Re: Virtual Folders
Hello Darrin Rich, 24-Jul-2004 16:28, you wrote: I havent tried them yet. Can someone send a link that helps explain how they work and some examples of what to use them for? I was using Operas M2 email client before, which uses views. I assume thats sort of what virtual folders are. Is that correct? Thanks Funny. Thats the question I wanted to ask when I subscribed to the list just today. :-) As far as I can tell the difference between M2's database views and TB's virtual folders is that M2 can auto-adapt the views according to messages added or removed to/from the view (learning with a Bayes filter, or something). However, I just started using virtual folders... [IMHO the way that M2 deals with sorting/classification is the key to mail handling in the future, and hopefully TheBat will pick the idea up. The mailer side of TheBat itself is simply way out of reach for M2, thats why I returned to TheBat] -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virtual Folders
Hello Darrin Rich, 24-Jul-2004 18:55, you wrote: ASK [IMHO the way that M2 deals with sorting/classification is the key to ASK mail handling in the future, and hopefully TheBat will pick the idea ASK up. The mailer side of TheBat itself is simply way out of reach for ASK M2, thats why I returned to TheBat] You share the exact same opinion on this as I do. The sorting side of M2 is the best I have ever experienced. I can handle tons of emails and be able to locate them with little effort. Thebat is far superior on the other details. I just couldn't stop thinking about a way of reaching something similar in TheBat (I began to hate all the subfolders in various accounts and adapting filter criteria again and again to catch all messages once I knew how it is handled in M2). So far, I've tried simulating that functionality by combining TheBat with PopFile (a Bayes filter that can handle multiple buckets and not only keep ham and spam apart, http://popfile.sourceforge.net). If you limit yourself to a reasonable number of buckets (so that the learning won't take forever) you can set up virtual folders that filter by the X-Text-Classification header that PopFile adds to the messages. However, wrong classifications by PopFile (which naturally do happen in the beginning) lead to the mails being shown in the wrong virtual folder. You can reclassify them in PopFile, but the mail is already imported into TB's messagebase by then. Problematic when you subscribe to a new mailinglist, sign up for another newsletters - in short: whenever the classification needs to be enhanced/adapted (false positives are guaranteed during the first couple of mails). Because of that, I currently filter to common folders and maybe switch to virtual folders, later (when PopFile has received more training). The combination of thebat and M2 combined would be my dream email client. Exactly. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander Tomorrow a stranger will say with masterly good sense precisely what we have thought and felt all the time, and we shall be forced to take with shame our own opinion from another. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virtual Folders
Hello Tim Sharrock, 24-Jul-2004 23:16, you wrote: I use a two stage process - I have Popfile classify mail, and then have a Bat! input-filter set a corresponding colour-group from the X-Text-Classification header. I then have my virtual folders set up based on the colour-groups. When a message is mis-classified, I can then double click on the X-Popfile-Link header (which I display in the header panel) to tell Popfile, and also right-click in the message-list-pane to change the colour-group, this is then picked up by the virtual folders. That is smart! I never knew what to do with color groups before. :-) Thanks for the tip! -- Best regards, Alexander All those who believe in psychokinesis... raise my hand. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using one message base for two TB! installs
Hello Robert C Wittig, 25-Jul-2004 01:45, you wrote: One further question... I have a LOT of mail in the 1.6 message base, and cannot simply discard it. Can it be imported into v2, along with the folder structure, address books, etc.? I made a backup (just in case...), and then simply installed v2 over v1.62r. Worked like a charm, and I didn't need my backup. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander I like people who refuse to speak until they are ready to speak. -- Lillian Hellman Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit better than K9?
Hello John Phillips, 25-Jul-2004 06:27, you wrote: I find SpamPal to be almost faultless. If you're on a slow dial-up connection, the constant checking of DNS blacklists may be a bit annoying - especially if you receive unknown mail often (auto-whitelisting doesn't work, then). In such cases a stand-alone Bayes type filter may be the better choice (of course, one can disable all DNS blacklists in SpamPal, and only use the Bayesian plugin, but in that case the BayesIt that integrates into TheBat allows smoother operation). Sidenote: IMO, RegEx isn't really an option the average user will be willing to understand and/or use. A couple of friends/relatives already do have problems to understand the concept of mail classification with a Bayes filter, and just check their classification lists once in a while because I told them they should really do so. ...OTOH, I believe none of the average Outlook Express users (the why, it has everything I need! type) will migrate to TheBat, ever... *g* -- Best regards, Alexander As soon as I get through with you, you'll have a clear case for divorce and so will my wife. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there a way to temporarily disable/turn-off the Connection Centre capability while The Bat! is open?
Hello subscriber2list, 25-Jul-2004 21:03, you wrote: Exactly. There are other approaches, i.e., set the time for periodic checking to some much larger number which defers any CC activity for that specific account, but one still has to make this change to each account ... that's just not a viable approach in my mind. Other suggestions, i.e., Robin Anson's suggestion of closing ports, could potentially do the trick, but a The Bat! user shouldn't have to resort to these types of actions. The program file thebat.exe itself has command line parameters. When TB is not running, it is started, and (whats more interesting for you) when TB is already running, the parameters are passed to the running instance of the program. Search the help of TB for command line to get information on /CHECK and /CHECKALL (the latter ends TB if no new mail was received) and all the other commandline parameters that TB understands. You can manually /check or /checkall for mail, which opens TB to control via batch programs... OR: the windows task scheduler... you get the idea? With a little batch programming you can add/remove a mailchecking event to/from the Windows task scheduler with the commandline tool schtasks.exe (I'm talking about 2000/XP here). You can find the documentation (commandline syntax etc.) to schtasks in the Windows help. Activate your desktop, press F1 and search for schtasks (or command-line reference A-Z for a complete cmd reference). If you disable automatic mail checking in the normal TB config entirely, you can create two batch files: one that adds an event thebat.exe /check [account] that is scheduled every 15 minutes (or whatever), and another batch files that removes this event. You can put these two .bat files on a hotkey (or easily accesible on your desktop, or whatever) and enable/disable mail-checking that way. HTH -- Best regards, Alexander I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. -- Voltaire Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there a way to temporarily disable/turn-off the Connection Centre capability while The Bat! is open?
Hello subscriber2list, 25-Jul-2004 22:48, you wrote: aaah, a whole new arena of fun! An old saying goes like computers help us solve problems that we wouldn't have without them ... ;-) You can do most everything with TB, but sometimes you just need a hint toward the direction to take (that includes me). -- Best regards, Alexander NP: 'Phosphoressence' by The Infinity Project (from the album 'Phosphorescent') Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there a way to temporarily disable/turn-off the Connection Centre capability while The Bat! is open?
