Hello Thomas.
--On 17 June 2005 00:27 +0700 you wrote about Re: Distributed AS IS:
and it should be not too difficult to implement, as the
remove dupes functionality is already there.
But the Remove deleted messages isn't.
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Tony.
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Hello Tony,
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:08:42 +0100 GMT (20/06/2005, 15:08 +0700 GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:
TB But the Remove deleted messages isn't.
It is over here, called PurgeCompress. But then, I'm talking POP and
believe you are talking IMAP.
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Cheers,
Thomas.
Wir suchen Nachtschwestern
Hello Thomas.
--On 21 June 2005 00:01 +0700 you wrote about Re: Distributed AS IS:
It is over here, called PurgeCompress. But then, I'm talking POP and
believe you are talking IMAP.
Correct. POP is local so even if you don't delete them at least they're
still on your PC. With IMAP they get
Hello Tony,
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:18:59 +0100 GMT (21/06/2005, 00:18 +0700 GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:
TB Correct. POP is local so even if you don't delete them at least they're
TB still on your PC. With IMAP they get marked for deletion and only get
TB deleted when you change folders,
I believe
Howdy Mary,
Thursday, June 16, 2005, 10:59:04 PM, Mary wrotened:
People People we need a Vision Statement before we can even begin
thinking about a Mission Statement... Hmm Something like:
Incentivise the Resources to grow our Bandwidth to achieve our End
State Vision.
Then we can
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:28:17 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
others (Total Commander comes to mind) seem to have the label
bug alert printed all over them?
Hu? TC never ever failed here. Depends on what you're doing
with the programs, I assume. I think I'm only using the basic
functionality
Hello Gleason,
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:04:51 -0700 GMT (16/06/2005, 05:04 +0700 GMT),
Gleason Pace wrote:
GP This multiple server thing, for instance, is available in the way
GP they envision it in no other Windows newsgroup client. There are a
GP couple will allow more than one server, but they
GP This multiple server thing, for instance, is available in the way
GP they envision it in no other Windows newsgroup client. There are a
GP couple will allow more than one server, but they will not combine
GP the messages from them into one list.
MyGate with TB does this. I had subscribed
Hello Gleason,
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:15:58 -0700 GMT (17/06/2005, 00:15 +0700 GMT),
Gleason Pace wrote:
MyGate with TB does this. I had subscribed to the same NG on two
different servers for a while and wondered why I had all these
duplicate messages in the folders.
GP Forte thinks they can
Thomas,
MyGate with TB does this. I had subscribed to the same NG on two
different servers for a while and wondered why I had all these
duplicate messages in the folders.
GP Forte thinks they can do it without the duplicates.
Fair enough. An automatic remove duplicates in the background.
Hi Gleason Pace,
Wednesday, June 15, 2005
you let us know -at least in parts- :
To me, that sounds like a description of the time we live in... *sigh*
Yes, there is a sadness to it. It echoes from China to Oregon to Germany
to Moldova.
I t will take forever and a day I guess until the
Hello Charlene,
I really would like a mission statement once a month or a quarter...
Have you been drinking too much again my dear? ;-)
Do you know of any s/w company that does that?
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Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service
Hi MAU,
Thursday, June 16, 2005
you let us know -at least in parts- :
Hello Charlene,
I really would like a mission statement once a month or a quarter...
Have you been drinking too much again my dear? ;-)
What? AGAIN? Have you ever seen me in that condition?
I seem to be old fashioned, but
Hello Charlene!
On Thursday, June 16, 2005, 4:10 PM, you wrote, in part, with
:batwine: s:
... Those who don't dare to
dream will not have enough courage to fight! ...
9--count 'em--9 batwines below the cut-line! Absolutely, I literally
bent over double laughing out loud!
So, if TBBETA can
Hi Mary Bull,
Thursday, June 16, 2005
you let us know -at least in parts- :
So, if TBBETA can send a monthly mission statement, indeed, why *not*
the RitLabs Management?
It is the smaller companies who try harder to satisfy the customers (at
least they should), not the major ones. I am
Hello Charlene!
On Thursday, June 16, 2005, 4:37 PM, you wrote:
So, if TBBETA can send a monthly mission statement, indeed, why *not*
the RitLabs Management?
