we have not seen the full impact yet. Well Mozilla has bountiful forums in which to complain. My tongue was firmly planted in my cheek when I posted that BTW :)) There was supposed to be an upgrade fee for v4 and they pushed it back to v4.1. We are discussing bugs in a BETA forum (list) and people are complaining that the release is buggy. Uh .. YEAH! IF you don't want to deal with bugs, unsub from the beta list and go back to the last stable release, or Thunderbird, or Pocomail or whatever blows your dress up. Don't just stay here and toss out disheartening comments to the Ritlabs developers who are working as hard as they can to make it the best product out there. It not only saps their strength, but really, it is JUST PLAIN RUDE Ritlabs team - thanks for all you are doing -- Rick In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell v4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:32:22 AM, Mackley wrote: Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away from TheBat! advanced capabilities... you can try 'em all, but if you've been using TB! you're spoiled. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Viewer profiles - are they sticky?
Hello Costas, Is there a way to make a particular Viewer Profile (used in the message preview window) to be permanent? That I know of, there is not a place where you can easily tick a box to select the your default. But this what I did when profiles where introduced to do exactly what you want. I wanted to keep somewhere the layout (fonts, colours, etc.) of the default Generic profile. So, I created a new profile that I called 'Was default' with exactly the same settings the Generic one had. I then modified the Generic profile to my preferred fonts, colours, etc., and I was (and am) a happy man. :) Please notice that if you modify Generic profile this will affect also the Editor as it is the default profile there. In my case, I wanted that too. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:34:31 -0500, Rick wrote: Well Mozilla has bountiful forums in which to complain. My tongue was firmly planted in my cheek when I posted that BTW :)) No, your reaction was very silly and also beside the point because I already stated that I had given up on The Beta! four years ago, and if you'd checked the headers of my message you would have seen that I'm using Forte Agent. There was supposed to be an upgrade fee for v4 and they pushed it back to v4.1. We are discussing bugs in a BETA forum (list) and people are complaining that the release is buggy. Uh .. YEAH! To me all The Beta! versions are the same. Alfa versions, Beta versions, Release Candidates, Releases... It's all the same old unfinished bussiness as usual. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB
Hi Mackley, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:32:22 AM, you wrote: Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away from TheBat! advanced capabilities... I agree with you completely. The Bat has a great interface and many advanced features (some of which I possibly will never have the need or desire to use). This is why I have bought a license and two upgrades in 2 1/2 years (July, 2006; 21 Nov 2007; and yesterday). At the same time, I think Opera, Thunderbird and even the new Yahoo! Zimbra have more efficient, reliable and easier to set up (!!) IMAP implementations. I should add that I use Gmail's IMAP system (having used its POP system for years before). I greatly respect the RitLab team, and believe that in time, TB's IMAP implementation will match those others. In some ways, TB's IMAP implementation reminds me of that of Mulberry - many, many settings but too complicated for mere tech mortals. BTW, TB is still my primary mail client, but when I repeatedly get the warnings of cannot retrieve message body because of processing error, I start up Thunderbird to read the message. Eventually, it will show up correctly in TB but that might be 10 minute or more away and involve restarting TB. I cannot speak about other IMAP systems, generally. I do have a very seldom used fastmail.fm account for use with an organization, and they give detailed setup instructions for many of the clients. Their IMAP system seems excellent. -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
No, your reaction was very silly and also beside the point because I already stated that I had given up on The Beta! four years ago, and if you'd checked the headers of my message you would have seen that I'm using Forte Agent. Um ... you are correct, I didn't think to examine your message headers. Would you kindly condescend to clarify something for my feeble intelect? 1) You haven't used the bat in 4 years 2) The various releases are all unfinished business as usual WHAT are you doing here? -- Rick Help bring to a close, the Age of Greed v4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi Jens, My problem with The Bat! there isn't an Open Source alternative yet Thats not true, i take a look at Thunderbird with Lightning and is has all basic Features which The_Bat has, Well, we disagree. No problem. :-) -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) under Vista Ultimate 32 bit Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:32:22 AM, Mackley wrote: Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away from TheBat! advanced capabilities... you can try 'em all, but if you've been using TB! you're spoiled. I left the Bat and ended up coming back. I share some links in groups and use Outlook Express for that since I can copy pictures and words with underlying links from web pages and paste them into emails and they will work which the bat cannot do at this point. Also OE can embed sounds When Ritlabs starts working on that part of the HTML editor I will get very interested but I am certainly not going to get abusive because it does not currently have those particular features. It has so much more. -- Rick Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and discovering that she looks like a haddock. - John Barrymore v4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Viewer profiles - are they sticky?