Hello Thomas Fernandez, 26-Jul-2004 18:12, you wrote: You have described a work-around. But it should be possible from within TB to not check mail, across all accounts. There is no button or command-line command for that AFAIK. Agreed. But you can do it, and its not much trouble. I just meant to say most likely, there *is* a way. -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] Periodical Checking (of mail)
Hello St - Musaic.Net, 27-Jul-2004 15:31, you wrote: check mail every 30 seconds That is a very short interval. Some POP3 servers may not be able to cope with it. Have you tried setting it to something like 3 Minutes and see what happens? -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] Some tasks are now active
Hello St - Musaic.Net, 27-Jul-2004 15:21, you wrote: You want to exit and restart TB or reboot the PC. This is pretty easy to do while in front of the PC - but if TB is downloading mail unattended it is a totally different story! According to the help file the command line helps: The /EXIT command is used to force The Bat! to exit as soon as all mail transfer operations are complete I haven't tried it but from reading this description I would assume that it will not show a message window this way. -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] Connection Centre pop-up in Taskbar
Hello St - Musaic.Net, 27-Jul-2004 15:21, you wrote: Connection Centre should minimize to System Tray, not Windows Taskbar!. I have TB check for and download from three accounts at a 30 seconds interval and the (non-timely) pop-in appearance of the Connection Centre in the Windows Taskbar is pretty disturbing! For example, say that I have these tasks in the Windows Taskbar:... Options/Preferences/General - Display Connection centre - HIDE If it would pop up in the systemtray next time you'd need something from the system tray and file the same complaint again, would you... :- -- Best regards, Alexander Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Web Browsers
Hello nurbles, 27-Jul-2004 17:31, you wrote: I've been using FireFox for my primary web browser for quite a while and I've recently started noticing that The Bat! launches multiple copies of FireFox when I click an http:// or ftp:// link in an email. This should happen from all other mail clients as well. The problem is within the FireFox installation, not The Bat. Edit the Windows file types, locate extension (NONE) for HTTP and HTTPS, and remove the DDE event for the open action. -- Best regards, Alexander If you should say, 'It is enough, I have reached perfection,' all is lost. For it is the function of perfection to make one know one's imperfection. -- St. Augustine Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hello Robert Golovniov, 28-Jul-2004 11:13, you wrote: Can anybody share with me his success story of reading PGP/MIME signed and encrypted messages? What is your problem with it? My constant annoyance is that apparently there's no way to tell TB to ALWAYS use PGP/MIME (the switch defaults to auto but I want it on). -- Best regards, Alexander Finagle's Third Law: In any collection of data, the figure most obviously correct, beyond all need of checking, is the mistake. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Word wrap problems
Hello Mary Bull, 27-Jul-2004 23:59, you wrote: I then find Utilities/Format Block (I choose Left from this drop-down Menu) in the Edit Mail Message window extremely helpful. I position the cursor anywhere on the long line and click on Format Block/Left, and my copy-and-paste is hard-wrapped, ready for sending except for attribution. Thats one of my favorite functions, too! Btw. the non-mouse persons :-) will press ALT + L for that function. It works equally well on long pasted lines or quotes text that is out of bound. -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hello Kevin Amazon, 28-Jul-2004 16:27, you wrote: My constant annoyance is that apparently there's no way to tell TB to ALWAYS use PGP/MIME (the switch defaults to auto but I want it on). You could put %pgpmime in your templates. I always thought that this would automatically sign and/or crypt the message? -- Best regards, Alexander This shock which separates the end of one life from the beginning of the next...is too strong for ordinary man, who has no choice but to forget and fall asleep. -- Rodney Collin Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hello Kevin Amazon, 28-Jul-2004 17:43, you wrote: I always thought that this would automatically sign and/or crypt the message? %PGPMIME sets the PGP/MIME option to on for the current message to ensure that the PGJP/MIME format is used when the message is signed OR encrypted. Obviously, if you want to use PGP/MIME, you want to sign your messages. Yes? All I want is that *if* I use PGP, it shall be PGP/MIME, always. Not everyone whom I exchange mails with privately has and/or uses PGP. For those that are not using it, I don't want to be bothered by requesters that tell me no key can be found (thats why I was asking if %PGPMIME wouldn't invoke sign/encrypt automatically), and whatnot. -- Best regards, Alexander Outer space is like Dolly Parton: you don't believe it, but there it is. -- Lorne Greene Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hello Robert Golovniov, 28-Jul-2004 13:29, you wrote: gpg: can't open `C:\Program Files\The Bat!\batD3F2.tmp' gpg: decrypt_message failed: file open error If I switch to PGP 8.1, pressing the button does nothing at all. Hmmm. I'm using neither GPG nor PGP8.1 - I'm on PGP 8.0.3 and it just works as expected. -- Best regards, Alexander Fun is like insurance; the older you get, the more it costs. -- Kim Hubbard Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compressing folders
Hello Thomas Andersson, 30-Jul-2004 18:48, you wrote: I'm just curious of which method of compression is used in The Bat! when you check the compress folder in folder properties. Is it a huge spacesaver and does it have a negative impact when using the program? The term compression may be misleading. Think of a row of parking cars. When one is leaving, the row doesn't get shorter (unless its the first or last, I hear you... *g*). You could think of TB's message database (for each folder) of such a row. When a message is deleted, it leaves the row, but the messagebase doesn't get smaller. (in fact, a deleted message is only removed from view, and not from the database - you can restore them, too). Only when you compress a folder, the deleted messages are removed from the mail database - and the gaps they're leaving are closed. The database file is re-arranged so that the size after compression is only smaller because there are no more holes in it. PS: forgive me, I can't resist... is that really your true name? Mr. Andersson? :-) -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys
Hello Andre Wichartz, 31-Jul-2004 14:37, you wrote: It is my opinion that the default collection should only include the most basic of smilies and only for ascii smilies, not for words. I'm thinking about :)=happy, :(=sad etc ...I rest my case. I receive an email newsletter with a listing of new CD releases that has a list like this... A) B) C) etc. ...imagine my surprise when the B) was replaced by a smiley... :-} That happens with everything when people are overdoing it. Thus, I've turned the smilies off completely (I didn't like the unequal line distance when smilies are being used within text [like :-) this] very much, either. And, I beg for pardon, it is really a lot easier to understand GDR (grinning, ducking, running) than a graphical interpretation of it... :-P -- Best regards, Alexander The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers. -- Sydney J. Harris Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys
Hello Maggie, 31-Jul-2004 16:10, you wrote: ASK And, I beg for pardon, it is really a lot easier to understand GDR ASK (grinning, ducking, running) than a graphical interpretation of it... ASK :-P Grinning, ducking, running is this one :gdr: I know. I don't think :-P looks much like gdr either! ;) :-) It was not meant to be in comparison/context with *GDR* ...other than underlining my statement. -- Best regards, Alexander Something unknown to our understanding is visiting the Earth. -- Mitron Zverev, Soviet scientist Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to setup a filter to send back reply automatically?