It is the smaller companies who try harder to satisfy the customers (at
least they should), not the major ones. I am employed in car
Hello Charlene,
I really would like a mission statement once a month or a quarter...
Have you been drinking too much again my dear? ;-)
What? AGAIN? Have you ever seen me in that condition?
No, because your husband turns off your webcam ;-)
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Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial -
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
X to. Look at all the apps XP SP2 broke when issued. I have had
X trouble installing OS/2 on identical systems from Compaq - one went
X fine, the other never took.
That's no excuse. Just because others fail doesn't mean we shouldn't
expect
Goncalo,
But it's not the case here, is it? TB! problems are not located
elsewhere, mainly TB! problems are, IMHO, due to radical changes and
extreme anxiety to release a final version when major problems are
still present.
Don't know how much we can safely hypothesize about
Hello MAU.
--On 15 June 2005 01:33 +0200 you wrote about Wrong threading (Was: Re:
Distributed AS IS):
Can you or anybody explain what happened here?
Don't look at me, it's nothing to do with me this time. I have to admit to
sporting a wry, almost smug smile though when I see you quote
Hallo MAU,
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:33:20 +0200GMT (15-6-2005, 1:33 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goncalo Farias tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
M Your In-Reply-To: and
Hello MAU,
Wednesday, June 15, 2005, 12:33:20 AM, you wrote:
Hello Xav,
Your message was not threaded properly and trying to understand why I
looked at your headers and found:
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.5.0.17) Professional
Just curious, why are you still using v3.5.0.17?
Upgraded on my
Hello Xav.
--On 15 June 2005 10:01 +0100 you wrote about Re: Wrong threading (Was: Re:
Distributed AS IS):
Hmmm, probably my perverse set-up :-))
If it's any consolation Xav, your messages thread perfectly here, no
problem at all.
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Tony.
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Hello Tony,
Can you or anybody explain what happened here?
Don't look at me, it's nothing to do with me this time.
I know, don't worry. In any case, I am not complaining about bad or no
threading. When I spotted it, my first thought was that TB itself could
be the culprit and that lead me to
Hello Xav,
Can you or anybody explain what happened here?
Hmmm, probably my perverse set-up :-)) I use email forwarding from a
domain registration service, which comes in to an email server on a
dedicated PC, which sorts the mail into particular accounts.
Yes, that could explain it.
Hello Roelof,
Check Xav's other messages to this list, they all suffer from the same
symptom. All his replies include an In-Reply-To: header that refers to
a message-id like this:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and the last
part is his own domain.
snipped
I hope this suffices.
Of course I could be
Hello Tony,
Hmmm, probably my perverse set-up :-))
If it's any consolation Xav, your messages thread perfectly here, no
problem at all.
Is this so? I wonder what Mulberry is doing for threading.
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000
Hi MAU,
On 15/6/2005 12:19 PM +0200, you wrote:
Is this so? I wonder what Mulberry is doing for threading.
For Tony, it would be the FastMail servers doing the threading and
Mulberry simply displaying it.
On looking here, it seems that the threading is done by references and
subject.
--
Hello Allie,
Is this so? I wonder what Mulberry is doing for threading.
For Tony, it would be the FastMail servers doing the threading and
Mulberry simply displaying it.
I see, I didn't think threading was done at the server.
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using
Hello Allie.
--On 15 June 2005 05:33 -0500 you wrote about Re: Wrong threading (Was: Re:
Distributed AS IS):
For Tony, it would be the FastMail servers doing the threading and
Mulberry simply displaying it.
Surely not, how does that work server side then?
I do use server side filtering
Hello MAU.
--On 15 June 2005 12:18 +0200 you wrote about Re: Wrong threading (Was: Re:
Distributed AS IS):
If I wanted to clarify what was the cause was to discard
any possible problem in TB.
Personally I think it is a problem with TB. Any threading trouble I had, or
should I say you had
Hi Tony,
On 15/6/2005 12:06 PM +0100, you wrote:
I almost wrote this off-list, but then I thought I'd mention it here
anyway since this is where I'd love to see TB! IMAP go eventually.
I do use server side filtering to filter into the respective folders
but sure threading and the way
--On 15/06/2005 12:58 +0200 MAU wrote:
I see, I didn't think threading was done at the server.
It is on some servers. Here's what FastMail is announcing for my account.
IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 ACL QUOTA NAMESPACE UIDPLUS ID NO_ATOMIC_RENAME UNSELECT
CHILDREN MULTIAPPEND SORT THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT
--On 15/06/2005 12:06 +0100 Tony wrote:
Surely not, how does that work server side then?
See this message, Tony.
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Clive Taylor
Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
Hello Allie.
--On 15 June 2005 06:15 -0500 you wrote about Re: Wrong threading (Was: Re:
Distributed AS IS):
With FastMail, I never see the prompt and the threaded view is
displayed as quickly as the unthreaded view.
Same here, exceptionally fast.
Let's see if I got this correct. I tell
Hello Clive.
--On 15 June 2005 13:25 +0100 you wrote about Re: Wrong threading (Was: Re:
Distributed AS IS):
See this message, Tony.
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
How?
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Tony.
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Hi Tony,
On 15/6/2005 1:53 PM +0100, you wrote:
Same here, exceptionally fast.
Let's see if I got this correct. I tell Berry to thread, it tells the
Fastmail server I want to thread and turns threading on server side
I'm not sure about the actual inner workings of how it's done but it
Hello Tony,
If I wanted to clarify what was the cause was to discard
any possible problem in TB.
Personally I think it is a problem with TB. Any threading trouble I had, or
should I say you had, was only evident to people using TB. Mulberry,
Thunderbird and Kmail didn't suffer such trauma
--On 15/06/2005 13:53 +0100 Tony wrote:
How?
Ah, sorry, thought I was using another mailer :0.
Here's the message:
IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 ACL QUOTA NAMESPACE UIDPLUS ID NO_ATOMIC_RENAME UNSELECT
CHILDREN MULTIAPPEND SORT THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES IDLE
Right click your inbox in
Hello Clive.
--On 15 June 2005 16:15 +0100 you wrote about Re: Wrong threading (Was: Re:
Distributed AS IS):
Right click your inbox in M*l*r*y and you'll see a tabbed dialogue box.
I get...
IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 ACL QUOTA NAMESPACE UIDPLUS ID NO_ATOMIC_RENAME UNSELECT
CHILDREN MULTIAPPEND SORT
Hi Gleason,
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
But it's not the case here, is it? TB! problems are not located
elsewhere, mainly TB! problems are, IMHO, due to radical changes
and extreme anxiety to release a final version when major problems
are still present.
GP Don't know how
Goncalo,
I disagree with you on this. I was a Ak-mail user and never had
problems with it. I just switch from it to TB! because development was
kind of dead and the English version isn't updated anymore.
People here using Mulberry seem to be very happy. You may get their
Hello Gleason.
--On 15 June 2005 12:46 -0700 you wrote about Re: Re[7]: Distributed AS
IS:
Mulberry becomes nearly unusable. This is especially true with the IMAP
inbox. This behavior does not appear on my laptop, however.
It doesn't happen here either, it's perhaps one of *the* most
Hi Goncalo,
On 15/6/2005 7:50 PM +0100, you wrote:
Well, putting out 3.5 surely didn't do any good to Ritlabs quality
image. In fact, seeing people in this list using Mulberry email client
isn't a good sign. I'm sure you'll agree on this.
There are two reasons why one would not use TB!
Hi Allie,
-- 15.06.2005 15:02 -0500:
What needs to improve as well, is reliability of the current
functionality across different setups and servers. It would seem that
there are quite a few who would be happy with TB!'s current IMAP
implementation if it would just work reliably.
Many
Hi Tony,
-- 15.06.2005 20:55 +0100:
Mulberry becomes nearly unusable. This is especially true with the IMAP
inbox. This behavior does not appear on my laptop, however.
It doesn't happen here either, it's perhaps one of *the* most stable
programs I have on here.
Have to confirm Tony's
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:44:09 -0700, Gleason Pace wrote:
Getting excellency all around becomes a matter of odds. The
more components you have working together the more likely it
is that one of them will fail.
True, but why is it that some programs (Forte Agent comes to
mind) _never_ crash or
Hello Arjan de Groot everyone else,
on 15-Jun-2005 at 23:21 you (Arjan de Groot) wrote:
others (Total Commander comes to mind) seem to have the label bug alert
printed all over them?
