Re: How to get rid of the X-Priority field
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:54:04 -0700, Bill McQuillan wrote: I have noticed that TB puts: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) SNIP Has anybody found a trick to get rid of this ugly field? If you really hate this header you could try loading thebat.exe in a HEX-editor and null out all 2 (Low), 4 (Normal) and 4 (High) text strings you can find. I tried it on a sandboxed Beta! specimen and it worked. Back in the good old days it used to be quite a sport to use this method in order to modify headers in the newsreader Forte Agent. There even used to be a usenet newsgroup especially dedicated to it: alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.modified. So, maybe it's time to let the glorious past relive. ;-) Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: www.pcwize.com/thebat/
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:45:57 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Anyone else having trouble logging onto the subject website? Since Years, but there is nobody which is able to fix it with a new Coding of the Scripts... It's Leif's site, and I think he doesn't read this list any more. I'll contact him by PM. Oh sweet nostalghia! Floppy disks. Centronics ports. Dot matrix printers. OS/2. PCWize Slimeys. 10BASE2. 56k dialup modems. Gravis Ultrasound. Roguemoticons. Tape backup. FIDO. Those were the days. Arjan -- Winamp now playing: The Mars Volta - Since We've Been Wrong Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mails in foreign languages
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:24:45 +0200, Jens Franik wrote: [Two TB! versions on one machine] Or maybe run the second one under sandboxie You have to run both under Sandboxie, because every Application in the Sandbox can read the Registry outside of the Host Machine... Then try installing Voyager... Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mails in foreign languages
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:40:24 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I tried them in TB 4.2.6 but unfortunataly my Windows doesn't speak Thai. I think if you'd tried 4.0.28 (which is not possible, but hey), your Windows would have spoken Thai. Yes, it does. I never bothered experimenting with exotic character sets, because I don't speak those languages anyway. When I tried your messages again the Subject did show Thai characters. Nothing recognizable as such in the message body though. I'm can only speculate about the cause but it may have something to do with how TB interprets the Content-Type: header line. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mails in foreign languages
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:02:33 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thanks for your confirmations. I have sent a PM to Max ans Stef, as my assingment is due on Saturday but I don't even know what I have to do... You might try to install version 4.0.x seperately and then apply the unix mbx export-import trick I explained before, just for the messages that are currently important and/or urgent to you. Otherwise I wouldn't know how to get out of this situation... Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Headers and hyphens
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:14:58 +1000, Robin Anson wrote: If you want to add, for example, 'X-Newheader' to your message headers, and you use %HDRX-Newheader with a value of string=n in your template, you'd add the following, right? %HDRX-Newheader=string=n No, you need to use the macro %Setheader.(X-Newheader,string=n). The syntax you tried does not accept special characters (including -) Yes. %HDR is a so called legacy macro. It doesn't seem to have any purpose anymore, but it's still there because of backward compatibility. It's a little bit unfortunate however, that this macro is still recommended in the Message Headers setup screen of the latest Beta! Release version. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mails in foreign languages
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:05:25 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: AdG I don't know about your set-up, but in my situation I would try AdG this: Thanks for your idea, but it seems a bit unfeasable: Yes, I suspected it already. When I used TB on a regular basis, I filtered incoming mail directly to unix files and kept my database small. Have you tried the messages? Which TB! version are you using, and how do they display on your side? I tried them in TB 4.2.6 but unfortunataly my Windows doesn't speak Thai. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mails in foreign languages
On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 21:17:36 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Problem is that the first message (and other messages alike) do not display correctly above 4.0.28. Is there a way to downgrade? I don't know about your set-up, but in my situation I would try this: 1) Add a new Virtual Folder and configure it to contain _all_ messages in your database. 2) Export all messages from this Virtual Folder into 1 big Unix message file. 3) Delete all messages from Virtual Folder. 4) Install TB! version 4.0.xx over 4.2.x. 5) Import Unix file into the Inbox of re-installed 4.0.x 6) Refilter the Inbox manually, to return all messages to their folders. You should make a back-up before, and your mileage may vary, but to me this seems to be the best method to avoid compatibility problems. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting sending to default to adelay
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:27:33 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Ritlabs, having the same market power as Apple, does not need to ship an updated manual with each release. Somebody will write it in their free time. In the meantime, we use Google. There hasn't been a new Beta! version for almost two (2) weeks, which is an unusual long period. My guess is that Ritlabs are very busy now, completely dedicated on writing a brand new help file, with all incorrect and dead links fixed. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with %HDR macro
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:00:37 +0200, Marek Mikus wrote: Let's not go nit-picking over which headers need changing or not. You wrote examples and I am telling You, these are bad samples, because such headers are internal and must conform RFC. I agree. Reply-To would have been a better example. If You need to change headers with dash, use %SETHEADER or %ADDHEADER. That's clear now. So hopefully we can now agree that the Note in the Message Headers Setup Window is giving wrong (or inaccurate) information. (X-Rogue is a header that doesn't need adding or changing, because it is only used by or interesting for a very small minority of Beta! users, who, in turn, represent only a very small minority of the total e-mailing population.) how You can tell this, if You are here six months only? No offense, but I really do not understand your arguments. It was a little joke, meant to emphasize that lots of header names have dashes. And I've been here for a little bit longer than six months. Seven years comes closer. I've started with TB! v 1.4x and have been on the TB! mailing lists ever since. If You want examples, You can see them here: http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php I am trying to document all available macros including all internal and external macros with description and samples and this is very hard task, trust me. Thanks very much. You're a great help and a very nice fellow list member (and I really mean that!). Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with %HDR macro
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:15:38 +0200, Marek Mikus wrote: What wonders me is why there are three different macro's (two of which don't seem to work properly) that arguably serve the same purpose. Typical known redundancy :-) %HDRheader returns current message header %HDRheader=text and %ADDHEADER adds header or adds text to existing header %SETHEADER changes existing header I see no typical redundant macro like %POSTPONE and %DELAY, where %DELAY was kept to have backward compatibility I have re-examined the help file but I still fail to see the relevance of the %HDR macro's. Lots of regular RFC headers have a - in them (Like Message-ID and In-Reply-To) and a macro that can't handle it seems to be a bit superfluous. What's more, refering to them in the Header Definition Window is IMHO plain misleading because it leads users into the wrong direction. The function of the %ADDHeader macro is clear to me now. But I think the name is a bit misleading (ADDTOHeader should have been more apt) and I consider the double Value I encountered to be a bug. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with %HDR macro
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:07:42 -0700, Bill McQuillan wrote: My guess is that the %HDR macros were the first attempt to allow this capabiity, but when it was discovered that the parser couldn't handle an embedded - the %ADDHEADER and %SETHEADER macros were created which used a quoted string for the header name so that the parser would allow the - character. The %HDR macros woere left in for backward compatibility. If this is the case, the %HDR macro should never have been allowed to survive the (Beta) test phase in the first place. Its flaw is very very easy to spot. If some basic testing had been done it would never have made it into the following public release version. The doubling of the Value is a side-effect of the way that macros are executed during the editing process (twice). This is the reason for the %MODIFYONCE macro. In this case you could use %MODIFYONCE(User-Agent) at the beginning of your template. However, %SETHEADER would also work by creating the same User-Agent header twice. Thanks for explaining. %Setheader will do nicely for me. In my early Beta! days I did a lot of testing messing around with all kinds of macro's and templates but nowadays I've grown tired of it. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with %HDR macro
