Resizeable Quick Templates Window.
Hi TBUDL, I have a minor enhancement request which I want to announce here to see if it is something that other TB! users would find useful or if I'm living in my own little world again. :) I have always found the Quick Templates window (SHIFT-CTRL-Q) to be a bit too small for my liking. It's a fixed sized window (ie: it cannot be resized) and I always have to scroll the templates list both horizontally and vertically to see all the information. All I'd like to do is to be able to resize the master window to a size of my liking. I can do this with the connection centre window and with the message despatcher window so really I imagine it's probably not too tough a thing to alter to make the Quick Templates window resizeable, especially when the template edit window is resizeable too. So, would this change be of interest to anyone else on TBUDL and if so, what is now the best mechanism for me to pass that request on to Stefan/Max/Ritlabs? (I've not paid much attention to this list over the past year due to preoccupation with my work, I'm not sure if things have changed or not.) Best Wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5 1 2600 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Resizeable Quick Templates Window.
Hi Allie, Regarding your message dated: 14 December 2002... ACM Make a feature request. ACM Go via the TBUDL info URL in the list footer of all messages from ACM this list. Thanks for the info. I've done as suggested and the feature request is logged as item number 0001125 on the bug/feature tracker system. Best Wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5 1 2600 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Big review of TB! in UK PC-PRO magaine...
Hi Everyone, Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but I couldn't find anything in my archives of the mailing list. I've just finished flicking through a local copy of PC-PRO magazine (a UK newstand IT magzine) and was pleasantly surprised to see TB! reviewed in some depth and with favourable consequence. The details of the publication are as follows for those interested in seeking it out... PC-PRO magazine, June 2002 Issue. Real World Computing: Online Section. Pages 217-219. Since Marck Pearlstone is mentioned in the article I'm assuming he and possibly some others would already know about this but in case anyone else doesn't, it makes a change to see an in-depth coverage of an email client other than Outlook. Best Wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.60 Windows XP 5 1 2600 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Add to junk list
Jon, Regarding your message dated: 02 April 2002... JL Is there anyway to rapidly add junk mail to a Trash list? JL It seems like the process is currently quite laborious, unless I am JL missing something. I open the Filters screen and modify my Spam list. JL But I have to copy and paste the email address etc. JL Is there a quicker way? Or can you somehow right mouse click the email JL and choose Add to Spam Filter or something like that? A quick and crazy idea which provides something similar to what you ask is prompted by something I read on either TBUDL/TBBETA in the past day or so regarding Spam filtering. Create a separate address book called something along the lines of Spam Directory then create a Spam filter which matches @ and checks that the sender is in the address book to filter the mail to a junk/trash folder. Then, adding a new user should be as simple as right clicking on an offending email and selecting Specials/Add Sender to Address Book (Ctrl-W) which is as close as I can get to the correct answer. Note also that having not tried this myself, you may need to create a separate SPAM group in your main address book rather than a separate SPAM address book in case the filters only work from the default address book... and this may mean that your auto-complete functionality is affected by all the spurious extra address entries. Anyway, that's my suggestion in the 30 seconds I had available. I look forward to hearing the exact and correct answer from Carol Vorderman shortly Best Wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.60 Windows XP 5 1 2600 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crazy Idea? XP Mail Notification...
Hi TBUDL, I have a (possibly) daft idea I'd like some advice/help on if possible or at the very least a response that what I'm thinking of just isn't possible in TB!. If one runs Win XP and uses the Welcome Screen as the Logon mechanism (rather than the NT/2000 classic ctrl-alt-del logon box) then it's possible to have extra information listed against each user's account icon - principally the number of programs currently running under each ID and the number of unread email messages in their MSN/Hotmail accounts - should they have one. This is possible because (according to Microsoft's info) both Outlook/Express and Messenger are capable or checking that mail and then updating the registry key stored at... HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/UnreadMail I was wondering if there was a way to get TB! to report the number of new mail messages (ie: unread messages) to (say) a shell/batch script of some kind that could then update the registry key indicated. I don't use hotmail but I have several accounts, from all of which the mail gets congregated into one set of folders under TB! This would mean that if I could get a single notification out of TB! I could probably do something with the XP registry. I've looked into the helpfiles under the command line options but not found anything really meaningful. Is there any obscure feature that might help me hidden away somewhere? As usual, any and all help would be appreciated. Best Wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.54/10 Windows NT 5 1 2600 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Of Interest? - TB! Reviewed...
