Re[2]: Moving Account QTs to COmmon QTs
Hello MFPA, Saturday, January 10, 2009, 6:41:37 AM, you wrote: >> Do a search on QTB and see if finds them... > Search (including hidden and system) only finds 3 QTB files: the one > in my Mail ditectory for the common QTs and the ones I'm trying to > delete in the account directories for the two accounts that had QTs. > They must be backed up in some file other than QTB. Maybe QTN? Normally what will help, assuming the programmers don't put stuff like that in the registry, do a search for *.* in the bat program file directory. Or essentially whatever program has files 'missing' Do note that some programs have 2 places where they put files, in Documents in settings there is another directory being used... -- Best regards, tracermailto:0tra...@gmail.com Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hello MFPA, >> I don't actually read everything I get from mailing lists or >> newsgroups. I even 'Ignore' complete threads or branches so that any >> future messages will not bother me. > > How do you achieve that and what does it do? I use two different ways, one with and 'Ignore' filter and the other one with an 'Ignore' Watch Folder. But neither of them is perfect. I'll give you more details tomorrow, it's past 2 AM and I'd like to get some sleep now. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.9 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hello MFPA, >> I have never seen such a behaviour. > > Well it has always been the behaviour I have experienced in TB! until > very recently. After reading your I think you should redefine what you mean by 'always' and 'recently'. ;-) >> I think you are complicating things here with colour groups. > > Each to their own. Your are right. You should use what you like or suits you best. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.9 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving Account QTs to COmmon QTs
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 11:51:50 PM, in , Marek Mikus wrote: > account.qtn is old format used for storing QTs, qtb is > a new one. That was it! I deleted the QTN files as well as the QTB files and they stay gone. So it was the QTN files that kept making the QTN files reappear. -- Best regards, MFPA The One with The Answer is seldom asked The Question Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving Account QTs to COmmon QTs
Hello all, Saturday, January 10, 2009, MFPA wrote: >> Do a search on QTB and see if finds them... > Search (including hidden and system) only finds 3 QTB files: the one > in my Mail ditectory for the common QTs and the ones I'm trying to > delete in the account directories for the two accounts that had QTs. > They must be backed up in some file other than QTB. Maybe QTN? account.qtn is old format used for storing QTs, qtb is a new one. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.5 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving Account QTs to COmmon QTs
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 1:50:21 AM, in , tracer wrote: > Hello MFPA, > Friday, January 9, 2009, 7:29:38 AM, you wrote: >> Hi >> On Thursday 8 January 2009 at 10:52:04 PM, in >> , Ian A. >> White wrote: >>> I just checked my account folders and they QTB files >>> I deleted have not been re-created. The QT editor >>> also shows all accounts as having no QTs. >> Hmm. I just tried again and if I delete (or rename) >> the account.qtb files in the accounts, the files are >> still re-created and the QTs reappear in those >> accounts. Keeping an empty text file called >> account.qtb in the account folders does the trick but >> I am damned if I can find where the QTs are backed up. >> This is as irritating as windows file protection. > Do a search on QTB and see if finds them... Search (including hidden and system) only finds 3 QTB files: the one in my Mail ditectory for the common QTs and the ones I'm trying to delete in the account directories for the two accounts that had QTs. They must be backed up in some file other than QTB. Maybe QTN? -- Best regards, MFPA Teamwork is essential - it allows you to blame someone else Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders and subfolders
Hello all, Friday, January 9, 2009, Jason Gottschalk wrote: > Which Account.* file keeps track of the folders and subfolder? I'd > like to try deleting it and seeing if it will rebuild and find all of my > folders. files ACCOUNT.FLB and ACCOUNT.~FLB -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.1.0.5 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders and subfolders
Hallo Jason, On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:12:26 -0500GMT (9-1-2009, 23:12 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JG> Which Account.* file keeps track of the folders and subfolder? JG> I'd like to try deleting it and seeing if it will rebuild and find all of my folders. account.flb Be careful with your experiments... -- Groetjes, Roelof No one can think clearly with clenched fists. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.1.9 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpdSrWwHKBgZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folders and subfolders
Hello Tbudl, Which Account.* file keeps track of the folders and subfolder? I'd like to try deleting it and seeing if it will rebuild and find all of my folders. -- Best Regards Jason Gottschalk ja...@syo.com SYO Computer Services and SYO Biometrics ph:586-286-2557 fx:586-286-1198 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 12:48:00 AM, in , MFPA wrote: > I think this changed when I upgraded from v4.0.32.4 to > v4.0.38 but it may have been a slightly earlier > upgrade. It was indeed a "slightly" earlier upgrade (-; I have just tested with some old versions and found the behaviour I describe occurs in versions 2.12.00 and 3.0.1.33 but not in 3.80.03, 3.80.06 and 4.0.32.4. If it took over two years to notice, maybe I shouldn't worry about it. But I still say the old way was better. -- Best regards, MFPA Was time invented by an Irishman named O'Clock? Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 1:39:58 AM, in , Rick wrote: > Are we perhaps talking about in a collapsed tree > branch? If so then I never noticed. It would have to > highlight to let you know there was an unread message > in the branch (?) No we are not, although a collapsed branch is still displayed that way. -- Best regards, MFPA Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 8:44:05 AM, in , Jens Franik wrote: > Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 at 01:48, MFPA wrote: >> If not read but just marked as read they are red not >> bold. > How do you manage to do that? I thought "read" as > opened is the same as "read" by CTRL-M. I usually read in the preview pane. Any message displayed for 2 seconds triggers a filter that assigns it to my "messages I have read" colour group, where a read message is white and not bold. CTRL-M (or context menu/ "mark as read") does not change the colour group. -- Best regards, MFPA You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 11:58:33 AM, in , Jens Franik wrote: > maybe a colorgroup stands for "read that later", or something we > will never guess without explanation, so let us drink some coffe > first... > :batcoffee: Aw! I missed the coffee. It has grown to mean something like "didn't read, was not interested or was too busy at time. might read later. Not dismissed as junk. Believe it merits more than simply deleting or archiving but probably not urgent." Adjust that as appropriate if looking at mailing list messages. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't ask me, I'm making this up as I go! Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 11:49:56 AM, in , MAU wrote: > I don't actually read everything I get from mailing lists or > newsgroups. I even 'Ignore' complete threads or branches so that any > future messages will not bother me. How do you achieve that and what does it do? > I may be wrong but I think MFPA is trying to make a > distinction between messages that he has actually read > and those only 'marked as read' and that he may want to > actually read later, or not. Precisely. Colour groups work well for me in doing this. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't anthropomorphize computers - they hate it Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 11:29:35 AM, in , Jens Franik wrote: > Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 at 11:45, MAU wrote: >> Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you >> have NOT read? > I do this too, because i look over the subjects > and if it is a Flame-War i do not read the > Messages, i will mark the Folder and CTRL-M it all read > without reading it. Same as I achieve by selecting a chunk of messages in the folder and using the context menu to "mark as read". Or I could be marking an individual message that I "may come back to later". -- Best regards, MFPA Roses smell better than onions but don't make such good soup Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 10:45:44 AM, in , MAU wrote: > I have never seen such a behaviour. Well it has always been the behaviour I have experienced in TB! until very recently. > The default behaviour, which has always (or AFAIR) been like that, > is that an 'unread' (not marked as 'read') message shows the Unread > Flag and the text for whatever columns are displayed in the message > list is bolded. That is my experience too, although I have added colour groups to make it leap out at me without having to concentrate on looking at the flags. It also allows me to distinguish between a message I have never read and one I have marked as unread because I need to attend to it some other time non-urgently, for example. (see also description below) > Now, about threads. A collapsed thread (or thread > branch) containing 'Unread' (not marked as 'read') > messages is shown bolded but with no Unread Flag. I experience the bold text here, too. I cannot comment on the flags as I didn't get on with them as a visual aid, so I use colour groups. The read message at the top of the collapsed thread is white, as per my "messages I have read" colour group but is bold. > When a bolded thread or thread branch is expanded, only 'unread' > (not marked as 'read') messages will be bolded and will show the > Unread Flag. That differs from the behaviour I have always had until recently. Here, all the way from the top of the thread has been shown bold until recently. But only the new messages are in my "unread" colour group and therefore red. These red ones are still bold but the old messages no longer turn bold in this situation. > I think you are complicating things here with colour > groups. Each to their own. I find it enhances my user experience of TB!, unfortunately this recent change detracts from that user experience. > How do you assign them? With filters? Manually? The colour scheme for my "" is the same as my "unread messages" colour group, so all messages automatically look that way to begin with. (Before anybody asks, the only real use for my colour group called "unread messages" is that on the odd occasion when I want to manually re-assign a message to that colour scheme I cannot usually remember that I need to choose "") Once I read a message (display it for a few seconds) a "Read messages" filter sets the colour group to "messages I have read". If I didn't want that, I manually change the colour group back. >> If not read but just marked as read they are red not >> bold. > This is a key issue I think. Why and how do you 'mark > as read' a message that you have NOT read? If I have no current interest in a discussion, I may select the whole (or part of the) thread andchoose "mark as read" from the context menu. This dismisses the bold text but does not change the colour group, so I know instantly when looking at the message list that I did not actually read those messages and may wish to another time. My colour scheme has been:- 1. White, not bold = has been read, nothing new below 2. White and bold = has been read, new message in thread 3. Red, not bold = not read, not interested at moment, nothing new below 4. Red and Bold = new message (or was a 3. and now has a new message in thread, which may cause me to re-evaluate my interest) This recent change has wrecked 2. and the bracketed part of 4. -- Best regards, MFPA Always borrow money from a pessimist - they don't expect it back Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Server certificate expired