On zaterdag 13 juni 2009, 9:54:10 PM Marek Mikus wrote, You can not change Message-ID and there is no need to change In-Reply-To header which includes Message-ID of replied message. Let's not go nit-picking over which headers need changing or not. (X-Rogue is a header that doesn't need adding or changing, because it is only used by or interesting for a very small minority of Beta! users, who, in turn, represent only a very small minority of the total e-mailing population.) I don't know what You really want, but developers will not remove any macro in future versions regarding to backward compatibility. I only want some clarity. Which macro I do have to use in what situation. Like I said, I've grown tired of experimenting, using my own mail-server as a guinea pig and trying to decypher mysterious, incorrect or out-dated help texts. Toying around with macro's and templates used to be fun with versions 1.xx, but not anymore. This whole current macro business in TB! is just too muddled, badly documented and unnecessary complicated to be really useful for me. The function of the %ADDHeader macro is clear to me now. But I think the name is a bit misleading (ADDTOHeader should have been more apt) and I consider the double Value I encountered to be a bug. no, ADDHEADER adds value to header, Yes, although it would be better worded like this: ADDHEADER _appends_ value TO header. Still, there should be some better explanation in the help file on how or when to use this macro. while SETHEADER changes header, there is no bug here. Setheader works just fine. I don't think I will need the other ones. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with %HDR macro
On Saturday June 13 2009, 9:57:51 PM Marek Mikus wrote, it is known that %HDR macro doesn't allow special chars and this note is included in help. I've been wondering about that. What is meant by special characters? Does there exist A Definition Of special characters? I don't know. Personally I think special characters are characters that are not in the ASCII (0-127) table, but that's open for argument. IMVHO the help text should be very clear about which characters are allowed and which are not. Anyway, any macro with such (very) limited usefulness like that of %HDR should be eradicated and transferred to Non Documented status As Soon As Possible (IMVHO, of course). Arjan -- [Winamp now playing: Jason Lytle -- Furget It] Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with %HDR macro
On vrijdag 12 juni 2009, 1:02:20 AM Marek Mikus wrote, I think this might be a bug in the %HDR macro but I'm not absolutely sure. Maybe it needs some extra ()'s or s to make it work. I don't know. no, this macro doesn't allow dash, use %ADDHEADER(RFC Name,Value) instead. I tried using that, but it returned Value twice (See the User-Agent header in this message. There is a macro that works though. I found it on the PCWize Website, in the instructions on setting up an X-Rogue. The syntax is the same: %SetHeader(RFC-Name,Value). What wonders me is why there are three different macro's (two of which don't seem to work properly) that arguably serve the same purpose. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem with %HDR macro
Hello fellow TBUDlers, TB! has the possibility to add user-defined headers to messages. First you have to define these headers (Options - Preferences - Viewer/Editor - Message Headers), then you can use these headers by inserting the associated macro into a template. The header definition window has this to say: Note: You can also set/edit those fields in the message editor and refer to them in templates using %HDRhhh and %HDRhhh='...' macros where hhh is the header's RFC name. When trying to use this macro there is however a problem. If there is a - in the header's RFC name (like in User-Agent) it doesn't work. For example, if I put %HDRUser-Agent='The Beta!' in a template, my message-body (literally) starts with -Agent='The Beta!' and the User-Agent header stays empty. I think this might be a bug in the %HDR macro but I'm not absolutely sure. Maybe it needs some extra ()'s or s to make it work. I don't know. There is also a bug in the Edit Header Field window. When I click Help I get this: Missing context help topic 11029 -- Best regards, Arjan mailto:l...@partyheld.de Current version is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best 3.x Version?
On Friday 8 februari 2008, 12:51 Martin Schuster wrote: I would simply like to install the latest and best 3.x version and live happily with it for the next years. Any opinions on which one to use? Which version proofed to contain the least number of bugs? I would say v3.98.4. That one is pretty stable and doesn't have too many irritating bugs. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 4.0.0.22 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:05:23 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: I call it stupid because it serves no purpose whatsoever. No other mail-client that I know of understands it, no e-mail user that I know of cares about it. It's just code sitting in there for nothing. Well, I know of other email clients that use the same reply numbering. Yes, I'm sure you do. Limiting whats good and bad, Nice discussion technique! There's an appropriate English word for it and it's called innuendo or stupid, to your own limited knowledge of things, and judging the usability of it by that and your own limited imagination, is maybe the same. It's obvious you don't know the difference between stupidity and common sense. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:52:06 +0200, Roelof Otten wrote: GSIs this going to affect message threading? No. Not for TB and other threading mail clients. For non-threading mail clients that only thread/sort on subject it might improve threading. However, other mail clients DO have a problem when replying to those numbered Re: TB-specific messages, because they don't recognize them as such. Which leads to messages with Subjects like: Re: Re[4]: Reply to problem. In short, this Re: numbering is non-RFC, superfluous and stupid, and RIT should get rid of it as soon as possible Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:15:27 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: In short, this Re: numbering is non-RFC Can you point me to the RFC that says reply prefixes *MUST NOT* contain these numbers? RFC-2822 has this to say: 3.6.5. Informational fields [...] The Subject: field is the most common and contains a short string identifying the topic of the message. When used in a reply, the field body MAY start with the string Re: (from the Latin res, in the matter of) followed by the contents of the Subject: field body of the original message. If this is done, only one instance of the literal string Re: ought to be used since use of other strings or more than one instance can lead to undesirable consequences. If I understand correctly, it implies: you MAY use 1 instance of Re: in a reply, but you SHOULD NOT use other strings as it can lead to undesirable consequences. superfluous and stupid, and RIT should get rid of it as soon as possible Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:25:45 -0400, David Calvarese wrote: Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. I never have understood why we had that option to begin with. That's always one of the first things I do on setting up an account, turn off reply numbering. Shortly after sending my previous message I suddenly remembered the SINGLERE macro. Back in the TB! v1.xx days you had to use this macro in Reply-templates in order to suppress the default Re[x]: numbering. I never understood the purpose of this TB! specific idiosyncrazy. Maybe it is some kind of inheritance of the BBS-era of the late eighties, begin nineties, or something like that. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:53:46 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: If I understand correctly, it implies: you MAY use 1 instance of Re: in a reply, but you SHOULD NOT use other strings as it can lead to undesirable consequences. That is one interpretation. :-) Another fine example of an RFC that doesn't create clarity, because it leaves too much room for interpretation. That's RFCs for you... ;-) The rest? Pretty washy in my opinion. Its always *may* and *ought to* - not *must*. Yes of course. But these RFCs have nevertheless led to some kind of generally accepted consensus on e-mail formatting. And that's what counts in the end. Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. Well, that is your opinion. I wouldn't use such hard words. I call it stupid because it serves no purpose whatsoever. No other mail-client that I know of understands it, no e-mail user that I know of cares about it. It's just code sitting in there for nothing. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Woo-hooooops! Unleashed bunch!
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:54:09 +0200, Mica Mijatovic wrote: [Parked drafts in Outbox] In my case, recently, I found several of them (the wildly sent ones) still interesting, for various reasons, although outdated, and had unparked them in order to move them in other folder, and perhaps later to decide what to do with them. You don't have to unpark messages before moving them. Just move them. TB! will ask: Do you want to MOVE parked messages as well? You must then click Yes. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hello, my email has changed, I can no longer make post to the list
On Mon, 30 May 2005 14:19:14 -0400, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote: My email address was [EMAIL PROTECTED] unfortunately now, it is [EMAIL PROTECTED] How did that happen? Did you accidentally install WinXP SP2? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what's new in 3.5.0.17 ?
On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:50:33 +0100, MFPA wrote: Rule of thumb: all versions with two or more dots are Beta versions. 3.0.1.33 has three dots and was the version for sale on the Ritlabs website when I upgraded from v2. Version 3.0.1.33 is the latest of the 3.0 Post Release Beta series, that turned out to be stable enough to be released as the definitive 3.0. If I remember correctly (but correct me if I'm wrong) v3.0 officially introduced the New Filtering System. It took quite some time to weed out all bugs. Version 3.0.1.33 is the end result of this bug fixing process. Version 3.0.2 (or was it 3.0.9?) marked the beginning of the New User Interface Beta testing program. It took quite some time (and version numbers) to implement this feature, and a lot of additional time to fix bugs, and the end result, v3.5, proved to be very buggy still. So, now we've entered the Post Release Beta testing phase of v3.5, which in the end should result in Post Release Beta version 3.5.x, stable enough to be released to the general public. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what's new in 3.5.0.17 ?