Hi TBUDL, Couldn't see mention of this recently in the list so I hope I'm not repeating anyone else but my apologies if I am - I've been unable to monitor the list too closely recently. Anyway, the point is that The Bat! 1.53 is reviewed in the UK's .net magazine (a print publication where .net means the net in general and not the more recent Microsoft project.) and is given a pretty fair assessment with a satisfyingly good score as well. The review is in the January 2002 issue (yep - you read that right, where do these dates come from?) on page 112. Best Wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.54/10 Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 2 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Noticable Folder Slowdown.
Jamie, Regarding your message dated: 13 June 2001... JD I think I may be getting close to the limits of either the bat or JD my machine for messages in a folder. On a PIII 500 with 192MB of JD ram a folder with 1 messages each of about 4K takes 45 seconds JD to open. I've tried the usual purge and compress and saved 8MB (on JD a 350MB mailbase (total)). Even folder with only a few thousand JD messages are starting to slowdown noticeably. JD I know it's been mentioned before but no ones ever had a proper JD answer. What is the feasible (not theoretical) limit at which I'm JD going to have to start splitting the folders up? JD I don't think 1 messages in a folder is too much to ask for as JD I've seen other mail systems deal with much larger volumes quite JD happily. Too offer my perspective on your observation, I have tended to find the versions of TB! that have been released since the 1.4x series to be a lot quicker at folder access. I have around 67,000 messages in the account as a whole with my largest folder accounting for just over 20,000 of those. The whole account message base has a file size of 451MB and when I access the biggest folder it takes an average of 7 seconds to display the contents. My PC has similar hardware to you (PIII 550) but with more memory so maybe that helps some. Most of my folders (those with 6000 messages or less) tend to be accessible in just 2-3 seconds or less. Mostly, the access seems instantaneous for any folder with 2000 messages in. I could probably do some good by purging and compressing myself (haven't done that in a while) but overall I'd say TB! was coping admirably. I don't know if any of the above is helpful but it should provide a counter view perhaps. All the best, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.53 Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 2 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
IMAP4 over SSL ...
Hi TBUDL, On the 25th June our computing support are closing all external email access services except IMAP4 over SSL. Unfortunately, I am almost exclusively working from home and thus pickup my mail on my home machine using TB!. Currently, I have TB! setup to grab my mail off the server using IMAP on port 143 but when the 25th comes I am expecting that this will no longer work. I cannot see any current support for SSL in TB! and the only mention of support I could find in my archive of TBUDL was dated 4th June, 2000 (Subject = secure POP3) and this reveals little of use to me. Is there a solution that would allow me to pick up my email from the departmental server using the required IMAP over SSL protocol and have it arrive in TB!? Due to an aggressive anti-WinPC support policy from the computing support department I can expect no help or leeway from that arena and their UNIX network is locked down tightly so I cannot put any new software on there. However, I have flexibility at my end with my Windows 2000 box to run which ever services/applications that might solve my problem. I already have an email server on my own machine that is used primarily for outgoing SMTP and for running a cheap POP/IMAP server for the machines in this building (it has no MX registration in the outside world) so if there were some type of software that could be programmed to fetch my mail periodically from the departmental server using SSL IMAP it could forward it to the local mail server which TB! has access to. Any ideas or suggestions are welcomed. My initial investigations have revealed tools such as stunnel and delegate but either they are not appropriate or I have not properly understood how I should use them... I am not too familiar with Unix derived products although I could compently follow instructions if they were clear enough... probably! I really don't see changing my email client as an option because I am very heavily dependent upon the TB! setup I have with extensive use of filters and templates but this is the only advice our computing support are offering. My utmost thanks in advance. Best Wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.52 Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 2 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: IMAP4 over SSL ...
Michal,
Regarding your message dated: 10 June 2001...
