Re: 8.5.8.2
I had an AV when a certain forum notification came into one of my e-mail accounts. I ended up reading and deleting that e-mail on my smartphone... I'll try to figure out how to make this a useful bug report. :-) Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB 8.5.8.2 - same problem with Gmail IMAP accounts (serious!)
I am a Voyager user, but I installed a TB version also, to test if it has the same problem with Gmail IMAP accounts (see my previous replies to all new Voyager versions announcements here). And it does! I tried with TB 8.5.8, then with 8.5.8.2. With my Gmail IMAP accounts it's impossible not only to login, but even to shut down TB properly, I have to kill the entire TB process. I couldn't find an installer for TB 8.2.4.3. Can anyone point me to that installer? I would like to test it, and I bet that version works (it does, as far as Voyager is concerned). Something must have been broken after that and it is still. -- Luca - e-mail: p.stevens at libero.it Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
Title: Re: 8.5.8.2 Hello Ira, Friday, July 27, 2018, 12:05:16 PM, you wrote: There is something seriously wrong with filters. twice now I have had an email from one person filtered incorrectly. Once it moved her email to a mailbox in another account and today it will not move her email where it belongs even though the report at the end of the Re-filter command shows it processed that email and that it matched the filter it was supposed to. OK, now I can explain the second one as it was marked as parked, but no error is generated saying a filter ignored a message because it was parked. But on the other hand, there is no way that message should have been marked parked as the first time that filter fires the message was just downloaded. The only filter that marks messages parked first moves them to a third folder before parking them so that one didn't fire either. Once I removed the parked flag, the filter ran just fine. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
Title: Re: 8.5.8.2 Hello Maxim, Monday, July 23, 2018, 5:47:31 AM, you wrote: The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) is available at There is something seriously wrong with filters. twice now I have had an email from one person filtered incorrectly. Once it moved her email to a mailbox in another account and today it will not move her email where it belongs even though the report at the end of the Re-filter command shows it processed that email and that it matched the filter it was supposed to. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
Title: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement) Hello The, Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 8:41:57 AM, you wrote: Sometimes, >>> Deliberately not signed. ;-) >> This arrangement is, of course, exactly what spammers want. Maxim's intent for this group >> was, I suspect, to make it easier to reply without having to check whether you are sending to the >> group and not to the message originator. > Sometimes I prefer to reply in private instead of sending to the list. And if one of us were to be infected with an email virus, his computer would not be able to spread that virus to the rest of us through this list. That is, without infecting the list server, which would be a logical next step in the evolutionary predator/prey cycle of computer viruses. That may be, but TheBat! is a communication tool. If it strips out who the author of the email is, communication is interrupted. My email provider has a pretty good virus detector. It detects viruses and deletes infected messages without sending them to me. Pretty good system. It also awaits the next step. -- Gleason That's the right thing to do. Not anonymise all emails in a mailing list. -- Cheers, Thomas. Travel Map: http://matadornetwork.com/travel-map/db757901ff009eef93a2fc09521fb6bf-1482632877 Message reply created with The Bat! 8.4 under Windows 10.0 Build 17134 ____ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
Guten Tag, The Bat Beta, this mail comes to you from Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de (this is true, but since this is just text, it could by anything) am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 17:42 schrieben Sie: > DMARC compliant MTA servers receiving messages with a from header that > is at odds with the domain of the reply-to are spoof or phishing > mails. This is nonsense. The operators of such MTA should check RFC 5322, the current standard for Internet mail, and correct their wrong assumptions. The standard is quite clear that the actual author (the one on the FROM field) and the SENDER of the message can be different persons with different mailbox addresses and then, of course, different domains. I have dozens of email addresses on half a dozen of more domain names, and I am free to direct replies to any other address of mine, different from me as the author, i.e. the FROM address (BTW, I have also activated SPF for four of my domains). It is completely normal for mailing lists, that the SENDER field, showing the address of the mailing list processor, contains a different address with a different domain than the FROM field, i.e the actual author of the content of the message being distributed by the mailing list. Spoofing the acutal author as being somebody different than the real author is the biggest help the spammers and criminals can hope for. The peak is the current situation of this mailing list. The ultimate horror and ultimate tool for spammers. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
Guten Tag, tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com, this mail comes from Lüko Willms, who studies network mail since the early 1980ies. am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 10:11 schrieb Max Masiutin, fraudulently presented as "tbbeta": > Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 10:43:36 AM, you wrote: >> Of course, with the change in list message addressing, it is now vital >> to state who you are in the body of the message or with a signature >> footer. > Can the list preserve the name of the sender? FIRST, the name of the SENDER is the mailing list. The FROM address is the acutal author of the message, the one who is responsible for the content of the mail. Before this treacherous change, at least the NAME of the author was preserved in the already falsified FROM field, by giving him a false mailbox address. The only proper solution is that the FROM remains unchanged from the actual AUTHOR of the message, and the SENDER shows the addres of the mailing list. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de____ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
Hello The, We may need to change our salutation macros... > The reason for the change is, as Dierk pointed out, How do I find Dierks message(s) in message list (see attached)? -- Who cares who I am ;-) Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