On Thu, 26 May 2005 22:49:30 -0400, Roman Katzer wrote: V. 3.5.17 (now 3.5.18) is officially a beta. To read about it, subscribe to TBBETA. To download it, register as a beta tester. Ah. I was confused because the list server added lines speak of 3.5.0.17 not as a beta. It's a Post Release Beta. Rule of thumb: all versions with two or more dots are Beta versions. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:47:23 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: If you don't open attachments, and you configure your browser to disallow active content, and you block all incoming ports that are a potential security risk (you can essentially block _all_ ports on a PC that is used only as a client machine), you can be safe, with or without an A/V product You really believe this, do you? I do. I've been using personal computers for almost 20 years now and never needed any protection against virusses, trojans or whatever, whatsoever. When TB! got plug-in support I installed AVG though. That was funny and more or less informative while it lasted. But in the end I got fed up with the incessant Swen.A and Netsky.Q notifications and uninstalled AVG. Ever heard of the average Joe User? :-) Yes. Poor Average Joe User. Buys Norton Antivirus in a shop and believes he's safe... Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Limiting references in reply chains
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 05:01:00 -0500, Mary Bull wrote: I notice that the references are growing and growing in messages that I exchange with other people via replies (I reply, he replies, I reply, he replies). Is there any way to put an upper limit on the number of references included in the headers for continuing replies like this? If I've understood your question correctly you're talking about Re: numbering? No, he's talking about the References headerline. If this is not what you mean, please explain further. What line in the headers are you referring to? The References headerline is a list with Message-IDs from previous messages in the thread. How the References headerline should be implemented (in a mail- or newsclient) is described in the relevant RFCs. If I remember correctly, a client should NOT remove Message-IDs from References. On the other hand, a References headerline should NOT exceed a total of 1024 characters. I've forgoten exactly which RFCs deal with this subject (it has been a long time since I read them). Maybe you could do a bit of research yourself). Arjan -- [Non-text portions etc] Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit063.rar bayesit064.rar bayesit065.rar ?
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:16:46 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I leave betas well alone - I earn a lot of money keeping a lot of clients very happy using The Bat and its filters. I cannot afford instability. Then you should not use BayesIt _at all_. As the version numbers say, _all_ BI versions are beta's. Why RitLabs decided to include it in the TB! setup is just another one of the many mysteries surrounding Ritlabs software development philosophy. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Refund Claim
Hello Michael, Friday, September 3, 2004, 11:34:26 AM, you wrote: Well, in a purely technical sense Ritlabs did indeed keep its promise. [] [Snip] Promising features for one version, selling that version with just alpha-character features and releasing a new version that only differs from the old with some bugfixes and the mentioned - now usable - features, which means an additional charge even for customers who already paid for this features... MS Sorry, but this seems to me like deceptive business acts... I didn't exactly state they deserve an Award for, uhmm... Ethical Behaviour. -- Arjanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Refund Claim
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:58:03 +0100, Morgan Pugh wrote: As for what Ritlabs said they would do feature wise in TB! it depends if it was a true contract or just features they are planning on adding/fixing. Well, in a purely technical sense Ritlabs did indeed keep its promise. A lot of bugs _were_ fixed (numerous others were introduced), IMAP _was_ implemented and v2 _does_ have a New Filtering System (albeit in a beta version which turned out to be in fact a v3 pre beta). So, anyone who wishes to use a v2 with IMAP and NFS can do so. At least beta/6 (buggy as it may be) should still be freely available at Ritlab's site. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New group to test The Bat! features
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:56:29 -0700, Michael L. Wilson wrote: There is now a new Yahoo group for the purpose of testing The Bat! features, including macros, templates, signatures (even really, really, really long ones). Nice! Can I test my macro %APPENDCOMPLETEBIBLE on your new Yahoo group? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help w/Color group filter for specific people
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:46:18 -0700, Darrin Rich wrote: [Colour filter doesn't colour] It must be the Inbox-known filter. [..] Any Ideas? Try moving the Known filter to the bottom of the filter list and then apply the Advanced option [ ] Address(es) must be listed in the addres book to the color filter rule. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: User: Cut mark
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:33:17 +0200, Peter Meyns wrote: Nevertheless your .sig is TOO LONG. [Leif's TOO LONG .sig] That's 8 (EIGHT) lines TOO MANY. I miss a smiley in your post. It's there though. Press Ctrl-Shift-K (RFC-822 Headers) and you will see it. Good thing we're not on the usenet! :grin: There should be a law against the size of .sigs. Arjan (Inventor of the Random Slimey Header) -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Anti Virus plug in not working?
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:46:44 +1000, John Phillips wrote: Just for fun (?), I ran the PcCillin free scan on my pc [ ] and for the third time in a row, it picked up two viruses (virii?) in Bat attachments which AVG missed. Just stating AVG missed two viruses isn't very helpful. What viruses are you talking about? Is the AVG plug in faulty, or is AVG generally not as good as PcCillin? Who can say. Have you tried scanning your pc with AVG, with the most recent update installed? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Anti Virus plug in not working?
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:18:28 -0400, Wolffe wrote: [...] I convinced her to buy AVG 7. It removed the trojan and several copies of some other nasty little critters than neither Norton nor AVG 6 found. Pattern files for both were up to date. Another unsubstantiated claim. I want facts, not hearsay. So, can you tell me the names of those nasty critters? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: AVG hearsay . NOT!
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:38:20 -0400, Wolffe wrote: Another unsubstantiated claim. I want facts, not hearsay. So, can you tell me the names of those nasty critters? That was about 3 months ago. All I remember was seeing a list of 53 infected files found and the viruses varied. The one that instigated the change from Norton to AVG was a PWS variant. AVG 6 found it but couldnt get it until I turned off system_restore and rebooted to safemode. In your previous message you stated it was AVG version 7 (and not version 6) that took care of the job. But a month later the system was infected again. Nothing we tried worked until we put on AVG 7. That's when we got the list of 53 files infected by at least 4 different viruses. I didnt take note of the names, I just reviewed the file, determined they werent important and told AVG to take care of it. So AVG 6 blatantly overlooked 53 files infected by 4 (FOUR) different viruses? I find this hard to believe. So it isnt hearsay ... I was the one cleaning the system and can say from personal action - Norton didnt get them. To _me_ it is hearsay. All I have to go on is two rather inaccurate, unreliable and unverifiable versions of your account. In order to be believed you'll need to get at least your facts straight. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Anti Virus plug in not working?