Hello Miguel, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:39:48 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): That I know of, there is not a place where you can easily tick a box to select the your default. Thank you for your very informative reply. Not being able to fix a particular Viewer Profile was something that was annoying me. Now, I know what to do. ;) -- Best regards, Costas Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB
Hello all, I think the 3 years old message below fits well with current ongoing discussions in this list. Of course, my requirements to find a replacement for TB have grown since the message was sent because, no matter what some may say, TB has added functionality and improved quite a bit since v3.62.07 which was at the time used to send the message. The very last paragraph of the forwarded message: One more last thing. I don't want to start any further discussion with this message, so don't bother to reply unless you really think you can point a real alternative for me ;-) Is even more true today. Best regards, Miguel ===8==Forwarded Message=== From: MAU m...@rancho-k.com Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:07:53 PM To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com Subject: Need help to find an alternative for TB Hello all, I know some of you will be surprised with the subject of this messages but, yes, it says what it says. I haven't had enough time (and my slow typing speed doesn't help either) to more actively participate in these past few days discussions about bugs, if they are showstoppers or cosmetic bugs, if the latest release should have happened, or not, if the programmers are doing this or that when we would like them to do that or this, etc., etc. Aside of not having time, it is always difficult to discuss about bugs. What may be a showstopper for some may just be cosmetic for others, and we must all accept that. I, for example, don't care about IMAP because I don't use IMAP accounts and I don't foresee using it in the near future. But I can fully understand that those of you that need/use it may be upset if it doesn't work as it should. Anyway, for a number of reasons that I will not explain now (may take too long to explain) I have decided to look for an alternative for TB. Since looking for alternatives and evaluating them will certainly take time and I don't have that much (as I have said before), and since I believe many (some?) of you are seriously considering leaving TB and moving to another email client and maybe have already evaluated some, is why I would kindly ask from you to advise me if you know of a package that will allow me to do most of the things I do with TB now and that have become essential for my work. OK, these are some of the things the alternative package should have or should allow me to do (in no specific order): - It should allow to create multiple POP accounts and allow me to set different time period for each for checking incoming email. With different identity for each and different templates for new, reply, forward and print for each account. It should also allow me to set a different Address Book for each account, which, in turn, requires that I can create and use as many ABs as I wish. I currently use 20 accounts. - It should allow the creation of a folder tree with subfolders to any level of deepness and the possibility of setting different identities for each folder or subfolder. These, the different identities, I use for example for mailing lists and newsgroups. I may have different accounts for different news servers and then different identities for each newsgroup. I currently have 540 folders plus some 80 Virtual Folders. - Since I have already mentioned ABs, aside of being able to create and use as many ABs as needed, it should allow the creation of groups and assigning AB entries to more than one group. Also, it should be possible to define new, reply and fwd templates for AB entries and groups. - And talking about templates, it should allow account, AB (entry and group) and folder templates. Yes, folder templates may be (or seem) 'dangerous' but I do use them quite a bit. Ah!, of course it should allow QTs (Quick Templates) and the nesting of templates and QTs (I'll give an example later). - Obviously, when talking about templates I should not forget about Macros and Regexp. A range of macros similar to TB would be ideal. - I should be able to set message deletion criteria at folder level, with the possibility of moving messages to a different folder which, together with the 'Keep messages for N days' option will allow me to archive 'old' messages. - Before I finish with folders, it should allow me to set View Modes and threading mode at folder level. I currently use 17 view modes and in most folders I always thread by Reference which, to me, is the 'natural' way to thread. - It should allow the use of different viewers and editors, although I basically use PTV and MicroEd. If only one editor is offered, I would prefer it is as similar as possible to MicroEd (I love it). - It should allow different ways of searching. Like with Message Finder, Quick Search, VF filtering and quick filtering with Alt+click. - And since I have just mentioned VFs again, and before I forget, it should allow the creation of normal (physical) folders, Virtual Folders _and_ Watch folders (also called Chat