Hello Jernej, Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 7:32:28 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote: > If you're the server admin, you have to replace the certificate on the > server. Otherwise, you need to notify the server administrator to do > it. Thanks for the reply. That's what I did eventually. The admin was busy fighting a virus and forgot. There's no antivir against old common flu... ;) Regards, -- Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 at 12:49, MAU wrote: >>> If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. >> >> This is a key issue I think. Why and how do you 'mark as read' a >> message that you have NOT read? > I may be wrong but I think MFPA is trying to make a distinction between > messages that he has actually read and those only 'marked as read' and > that he may want to actually read later, or not. Thats what i did not understand too, maybe a colorgroup stands for "read that later", or something we will never guess without explanation, so let us drink some coffe first... :batcoffee: -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.9 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hello Jens, >> Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you have NOT read? > > I do this too, because i look over the subjects and if it is a > Flame-War i do not read the Messages, i will mark the Folder and > CTRL-M it all read without reading it. Of course, we all do that I think. I don't actually read everything I get from mailing lists or newsgroups. I even 'Ignore' complete threads or branches so that any future messages will not bother me. But, if you read things in context: >> If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. > > This is a key issue I think. Why and how do you 'mark as read' a > message that you have NOT read? I may be wrong but I think MFPA is trying to make a distinction between messages that he has actually read and those only 'marked as read' and that he may want to actually read later, or not. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.9 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Leaving messages in inbox
JSL>> A long time ago there was a thread on the dangers of leaving messages
JSL>> in the inbox. Unfortunately I no longer remember exactly what the
JSL>> danger was. I searched the archives for the subject line above but
JSL>> found nothing explaining the problem. Does anybody remember?
RO> Basically it comes to this.
RO> The Inbox is a high traffic folder: every message that enters your
RO> message base first arrives in the Inbox, moving and deleting
RO> (automatically and manually) means another mutation of your Inbox.
RO> Due to these multiple mutations it's easy for things to go awry.
RO> There's your first reason not to use the Inbox for permanent storage.
RO> When your Inbox is large it's more difficult to mutate it then when
RO> it's small, so using the Inbox for permanent storage makes it more
RO> likely for things to go awry.
RO> Of course executing compress and purge daily minimises the chance that
RO> things go bad.
RO> I've never had a corrupt Inbox, so I've never been bitten, but in the
RO> past the issue came up regularly. But why use a mail client with an
RO> extensive filtering engine like TB when you store everything in the
RO> Inbox.
I totally agree with every word Roelof wrote. My addition: the only way I
saw corrupted Inboxes (I am a TB distributor) that people used the
Compress at exit. When I send the registration keys to users, this is
the information (in brief) I send them in the text of the mail before
the actual reg. code:
- switch off the Compress at exit forj all Inboxes, this is how you can
do it
- make manual compress of Inboxes at every two weeks, a month, based
on your email load
(I compress my folders every Sunday)
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Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 at 11:45, MAU wrote: > Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you have NOT read? I do this too, because i look over the subjects and if it is a Flame-War i do not read the Messages, i will mark the Folder and CTRL-M it all read without reading it. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.9 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Hello MFPA,
> It only changed the messages directly above the new one all the way up
> the thread. If the thread branched, those not above the new message
> didn't change.
I have never seen such a behaviour. The default behaviour, which has
always (or AFAIR) been like that, is that an 'unread' (not marked as
'read') message shows the Unread Flag and the text for whatever columns
are displayed in the message list is bolded.
Now, about threads. A collapsed thread (or thread branch) containing
'Unread' (not marked as 'read') messages is shown bolded but with no
Unread Flag. When a bolded thread or thread branch is expanded, only
'unread' (not marked as 'read') messages will be bolded and will show
the Unread Flag.
> My default view is that unread messages are listed bold red on a black
> background (my "unread messages" colour group). When read they go
> white and not bold ("messages I have read" colour group).
I think you are complicating things here with colour groups. How do you
assign them? With filters? Manually?
> If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold.
This is a key issue I think. Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message
that you have NOT read?
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Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear "unread"
Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 at 01:48, MFPA wrote: > If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. How do you manage to do that? I thought "read" as opened is the same as "read" by CTRL-M. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.9 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