MK Yes there is. A bit uncomfortable but possible. You have to grab programm
MK called stunnel (it's a tcpwrapper service) from http://www.stunnel.org (as
MK you've noticed) and lunch it as below:
MK stunnel-3.14.exe -c -d 993 -r xxx.yyy.xxx.yyy:993
MK where xxx.yyy.xxx.yyy is your IMAP server IP number.
Aaahhh-h! I had already had a peek at 'stunnel' but had drawn a
blank on how to get it to work which was why I suggested it may not be
the right tool. The online docs. seem to imply I could use IMAP4S
or IMAPS for the port number bit. However, that does not work and
being a dunce I did not think I could substitute a *real* number in
its place!
MK Then, change your IMAP port in TB! to 993 and your imap server name to
MK localhost.
Yes! I am now downloading my mail via IMAP over SSL from TB! Great!
MK You have to lunch stunnel before downloading mail via secure imap protocol.
I ran this from a command prompt and this command runs in the
foreground, spitting out logging information of the form...
LOG5[944:1752]: postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk.993 connected from 127.0.0.1:2916
LOG5[944:1752]: Connection closed: 478 bytes sent to SSL, 7058 bytes sent to socket
My next task is to think of a way to run this as a service (ideally)
with the log-info that goes to the command window (STDOUT is the
correct terminology I think) being redirected to a file. I remember
in NT4 days there was a tool called SRVANY ('Service Any' perhaps)
or similar so I'll start by looking there. If anyone else has a
better idea (for Win2K) I'd be happy to hear.
For now though, a big Thank You to Michal. Even if I don't progress
from this position, I can now continue to receive my mail after June
25th and therefore continue to work so many many thanks.
Best Wishes,
Mark.
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Re[4]: IMAP4 over SSL ...
Tim, Regarding your message dated: 10 June 2001... TM I have also tried to make things run as a service under the M$ OS TM (NT or W2k) and found a similar tool, but never found a tool that TM would allow me to pass parameters! If you find one (I think the TM tool you referred to is from the Resource Kit), please let us TM know. I can't get hold of SRVANY, if it is indeed available at all for Windows 2000, at the moment but I did try the product recommended by Peter, namely; http://www.basta.com/ProdAppToService.htm This does allow the passing of command line parameters so it may do the job for you. If I find an alternative that also does this I'll post the details here as you asked. (Thanks to Peter for the recommendation by the way.) Best Wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.52f Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 2 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New Browser window (shift double-click)
Dave, Regarding your message dated: 23 February 2001... DB I'm a relatively new user of TB v1.49. Here's my problem; when opening a URL DB from within TB I'd like to force it into a new browser window, assuming the DB browser is already running. I understand that shift-double-clicking a URL DB should do that, but it doesn't work for me. I'm using Netscape 4.76 as my DB default browser. I had the same problem with TB 1.47 as well. I notice that the shift-click to open a link in a new window works for links highlighted in plain-text emails but not for those in HTML mails that are read using the HTML Auto View option switched on. I assume this is due to RIT not programming the HTML rendered in TB! to do this function although they obviously added the function to the plain-text interface. Best wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.48f Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 1 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Epilepsy and computer programs
Marco, Regarding your message dated: 05 October 2000... MQ Actually, what peeks my curiousity is what is it about the TB! MQ interface that sparks this reaction that neither Calypso nor Becky MQ have. Guess I'll have to download those two and look at 'em. :-) I see an ad. campaign coming shortly... The Bat! - activates parts of the brain other email clients cannot reach. ... unless of course that idea has already been taken?! Cheers, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46d Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 1 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: NTFS defragging (was: Slow changing folders)
Marco, Regarding your message dated: 29 September 2000... MQ I don't think that OODefrag actually uses one, or if it does it's MQ not configurable, unlike, say, the one used by Norton's Speeddisk. If you investigate the various OO defrag options, you can choose to defrag the system by filename, date and so on. If you read the help file you'll discover which scheme is most appropriate depending upon the main function of the machine being defragmented. Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46d Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 1 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NTFS defragging (was: Slow changing folders)