Hello Darrin Rich, 03-Aug-2004 18:17, you wrote: Anyone have some ideas? The Sorting Office's Action tab is very large... and while it is arguable what quality of UI design *scrollable* tabs are, you can find exactly what you're looking for there: an Action create auto-reply (halfway down or so). Set the checkbox, click the button to open the template window, type your reply, hey presto. -- Best regards, Alexander The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular? -- David Sarnoff's associates in response to his urgings for investment in the radio in the 1920s. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid-anyone else do this :)
Hello Darrin Rich, 07-Aug-2004 01:42, you wrote: lameness (Not even sure thats a real word) Ever since the early days of computer freakism, it sure is. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander You're caught in a labyrinth of choice and possibility in the world today, so you have more opportunity to express your desire, fulfill your desire, sin if you like. The thin line between paradise and The Devil's Circus, the agony and the ecstasy. (Youth) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat!: Email program or Toy?
Hello Cory, 06-Aug-2004 10:33, you wrote: A solid and (virtually) bug-free mail client might even attract more corporate users then there are now But the average corporate user probably uses 20% of the capabilites of Outlook/Exchange... imagine what would happen when you confront them with TB, the macros, the filters... :-} -- Best regards, Alexander It is better to have loft and lost than to never have loft at all. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt filtering: Spam error high
Hello Peter Kerekes, 08-Aug-2004 00:21, you wrote: Need some help to improve on Spam filtering. Forgive me the stupid question, but do you actually train the BayesIt filter if it has a false negative? (right click on the mail, Special, Mark as Junk). Can anyone suggest a change in any settings to improve filtration? Have you trained the BayesIt filter by importing a large Spam database? I found its accuracy dropped when I did that. I only used my Spam for training BayesIt, and its accuracy was much higher. -- Best regards, Alexander No one listens until you make a mistake. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages lacking In-Reply-To: header and not threading (Was: Re: Harvest Sender Email Addresses??)
Hello Kevin Amazon, 09-Aug-2004 00:53, you wrote: Strangely enough, I see the reference headers in Gerard's message but not In-Reply-To header and his messages do not thread on my system either. Those messages do thread fine here at my end, too. I am using version 2.12.00 of TB, and those who report threadings works just fine are using, as far as the information is availabe, the 2.12.xx version ,too. You and Allie are using 2.13beta - and the messages do not thread. HA! :-) -- Best regards, Alexander [Women Jurors] are like arsenic and old lace; they come in crying in their lace handkerchiefs, and then they put you in the gas chamber. (Melvin Belli) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyMacros - getting it
Hello DanG everyone, 08-Aug-2004 19:39, you wrote: I use Nod (which I recommend highly) NOD32 is fast, but it is not a very secure virus scanner. There are a number of test with similar results for NOD32. For example http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showtopic=6165 (sorry for OT but I find AV program recommendations based on taste are a bit too dangerous these days...) -- Best regards, Alexander A protective-reaction strike means never having to say you're sorry. -- Anonymous Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages lacking In-Reply-To: header and not threading (Was: Re: Harvest Sender Email Addresses??)
Hello Allie Martin, 09-Aug-2004 17:56, you wrote: You and Allie are using 2.13beta - and the messages do not thread. HA! :-) I thought you were on to something but I'm now here at work, using v2.12.00, and Gerard's messages are still not threading. OIC. Just looked at the first message were you reported broken threading, and in that signature I saw 2.13... -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Harvest Sender Email Addresses??
Hello Jan Rifkinson, 08-Aug-2004 20:29, you wrote: Hi Pete. I assume all msgs have been read. Ungh, now this one doesn't thread at my end! :-/ Anybody else? -- Best regards, Alexander I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. -- Winston Churchill Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Word wrap problems
Hello Marck D Pearlstone, 27-Jul-2004 14:17, you wrote: We have found that a popular mono font is Andale Mono - if you can find that one, maybe you'll have a change of heart. A late reply, but nevertheless... I just found a rather nice monospaced font in TrueType format - its called Monaco and can be found here: http://www.pa.msu.edu/ftp/pub/misc/tek-phaser/ttfonts/MONACO.TTF Its not looking very good at size 8 or 9, but if you have a higher resolution (I'm using 1280x1024), size 10 looks pretty good (just IMHO of course) -- Best regards, Alexander The errors to avoid are those that eliminate opportunities to try again. -- Lazar Goldberg Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watched Folders
Hello Joseph N., 10-Aug-2004 17:28, you wrote: In TB! 2.12.03, under Folder/Properties, there's a Watched By... button. What is that feature about? When you use Virtual Folders, you can select which folders' contents should be looked at by the filter criteria of the Virtual Folder. You can include normal folders either in the properties page of the Virtual Folder, or the other way around with the Watched By button. -- Best regards, Alexander 'To be is to do.' (Socrates) 'To do is to be.' (Jean-Paul Sartre) 'Do be do be do.' (Frank Sinatra) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders don't display contents immediately
Hello Robin Anson, 10-Aug-2004 12:30, you wrote: Has anyone else experienced the problem? Does anyone know of a solution, even a possible solution, before I go crazy with frustration???!!! My TB! startup was significantly slower after I installed a virus scanner with an on-access watchdog. Excluding TB!'s mail directory (and subdirectories) from the on-access scanner helped me. -- Best regards, Alexander Sie müssen sich Microsoft wie eine Bestie vorstellen, die alles verschlingt, was auf ihrem Weg liegt. (Matt Rosoff in 'Directions on Microsoft') Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Command Line Parameters
Hello Jeff Gaines, 11-Aug-2004 14:54, you wrote: I am new to The Bat! and I am having trouble finding the Command Line Parameters in the help file - clicking on 'Command line parameter' brings up an empty dialog saying 'Click a topic, then click Display' - a bit difficult! Thats odd. It shows fine here with the same version (2.12.00) Is this possible in The Bat! please? Thats very easy with the /MAIL option. I'll send you the portion of the help text via PM. -- Best regards, Alexander If nobody said anything unless he knew what he was talking about, a ghastly hush would descend upon the Earth. -- Sir Alan Herbert Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error restoring attachments
Hello Tobias,
11-Aug-2004 14:53, you wrote:
I did a full backup in TB!, electing *not* to store external attachments
in message bodies.
Isn't that what you should've done in order to preserve the attachments?
They're not stored in the message body (and thus, the messagebase).
Apparently you've formatted your attachments away... :-{
--
Best regards,
Alexander
Dilbert's Words of Wisdom: Needing someone is like needing a parachute. If
he isn't there the first time you need him, chances are you won't be
needing him again.
Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Feature complete automatically entry fields : adresses from.......
Hello Thomas Fernandez, 11-Aug-2004 17:44, you wrote: W I want to keep this setting but I want to delete some unused data from this W history that is now to loud... I think you just need to highlight the entry in the drop-down list (the little arrow on the right) and delete it. You need to highlight it with the LMB pressed and keep it pressed while deleting items, or else you'll immediately pick the entry you highlighted with the mouse. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander At last they are beginning to take me seriously. This imposes a terrible burden on me. I must redouble my laughter. -- Lawrence Durrell Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
If Exists Macro?