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 07:56:11 +1000, John Phillips wrote: Just stating AVG missed two viruses isn't very helpful. What viruses are you talking about? Netsky variation, and BugBear I have received numerous mail-copies of Bugbear and most of the Netsky alphabet and the AVG plug-in has never let me down. [] Have you tried scanning your pc with AVG, with the most recent update installed? Before I deleted the files, I scanned with AVG, and it missed them. Hmm.. Were those missed files any special? Compressed with rar or Zipped with a password? Having names with non-standard extensions? And have you checked the options before scanning? Maybe PcCillin gives false positives in order to (horror of horrors) sell their product, but I doubt it? Afaik AVG 6 can't extract (and scan) rar other non-zip archives. Perhaps the paid version has the same limitations? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: User: Cut mark (was Re: Smileys: Changes to the PCWSmileys page)
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:57:21 -0600, Leif Gregory wrote: Nice try... But it did have one. My name just happened to be above it, everything else below. Nevertheless your .sig is TOO LONG. -- Cheers, Leif Gregory List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor / ICQ 216395 / PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Web Site http://www.PCWize.com TB FAQ http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Using The Bat! 2.12 RC/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB. Tagline of the day: Ok, I pulled the pin. Now what? Where are you going? That's 8 (EIGHT) lines TOO MANY. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:09:58 -0500, Allie Martin wrote: Yes have now... exactly the same - total freeze - only way out is to stop the process using CTRL_ALT_DEL. Sounds like POPFile is having a problem with the new version. ... or the other way round. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:15:01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Checking 38 accounts freezes TB! 2.12] I am also autochecking multiple accounts and using Popfile, but it works without problems on my machine. So it's probably not that then. Well I don't know what it might be then. Anyone got any diagnostic suggestions? Decrease number of accounts one by one observe thawing point? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: hot key for mark as junk- PLEASE
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:07:35 +0200, Roelof Otten wrote: GM Who doesn't use mark as junk at least 5 times a day? I don't. Me neither. Spampal takes care of the junk marking all by itself. I don't use any spam filter at all, I don't get as much as five spams a week and yes, I've been on line for quite some time with my current addresses. I have used (and still use) real mail addresses on usenet. Before my provider took care of it, my Spamfilter caught around 200 Spam mails on average days and around 300 on peak days. IMO provider side filtering is _the_ future of Spam control. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:08:18 +1200, Allister Jenks wrote: The compression/purge used to run very slowly for my first account until I repaired it. Now that TB! has thrown away about 3/4 of my inbox in the repair process, the whole compression/purge is a lot more timely. You win some, you lose some. :-( Listen carefully. I will say this only once. TB! Usage Rule Number One: NEVER leave mail in the Inbox. The Inbox is the folder with the most traffic of all, which makes it also the most vulnerable. Use filters to move ALL incoming mail to different folders, even if it doesn't seem necessary. Using the Inbox for storing messages is asking for trouble. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how do I retrieve missing test folders
On Thu, 6 May 2004 22:10:36 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: How do I get access to the messages in my folders named test? Do this: [Snip] This should also work: 1) Create a new folder select it. 2) Choose Tools - Import Messages - From The Bat! Message Base (.TBB-Files)... 3) Find in TB! Message Folder Tree the folder with the missing messages. 4) Select MESSAGES.TBB click Open. This is also the method I use to copy messages between my regular Bat and my trial Bat. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best antispam approach I have found thus far for TB
On Sun, 2 May 2004 15:29:55 +0200, Mark Partous wrote: [Snip] But if there is one thing worse than Spam, it must be blacklists. I can understand your, uhm.. reservations, but on the other hand: blacklists are a _fact_. So why not use them for my own benefit? It is my own free choice and it won't do any harm to others. Nearly 100%, is that so much better than the 99,45% K9 delivers me, without DNSBL blacklists, and much more important: WITHOUT ONE SINGLE FALSE POSITIVE? Last time I checked my trash bin the counter stood at an average of 350 Spam e-mails every day (compared with around 100 at the beginning of the year). 99.45% accuracy means 5 or 6 slipping through the net every three days. That's a significantly worse score than the incidental escapee I receive with my current setup. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best antispam approach I have found thus far for TB
On Sat, 01 May 2004 20:49:31 -0500, Jonathan E. Brickman wrote: So far, the best approach I have found thus far for TB is the Bayes Filter Plugin (by Achim Winkler) plus SpamBayes. [etc] Just wondering why everyone seems so obsessed with Bayesian filtering. I'm using SpamPal. which has the added benefits of DNSBL lookups and Spamassassin based regular expression filtering. My current Spam-hit-rate is nearly 100%. Even the nowadays unavoidable delivery failure messages and virus mails are getting tagged. After installing SpamPal I've never looked back. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [notspam] Re: The Bat + POPFile + XRay
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:04:33 +0100, Marten Gallagher wrote: OF COURSE (AND I AM DELIBERATELY SHOUTING) IF WE HAD A SYSTEM OF CHANGING ACCOUNT PROPERTIES ACROSS ALL ACCOUNTS AT ONCE THIS WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM... Nonsense. ??? You want to turn TB! into some kind of mailserver. TB! is not a mailserver, it's a mail-client. As I said in my previous message; if you want to manage 38 email accounts, you'll need some program that's designed to handle multiple mail-accounts. Or you could try to setup TB! in a more clever way; 38 accounts to receive mail and designate a couple to send mail (Filtering can do wonders you know...) Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat + POPFile + XRay
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:19:14 +0100, Marten Gallagher wrote: Has anyone got any experience of running TB with POPFile *and* XRay (to select SMTP server). I have experience with TB! with SpamPal with FTGate 2.2 *and* X-Ray, all running seemlessly together. From loking at the documentation for XRay it seems its adding another link in the server chain. Yes, X-Ray is adding another link to the *outgoing* server chain. POPFile (as does SpamPal) is adding another link to the *incoming* server chain. No chance of them biting each other. I wonder if that could all be too mcuh and it will all fall over. On a slow system with Win9x installed perhaps. With 38 email accounts it is a nightmare changing every account's SMTP server when I move from one connecion method to another. With 38 email accounts I would be looking for a entirely different solution. Like a mailserver. OF COURSE (AND I AM DELIBERATELY SHOUTING) IF WE HAD A SYSTEM OF CHANGING ACCOUNT PROPERTIES ACROSS ALL ACCOUNTS AT ONCE THIS WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM... Nonsense. (Btw. Your signature is TOO LONG.) Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Reply-To?
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:22:24 -0500, Mary Bull wrote: Presently I'm staying with two tbudl filters, one with the string of the changed Reply to: and one with the string of the old Reply to: ,to which tbudl is now reverted. Just for the record. I'm using this: Strings: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: Kludges Presence: Yes (Regular Expressions checked, under Options) Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt is having a laugh...
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:15:29 +1000, Ian A. White wrote: Stranger still. This message was picked up as spam, but your other reply was not. Now one thing common to both messages is the word SpamPal in unquoted text so I am wondering if when this message gets to the list it is gets flagged as spam! The answer is easy. SpamAssassin checks mailheaders against lists of known Spam relays (DNS Blocking Lists). When we compare the relevant parts of the headers of John's two messages, we see this: (From the Spam mail): Received: from gizmo02bw.bigpond.com ([144.140.70.12]) (From the Clean mail): Received: from gizmo10ps.bigpond.com ([144.140.71.20]) So. John's messages were handled by different relaying servers. My educated guess is that the IP address 144.140.70.12 is black- listed on one or more public DNSBL servers and 144.140.71.20 is not. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt is having a laugh...
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:53:31 +0100, Marten Gallagher wrote: I've re0installed BayesIt 503 and it is immediately sending all TBUDL mail to the Junk folder. Is someone laughing somewhere there at the back. Just 1 simple advice: give SpamPal a try. http://www.spampal.org Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion: select below to signature divider
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:36:43 +0200, Peter Fjelsten wrote: I get mail from a lot of people who have huge problems with quoting correctly (i.e. top-posting), so I find myself constantly selecting a lot of quoted text below the cursor and hitting delete to delete all the bottom quotes. [Snip How does the rest of you handle this problem? In the original (malquoted) message, select the text I want to quote in my reply, then hit F4. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: filter: creating new message in outbox fails - SOLVED
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:54:42 +0100, dAniel hAhler wrote: Some featurewishes came into mind during this: - Filters that do not have to move a message! This is very bad design. You can get around this by setting source and dest folder to the same, but that does not help for shortcut filters that can be envoked on every marked message. These will be forced to be moved somewhere. Agreed. Moving messages should be under the Actions Tab in the Sorting Office. The present situation is very confusing, especially with Read messages filtering. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder View Modes
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:59:33 -0600, Greg Strong wrote: | I am no expert on View Modes (VM), but I'll give it a shot. | As I understand it you have 3 places where you can apply VM. | 1 Main Window | 2 View Folder FolderName of AcctName | 3 Browse Ticker Messages I actually found out 2 more areas for view modes 4 Message Finder 5 Browse Deleted Messages 6 Browse Ticker Messages Arjan -- Using The Beta! (v2.04.7) with Win98SE NL on ASUS P2B motherboard. One Intel Pentium II 266Mhz processor. 128 MB 100 Mhz SDRam. S3 Trio 3D graphic accelerator and Compaq V55 15 monitor. ESS 1868 Sound System. 3,06 GB Fujitsu HD. 40X CDROM. NEC 1.44 FDD. FTGate 2.2 mailserver. SpamPal 1.53 inc. Bayesian Regex plugins, X-Ray 1.0 Mailheader Modifier and AVG 6.0 (Free) AntiVirus. Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder View Modes
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:14:03 -0600, Greg Strong wrote: |3 Browse Ticker Messages ... snip 6 Browse Ticker Messages 6 = 3 Oh shoot! (Next step: why does KPF block incoming mail from local network?) Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB2 CE doesn't remember columns width
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:11:44 -0500, Allie Martin wrote: The only solution I can think of is to patiently wait for the upcoming release. Issues with the view modes have been just about fully dealt with. Just about ... but not quite. Arjan -- Beta 40 still says: Access Violation at address 0079F8F0 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing from this list.