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:06:03 -0500, Rick wrote: Would you kindly condescend to clarify something for my feeble intelect? 1) You haven't used the bat in 4 years I still have an old version (v2.12) on one of my computers. I'm using it periodically with the purpose of archiving the e-mails that have been collected by my mail server. It has one major flaw. It tends to choke on retrieving when large amounts of mail are residing on my server. 500 or more I'd say. But I've found a work-around for that problem. 2) The various releases are all unfinished business as usual Let's just say The Beta! is an neverending nonstop piece of work in progress. WHAT are you doing here? There has been a time, during versions 1.x, when I saw real potential in The Beta! Version 2 would be a complete rewrite in C++ and IMAP would be implemented. So I still had my hopes. The reason I'm still lingering on on the The Beta! lists is a mixture of nostalghia and curiosity. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
4.1.1.6
The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb4116.rar What's new in 4.1.1.6 since 4.1.1.5: [-] (#0006955) Loading Images in HTML messages caused scrolling back to the start [-] (#0007246) Clipboard contents wasn't checked at Sorting Office's firts launch [+] New macro SETCLIPBOARD that sets the Windows Clipboard to the argument of this macro [-] (#0006285) Fixed a bug occurring with Exchange (MAPI) accounts when there were not profiles in the system. It could happen when POP3 protocol changed to MAPI and I click to Specific settings radio button or creating a new MAPI account. [-] Hints didn't work in the status bar Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.6
The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb4116.rar What's new in 4.1.1.6 since 4.1.1.5: [-] (#0006955) Loading Images in HTML messages caused scrolling back to the start [-] (#0007246) Clipboard contents wasn't checked at Sorting Office's firts launch [+] New macro SETCLIPBOARD that sets the Windows Clipboard to the argument of this macro [-] (#0006285) Fixed a bug occurring with Exchange (MAPI) accounts when there were not profiles in the system. It could happen when POP3 protocol changed to MAPI and I click to Specific settings radio button or creating a new MAPI account. [-] Hints didn't work in the status bar Up and running -- Rick In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell v4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.6
Hi Max, What's new in 4.1.1.6 since 4.1.1.5: [-] (#0006955) Loading Images in HTML messages caused scrolling back to the start Fixed. ... Happiness is a having a twit filter. -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Vista Ultimate 32 bit Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.5 TOP vs RETR
Hello Maxim, On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:57:59 +0200 GMT (16/12/2008, 17:57 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM [+] /POP3FORCETOP command line option to use TOP command instead of RETR on POP3 Just asking: What is this good for? From RFC1725 we learn: RETR msg Arguments: a message-number (required) which may not refer to a message marked as deleted Restrictions: may only be given in the TRANSACTION state Discussion: If the POP3 server issues a positive response, then the response given is multi-line. After the initial +OK, the POP3 server sends the message corresponding to the given message-number, being careful to byte-stuff the termination character (as with all multi-line responses). TOP msg n Arguments: a message-number (required) which may NOT refer to to a message marked as deleted, and a non-negative number (required) Restrictions: may only be given in the TRANSACTION state Discussion: If the POP3 server issues a positive response, then the response given is multi-line. After the initial +OK, the POP3 server sends the headers of the message, the blank line separating the headers from the body, and then the number of lines indicated message's body, being careful to byte-stuff the termination character (as with all multi- line responses). So, an n parameter would also have to be added by the user. But then, what is it good for to download only the first n lines of a message? You will have a reason to implement this, I am just curious to hear it. -- Cheers, Thomas. There are 10 different kinds of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.1.1.6 [UR]
Hi Gunivortus, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:44:02 AM, you wrote: Hi Max, What's new in 4.1.1.6 since 4.1.1.5: [-] (#0006955) Loading Images in HTML messages caused scrolling back to the start Fixed. Ditto! U and R. -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.6 [UR]
[Reply to: »Bob Riley« · 2008-12-16 · 20:00 h (CET)] Moin, Bob! What's new in 4.1.1.6 since 4.1.1.5: Ditto! U and R. Jau, here too! Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.« – Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »Mostly Harmless« Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.6
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:29:19 PM, you wrote: MM What's new in 4.1.1.6 since 4.1.1.5: MM [-] (#0006955) Loading Images in HTML messages caused scrolling back to the start Much more comfortable than before! MM [+] New macro SETCLIPBOARD that sets the Windows Clipboard to the argument of this macro Is there actually a webpage (or other source) where we can find a summary of all macros (and arguments)? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) with MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (0 days 1:34:3) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