Hu? TC never ever failed here. Depends on what you're doing with the
programs, I assume. I think I'm only
Hello Gleason Pace everyone else,
on 15-Jun-2005 at 21:46 you (Gleason Pace) wrote:
In any case, it looks like most email client producers see their best
strategy as getting as many features in as fast as possible, and when a
client is good enough to convince a new user to pay for it after
Alexander,
In any case, it looks like most email client producers see their best
strategy as getting as many features in as fast as possible, and when a
client is good enough to convince a new user to pay for it after using
it
for a few weeks, get it out there and sell it.
To me, that
Hi Manuel,
On 15/6/2005 10:32 PM +0200, you wrote:
Many would be very happy, you're right Allie!
When everything is working reliable concerning IMAP, TB! would be on
the step as Thunderbird and many other Clients are (concerning IMAP).
You're right. TB! would be far better than
True, but why is it that some programs (Forte Agent comes to
mind) _never_ crash or show otherwise buggy behaviour, and others
(Total Commander comes to mind) seem to have the label bug alert
printed all over them?
Agent is an example I have referred to in the past. Forte is the one
player
Hello all,
,- [ From The Bat! EULA ]
|
| The program is distributed AS IS and you assume full responsibility
| for determining the suitability of the program and for results obtained.
|
| RITLABS makes no warranty that all errors have been or can be eliminated
| from the program software
On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 7:47:42 PM, a fearless knight known as
MAU entered the dragon's lair and exclaimed:
| RITLABS DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR
| IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A
| PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
It seems that some times, or
MaXxX,
kinds of misuse. I mean, if I were to buy a vacuum cleaner, that would
have inside this box is a vacuum cleaner, but perhaps broken, or
rusted beyond repair, you can find out once you pay printed on the
box, I'd rather stay away, eh? Makes me wonder, that's all.
This disclaimer has
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 1:38:22 PM, (Internet Time - @818) you wrote:
Hello MaXxX,
M True - but, however it's a typical clause, I'd dare to question it, as
M it explicitly declares that the program to which this EULA pertains
M might prove useless (fitness for a particular purpose) and it's the
Hello MAU.
--On 14 June 2005 19:47 +0200 you wrote about Distributed AS IS:
It seems that some times, or some of us, forget about EULAs. Most
software include similar terms.
Most software does actually do what it claims to do, even to the point of
actually installing!
--
Tony.
M
Hello MaXxX,
.^,-. sin(pi)
-\---/---X---/-
`-'|`-'
Nahhh! You're not MaXxX ;-)
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4
Current beta is 3.5.26 |
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
M Hello all,
M ,- [ From The Bat! EULA ]
M |
M | The program is distributed AS IS and you assume full responsibility
M | for determining the suitability of the program and for results obtained.
M |
M | RITLABS makes no warranty that all errors have been
Hello Goncalo,
Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:59:28 PM, you wrote:
The EULA are meant to protect the software companies from being sued.
If a software company must use the EULA to justify buggy software it
better get a new core business... like selling apples on the local
market.
Well you
On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, at 10:24:44 PM, MAU picked up a feather,
dipped its tip in ink, and began scribbling:
Nahhh! You're not MaXxX ;-)
Shhh. Wrong sig. :P
--
.^,-. sin(pi)ICQ=3.146019
-\---/---X---/- IQ=sin(3.14)
`-'|`-'
Random church bulletin blooper: This being
Hello SinPi!
On Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 6:07 PM, you wrote:
Nahhh! You're not MaXxX ;-)
Shhh. Wrong sig. :P
I know you're MaXxX! I recognize the tag line! hehehe
--
Best regards,
Mary
The Bat 3.5.26 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2
Hello Xav,
Your message was not threaded properly and trying to understand why I
looked at your headers and found:
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.5.0.17) Professional
Just curious, why are you still using v3.5.0.17?
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goncalo Farias tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
X Hello Goncalo,
X Tuesday, June 14, 2005, 9:59:28 PM, you wrote:
The EULA are meant to protect the software companies from being
sued. If a software company must use the EULA to justify buggy
software it better get a new core business... like
X to. Look at all the apps XP SP2 broke when issued. I have had
X trouble installing OS/2 on identical systems from Compaq - one went
X fine, the other never took.
That's no excuse. Just because others fail doesn't mean we shouldn't
expect excellency from Ritlabs or, on the other
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