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:47:22 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Can someone forward the Unsubscribe info to me! Just highlight any message of this list and go to Specials / Mailing List / Unsubscribe in the main menu. Not available in Main Window when Message Auto-view isn't selected. see: http://www.linu.demon.nl/unsub.png Arjan -- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unusual spam
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:20:33 -0600, Kitty wrote: It's just a new spammers trick to circumvent Bayesian filter detection. Press F9 to see the raw message body and you most probably will find an HTML-ized URL like this one: Bingo. Had a message like that and when I did F9 the below popped up. I guess I'm not understanding though why someone would do this if you have to look at F9 to find the content. Or, does it display differently to people who don't use TB? This type of Spam is aimed primarily at MS Outlook Express users (i.e. the large majority of Internet users). Outlook Express uses the MS Internet Explorer HTML rendering engine to automagically download and display those URLs. So, if one is online and viewing the Spam message with OE, the linked pictures will be visible in the message body. Arjan -- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unusual spam
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:44:23 -0600, Kitty wrote: First, I get several messages a day from a variety of different supposed authors that just have random words and nothing else. I don't really understand the purpose of this spam unless it is to just see if the mail bounces back or something. It's just a new spammers trick to circumvent Bayesian filter detection. Press F9 to see the raw message body and you most probably will find an HTML-ized URL like this one: | --=_NextPart_000_031E_F246ED44.9A2B62D1 | Content-Type: text/html; | charset=us-ascii | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit | | htmlbody | center!--sr4Aqp1wGaht--a href=http://www.SPAMSITE.com?rid=1097; | img src=http://www.SPAMSITE.com/picture.gif; border=0/a/center | body/html As this is a _direct_ link to the Spammer's WWWebsite, you'll have to be on-line and using Outlook Express or something like that to see the real message (which is in the picture). I believe it should be possible to get rid of this type of Spam in TB! Just add a filter that checks on a regular expression, like: img src.+http\:\/\/.+\/.+\.(gif|jpg) (Hope I got it right...) I have not tried this kind of filtering in TB! I'm using SpamPal's regular expression plug-in to do the job. The other type of spam I get is similar to the above but is random letters in clumps of usually 5 letters but occasionally more. These are not words at all. Again I don't understand the purpose of these at all. Like the above, this is simply meant to mislead Bayesian filtering. Arjan -- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:14:24 +, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: [Unprofessionalisms in TB!] To me, it sounds almost like fussing about the bad design of the indicator stalk in a Ferrari. Your insertion of the word almost made me sigh with relief. ;-) (I wouldn't dream of buying a Ferrari model of which the steering column or gearbox is still in beta testing.) Arjan (dreaming of buying a Ferrari) -- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sudden change to base64 encoding
In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Gordon Woolf wrote: A reply to one message is defaulting to base64 encoding, even if I create a new message and just paste in a part of the text of the original message and even if that text is saved via Notepad or NoteTab. Just to let you know you're not the only one. I myself have experienced this strange behaviour more than once. Until now I haven't been able to lay my finger on the cause though. Arjan -- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unsubscribing for a few weeks
In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mary Bull wrote: M Please enjoy! :-) Thanks, I shall. [snip] A lot of fuzz about a couple of weeks off (if I may say so). Arjan (silly subjects 're us) Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Downloading e-mail on to second computer
In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to install The Bat on to the laptop, download e-mail from the server, and, eventually, transfer all of the downloaded e-mail to the pc with The Bat, when I return. Is this possible? Yes, it is. If so, how do I do this? My preferred method is as follows: In the laptop installed Bat!, create a new filter that catches _all_ incoming mail. Move it to the top of the filter-list. Under Tab Actions select Export Message to file and name the directory\file where the messages are to be saved into. Choose Unix Mailbox file as Export format. Choose Append to existing file. This filter will create a copy of _all_ incoming mail into 1 standard unix mailbox formatted file. [] can I have the home pc refilter everything that is on the laptop into the correct folders. This should be the easiest part. All mail received on your laptop is in one file. You can now import this file into the Inbox of the home pc (click on Inbox, choose: Tools - Import Messages - From UNIX-mailboxes and select filename). Then choose Folder - Re-filter and all imported messages are now processed according to your home pc filter settings! Arjan Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: XP SP1
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob Mebus wrote: Just want you guys to know that Service Pack 1 for Windows XP is out. Hmm... I've just hot-fixed my XP with the latest security patches. It includes the possibility to really designate The Bat! (or any other mail client) as the default e-mail program Just for the record: I've never experienced any problem with that in WinXP (inc. IE OE). Netscape/Mozilla however... by disabling access to Outlook Express. An uninstall-option would have been better (oh well, we all know that.) Arjan -- Great prices on musical instruments Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup strategy
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jan Rifkinson wrote: After having to replace my HD, I am now constructing a *serious* backup strategy. Part of that strategy includes concentrating as much data as I can within the My Documents settings folder so I can backup that folder on a regular basis. What I'm trying to figure out is how to include TB! MAIL files within that structure. Is this possible? That's easy. Simply copy the TB! Mail folder (including underlying directories) to C:\Documents and Settings\MyAccount\My Documents [*] then, in TB! change the Mail directory accordingly. (Options - Preferences... - (tab) System - Mail Directory) ([*] = WinXP) Arjan -- Make money and download music Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: small feature request
On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 08:26:45PM +0545, Sudip Pokhrel wrote: [Right-click popup reply quoted text option] Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way though:) No :) There have been much talk regarding this; search the archives. IIRC, someone from Ritlabs has also pointed out why this feature was left out of TB! Oh, but it _is_ there, though in the wrong place. Right-click on the Message List, choose Specials, and there it is: Reply quoting selected text. Arjan -- *Kid's Anti-Bully Self-Defense Video Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sender's Info in Quotation
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 07:03:17PM +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote: Actually I've just set the option None under Account/Properties/Templates/Reply/Sender information... Thanks for pointing that out. It let me discover another new feature, i.e. the item Use reply numbering in the subject line. Now I don't need the %singlere macro in my Reply Templates anymore. (Hurrah!) Arjan -- $250,000 policy for only $8.50/month!mfdfkondsn Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: small feature request
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Lynn Turriff wrote: [The Reply quoting selected text right-click menu option] That's the long way round your elbow to get to your thumb, though. Easier to learn F4 ... easier still if it were right on the right click menu on the mail ... Yes I know that, but I was merely addressing the original statement/question about the right-click menu option. And regarding the F4 shortcut you mentioned, I've just used it in order to reply to your message. ;-) Arjan -- Invite: Your American Green Card Application Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Export to EML does not work properly
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Roelof Otten wrote: ECIs it possible that Exporting to .EML doesn't work properly? Reproduces here. Same here. Assigned a hotkey and I got a pop-up to select a folder, but I got an error and no files were saved. No matter what pane was selected. Strangely enough it only happens when I try to export to an existing directory on the C:-partition. Saving to any directory on D: (where all my TB data files reside) or a Newly added directory on C: works without any problem. Looks like a bug. It must be. Arjan -- Earn an insane living in the merchant business Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Searching within a message,