Hello Arjan, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:28:30 PM, you wrote: AdG The reason I'm still lingering on on the The Beta! lists is a AdG mixture of nostalghia and curiosity. Nostalgia can be very dangerous. It might lead to the wrong decisions. Take for instance Wouter Bos who thought it was a good idea to buy what was left of an old underperforming bank, judging it was worth putting at risk Benelux-solidarity and now will have to explain to his people that he actually wasn't as smart as he pretended to be, realizing that the 1 billion euro loss that showed up yesterday is only the beginning of the nightmare... :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) with MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 (0 days 1:19:3) on Dual Intel Pentium III Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
Hello Arjan, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:28:30 PM, you wrote: AdG The reason I'm still lingering on on the The Beta! lists is a AdG mixture of nostalghia and curiosity. Nostalgia can be very dangerous. It might lead to the wrong decisions. Take for instance Wouter Bos who thought it was a good idea to buy what was left of an old underperforming bank, judging it was worth putting at risk Benelux-solidarity and now will have to explain to his people that he actually wasn't as smart as he pretended to be, realizing that the 1 billion euro loss that showed up yesterday is only the beginning of the nightmare... :-) I think I'll invest in Ritlabs instead ... -- Rick Some people come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay for awhile and leave footprints on our hearts. And we are never, ever the same. - Unknown v4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Christmas promotion?
Hi, Ritlabs: now that we know that spending some cash for the 4.1 upgrade is inevitable -- any chance for a Christmas promotion (with reduced prices), as in previous years? -- Best regards, Robert Tomanekmailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.6
Up and running ! -- Mackley Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
NO WAY! Of course not. Since the TheBat developement desaster has been established (and this tragedy has been going on for years, let noone say there were no warnings) I've been transitioning the clients I service away from TheBat, some towards free alternatives like ThunderBird, some to Outlook, Pegasus Mail has a very nice, FREE, 4.51 version. http://community.pmail.com/files/folders/11243/download.aspx As a registered user of The Bat! I read all the discussions here about pay or not pay for a new update, remember: Pegasus is free! I can also advise you to look at other paid programs, like: Clyton, http://gammadyne.com/eclient.htm or Pocomail, http://www.pocosystems.com/home/index.php?option=content; task=viewid=5Itemid=25 So, there is more then The Bat!-)) Hans some to payed products. I'm the only one still using it around here, and that will cease too as soon as I've grown accustomed to the new surroundings in other programs. In the meantime there surely won't be a cent coming out of my own or, for that matter, my clients' pocket going even in the general direction of RIT. -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:alto.speckha...@gmx.de Current beta is 4.1.1.3 (RC1) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3694 (20081215) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( -- Mackley who tries every client mailreader for PC Windows ! Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
[Reply to: »Arjan de Groot« · 2008-12-16 · 19:28 h (CET)] Moin, Arjan! 2) The various releases are all unfinished business as usual Let's just say The Beta! is an neverending nonstop piece of work in progress. … like nearly 100% of all the other software. Just curious … Could you please be so kind and show me/us just one software, which is finished, i.e. *no* further work/improvement is needed, and which is completely bugfree, i.e. no further bugfixing/service packs are required. P.S.: RITLabs forces no one at gunpoint to buy a new version. If one does not agree with RITLabs product policy, he is free not to upgrade and to work with the previous version of The Bat! or to try another mail client [1]. It's up to you. »The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armor to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place.« Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) [1] As you have already done, Arjan. Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. -- Mackley who tries every client mailreader for PC Windows ! Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3696 (20081216) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
[Reply to: »Hans Stam« · 2008-12-16 · 20:43 h (CET)] Moin, Hans! Of course not. Since the TheBat developement desaster has been established (and this tragedy has been going on for years, let noone say there were no warnings) I've been transitioning the clients I service away from TheBat, some towards free alternatives like ThunderBird, some to Outlook, I can also advise you to look at other paid programs, like: Clyton, […] or Pocomail […] Why don't you recommend AK-Mail, which you are using yourself? ;-) Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:va%20%3...@ahrendt.net%3e?subject=[tbb]%20 Using The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 3. »Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, Hans Stam wrote: Pegasus Mail has a very nice, FREE, 4.51 version. http://community.pmail.com/files/folders/11243/download.aspx As a registered user of The Bat! I read all the discussions here about pay or not pay for a new update, remember: Pegasus is free! guys, if is Tbird or Pegasus usable enough for You, than You probably do not need The Bat!, really. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, Hans Stam wrote: Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. who uses newsgroups today? I have used them since 1999, but for today, this is a dead service. BTW newsgroups can be integrated to The Bat! bia external utility. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, Robert Tomanek wrote: Something resembling a proper IMAP implementation? In other words, a promise that has been made and broken, several times? developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi Marek, who uses newsgroups today? I do. I have used them since 1999, but for today, this is a dead service. Ehm... I still carry several very usefull newsgroups. BTW newsgroups can be integrated to The Bat! bia external utility. I had to throw that away, it didn't work under Vista. So Forté Agent 4.1 is active here for the News. As for other mailclients.. from the time TB couldn't handle well HTML, I've still Incredimail blush. It's inactive since TB has a rather good functioning HTML, but it had given me for that time the opportunity to read my html papers and periodicals. -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Vista Ultimate 32 bit Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi Hans, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 12:58:10 PM, you wrote: Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. Like someone else who just posted (Mackley?), I have tried every email client known to man (and more besides...). Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe that PocoMail doesn't do a full job with IMAP - it only synchronizes with the Inbox, as I recall - at least as of a year or so ago. Bob Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Hans, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:58:10 PM, you wrote: Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. ...which both could be implemented via plugins. I read and post usenet news using The Bat (though I am also user of Forte Agent and beta tester of it) I could live without RSS and truth to be told I don't get what RSS has to do with a mail client. SmartBat and Scheduler (and of course IMAP) should be developed more. SmartBat is quite handy but it could be much much better for keeping notes (for example note tree, categories etc). Scheduler could be also be much much better, in fact I would rather like the bat to replace outlook completely. Poco's Barca is on the right track but Barca is based on Pocomail and Pocomail is inferior. I would love Ritlabs to make a product like Barca... (Not necessary The Bat, it could be another program like The Bat Business edition...) -- George M. Menegakis Using The Bat v4.1.1.3 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello Marek, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:07:03 PM, you wrote: who uses newsgroups today? I have used them since 1999, but for today, this is a dead service. I do. As do many people. BTW newsgroups can be integrated to The Bat! bia external utility. Agreed. And, this is not a priority item for me (but it would be nice anyway, some time in the future). -- Best regards, Robert Tomanek mailto:tbb...@mail.robert.tomanek.org Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hi Marek, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 1:08:18 PM, you wrote: developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. I will admit that I quite curious about this upcoming development! -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hello all, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, Robert Tomanek wrote: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:07:03 PM, you wrote: who uses newsgroups today? I have used them since 1999, but for today, this is a dead service. I do. As do many people. and for which purpose, if I can ask? BTW newsgroups can be integrated to The Bat! bia external utility. Agreed. And, this is not a priority item for me (but it would be nice anyway, some time in the future). I do not expect, such feature will be yet implemented, there are more important features like calendar or internal RSS support. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.6
Hello all, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, Mark Partous wrote: MM What's new in 4.1.1.6 since 4.1.1.5: MM [-] (#0006955) Loading Images in HTML messages caused scrolling back to the start Much more comfortable than before! agree MM [+] New macro SETCLIPBOARD that sets the Windows Clipboard to the argument of this macro Is there actually a webpage (or other source) where we can find a summary of all macros (and arguments)? some months ago, I have started creating list of all internal and external (plugin) macros including almost 500 entries with version when were introduced, syntax and description. I want to have it in database and maybe in more languages, but had a little time latest months to work on it. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.3 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.6
Hello, [-] (#0006955) Loading Images in HTML messages caused scrolling back to the start Confirmed Best regards, -- Juraj Matel email: j.ma...@atlas.sk web: www.thebat.sk Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, at 21:08:18 [GMT +0100] (which was 21:08 where I live) Marek Mikus wrote: developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. I will, got my registration code 5 minutes ago ;-) -- Met vriendelijke groet, Henk M. de Bruijn _ The Bat! Natural Email System 4.1.1.5 RC1 (BETA) on Windows Vista 6 0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 AntispamSniper for The Bat! 3.0.1.3 pgpvbk237ubj2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Registration - v4.x