Hello everyone, is there a macro (or some other solution) to test the existence of a file on disk? Something like if exists 'c:\file\foo.txt add it to the message, if its not there, don't do anything. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) We are hunting for rational reasons for believing the absurd. -- Lawrence Durrell Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem of privacy in TB ?
Hello WilWilWil, 11-Aug-2004 19:04, you wrote: The only one difference between them and me is that I 'm connected to Internet trough an other PC which share his connection... There you have it. :-) I've seen similar on messages I've sent @ work vs. messages I've sent from my home PC. The mails sent @ work contain a lot more information about the computer in the LAN. At home I have no network. -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter on Reply-To:?
Hello David Earl, 11-Aug-2004 20:30, you wrote: I've set up a rule that when text [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in Recipient, the post should be moved to folder ListServ. I need this rule to test the Reply-To: field, rather than the To: field. I'm new. I'm blind (well, I'm not seeing what I want ;). How do I do that? Simply set Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as your filter string and Kludges as the location (presence Yes is obvious:-) Or perhaps a better question, how do I add header fields to the filtering list? You can test for all headers with the location Kludges. Just add the name of the header (X-Mailinglist, or whatever) to the filter string. -- Best regards, Alexander Who the hell wants to hear actors talk? -- H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default Outbox for Common Folders
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:29:30 +0200, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the outbox for common folders (or the choice of default account) be controlled somehow, or have I goofed there? (I know I can set the default the identity, but that doesn't solve the transport issue.) Account - Properties - General - Checkbox This account is the default for MAILTO:; ... will make the account the default account for common folders, too. Its a bit misleading, indeed. :-) -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayes***** Plug-In.
Hello Chris Weaven, 12-Aug-2004 19:58, you wrote: Bayesfilter Bayesit! I tried Bayesfilter, but somehow it did not learn as fast as BayesIt. However, I'm using PopFile now and use Virtual Folders to reflect the bucket classification of PopFile (except for spam, of course). -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: If Exists Macro?
Hello Dan Grunberg, 12-Aug-2004 01:39, you wrote: I haven't tested this, but I think it will do what you want to do. if exist path\yourfile.txt copy path\yourfile.txt c:\forthis\adhoc.txt Thanks Dan Roelof. I'll try these suggestion this weekend. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander We are not primarily put on this Earth to see through one another, but to see on another through. -- Peter de Vries Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error restoring attachments
Hello Tobias, 12-Aug-2004 01:10, you wrote: Are you sure that's what necessary to back up attachments? I'm not 100% sure - I just did it that way when I re-installed Windows because I knew before that the location of the attachment folder would change and wanted to avoid any trouble. -- Best regards, Alexander I never make mistakes. I thought I did once, but I was wrong. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: If Exists Macro?
Hello there... ...well, that if exists function... :-) I just found out my problem is different. My beloved :) music player allows me to create a file in the style of now playing... - I wanted to check wether this file exists, and if it does, include it below my signature, and otherwise include a cookie. However, if the player isn't playing a thing, the file still exists, but is empty (0 bytes). So an if exists doesn't help me very much, I'd rather need to check the size of the file... I suppose that can be done with a RegEx but this is exceeding my capabilites by far (so far:-) ... (in addition, that %IF clause continues to puzzle me) Thanks for your help anyway to all of you. -- Best regards, Alexander Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. (Winston Churchill) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Adress Book vs. Adress Book Groups
Hello. Can someone point out the advantages/disadvantages of using separate adress books, or rather one adress book with several groups in it? If some people could write how they're using the adress book(s) or groups it would give me the right inspiration, maybe. :-) Thanks -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) In a way, science must be described as paranoid thinking applied to nature: we are looking for natural conspiracies, for connections among apparently disparate data. -- Carl Sagan Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat Pricing
Hello Peter Meyns, 14-Aug-2004 14:15, you wrote: | RandomSignature-Professional 3.2 - DEMO | !!!You are using an illegal key! Please buy a LEGAL copy!!! LOL!!! -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC
Hello St - Musaic.Net, 14-Aug-2004 16:17, you wrote: exactly how do you send TB that IPC command when TB fails to read the file that contains the request!?! You don't send an IPC command, you use the command line which passes its commands to the running TB instance. That is in the helpfile, too. -- Best regards, Alexander I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability. -- Oscar Wilde How true... Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC
Hello St - Musaic.Net, 14-Aug-2004 17:35, you wrote: My point is this: For no reason, TB may at any time simply stop looking for thebat.IPC - and thus TB won't know of the _future_ commands you send it (by the way of the command line). Have you investigated why this is happening? SysInternals FileMon may be of help. Maybe your on-access virus scanner blocks the file, something like that? (In fact, you don't even have to use _command_line_ method - you may simply create the file (thebat.IPC) manually - just make sure the syntax is correct and here we go.) AFAIK you're running TB permanently (and at very short poll intervalls). An environment that, as you said some weeks ago, requires you to restart TB now and then. You could do that with a scheduled /EXIT when you're in doubt if the .IPC file is still interpreted, couldn't you? -- Best regards, Alexander There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] Some tasks are now active
Hello St - Musaic.Net, 14-Aug-2004 16:04, you wrote: Now, exactly how do you send TB that /EXIT command when TB fails to read the file that contains the request!?! GREAT! You can issue an thebat.exe /EXIT command and it will quit the running instance of TB. You don't need the .IPC file for that. Repeat: How do you send TB that /EXIT command (or whatever IPC command) when TB fails to read the file that contains the request? ** You. Do. Not. Need. The. IPC. File. ** ** You. Do. Not. Need. The. IPC. File. ** ** You. Do. Not. Need. The. IPC. File. ** Just try. Open a command window, cd to the path were thebat.exe is, and enter thebat.exe /EXIT. In the time of the wink of an eye, TB will shut down. -- Best regards, Alexander Stress is when you wake up screaming and then realize you haven't fallen asleep yet. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Reply for new thread (was: Deleting Inbox Messages Takes About 4 Seconds)
[uncut reply with top posting to a moderator note by Bill Woodward] ...sometimes I just can't do anything but ROTFL and be glad that its not me who is the list moderator... ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: more than just spam/ham classification (was: Re: Bayes***** Plug-In.)