The, > On 24 July 2018 at 16:05 someone wrote and made > these points TBB>> Deliberately, >>>>> I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, >>>>> but not >>>>> your name. >>> There is no X-Return Path on the mail I reply to herewith. >>> That only works for the sender to get info to send the message to, >>> and not for the receiver. >>> Deliberately not signed. ;-) TBB>> This arrangement is, of course, exactly what spammers want. > It is. I can no longer determine the originator of any message should > any abuse issues arise. I predict this list could rapidly become a > nightmare to moderate. TBB>> Maxim's intent for this group was, I suspect, to make it easier TBB>> to reply without having to check whether you are sending to the TBB>> group and not to the message originator. > It was not. The reason for the change is, as Dierk pointed out, that > DMARC compliant MTA servers receiving messages with a from header that > is at odds with the domain of the reply-to are spoof or phishing > mails. But not necessarily, of course. My email provider offers a large range of domains that a user can have for aliases. A couple I use are mm.st, and fea.st. My from header domanin might not be the same as my reply to header. > Max has had issues with key users not receiving TBBETA > announcements because they sit on the other side of a DMARC compliant > server. I suspect there really is no good solution that fits everybody. Except maybe to be sure that your TB folder setup does not specify a different domain in your reply to field that what is in your from field. > ... -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
On 24 July 2018 at 16:05 someone wrote and made these points TBB> Deliberately, >>>> I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, but >>>> not >>>> your name. >> There is no X-Return Path on the mail I reply to herewith. >> That only works for the sender to get info to send the message to, >> and not for the receiver. >> Deliberately not signed. ;-) TBB> This arrangement is, of course, exactly what spammers want. It is. I can no longer determine the originator of any message should any abuse issues arise. I predict this list could rapidly become a nightmare to moderate. TBB> Maxim's intent for this group was, I suspect, to make it easier TBB> to reply without having to check whether you are sending to the TBB> group and not to the message originator. It was not. The reason for the change is, as Dierk pointed out, that DMARC compliant MTA servers receiving messages with a from header that is at odds with the domain of the reply-to are spoof or phishing mails. Max has had issues with key users not receiving TBBETA announcements because they sit on the other side of a DMARC compliant server. ... -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpnuAtoX4gDd.pgp Description: PGP signature ____ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
Sometimes, >>> Deliberately not signed. ;-) >> This arrangement is, of course, exactly what spammers want. Maxim's intent >> for this group >> was, I suspect, to make it easier to reply without having to check whether >> you are sending to the >> group and not to the message originator. > Sometimes I prefer to reply in private instead of sending to the list. And if one of us were to be infected with an email virus, his computer would not be able to spread that virus to the rest of us through this list. That is, without infecting the list server, which would be a logical next step in the evolutionary predator/prey cycle of computer viruses. My email provider has a pretty good virus detector. It detects viruses and deletes infected messages without sending them to me. Pretty good system. It also awaits the next step. -- Gleason____ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
>> Deliberately not signed. ;-) > This arrangement is, of course, exactly what spammers want. Maxim's intent > for this group > was, I suspect, to make it easier to reply without having to check whether > you are sending to the > group and not to the message originator. Sometimes I prefer to reply in private instead of sending to the list. -- Kind regards, Gunivortus The Bat! Professional 64 bit, version 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) Windows Pro 64 bit version 10, build nr. 17134 NordVPN vs. 6.11.12.0 ____ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
Deliberately, >>> I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, but >>> not >>> your name. > There is no X-Return Path on the mail I reply to herewith. > That only works for the sender to get info to send the message to, > and not for the receiver. > Deliberately not signed. ;-) This arrangement is, of course, exactly what spammers want. Maxim's intent for this group was, I suspect, to make it easier to reply without having to check whether you are sending to the group and not to the message originator. The change was effected by a change in the group server configuration. It would be possible to set that back without changing the way The Bat works. I suspect that for normal email interactions the TB group server change would not make any difference, and not benefit spammers. > ________ > Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason________ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
>> I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, but >> not >> your name. There is no X-Return Path on the mail I reply to herewith. That only works for the sender to get info to send the message to, and not for the receiver. Deliberately not signed. ;-) Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
Guten Tag, The Bat Beta, am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 13:32 schrieben Sie: > Hello The, > Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 4:48:43 AM, you wrote: >> I can't find any option to do that in Mailman beyond the option you >> just asked me to turn off. >> "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address >> (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)" >> ... unless anyone has any ideas? > I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, but not > your name. There is no X-Return Path on the mail I reply to herewith. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de________ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
Hello The, Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 4:48:43 AM, you wrote: > I can't find any option to do that in Mailman beyond the option you > just asked me to turn off. > "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address > (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)" > ... unless anyone has any ideas? I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, but not your name. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm ____ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