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Rykala wrote: The sad fact is, its normal email etiquette...exacerbated by poor email clients that do not bottom post by default. ... -- . - .. - - - - - - - - - - - - /Adam \__/ Rykala - - - - - - / / \ (. .) / - - - - - / / / / / / / \/ \ - - - - / / / / / / /: : - - - / / // / ' ' - - :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: / / PGP Public key / / .. \ \ :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: =UU==UU= :: 19 August 2002, 22:27 :: '/ / /||\ \ \':: http://new-wales.net :: ' '' ' :: Emails in and out scanned with AntiVir Mail Gateway for Linux :: The next time we elect a president, for God's sake can we do a background check? David Letterman Your .sig is too long. Arjan -- Hello alegraf , come and see the ultimate FREE TEEN Site! Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: archiving
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Razgo wrote: So all suggestions on the way you guys handle backup copies of your email is appreciated. My favourite backup-method is to save the messages to Unix Mailbox format: You can do this in two ways: 1) Select all messages you want to backup and then choose: Tools - Export Messages - Unix Mailbox or 2) Make a filter rule for incoming mail that will save the mail automagically to a Unix Mailbox file. (You can find this under: Account - Sorting Office/Filters and then: Actions - Export messages to file. The Unix Mailbox format has some major advantages compared to other backup methods. Most important: all messages are saved in one (ASCII) text formatted file, which makes the backup much less accident-prone than any proprietary backup format. Second: most email programs know the Unix Mailbox format, which makes it easy to exchange messages between these programs. And last but not least: Re-importing Unix Mailbox exported messages into The Bat! is really very simple: Choose: Tools - Import Messages - From Unix mailboxes... and there you are! Arjan -- Ultimate HgH, Human Growth Hormone Booster all natural superior and affordable product9358 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam filters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Headless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to add a filter that filters all messages that have more than one addressee in the To: or CC: fields. Anyone know if this is possible and how do I do it? Hint: addresses in the To: and Cc: fields are separated by a comma. Other tips on spam filters most welcome. Here is a really good one: Kill all e-mail originating from these domains: .+aol\.com .+@yahoo.+ .+@msn\.com .+@.*mail.* .+@excite.+ .+@[0-9]+\. In combination with the usual filtering on messages not directed to my personal mail addresses this one gets me a Spam Elimination Rate of nearly 100% ! Arjan -- 4.4661 Admittedly the signs are still combined with one another even in tautologies and contradictions -- i.e. they stand in certain relations to one another: but these relations have no meaning, they are not essential to the symbol. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Spam filters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a really good one: Kill all e-mail originating from these domains: .+aol\.com .+@yahoo.+ .+@msn\.com .+@.*mail.* .+@excite.+ .+@[0-9]+\. I am going to butt in here and ask a question. I am not sure how all the wildcards work that you are using so I wanted to see if I had entered this right. Here is a copy/paste of the filter as I have added it based on your remarks above: BeginFilter Name: SPAM Active: 1 Source: \\Jim D\Inbox Target: \\Jim D\SPAM CopyFolder: none MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: 00.+aol\.com MainSet: 00.+@yahoo.+ MainSet: 00.+msn\.com MainSet: 00.+@.*mail.* MainSet: 00.+@excite.+ MainSet: 00.+@[0-9]+\. etc. Is this right? Nope, that doesn't look right. BeginFilter Name: Trash Active: 1 Source: \\Main\Inbox Target: \\Main\Trash CopyFolder: none MainSet: 00.+aol\.com AltSet:1: 00.+@yahoo.+ AltSet:2: 00.+@msn\.com AltSet:3: 00.+@.*mail.* AltSet:4: 00.+@excite.+ AltSet:5: 00.+@[0-9]+\. AltSet:6: 00sex|porn|business|buy|baby|babe|free|hardcore|xxx|credit AltSet:7: 00Message-id:.+@relay\-14\.mail\.nl\.demon\.net AltSet:8: 41message-id:.+.+@.+ AltSet:9: 40Cc:.+alegro@ AltSet:10: 20[] Actions: faMarkRead,faExport,faoRegExp,faoAdvAddressOut,faoSaveUnix,faoAdvNoGroups AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: D:\Internet\TheBat\Files\trash.txt ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 0 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: Mine KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter --- Best regards, Jim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ -- 4.4661 Admittedly the signs are still combined with one another even in tautologies and contradictions -- i.e. they stand in certain relations to one another: but these relations have no meaning, they are not essential to the symbol. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Spam filters
[Please ignore previous mail!] In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a really good one: Kill all e-mail originating from these domains: .+aol\.com .+@yahoo.+ .+@msn\.com .+@.*mail.* .+@excite.+ .+@[0-9]+\. I am going to butt in here and ask a question. I am not sure how all the wildcards work that you are using so I wanted to see if I had entered this right. They are not wildcards, they are metacharacters. The filtering strings I provided are regular expressions. You'll have to check the item Regular expressions under the Options tab for this to work properly. Here is a copy/paste of the filter as I have added it based on your remarks above: BeginFilter Name: SPAM Active: 1 Source: \\Jim D\Inbox Target: \\Jim D\SPAM CopyFolder: none MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MainSet: 00.+aol\.com MainSet: 00.+@yahoo.+ MainSet: 00.+msn\.com MainSet: 00.+@.*mail.* MainSet: 00.+@excite.+ MainSet: 00.+@[0-9]+\. etc. Is this right? Nope, that doesn't look right. You should add the filtering strings as Alternatives in your SPAM filter. Hopefully this Copy-Paste of my own Trash filter will clarify things for you: BeginFilter Name: Trash Active: 1 Source: \\Main\Inbox Target: \\Main\Trash CopyFolder: none MainSet: 00.+aol\.com AltSet:1: 00.+@yahoo.+ AltSet:2: 00.+@msn\.com AltSet:3: 00.+@.*mail.* AltSet:4: 00.+@excite.+ AltSet:5: 00.+@[0-9]+\. Actions: faMarkRead,faExport,faoRegExp,faoAdvAddressOut,faoSaveUnix,faoAdvNoGroups AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: D:\Internet\TheBat\Files\trash.txt ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 0 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: Mine KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter Arjan -- 4.4661 Admittedly the signs are still combined with one another even in tautologies and contradictions -- i.e. they stand in certain relations to one another: but these relations have no meaning, they are not essential to the symbol. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Reply to all right click option
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really wouldn't know how to Reply Quoting selected text when TB! is focused on the Message List pane! If you have the message preview pane open, you can highlight in there, and use that menu context. Yes, but in that case I would have to shift focus to the Message Preview pane, select the text and then right-click the message in the Message List pane again! That just doesn't seem logical. But in your case, as you have the preview pane turned off, the menu option is a bit pointless. In my opinion menu items like Reply Quoting selected text make replying needlessly complicated. In Forte Agent (e.g.) it's plain and simple: IF selected text reply quoting selected text ELSE reply quoting entire text ENDIF. Arjan -- 6.32 The law of causality is not a law but the form of a law. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Reply to all right click option
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Reply Quoting selected text] Try this, highlight some text in a message, and hit F4, tada, the exact behavior you just described. It replies using the selected text, if some text is selected. Yes, I know that (I use it quite a lot, actually), but that doesn't make Reply Quoting selected text as being part of the right-click menu of the Message List pane less quirky or incomprehensible in any way. Anyway, there are more examples of weird or unexpected behaviour in TB! Recently I assigned a shortcut (Shift-Ctrl-U) to the menu-item: View - Display - Only Unread messages. It turned out that this shortcut doesn't work if the focus is on the Message List pane. It _does_ work in the Folder pane _and_ in the Message Preview pane however. It's things like these that really annoy me from time to time (at least, until I get used to it ;-). Arjan (who likes straightforwardness in programs) -- 6.3211 Indeed people even surmised that there must be a 'law of least action' before they knew exactly how it went. (Here, as always, what is certain a priori proves to be something purely logical.) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Reply to all right click option
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, there are more examples of weird or unexpected behaviour in TB! Recently I assigned a shortcut (Shift-Ctrl-U) to the menu-item: View - Display - Only Unread messages. It turned out that this shortcut doesn't work if the focus is on the Message List pane. That's because Shift-Ctrl-U is already assigned to Message List Popup - Thread - Mark as Unread. (Oops!) I should have read the Conflicts mini-popup screen more carefully. Arjan -- 6.343 Mechanics is an attempt to construct according to a single plan all the true propositions that we need for the description of the world. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Reply to all right click option