Hello dAniel hAhler, 15-Aug-2004 00:28, you wrote: I tried Bayesfilter, but somehow it did not learn as fast as BayesIt. However, I'm using PopFile now and use Virtual Folders to reflect the bucket classification of PopFile (except for spam, of course). But you cannot reflect real bucket classifications like German, English or similar with that, can you? Of course, why not? We discussed that a couple of days/weeks ago. The idea is to set color groups for the text classification and upon the color group of the message show them in virtual folders (color groups only because they can be changed afterwards in thebat, just in case POPfile classified a message wrong) That's a pretty cool thing so my reply template can react on that. Never thought about that... separating german and english, nice idea... :-) -- Best regards, Alexander Tis not too late tomorrow to be brave. -- John Armstrong, in The Art of Preserving Health Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Panda antivirus plugin
Hello Claude Renaud, 14-Aug-2004 13:58, you wrote: I just did a search on google about the panda antivirus plugin. The only plugin I found is the 0.1 test version which seems to work with the latest panda antivirus software. Does someone know if a more recent version has been realeased ? I won't be of any help regarding your question (I know though that Panda AV is a pretty good program)... I just wonder if it is really necessary to have an antivirus plugin for (any) email program. AFAIK most of the modern AV programs either watch incoming traffic on the socket layer and catch (any) virus content, either by email or malicious websites that way, or they offer at least a local virus scanning proxy. I myself am not using either. I even excluded TB's mail directories from the on-access scanner for performance reasons. The on-demand scanner will scan TB's mail archive's anyway during my weekly scan. And if I ever should accidentally choose to save a virus attachment to disk (which is hardly going to happen since my system is protect by my brain, too), the on-access scanner will catch the file, then. Am I missing something or putting myself at larger risk of a virus infection? Am I just not seeing it? -- Best regards, Alexander Every tomorrow has two handles. We can take hold of it with the handle of anxiety or the handle of faith. -- H. W. Beecher Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: more than just spam/ham classification
Hello dAniel hAhler, 15-Aug-2004 11:55, you wrote: I thought you were using another Bayesian Filter, but you're using POPFile, too.. :) I'd vote for integrating something like POPfile into TB, of course. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander Gumperson's Law: The probability of anything happening is in inverse ratio to its desirability. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, 15-Aug-2004 15:12, you wrote: I checked the BAYESIT.LOG file and realized that all messages are marked with either 100/99 % or 0% probability, which means that no matter how low I set the parameter, it will continue working the same. I don't understand how come there is no gray area, with messages marked with a, say, 30% probability, etc. I do not get any false positives at all, but I do get about 4% of false negatives... I just checked my POPfile bucket pages and found it very interesting that, despite spam is only 5.8% of my messages (lucky me, hu?), the distinct word count for those spam messages is by far the highest (only messages marked as genuine/english come close). I'd interpret that as spam is *very* recognizable after a certain training period. That could explain your results with BayesIt - maybe. In practice, I had similar (odd) results with BayesIt. :-) ...part of the reason that made me switch to POPfile... -- Best regards, Alexander Bradley's Bromide: If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee... that will do them in. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Monaco TTF Police ?
Hello WilWilWil, 15-Aug-2004 17:26, you wrote: I've seen in a previous subject that SO spoke about monaco.ttf ? I can't find this subject again in archive... SO can remember me the link for get this police ? Police? ...anyway... :-) http://www.pa.msu.edu/ftp/pub/misc/tek-phaser/ttfonts/MONACO.TTF -- Best regards, Alexander Politicians should read science fiction, not westerns and detective stories. -- Arthur C. Clarke Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stupid-anyone else do this :)
Hello Roelof Otten, 07-Aug-2004 01:51, you wrote: Happens to the best of us. When I want to send an email at work (using MS Outlook) I often press F2 when I'm finished, probably since I'm using two programs that use that key for sending. Alternatively, CTRL-Enter works equally well in TheBat and Outlook for send now - that helps me a lot. -- Best regards, Alexander DP2: We Mean You No Harm by Ominus from 'Ominus' Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [St's TB Annoyances] Re: Some tasks are now active
Hello dAniel hAhler, 18-Aug-2004 19:13, you wrote: TB first wants to delete the THEBAT.IPC file (where it writes the command line /EXIT into) and than exits. Wait a minute... TB itself writes the .IPC file when you access it via the commandline?!? Ouch, I didn't know that. -- Best regards, Alexander DP2: We Mean You No Harm by Ominus from 'Ominus' Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: we need real *powerful* threading
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 02:18:29 -0700, Samson wrote: i think thebat needs a better subject matching algorithm Why do you use threading by subject, and not by references? Threading by references in TB is close-to perfect (the only things I am still missing are built-in function to manually add messages to a thread and manually break a thread). The threading can only be improved by automatically falling back to a combined threading by subject and creation date in case the sender uses a mail application that breaks the threading by reference. Certain webmailers like hotmail, or M$ Outlook when sending thru Exchange do that. They remove the References and In-Reply-To Header. -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: we need real *powerful* threading
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:13:30 +0200, MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Threading by references in TB is close-to perfect (the only things I am still missing are built-in function to manually add messages to a thread and manually break a thread). Take a look at www.rancho-k.com :) I beg your pardon, but this is way too complicated for me, thats why I wrote built-in function... :-) (I am fully aware that your solutions already has existed for quite a while now). Thanks anyway! -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list for Tbat
Hello Darrin Rich, well... as for searching messages and tracking individual conversations, I find TB's virtual folders more and more versatile (compared to the crap search folders Outlook 2003 offers), especially with the threading by reference. The only problem for me is that the VF's sometimes tend to forget their state, no matter what you've configured them to do. And searching is slow, no doubt. Sorting mailinglists with high traffic and such into VF's is no good. I'm currently keeping mailinglists in separate folders and everything else in VF's. Works pretty good. The only thing I'm missing is that I can't meld my three mail accounts' inbox into one (in the meaning of: the three accounts will always be visible in the folder structure). Im experimenting right now with Neo (Nelson Email Organizer) add on for Outlook. Outlook? No. Way. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Let the great world spin forever Down the ringing grooves of change. -- Alfred Lord Tennyson Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML templates
Hello M i c C u l l e n, But we've got smileys, which is clearly what you want in an email client rather than actual functionality... Email != HTML SCNR :-P -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) When I was younger I used to think I knew all the anwers. Now I'm beginning to realise I only know some of the questions... (unknown) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML templates
Hello M i c C u l l e n, 23-Aug-2004 00:34, you wrote: with bandwidth increasing at the rate it is, HTML email isn't the scourge it once was Never mind the bandwidth. Its a security and privacy issue. Greetings from netsky.p - or was it .q? :-P -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) All words are pegs to hang ideas on. -- Henry Ward Beecher Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading question