Karin, Regarding your message dated: 24 September 2000... Using NTFS here, but it seems that Microsoft's old claims of it being non-fraggable are untrue :) No - NTFS as implemented in Windows NT does fragment because (as far as I understand it) it uses quite a large default cluster size on the disk which means that very soon files are forced to fragment and the only way to recover is to defragment. It's particularly the MFT that creates the most 'fragmenting' trouble so whatever you do you need a defragmenter that will do the MFT as well. KS How do you defrag NTFS disks? Do you use DiskKeeper? DiskKeeper works but it doesn't impress me much. I've settled upon "OO DeFrag" which is very nice. It has nice configurable abilities to allow a 'quick defrag' now or a 'get down and dirty and do it really well even if it takes allnight to optimise things perfectly' approach. The scheduling is another well implemented feature and it can defrag the pagefile and registry by default too on a reboot. You can also get "OO DefragMFT" which is a free little extra for doing the MFT by itself - it can take a while on a dirty disc but it really is worth it. OO Software is available from... http://www.oosoft.de/index-e.html (this is the link to the English site - the default is German if you remove the webpage reference but since I and this list are meant to speak English first and foremost...) As a point of interest... I believe that Win2K installs on an NTFS cluster size of 4K by default so this should help prevent the same type of problem occurring quite so readily - hooray for all users of Win2K! Best Wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ --------- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Security/password restricted access to The Bat
Karin, Regarding your message dated: 23 September 2000... KS Joan, you might want to look into this (copied from TB's KS help file): KS With The Bat!, you can 'lock' your account with a password KS so nobody can read your mail without your permission Here's a generic question regarding the encryption used by TB! here. I have two TB! setups; one on a work machine and one at home. I don't currently have a password set to access my accounts under TB! and therefore my 'MESSAGES.TBB' files are unencrypted. If I set a password and had those files encrypted and furthermore if I set the same password on both the home and work machines would I still be able to copy a "MESSAGES.TBB" file from one machine to the other and thereafter have TB! read the contents? I occasionally copy folders between setups currently and I wonder if the encryption system might not disable that possibility for me. Best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46d Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 1 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ ----- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Security/password restricted access to The Bat
Karin, Regarding your message dated: 23 September 2000... KS But that answers Mark Harding's question: yes, you can use KS any wich password on either computer and _still_ transfer KS mailboxes from one computer to the other. Apparantly, you KS don't even need to use the same password on both computers. Indeed it does. Many thanks for that since it means I'd feel happy about using the password feature if I ever felt I needed that portion of the security options available... although I fully appreciate the limitations such 'security' protections entail. Best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46d Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 1 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Scanning for Duplicate Emails - A 'proper' TBUDL discussion! :)
net5zero, Regarding your message dated: 21 September 2000... nnn How do you integrate the messages *without* overwriting ? Well, although I haven't tested this yet, one thought I had was to make a temporary 'dummy' folder on one account and then copy the messages file from the 'proper' folder on machine 1 to the dummy folder on machine 2. I could then simply 'move' all the messages into the 'proper' folder on machine 2 from within TB! and then do the 'kill dupes' operation discussed the other day. Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.47 Beta/2 Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 1 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Keyboard Shortcut... (Ctrl+=)...
Hi TBUDL, I've been using the option from the 'View' menu... Display - Only Unread Messages ... recently when new mails have appeared but due to weird dates end up buried way down a message list. I select this option via the mouse and the menus but I'd like to be able to speed things up by keyboard-shortcutting it. I notice that only the 'Display all messages' option has a keyboard shortcut listed and that is "Ctrl + =". Is there a keyboard shortcut for displaying only unread messaages because I prefer to only switch to this mode for a short time to allow me to quickly find the new messsages before I switch back. Therefore, a shortcut key would be the ideal thing. I have already checked the list held at... http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/shortcut.eng ... but I didn't see anything obvious. Thanks and best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.47 Beta/2 Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 1 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ ----- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Need to create a filter to shut down TB!...