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael A. Yetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. But I would say that if I right click an email in the folder pane and get Reply and Forward options, a Reply to All would be appropriate? If you aren't reading the message, how would you accurately compose your reply? Here's another strange right-click menu-item: http://www.linu.demon.nl/tb.png (37 KB) I really wouldn't know how to Reply Quoting selected text when TB! is focused on the Message List pane! Although I've learnt to live with idiosyncrasies like this, I still think TB! would benefit from a major menu-revision. Arjan -- 5.5352 In the same way people have wanted to express, 'There are no things', by writing '(Ex).x = x'. But even if this were a proposition, would it not be equally true if in fact 'there were things' but they were not identical with themselves? Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Lynn Turriff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is the duty of every subscriber to read every message that is being potsted on TBUDL. No. It is the right of every subscriber, but not the duty. I read the first and maybe second message of every thread, and if it goes a way that I am not interested in, I don't have an obligation to follow the thread any further. That is my privilege. Thanks, Thomas ... I'm still not sure our leg isn't being pulled here though :-) To set your mind at ease: it was not my intention to pull anyone's leg. In fact the amount of serious replies to my light-hearted advice did surprise me a bit. Maybe I should apply more of those emoticons (hate them though) in the future. Arjan -- 4.465 The logical product of a tautology and a proposition says the same thing as the proposition. This product, therefore, is identical with the proposition. For it is impossible to alter what is essential to a symbol without altering its sense. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Palmreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is the duty of every subscriber to read every message that is being potsted on TBUDL. No. Simply No. Period. Nowhere is written I'm in duty to read every mail coming through this list. And I think you'll find few people agreeing with you on this opinion here. Erm.. Well, I have to admit that I wasn't _entirely_ serious. Which doesn't mean that I was entirely _not_ serious. [Snip] There's an archive. If I _really_ would have a question I'm able to search the archive (first my private one, than the online archive) if this topic was already handled. I'd do the same. And this method is quite more useful than reading every mail, simply because chances are high you don't remember a very specific topic that was handled 3 months ago only because you've read the mails regarding to it. On the other hand, reading messages that don't seem to be too interesting at first sight _can_ help you to understand certain aspects of the program better or provide you with useful information you didn't know of before. Take me for example. Just from _reading_ a lot of messages I learnt: 1) how to copy paste filters to from the clipboard. 2) how to use the AV-plug-ins. 3) that messages sent by TB! are blocked by several ISP's. So a search in archives is obligatory. Now if the search can't be avoided to be sure, why flooding your brain with reading every single message you're currently _not_ interested in To avoid further misunderstandings: my message was primarily aimed at TBUDL-subscribers who seem to have problems with the concept of reading before questioning. Like the guy who asks how to remove the X-Mailer-header whilst there is an extensive discussion about XRay in progress. Arjan -- 4.27 There For n states of affairs, there are Kn = nEv=0(n\v) possibilities of existence and non-existence. Of these states of affairs any combination can exist and the remainder not exist. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
In[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Lynn Turriff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be curious. And I wonder too what ya do with threads with a bunch of Unread status indicators, sort of glaring at you. And liable to pull you back towards them depending how you're advancing to new mail. Delete, delete, delete ... :-) I'm ruthless, and fast :-) I think it is the duty of every subscriber to read every message that is being potsted on TBUDL. If only to avoid the possibility of posing a very silly question about a subject that has just been discussed extensively on the List (adding, deleting or changing e-mail headers springs to mind.). Arjan -- 6.51 Scepticism is not irrefutable, but obviously nonsensical, when it tries to raise doubts where no questions can be asked. For doubt can exist only where a question exists, a question only where an answer exists, and an answer only where something can be said. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Get Rid of References Header
In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Dillinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would I eliminate the References header in my mail threads? I have no desire to sort by thread and I'm getting complaints from my paranoid IT friends. Victor Meldrew Mode I don't believe it! /Victor Meldrew Mode Arjan (Answer Mode Please read the currect threads on X-Ray! /Answer Mode) -- 6.232 Frege says that the two expressions have the same meaning but different senses. But the essential point about an equation is that it is not necessary in order to show that the two expressions connected by the sign of equality have the same meaning, since this can be seen from the two expressions themselves. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 05:02:55 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: Though I appreciate Arjan's initiative, I don't think it's meant to take such discussions away from TBUDL. It's not OT, and I'm not sure RIT guys read TBOM. The bottom line is, I can't go set up, e.g., TBFLT, and say all discussion about filters should go there instead of here. (I don't think Arjan means that, either.) I'm sorry, Ming-Li. That "initiative" of mine was meant to be a joke. It just was an example of my very own peculiar way of dealing with the endlessly ongoing discussions on TBUDL about subjects like "The Editor", "The Interface" and "The Other Ones"; subjects which, during the relatively short period of my presence on this list, repeatedly have been beaten to death and beyond, and still managed to miraculously revive. However, be assured that in no way I intended to deceive, annoy or insult TBUDL, its members and its moderators. When I posted my "announcement" I truelly expected the joke to be obvious to anyone at first sight. Well, in hindsight, I may have made a slight misjudgement... I sincerely hope you won't feel offended by my leg-pulling. Arjan -- PS. My evaluation of TB has expired, so I'm (temporarily?) back with Agent. I've decided to postpone my doubts on buying it until after the release of v2. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:05:54 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: Can I, as a subscriber to a discussion list about The Bat e-mail client, call upon the odd moderator or two, to ask that the Bat/Becky comparison be moved onto TBOT or whatever the new Bat versus other e-mail clients list is please. TBOM! Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Created in mailheader
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:46:26 -0700, Jan Deppisch wrote: [From the header:] | Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:46:26 -0700 ^ Do you live in Bangkok? I guess not. [...] But in the message list columns, where the date or time of the email is shown, only the other date/time appears: 09:29 I would like to see the "correct" time (18:29 im my example) there! Is this possible to set up somehow ? Yes it is. You'll just have to set up Windows for the correct Timezone, which in your case, I guess, should be GMT+01:00. Changing the Timezone is easy: double-click on the little clock in the Windows taskbar, then choose the Tab "Timezone" in the pop-up menu and select "(GMT +01:00) Berlin, Stockholm, ...etc" from the list of available timezones). That should do the trick! Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Exporting
On 23-09-2000, 19:06:45 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: [Re-importing messages] Just import them into the Inbox and re-filter. I don't know about you, but I have lots of messages which have been manually sorted. There aren't enough commonalities to use automatic filters on them. In that case it would be wise to save those folders into separate files. OTOH archiving messages from different mailing lists and/or e-zines together should be no problem. Anyway, my reply was meant as a general remark, not personal advice as such. Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: Bekky v.2 Was: Re[2]: Main Window in Bat!
On 23-09-2000, 14:05:36 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: TBOT is The Bat Off-Topic discussion list. It is a list set up by one of our members on egroups which takes the "overspill" conversations from TBUDL and TBBETA. And let's not forget the forthcoming split offs that, thanks to my very own initiative, will be up operating on egroups VSN: TBED - discussions on the TB editor. TBOM - TB vs other mailers. TBBUG- discussing the bugs found in TB. TBBRAG - boasting about TB. TBBABBLE - shooting the breeze about TB All lists will be maintained and mother rated by me. Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: Bekky v.2 Was: Re[2]: Main Window in Bat!