Hello Thomas Fernandez, 23-Aug-2004 18:15, you wrote: It does over here. Dito. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I would like to hear Elliot Carter's Fourth String Quartet, if only to discover what a cranky prostate does to one's polyphony. -- James Sellars Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading question
Hello Roelof Otten, 23-Aug-2004 19:08, you wrote: 'WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange)' that appears to provide broken threading headers. ...just like the majority of webmailers, I want to add... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: template problem
Hello Chris, 23-Aug-2004 20:17, you wrote: Finally, it changes the Reply-To address to Chris on the TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] to help make sure that replies get back to the list. But the listmailer overwrites any reply-to address anyway. (see F9) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office environment
Hello Jurgen Haug, 23-Aug-2004 20:22, you wrote: that would be great, may we take this off-list? Maybe not, I'd be interested in that too... (having a really huge Exchange mailbox, I only tried once and it took ages to synchronize so I left that idea alone for now). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) From the moment I picked your book up until I laid it down I was convulsed with laughter. Someday I intend reading it. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: RE:someone out there having experience using TB! in a otherwise Outlook/Exchange office environment
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:26:07 +0200, Jurgen Haug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: somehow the server kills all headers it doesn't like. I can't use the chat functionality of TB!. (or maybe I haven't turned it on properly???) Apparently, this is an Exchange issue (I've fiddled around with it before). Outlook, when used via POP3, leaves the headers (especially in-reply-to and references) intact, while when sending over MS Exchange, kills those headers. This alone is such an annoyance, I don't know what drugs those guys in Redmond are taking while programming... -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayeIT Macros
Hello Michael L. Wilson, can you please cut down the size of your signature? 3 lines of your text: I let BayesIT filter everything that is spam. I use no external notifier, and no internal spam filters. Therefore, that could be the problem followed by 20 lines of signature is a bit out of balance IMHO. Its nice that you like to play with TB's macros, but please forgive my ignorance, I'm not interested to get your personal spam statistics with each and every mail you send to this list. Thanks. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Whatever it is... I'm against it. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayeIT Macros
Hello Jan Rifkinson, 24-Aug-2004 18:33, you wrote: Hi Gerard. If that's the case, then do you have any ideas to explain the difference between the BayesIT stats the # of junk emails I have in my current file? Do you have your own filters that deal with junk email, too? If those aren't caught by BayesIt and you sort them to the same junk email folder, that would explain the difference. For a start, use your junk email to train BayesIt with them: mark all of the junk mails, right-click, specials, mark as junk. That should at least make a significant difference on the false negatives statistics: the percentage value that says ...guessed right 99.5% of the time should drop a lot if BayesIt only detected 2 mails while in reality 95 mails were junk, ahem... :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Science may be described as the art of systematic oversimplification - the art of discerning what we may with advantage omit. -- Karl Popper Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayeIT Macros
Hello Jan Rifkinson, 24-Aug-2004 19:25, you wrote: Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.5.11) Total Spam Emails: 2 Total Clean Emails: 186 BayesIT guessed right 99.5% of the time My email is 1.06383% spam Now what? Apparently, something is pretty wrong with the Bayesit stats. :-} [my opinion, the more I read about it here: BayesIt is a strange thing... apparently, it works... but do its programmers know why it works? No offense intended:-] -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Whistler's Law: You never know who's right, but you always know who's in charge. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayeIT Macros
Hello Jan Rifkinson, 24-Aug-2004 21:09, you wrote: Z I am not sure how BayesIT calculates the guessed right statistic but Z I would assume that it looks at how many Spam or Ham msg you correct by Z using the mark as (NOT) junk function. Geez, why would I do that? I'd be busy most of my day. Or am I missing something? If I were you, I'd disable your own filters that catch spam temporarily, and only train BayesIt for a while. After all, it is a *learning* filter that increases in precision the more you teach it (by telling it what is spam and what is not), and not a statistics tool. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Our political leaders are unenlightened and corrupt, but with rare exceptions, political leaders have always been unenlightened and corrupt. (Alobar) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrading from 1.62 to v2
Hello Östen Häggmark, 24-Aug-2004 21:34, you wrote: What's the proper routine for upgrading? I seem to remember I read something on the Ritlabs site about just installing v2 over the old version, in the same folder? Can't find that recommendation now, though. But the recommendation is valid - I did it that way half a year ago, and it worked just fine. Of course, making a backup first just to be on the safe side is a good idea. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Having only a few visible scientists, if that's the way it works out, is not good, but it's better than having no visible scientists. -- Carl Sagan Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayeIT Macros
Hello Jan Rifkinson, 24-Aug-2004 22:01, you wrote: Yes, of course you are right about your second poing but, just to be stubborn for one more moment, If BayesIT filters see msgs before TB! filters then this would not be necessary, right? And I can't get a definite answer to this question yet. It doesn't matter wether BayesIt comes first or TB's filters come first when processing messages. If a message passes BayesIt as not spam (while it actually is spam) and your filter picks it up as being spam, how would BayesIt ever know the message was spam? Or what do you mean? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Is it not that Her Majesty's government infored our people of what they know about U.F.O.'s? I think it is time our people were told the truth. -- Brinsley Le Poer Trench, Earl of Clancarty Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: auto-marking bayesIT junk mail as read
Hello Jan Rifkinson, 25-Aug-2004 17:12, you wrote: For the life of me I can't figure out how to auto-mark all junk mail filtered by bayesIT as read junk. Preferences / Protection / Anti-Spam has a little checkbox in the lower part of the settings screen that does this. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Humor is the shortest distance between two people -- Henry Youngman Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayeIT Macros
Hello Jan Rifkinson, 26-Aug-2004 01:18, you wrote: ASK Apparently, something is pretty wrong with the Bayesit stats. :-} So, tonight I have 376 msgs in my junk folder. I marked none of them as junk, i.e. they were all junked automatically -- presumably by BayesIT. So here are my stats Those 376 junk mails are a total, correct? I mean... Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.5.11) ... :-) Anyone have any ideas beyond the notion that the macros don't work. Or put it another way, has anyone found that the macros do work represent some real numbers? Try replacing the (24) hours in the macro call with a number large enough to give a totals value maybe? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports say America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you make. -- Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields' Cookies. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayeIT Macros
Hello Jan Rifkinson, 26-Aug-2004 19:12, you wrote: ASK Those 376 junk mails are a total, correct? yes. However, at this point I have 651. Nearly 300 junk mails in 1 day? Well... even without correct statistics from BayesIt the other conclusion for me would be dropping that mail account. :-} -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking... the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit training - how long before results?