Hi TBUDL, I have the need to create a filter that will shutdown TB! when it receives an email containing some specific trigger such as... "Mark says shut TB! down now!" The reason I want to do this is because I have two TB! setups; one at work in the office (T1 connection) and one at home (dial-up connection). I have set up the work connection to offload messages from the mail server but the home account is set up to leave messages on the server. This way, all my mail eventually ends up in the one archive held on the work machine. Unfortunately, occasionally I forget to shutdown TB! when I leave work and this means that I cannot check my mail again until I return to the office in which time, if I am out for an extended period, something important may come up which I won't be able to see or respond to. Thus, I thought it would be useful if I created a filter that closed down TB! upon receipt of a trigger email. I could then issue such an email from home, have TB! at work close down and be able to check all subsequent emails until I next return to the office. Could anyone offer me some advice on the most sensible route to doing this please? Having seen nothing appropriate in the filter's 'actions' list I have a few ideas involving invoking an external program that performs some kind of remote kill but I think that won't produce a pleasant effect. If an 'internal' solution existed I'd think I'd prefer that. Best wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ ----- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
Marck, Regarding your message dated: 17 September 2000... Does that mean that there's now room for 'Elvis' to make a comeback? Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Need to create a filter to shut down TB!...
Januk, Regarding your message dated: 17 September 2000... JA I don't think there is an internal way to do this exactly, but you JA might try the following. JA Create a two line batch file like the following. JA ---Begin Batch file--- JA C:\"Program Files"\"The Bat!"\thebat.exe /NoLogo [EMAIL PROTECTED];S="I'm Shutting Down";Send JA C:\"Program Files"\"The Bat!"\thebat.exe /NoLogo /exit JA ---End Batch file--- JA Now run this from a filter. Just be careful not to create an infinite JA loop as I did while testing the above. sigh It also appears that JA you really do need the first command to give TB enough time before JA shutting down. I'm not sure why a batch file with only the second JA line doesn't work when called from a script. Thanks for this - that was a great idea and seems to do what I want. Being ever the experimentalist, I put the following into a filter simply to see if I could avoid the batch file and do the shutdown from TB! itself... External Program Call from Sorting Office: "c:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /NOLOGO /exit I then sent myself an email that would trigger the filter (pardon me if I don't reveal the specifics but it could be abused in a most irritating yet surely *so amusing* way if I did, yes?!) and waited. After a few moments TB! did a mail-check, found the message, issued the command and shutdown. Brilliant! I wouldn't have thought of issuing another TB! instance with the "/exit" flag as a way of closing the current TB! instance so that's pretty top thinking on your part - cheers! Now, let's create a template of my shutdown message and copy the file to home before I forget what I did this for! Thanks again and best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ --------- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Need to create a filter to shut down TB!...
Januk, Regarding your message dated: 17 September 2000... JA That's interesting. I had originally tried it this way too, and it JA didn't work. Maybe it is because I have Local delivery enabled. I have local delivery enabled too - but I sent the trigger email from Pine running on a unix box thus avoiding the problem, without really doing it for that reason intentionally. JA What about putting some sort of code in your template and filter so JA that only you can send the shutdown request? A good idea although it might require a bit of thought on my part since I've not done that before with TB! JA You can do quite a bit with TB command line parameters. With the use JA of external templates, batch files and the Task Scheduler, I was able to JA send myself (and others) all sorts of messages and reminders when I JA was at work. :) Yes - that sounds much like what I set up a few years ago under the work's unix box for myself. Reminder emails (Birthday's etc) plus one-off events, command executions and so on through some small apps I wrote that co-ordinate their activities through unix's cron daemon which I found to be more flexible than the Task Scheduler which was quite developmental (in feel at least) back then. TB! certainly does seem to be very capable as a commandline 'scriptable' app. though so if I end up PC bound at any point I'll have confidence that I can recreate the same functionality I already have elsewhere. Now, let's create a template of my shutdown message and copy the file to home before I forget what I did this for! JA Now just remember, don't send it to yourself by e-mail. That would JA produce some truly irritating and funny results. :) Good tip - I'll heed that one I think. Best wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Need to create a filter to shut down TB!...