On 23-09-2000, 16:14:03 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: AdGTBBRAG - boasting about TB. I tried to join this list but was rejected with the following disclaimer: Subscription request for [EMAIL PROTECTED] rejected You have been witnessed making less than flattering remarks in the past with reference to The Bat! This disqualifies you from membership of this group. Hmm... Maybe you should join TBBAD (Cursing and abusing TB). Arjan -- ;-) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
On 22-09-2000, 02:02:53 +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: IMHO this type of address based filtering can be accomplished in an easier and more convenient way by using the Address Book as a filter source. That's quite a pearl. Thank you! Not because I want to filter out spam this way - addresses change to often to make this worthwile, IMO, and manual cleaning is just fine - but because you just opened my eyes to a new concept. Yep, you got the idea. This *is* a nice feat of TB: the ability to combine address book, group addresses and filters into an automatic task. That's exactly what I like about it. However during my explorations in The Bat Cave I've found a lot of strange inconsistencies, design flaws and bugs in the program that have tempered my enthusiasm a bit. To name an example: the Unix mailbox import tool is still rather useless because it doesn't recognize lines beginning with "From " in the message body-text correctly. (No need to say more...) And here's another weird one: open a message in the "View Folder [ ] of [ ]" window, select the "Navigation" menu and compare shortcuts for "Follow next/previous" and "Delete and follow next/previous". Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Making TB the default mailer for Agent
On 22-09-2000, 14:11:54 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Please do let us know whether it works with Agent yet Here it didn't. Major multiple GPF. And everything that is beta is AYOR, of course. Beta!? I'd rather call it "ExperiMental"! Arjan -- Emoticons withheld. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Exporting
On 22-09-2000, 21:25:58 +0200, Peter Steiner wrote: [Exporting all messages into 1 big mailbox file] For regaining your folder structure you will need a very advanced filtering system... ;-) You could keep a copy of the Account.srx file with the mailbox file and when you want to re-import the messages into a new account overwrite the Account.srx of that account with the preserved copy. That doesn't bring back the former folder structure but at least gives you the opportunity to build a new one using the old filtering system. Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Exporting
On 22-09-2000, 18:50:27 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: If multiple folders were exported at the same time, the messages would get mixed up into one mail box. So when you go to import, they would all be in the same folder. Just import them into the Inbox and re-filter. Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Using an external editor with The Bat! (Was: Re: The Bat Interface)
On 21-09-2000, 11:14:59 +0100, Graham wrote: Heres a serious suggestion about The Editor. Couldn't future 1.4x versions of TB allow an external text editor to be used if required. Can be done already. Actually it is quite easy. What you need is a keyboard macro program that has the ability to start an external program (like the ASCII text editor of your choice) and switch windows (Keyboard Express 2000, http://www.keyboardexpress.com fits my needs perfectly). All you will have to do is run it and teach it how to copy/paste text between the TB editor and your preferred text editor. To make it even easier for you, here is the Keyboard Express output of the particular macro hotkeys I use to 1) hand over the message editing to my favourite editor TextPad and 2) copy it back to TB. (It is possible to copy/paste the "Text:" information from this message into the KE macro editor window (just treat it as a single line), however you'll probably need to do quite some adjusting and fine-tuning in order to make it work on your system.) 1) Hot Key: Ctrl+Alt+Right Arrow Name: ToText Window: Edit Mail Message, Top Most Only Text: CTRLaCTRLcALTSPACEnDELAY:00.50LAUNCHYES:00TextpadLAUNCH:C:\PROGRA~1\TEXTPAD\TXTPAD32.EXEALTSPACEmCTRLvCTRLENDENTER 2) Hot Key: Ctrl+Alt+Left Arrow Name: ToBat Window: TextPad, Top Most Only Text: CTRLaCTRLcALTSPACEnDELAY:00.50ACTIVATE:Edit Mail MessageALTSPACEmCTRLvCTRLHOME And here is a short explanation of what it all means: 1) - Hot Key: Ctrl+Alt+Right Arrow Keyboard shortcut to invoke macro. - Name: ToText Handle of macro - Window: Edit Mail Message, Top Most Only Only process macro if TB Editor Window is active and on top. - Text: CTRLaCTRLc Mark All and Copy to clipboard ALTSPACEn Minimize TB Editor Window DELAY:00.50 Take a short break LAUNCHYES:00TextpadLAUNCH:C:\PROGRA~1\TEXTPAD\TXTPAD32.EXE If TextPad is already active, switch to it, otherwise start it. ALTSPACEm Maximize TextPad window CTRLvCTRLENDENTER Paste text and put cursor at the bottom 2) - Hot Key: Ctrl+Alt+Left Arrow - Name: ToBat - Window: TextPad, Top Most Only - Text: CTRLaCTRLc Mark All and Copy to clipboard ALTSPACEn Minimize TextPad Window DELAY:00.50 Take a short break ACTIVATE:Edit Mail Message Reactivate TB Editor window ALTSPACEm Maximize TB Editor window CTRLvCTRLHOMEPaste text and put cursor at top Basically that's it (I won't bother you with the other clever shortcuts I've programmed in KE to make my live with the bat out of hell a little bit easier). HTH Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: buying the Bat on the last day...
On 21-09-2000, 00:00:01 +0700, tracer wrote: I would want to suggest that if someone forks the actual money out you also send him a 10 day extension to the bat so that at least his email stays working... And how... By e-mail? Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using an external editor with The Bat! (Was: Re: The Bat Interface)
On 21-09-2000, 21:56:03 +0100, Graham wrote: I'll look into Keyboard Express, but I really wanted something that would allow me to use an external program as an editor, but acted like it was part of the Bat. Well uhm... Why not consider it a plug-in, just like those PGP dll's? ;-) Without my having to use macros. Once KE is up and running you won't notice its presence anymore. It just resides in memory and allows you to use the shortcuts as if they were an accessory of The Bat. But I will look into it! I forgot to mention that KE, like TB, is trialware. You can use it for 30 day before having to pay. So if you don't like it or don't want to pay for it you may want to take a look at winfiles.com or nonags.com for a free alternative. Arjan (not in any way affiliated with Insight Software Solutions) -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The ol' catch-22 caught me!
On Thursday, August 31, 2000 18:31:57, Nick Danger wrote: Here's the BIG problem. It crashed without deleting the file from the server since it never got that far along. I'm set up to check mail on start up. So it starts up checks, crashes. I have about 5-7 seconds in which to work. I'm mousing and keyboard like an addict looking for a fix trying to get in and delete that filter before the crash. As I was getting closer and closer (practice makes perfect) with each try I was finally able to disable the darn thing on the fifth attempt. Here's an easier solution: - Start Windows Explorer and open C:\...\TheBat_dir\Account_dir - Rename Account.srx to Account.srk - Start The Bat! and disable "Check mail at startup". - Close The Bat! - Rename Account.srk to Account.srx - Start The Bat! and remove the annoying filter. Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The ol' catch-22 caught me! (add)
On Thursday, August 31, 2000 21:24:04, I wrote: - Start Windows Explorer and open C:\...\TheBat_dir\Account_dir Oops! That should have been: C:\...\TheBat_dir\Mail\Account_dir. Arjan -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: exporting to unix mailbox
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:29:43 +0200, Peter Steiner wrote:
I never had these problems. There were other problems with exports and
imports, but the ones i know of are fixed in the latest stable release
1.45 (and there were some improvements. you can now export with the
Save As dialog). I see you are using 1.44; perhaps you could try
upgrading to 1.45?
The Unix mailbox import bug still hasn't been fixed satisfactorily in
The Bat! 1.45 (and 1.46b3). Earlier versions used to trip over _any_
line in the message body starting with "from " or "From ", assuming it
to be the begin of a new message. This behaviour has improved insofar
it now only gets caught on lines starting with "From ".
Or you could inspect the huge file. Is every message separated from
the next one with an empty line followed by a line starting with
"From"?
That's only partly correct. The exact syntax of the separator line
should be like this:
|From account@domain Sat Aug 26 17:48:01 2000
(excluding "|")
... or, as a PCRE compatible RE:
|^From[ ].+@.+[ ]+[A-Za-z]{3}[ ]+[A-Za-z]{3}[ ]+[0-9]{2}[
|]+[0-9]{2}\:[0-9]{2}\:[0-9]{2}[ ]+[12][0-9]{3}$
(excluding "|")
Arjan
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