Hello Philip Storry, 27-Aug-2004 22:00, you wrote: I even marked my Sent mails as not-junk when training, on the egotistical presumption that nobody writes the kind of email I'd like to recieve better than myself! *grins* Thats is indeed a very common practice. Our antispam solution at work uses Bayes analysis, too, and auto-learns from sent mail (it would not be useful to have each MS Exchange user manually train the filter). Due to the nature of Business style mail communication as introduced by MS Outlook (top posting with full quote below) that works pretty good. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions that will kill the poor, and succeed sometimes with the rich, and the results of which, collectively taken, are more fatal than useful to mankind. -- Napoleon Bonaparte Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
Hello Thomas Fernandez, 28-Aug-2004 18:40, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.08 Wasn't this mentioned on the list before to cause problems? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The errors to avoid are those that eliminate opportunities to try again. -- Lazar Goldberg Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common Folders
Hello Chris, 28-Aug-2004 13:59, you wrote: I'm trying to work out the best way of organising some of the folders I have three mail accounts, and everything that belongs to certain cathegories (like mailinglists, newsletters, friends family, etc.) goes to common folders (or virtual common folders) so I don't have to watch three inboxes. Only when a message fails classification I have to look into the normal inbox folder. Using virtual folders makes searching for messages easier. Just thought I'd share the idea. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Space is felt as a great thing. There is some pinch of narrowness to us, and we laugh and leap to see the world, and what amplitudes it has... high yet are but lanes and crevices to the great space in which the world swims. (Ralph Waldo Emerson) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deletion options for Common Folders
Hello DZ-Jay, 28-Aug-2004 16:22, you wrote: Don't you see a 'Deletion' tab towards the end of the tabs in the common folder properties? Must be a beta thing, because I don't see it here. Good to know that it was added, though :) I'm using 2.12 and I do see the deletion tab for my common folders. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
Hello Thomas Fernandez, 28-Aug-2004 18:40, you wrote: I have 512MB RAM, don't know why it says 523MB In the computer world, a factor of 1024 is/was common. In the real world :) however, 1000 always is and was the factor for kilo, mega, giga, etc. But its not consistently used... when you read mb or Mb or MB, you're just never sure what is really meant: emm-bytes or megabytes ...?!? :-) Sometimes its even mixed, and whatnot. Barrels of fun. A harddisk with 60 gigabytes (1000x1000) has 57.22 Gbyte (1024x1024), or has it 58.59 Gbyte (1024x1000)? :-} -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) DP2: First Light by Briano Eno Harold Budd from 'Ambient 2 - The Plateux of Mirror' Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anyone know a really GOOD and recent review from a big magazine or so about TB?
Hello Jurgen Haug, I myself find it very hard to describe the advantages of TB over any other mail client - because many of the most powerful features aren't exactly available at the surface of the program but are in depths one must be willing to explore. 30-Aug-2004 21:35, you wrote: I think my TB! wouldn't do anything that I couldn't do with Outlook. Merci bien. The mailer part surely isn't one of Outlook's strengths :) and I see little sense in using Outlook at home (or generally in any environment without MS Exchange putting the things together), but in an MS Exchange environment, I see little chance of replacing it as a client. In our company we make massive use of public folders, contacts, group calendars and whatnot - thats not the strength of TB. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) DP2: On Air by Saafi Brothers from 'Mystic Cigarettes' Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anyone know a really GOOD and recent review from a big magazine or so about TB?
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:04:51 -0500, Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In our company we make massive use of public folders, contacts, group calendars and whatnot - thats not the strength of TB. About the only thing you could duplicate is the use of public folders. Though you can't create one, TB! will subscribe to public or shared folders. There's a lot of things you can't do with TB when connected to an Exchange server - that you can do with Outlook. Now I'm *not* an Outlook advocat, but the combination with Exchange is unbeatable, and trying to mimic some of the functionality with any other client looks like a selfmade home improvement solution, no matter how noble the intention is. -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: folder to hold 100 most recent messages?
Hello Christopher Brown, 31-Aug-2004 19:23, you wrote: Is there a way to have a folder hold the 100 most recent list messages, and move the older messages to another folder? The reason is that I use IMAP, and I would like to have an IMAP folder to provide access to the most recent posts so I can view them from anywhere, but I don't want the folder to grow too big, since my IMAP space is limited. Therefor, I'd like to move older messages (100 messages old, or one week old, for example) to a local folder as needed. I don't know how that will work with IMAP (I have no IMAP account, makes no sense for my private mail usage), but virtual folders have a filter Age that allows filtering by greater than/less than/equal than + a number of days. Being a virtual folder, it would be entirely dynamic without the need to move mails around. Now that doesn't exactly provide a solution for your wish to download older messages, but maybe it is a start? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I never forget a face ...but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hello AceMan, 31-Aug-2004 19:45, you wrote: Needless to say, it appears A LOT of people are not impressed with this decision. Further discussion on this topic can be found here: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta%40thebat.dutaint.com/ I'm not getting any wiser reading that. Can anyone shed some light on the issue? Whats going on? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Ice Water? Get some Onions - that'll make your eyes water! -- Groucho Marx Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:00:49 +0100, AceMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Registered users are expected to pay for the upgrade to v3.bugs included. I'll stick with v2.12 until it implodes, or whatever, and after that I won't be a Ritlabs customer again, ever. My story - I bought v1.62r in February 2003, only to see that v2 was released later that year (while the betas were all named v1.63, remember...). No different update policy for late registrations (mine was 7 or 8 months old) compared to those users who used the v1.x for *years*. That was the first time I was really pissed about Ritlabs' company decisions. However, XMas2003 I bought the update to v2 with 60% discount (because I needed better PGP support), and now only a couple of months later they release v3 and want to charge their users again? I don't know how others feel about that, but it leads me to the question: What extreme quality of superskunk do they grow in Moldavia? This is so way out of anything I've ever experienced, I have no other explanation. Its interesting to know that v1.62r was the last release version, while people were testing the v1.63 beta versions - which never made it into a v1 release, instead the version number was bumped to v2! Apparently, they tricked their fellow beta testers the same way with v2.13 betas - which are now released in a v3 one has to pay for? Pathetic. I have enough of Ritlabs. As soon as this v2.12 doesn't do what I need anymore, I'm off for another email client, be it PocoMail or Becky or whatever. I doubt there's one other company that succeeds in ripping their loyal, trusty paying customer base off worse than Ritlabs. Sad but true, as the uninstaller of TB! used to say when I removed it from my office machine. -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:45:24 +0200, MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outlook 2003 has virtual folders TB has VFs and, from what I have heard, with more functionality or possibilities than Outlook. The so called search folders in Outlook 2003 look good at first, but they are, as with every MS product, hard to set up correctly. TB's VF's produce the wanted search results much easier, accessible on ONE properties page instead of two or three nested pages with Advanced buttons (in the usual MS style - MS really screwed a good function by bad accessibility here). ...that is, *if* the VF works (see my other message sent a couple of days ago - out of memory error whatnot). Anyway, if you are convinced Outlook is better... make the jump! It depends on what one needs from an email client. I make heavy use of TB's templates (together with the Macros of course), and Outlook has zero of that (at least nothing I know of). OTOH, one may regard all this (just like Cookies, taglines, whatever) as gimmicks braincandy :) that are not really necessary. For me, proper formatting of text-only messages, including the ability to re-flow quotes, is very important, and neither Outlook nor Opera's M2 or AK-Mail or Thunderbird (haven't tried others) has any function like that of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:01:38 +0800, M i c C u l l e n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real problem here is, as ever, the complete lack of meaningful communication from Ritlabs. Makes me wonder how a company selling email products can't handle it... :-) I mean... I subscribed to their newsletter or announce mailinglist or whatever it was called when I bought v1.62r, and did so again when I upgraded to v2. The only mail I ever got was an advertisement for their SecureDisk product. who *has* the information? Did beta testers know that everything in v2.13beta would turn into a new v3? -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Refund Claim
Hello JARDAY, 01-Sep-2004 16:21, you wrote: If RL wants to continue doing things in this way, I think they should change their billing model to an annual subscription model rather than a per-major-version -- since the current practice tends to be quite disillusioning. Nice that you mention it. I'd be willing to spend $15 or $20 per year for an email client of TB's power, no problem... RIT wouldn't need to bump to major version numbers just to keep their minor updates are free promise then, and the version numbering would be more coherent... maybe software will be entirely subscription based on the future, as long as constant fixes and updates are guaranteed and there's a reasonable pricing (RITs practice of charging student/private/business users differently is the right way), it would be my choice #1 for software. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems With Spam Filters and Filters
Hello Scott Sims, 01-Sep-2004 16:40, you wrote: Upon restoring my computer and The Batk Backup, I had 2.5 months worth of email to sort. Approx 1500 would be SPAM. I managed to manually click on 898 SPAM messages and move them to the junk folder. Here lies one problem. The rest of the SPAM in my inbox would be the pretty much the same, yet when I go to re-filter the messages, The Bat does not pick up anymore SPAM (After learning from 898) which is annoying. This sounds to me as if the spam filtering via plugin happens before the regular filters kick in, thus no re-filtering will work. I don't know the filtering system of v3, however, and if it differs from v2 in that manner. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Development of a project: 1) Enthusiasm 2) Disillusionment 3) Panic 4) Search for the guilty party 5) Punishment of the innocent party 6) Fame for the non-participants -- Anonymous Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs policy is not great...