Januk, Regarding your message dated: 17 September 2000... JA Just have your shutdown request message take the form: JA Subject: Mark Says Exit JA Body: Password: 102030405 JA Then make the main rule of the filter look like: JA StringLocation Presence JA Mark Says ExitSubject Yes JA Password: 102030405 Text Yes JA Mark Sender Yes JA The password would help reduce the chance that some other Mark could JA send you a message with the word exit in the subject and trigger your JA filter. Aha! I was jumping in too deeply then by thinking about trying to implement something which contained some extra security to perhaps hide the password or similar. I haven't a clue how I'd do that right now by the way! (And I'm tired - all together now...) Yep, the above set of rules would be the way to go to avoid irritating mistakes. Thanks for explaining/expanding on the original point. Best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Steve Lamb has left the building
A., Regarding your message dated: 18 September 2000... ACM It's a ban on both. Just out of interest - I assume that any ban is made against the subscriber's email address and therefore there would be little to stop a banned individual from re-subscribing under another alias thanks to the anonymity the net provides. Naturally, if someone were to do this then either they would need to modify their behaviour to avoid an equally quick second departure which might be to the benefit of the list (or not?) but I guess what I am asking is that if someone really wants on to the list there's probably little that can be done to prevent it. My only thought against the above would be if a ban were also placed on specific IP addresses if the banned party were known to have static addresses that identified them uniquely and even then it wouldn't be too hard to circumvent. I suppose one has to just trust that the party that has been removed from the group list 'honours' that ban and does not attempt to gain entry by other means. Just thinking aloud given the immediate 'candid' responses in case anyone might have considered 'talking ill of the dead' so to speak... Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Scanning for Duplicate Emails - A 'proper' TBUDL discussion! :)
Hi TBUDL, Here's another question, the answer to which might solve a little outstanding task I want to do sometime... As I have mentioned before, I have two TB installs (work and home) with the work install being my permanent archive of mails sent to my major accounts. I'd like to take my work archive home to let have the full history of emails in both locations and I can effect the transfer by various methods. However, if I do so, I'll end up with numerous messages duplicated because I may have downloaded them at home (using 'leave-on-server') before finally collecting them and offloading them at work later. I don't want to just 'overwrite' the home account because I also integrate email from some other accounts that I don't check from work and I don;t want to lose those messages obviously. Therefore, what would be ideal is if I could integrate the messages from both setups into one tree (*easy*) and then perform a 'search for duplicate emails' so that I could then delete all my duplicates leaving me with a nice ordely, historically complete archive at home. Any ideas - and please don't tell me if TB! has a "search for dupicates" function that I've not seen - well, okay but tell me in a nice way to reduce my potential 'stupidity-tax' embarrassment. Thanks in advance. Best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ ----- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Scanning for Duplicate Emails - A 'proper' TBUDL discussion! :)
Januk, Regarding your message dated: 18 September 2000... Any ideas - and please don't tell me if TB! has a "search for dupicates" function that I've not seen - well, okay but tell me in a nice way to reduce my potential 'stupidity-tax' embarrassment. JA nudge JA Folder - Kill Dupes or Folder - Kill Dupes in All Folders JA /nudge JA :) Okay - I'm duly taxed! :) (nudged into embarrassment!) I have a further question since I imagine that this function simply deletes the messages without showing you a list of what will be deleted first. (I guess I might be asked to confirm that I really want to delete duplicate emails but I'd like to see what disappears of possible.) I don;t want to risk a test run in case it does something unexpected. Has anyone used this function such that they can report success/failures and also, what criteria will the "Kill Dupes" use to identify duplicate emails? The last question I ask because when I integrate the two message-bases into one, the messages collected from Work will display a different 'received date' than the home collected messages. Will this matter? I did look in the help file for all this but I'm not seeing anything returned for "Dupes", duplicates or similar... Thanks again... Best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ --------- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Scanning for Duplicate Emails - A 'proper' TBUDL discussion! :)
Januk, Regarding your message dated: 18 September 2000... JA Snip intro to Kill Dupe function JA Unless you're like me and put your folders elsewhere. They are elsewhere, but I can cope with such hardships! JA Kill Dupes uses the message IDs. So two messages in one folder with JA the same message IDs are considered to be duplicates. This may or may JA not be a good assumption, so you are wise in taking some precautions, JA especially if it is critical mail. Excellent. That sounds like exactly the feature I need. It's almost as if those RIT guys predicted what an email-mess I might get myself into - what kindly souls they are... Anyway, thanks Januk for another good solution to one of my questions. Best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Final home for TB FAQ