Hello Hans, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 2:58:10 PM, you wrote: Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. FYI, Pocomail is in full beta testing right now. The RSS feature works very well. Jerry -- Best regards, Ethanmailto:qualityoff...@consultant.com Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 1:58:10 PM, Hans Stam wrote: Not agree, besides that, the program has also RSS and newsgroups.. My Swiss Army Knife has a corkscrew. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi Volker, on Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:16:43 +0100GMT (16.12.2008, 11:16 +0100GMT here), you wrote: VA ... All the bugs listed below (except the two UTF-7 bugs in IMAP VA and two minor bugs) *are* fixed in the 4.0.x release cycle, i.e. VA with a 4.0.39.39 all these bugs are fixed and you do not need to VA pay for a new license key. I wanted to know, if there are any VA old *not* fixed showstopper bugs, that make The Bat! 4.0.39.39 VA *unusable*? Not that I'm aware of. I'm using an older version too - I didn't find the time to participate in this cycle... :( If you are content with your version of The Bat!, keep it and be happy. There is no obligation to upgrade if you don't want to. I know people who work happily with TB! v2.x or even 1.x. All of them are excellent programs. :D -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v4.0.34 on WinXP, SP3, 5, 1, build 2600 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, several newsgroups via MyGate OTFE disabled AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 1024 MB RAM Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML Editor issues
When using the HTML editor it continues typing to the right and scrolling left. This has been fixed before and keeps breaking I think I see what might be the problem. Replies are in a table of sorts and if the reply is several levels deep it gets wider and wider thus creating a horizontal scroll bar. I am thinking this has something to do with it It is annoying. A typed message should wrap within the confines of the editor window I should think. -- Rick The fragrance always stays in the hand that gives the rose. - Hada Bejar v4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Options Icons
martes, 16 dic 2008 at 16:22, it seems you wrote: Perhaps the check mark on the on icons should be green or there should be a big X over the icon when the feature of off. Whatever the solution, it should be as readily distinquishable as the adjacent icon for priority. Other thoughts? I vote for it. The problem it's TB! uses only one icon to this actions. The solution should be the use of two icons and a good customization of them. -- /\/ Using The Bat! 4.1.1.4 RC1 (BETA) Professional / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 3) /\/ e t \/ i c i o u s Plugins: AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.3 and miniRelayPlug 0.05.50 Moderator of Spanish TBUDL Spanish Translator of The Bat! Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Options Icons
Hello NetVicious, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 5:40:27 PM, you wrote: N The problem it's TB! uses only one icon to this actions. The solution N should be the use of two icons and a good customization of them. Just like TB! is using in the adjacent priority choices/icons! -- Best regards, Richardmailto:newmangr...@gmail.com -- Using The Bat! v4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP5 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:52:50 +0100, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Let's just say The Beta! is an neverending nonstop piece of work in progress. like nearly 100% of all the other software. No, most software development is done step by step, feature by feature, improvement by improvement. Just curious Could you please be so kind and show me/us just one software, which is finished, i.e. *no* further work/improvement is needed, and which is completely bugfree, i.e. no further bugfixing/service packs are required. Forte Agent is an example of such software. On the Forte WWWebsite there is a roadmap. We know what we can expect in the next version. Beta testing is being done by a closed group of beta testers. And when version 5 will at last hit the main road we KNOW it will be a finished product without any easily discernable or obvious bugs. Development-wise, Forte Agent is the complete and absolute opposite of The Beta! Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hallo Christian, I don't get the point why all the Beta Testers have to renew anything. Ich read this E-Mail-List, I test and evaluate this software, I take some time to answer questions or to ask some... why do I have to pay? -- Gruß Roman __ Dipl.-Inform. Roman Mülchen Fakultät II Informatik, Wirtschafts- und Rechtswissenschaften Institut für Rechtswissenschaften C.v.O. Universität Oldenburg 26111 Oldenburg Tel.: (+49) 441 798 4092 Fax: (+49) 441 798 4136 E-Mail: roman.muelc...@uni-oldenburg.de Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hallo Christian, I don't get the point why all the Beta Testers have to renew anything. Ich read this E-Mail-List, I test and evaluate this software, I take some time to answer questions or to ask some... why do I have to pay? We are ALL customers who VOLUNTEERED to beta test -- Rick Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest. - Alexandre Dumas v4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi Mackley, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:47:01 PM, you wrote: Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( And the last time I tried it, couldn't cope with hundreds of thousands of emails and search. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated The Bat! 4.0.38 Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Hi Mackley, Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:47:01 PM, you wrote: Hans... PocoMail is a very bad copy of TheBat! with a very ugly interface... :-( And the last time I tried it, couldn't cope with hundreds of thousands of emails and search. I tried POco and it has a slick interface but if you use it for any length of time you will start running into walls ... things it can't do. -- Rick Some people come into our lives and quickly go. Some stay for awhile and leave footprints on our hearts. And we are never, ever the same. - Unknown v4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:25:01 -0500, Rick wrote: Ich read this E-Mail-List, I test and evaluate this software, I take some time to answer questions or to ask some... why do I have to pay? We are ALL customers who VOLUNTEERED to beta test I guess yelling up and running in reply to any of the frequent Alfa-, Beta-, RC- or whatever version announcements, or answering questions of even more d*m***t*d The Beta! customers, doesn't really count as beta testing. On the other hand I also believe that Ritlabs has already awarded the few people who have actually made genuinly valuable contribu- tions to the The Beta! development with free upgrades to future versions. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:25:01 -0500, Rick wrote: Ich read this E-Mail-List, I test and evaluate this software, I take some time to answer questions or to ask some... why do I have to pay? We are ALL customers who VOLUNTEERED to beta test I guess yelling up and running in reply to any of the frequent Alfa-, Beta-, RC- or whatever version announcements, or answering questions of even more d*m***t*d The Beta! customers, doesn't really count as beta testing. On the other hand I also believe that Ritlabs has already awarded the few people who have actually made genuinly valuable contribu- tions to the The Beta! development with free upgrades to future versions. Are you insinuating that they don't appreciate my well crafted up and running postings? I work hard on those! -- Rick Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and discovering that she looks like a haddock. - John Barrymore v4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:13:32 -0500, Rick wrote: Are you insinuating that they don't appreciate my well crafted up and running postings? I work hard on those! I'm sure Ritlabs are thrilled to bits by your revelatory communications, but alas they won't get you a free ride. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Are you insinuating that they don't appreciate my well crafted up and running postings? I work hard on those! I'm sure Ritlabs are thrilled to bits by your revelatory communications, but alas they won't get you a free ride. What can I say? I have become a Ritlabs automaton. They say PAY! and my hand proceeds jerkily towards my wallet. They issue a new version and I yet again craft an up and running prose complete with all my system information for their perusal. My free will is gone. [sigh] -- Rick Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and discovering that she looks like a haddock. - John Barrymore Commodore 64 Turbo 512k memory Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:52:50 +0100, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Forte Agent is an example of such software. On the Forte WWWebsite there is a roadmap. We know what we can expect in the next version. Beta testing is being done by a closed group of beta testers. And when version 5 will at last hit the main road we KNOW it will be a finished product without any easily discernable or obvious bugs. Development-wise, Forte Agent is the complete and absolute opposite of The Beta! You are right Arjan..we know indeed what we have to expect, click here: http://www.forteinc.com/news/bulletin.php?id=agent50update Hans Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3697 (20081217) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
we know indeed what we have to expect, click here: http://www.forteinc.com/news/bulletin.php?id=agent50update WOW ! Nested folders !!! :-D -- Mackley for Usenet groups I use http://www.mesnews.net Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.6
Hi Maxim, On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, at 20:29:19 [GMT +0200] (which was 19:29 where I live) you wrote about: '4.1.1.6' [-] (#0006955) Loading Images in HTML messages caused scrolling back to the start Working now. Thanks for the quick fix. -- Robert van der Hulst t...@heliks.nl Using The Bat! 4.1.1.6 RC1 (BETA) on Windows Vista.6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
Marek, On 16-12-2008 21:08, you wrote in mid:46439853.20081216210...@ipex.cz: Something resembling a proper IMAP implementation? In other words, a promise that has been made and broken, several times? developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. Well, why did they not do that before? IMAP has been broken for years and I have upgraded twice on the promise of better IMAP. These promises have never been made good. There are still basic errors in IMAP and I am not paying for another version until these are fixed. I have lost my faith with RitLabs' ability to deliver on their promises. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.0.39.39 (BETA) Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. /env. os Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