Hello WilWilWil, 01-Sep-2004 14:50, you wrote: Ritlabs policy is not so great... How do you know, they haven't sent out any information yet, or did they? I've lost my Job last year and bought TB for manage my Job research. I'm not so happy to pay again for being up to date with TB when my order is just 3 months old ! As long as you don't know how your registration will be treated (maybe you get a free update because you only registered three months ago, it would be more than fair in my eyes), why do you complain? So the problem is: lack of information! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The energy released in ten minutes of a hurricane is equal to that of all the nuclear weapons on the Earth. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB V3 pro and personal...
Hello Michael L. Wilson, 01-Sep-2004 18:20, you wrote: According to other messages, Professional contains a spell checker and home does not. Read again: its separate downloads for the home version while its included in pro. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Progress isn't always for the best. Smoke signals never got an Indian out of bed at 3:AM to answer a wrong number. -- Mack McGinnis Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tenure as List Moderator Ends
Hello Allie Martin, 01-Sep-2004 14:05, you wrote: I'll be stepping down as one of the moderators of the lists (TBUDL, TBBETA and TBTECH), effective as of now. Thank you for all of your efforts, Allie. It never stopped to amaze me that you and your fellow co-moderators always found friendly words for almost every moderation incident. My dearest respect for that ...even more with regards to my own temper. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Lynn, 01-Sep-2004 17:56, you wrote: MDP It can. See Editor preferences: Smart wrapping of quoted text. It's checked in my preferences, but doesn't do it .. I'm using the %SmartQuotes macro from the MyMacros pack for that: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros/ -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Neurobiology cannot be learned at the feet of a guru. -- E. O. Wilson Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello Mica Mijatovic, 01-Sep-2004 18:56, you wrote: It depends, Miguel. (-: Have you ever tried to work (especially estimating something new) anything more seriously with a slapping popups, constant interruptions and disabled features around? So, the v3 trial isn't only time-limited, but also lacking functionality? :-( -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Do you see this egg? With it you can overthrow all the schools of theology, all the churches of the Earth. -- Denis Diderot Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs policy is not great...
Hello DZ-Jay, 01-Sep-2004 21:59, you wrote: Lack of information after such a big outcry from their paying and loyal customers that we have seen during the past few days on the lists, is enough for most of us to loose faith in and respect for RitLabs. Who knows about Ritlabs intentions to proceed to such an, from the users point of view, unwise step? It would sure help to understand things better if we knew... But then again, too many things have gone wrong IMHO. Instead of fixing bugs, they're introducing new features - and new bugs. The complaints about old v1.xx bugs still being unfixed are not new (though I personally haven't experienced any problems, I suppose those complaints are legit). Instead of keeping the userbase up-to-date with information (the newsletter one can subscribe to upon registration that apparently remains unused by Rit), they sling out a new major version. A major version that, from what I've read here, apart from the new filtering system (that was beta-tested as version 2.13/xx), does hardly deserve the v3 branding (but who am I to judge this) ...and instead of information, they apparently don't even have an update policy for users that registered only a couple of days/weeks ago. Anyone has a decent feeling of deja-vu now? It was exactly the same when v2 was released, yeah. One day it was v1.63beta, the next day it was v2beta, the day after that it was v2.00. And since this is the second time in one year Ritlabs decides to do things like that... well, everyone has decide for him-/herself it that company is worth one's trust and/or money. It seems that programmers are just not good at running a business. :- Sorry, but I also paid for v2.x about 4 months ago and will not update to v3, ever. I will continue using v2.12 until that time when I find a better program. The problem may very well be that there is none. When it comes to VF's, the filtering and the macros (and the wish to have those features together in an email client), is there an alternative? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail (Abraham Maslow) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [News] TheBat! 3.0 new version announcement
Hello Mike email (The Bat!), 01-Sep-2004 22:32, you wrote: I shall have to pay another 14 GBP. They have screwed me for £13.60 One year ago, when things were exactly the same with the release of v2, people in a similar situation wrote a personal mail to Ritlabs and got a new license key for free. You should really try that. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Laws of Postal Delivery: Important mail arrives late. Junk mail arrives the day it was sent. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs policy is not great...
Hello DZ-Jay, 01-Sep-2004 22:43, you wrote: Well, I use Mutt, which is a console MUA for Linux. Liar - Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) ... :-) The only thing that might be a problem to some is that its not point-and-clicky, i.e. its a console application, driven by keyboard not mice. Awww, thanks... I already live in the 21st century. Console is just not my cup of tea. It was cool in the late 80s though, on the Amiga. ;-) I'm a happy mouse GUI user today. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) DP2 playing Fluxgate by Biosphere from '(an interactive sound installation, Tromsø, Norway)' Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:33:17 -0700, Samson public-samsonsu-/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, avoid creating VFs with filters. use fast search whenever possible. Hmmm. Whats the use of VF's then? This would limit their usability quite a bit... I beg pardon for sounding negative, but the topic VFs really annoys me ATM. -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative emailers
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:27:33 +0200, Roland Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add Mulberry (especially when you use IMAP). And add Marlin! ...oh, and add... ;-) Maybe not complete, but a useful resource for more mail clients than you've ever heard about is: http://email.about.com/od/windowsemailclients/index_a.htm -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs *is* a business...
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 07:15:18 +0100, Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on a bit of a jihad against the really stupid use of smilies, LOL, etc. Wow. Can I join your club please? LOL! ...whooops... SCNR ;-) -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:45:13 +0200, Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cursory read Does that mean cursing, while reading... ? ;-) -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