On 24 July 2018 at 09:11 tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com wrote and made these points >> Of course, with the change in list message addressing, it is now vital >> to state who you are in the body of the message or with a signature >> footer. TBL> Can the list preserve the name of the sender? I can't find any option to do that in Mailman beyond the option you just asked me to turn off. "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)" ... unless anyone has any ideas? -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpaiHOI7V1uO.pgp Description: PGP signature ________ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
Hello Marck, Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 10:43:36 AM, you wrote: > Of course, with the change in list message addressing, it is now vital > to state who you are in the body of the message or with a signature > footer. Can the list preserve the name of the sender? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
Dear Max, On 24 July 2018 at 06:57 tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com wrote and made these points TBL> *** This is the second announcement of The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA). TBL> I have made the first one on 23 Jul 2018 15:47:31 +0300, but it TBL> might have triggered DMARC/DRIM-failure. TBL> The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) is available at TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-32.rar TBL> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-64.rar TBL> What's new in 8.5.8.2 since 8.5.8: TBL> [-] First Implementation of Scale HTML (There is a new mode in TBL> the message editor: "Scaled HTML". Of course, with the change in list message addressing, it is now vital to state who you are in the body of the message or with a signature footer. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpuff8AfTpwb.pgp Description: PGP signature ____ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
8.5.8.2 (third announcement)
*** This is a third announcement of The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) -- testing the new list configuration. The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) is available at https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-32.rar https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-64.rar What's new in 8.5.8.2 since 8.5.8: [-] First Implementation of Scale HTML (There is a new mode in the message editor: "Scaled HTML". Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
8.5.8.2 (second announcement)
*** This is the second announcement of The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA). I have made the first one on 23 Jul 2018 15:47:31 +0300, but it might have triggered DMARC/DRIM-failure. The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) is available at https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-32.rar https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-64.rar What's new in 8.5.8.2 since 8.5.8: [-] First Implementation of Scale HTML (There is a new mode in the message editor: "Scaled HTML". Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
Hello Maxim, Monday, July 23, 2018, 8:47:31 AM, you wrote: MM> The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) is available at MM> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-64.rar U -- Best regards, Richardmailto:the...@newmangroup.com -- Using The Bat! v8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) on Windows v10 17134 Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
Title: Re: 8.5.8.2 In addition I meant my question for zooming for the current message on screen only. The existing options are for all messages while reading; the text of messages e.g. written in plain text are then much too big. Hello Maxim, Because so small text is not readable for me, I need the 'zoom in' option. I've to call that option 4 times and only then the text is big enough for me. That is quite inconveniant; is it possible to make that zoom option the way, that either can be chosen to zoom in 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, or similar in percent, or a key-combination to press quickly as times as needed. -- Kind regards, Guus The Bat! Professional 64 bit, version 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) Windows Pro 64 bit version 10, build nr. 17134 NordVPN vs. 6.11.12.0 Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
Title: Re: 8.5.8.2 Hello Maxim, Because so small text is not readable for me, I need the 'zoom in' option. I've to call that option 4 times and only then the text is big enough for me. That is quite inconveniant; is it possible to make that zoom option the way, that either can be chosen to zoom in 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, or similar in percent, or a key-combination to press quickly as times as needed. -- Kind regards, Guus The Bat! Professional 64 bit, version 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) Windows Pro 64 bit version 10, build nr. 17134 NordVPN vs. 6.11.12.0 The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) is available at https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-32.rar https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-64.rar What's new in 8.5.8.2 since 8.5.8: [-] First Implementation of Scale HTML (There is a new mode in the message editor: "Scaled HTML". Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
Title: Re: 8.5.8.2 U 64 bit. Writing this message with Scaled HTML, trying to see how it ends up in the list ... Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
Hello Maxim, On Mon, 23 Jul 2018, at 15:47:31 [GMT +0300] (which was 14:47 where I live) Maxim wrote: > The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-32.rar > > What's new in 8.5.8.2 since 8.5.8: > [-] First Implementation of Scale HTML (There is a new mode in the message > editor: "Scaled HTML". U with 32bit. @Maxim Would be nice to now what "Scaled HTML" mean. Form me it appears more as a zoom slider for the editor window content. -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 17134 ) pgp66qEkCZ0aU.pgp Description: PGP signature ____ Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
Maxim, The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) is available at https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-32.rar https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-64.rar What's new in 8.5.8.2 since 8.5.8: [-] First Implementation of Scale HTML (There is a new mode in the message editor: "Scaled HTML". I tried Scaled HTML. I'm not sure what was improved, but it inserts a lot of blank lines before the quoted message starts, and doesn't include a large part of the end of a long message being replied to. -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
8.5.8.2
Title: 8.5.8.2 The Bat! 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) is available at https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-32.rar https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8582-64.rar What's new in 8.5.8.2 since 8.5.8: [-] First Implementation of Scale HTML (There is a new mode in the message editor: "Scaled HTML". Current beta is 8.5.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