Marck, Regarding your message dated: 18 September 2000... MDP There has been a final adjustment to the address of the FAQ. You MDP should now be able to access it on: MDP http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html Have you ever considered getting a 'redirection' URL for any of the online TB! resources - specifically here the FAQ mentioned above - because then even when the physical location moves the 'front-end' address accessed by the users can remain the same. (So long as somebody points it in the right direction again.) I use such a url for my website and it is provided for free by 'ipfox'. Unlike many such services, ipfox do not use irritate with any kind of advertising based addition - it simply maps the URL request to the true location - you can demo this by using my url (in the sig) as a comparator if you like. Also, it offers the potential for a nice short URL since it makes the id-tag part of the ipfox domain rather than a virtual page within. i.e http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ ... rather than ... http://www.ipfox.com/just4fun/ Also, I have never received any email from ipfox (other than the account setup confirmation) and I have not received spam or other nuisances as a result either. All in all pretty good and I'd imagine that you could still get 'thebat.ipfox.com' or 'batfaq' or 'thebatfaq' or something neat and relevant. It's just a thought - hopefully not an offensive one. Best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New user, lotsa questions
A., Regarding your message dated: 17 September 2000... ACM I personally do like the free caret interface myself. Also, for me, ACM TB!'s editor took some time to get accustomed to. It was a period of ACM adjustment and giving and taking. The end result has been that the ACM shortcomings for me do not exceed the good points. If TB! were to ACM support an external editor, I would still use this one. I would agree with this myself. I took a while to learn the differences between the Windows standard editor functionality and TB!'s functionality but the free caret interface is something I find I take advantage of regularly simply because it allows me to easily lay out my text in a clearer and more 'creative' way. What does perplex me still is how exactly the tab key works. My usual experience from both Windows and Unix editors is that the tab key indents the cursor position (either by a control-character or by inserting extra white space as required) to the next 'tab-stop' which is normally defined as a regular series of positions along the text line - say ever 4,8,16 or however many characters. In TB!, I find the behaviour of the tab key to be almost random. Sometimes I'll get a desired effect - othertimes the tab key will jump the cursor to about 5 characters from the end of the line leaving a gap of about 60% page width. If anyone here has the wisdom or knowledge (or both?!) to explain what is going on, I'm a perplexed person waiting for enlightenment... :) Best wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: New user, lotsa questions
Steve, Regarding your message dated: 17 September 2000... SL That is the Microsoft standard, not /A/ standard. There is a big SL difference. AFAIK the CUA (a standard) defines what keystrokes do, not editor SL behavior. There is a difference. True enough but given that TB! runs under Windows exclusively (unless I really missing something...) then I think it is fair to assume that the Windows Keystroke standard is an acceptable common standard that everyone already knows... it may not be a pleasant fact but I'm sure it's true. For curiosity's sake, I just looked at the options available in TextPad which is my preferred Windows editor for all my other text manipulation tasks. Textpad offers the following choices... TextPad Brief IBM Personal Editor Microsoft Applications Textpad 2 Wordstar I would assume that the target to hit to make the most users happy is the 4th one - the Microsoft Applications - given that it covers the most bases on a Windows platform. I don't know if any of the above approach the CUA standard you mentioned but I recall from the days I had to edit files under unix on a regular basis that I really disliked the emacs based editors because the keystrokes required were completely alien to me. Yes, I know that emacs can adopt Windows like functionality and that it probably is the most ultra-extensible editor in the world but I ended up using either nEdit for its Windows-like keystroke compatibility or vim if the job was quick and simple. I guess we'll not get anywhere without an editor that suits our own preferences but for the majority of windows users that does mean 'what they already know' and TB! isn't that. If they don't have the time/inclination to learn then they'll pass it over. I'm glad I invested the time to learn the editor - it's a benfit to me but maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones... Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Saving old mail?
Ming-Li, Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000... (1) If I do that, is it possible to save only the message file and not the index file? If I then try to read the message file by itself, will it work without the index? ML Yes, TB would recreate the index. ML ...snip... ML Also remember to compress the folder before doing that, otherwise ML all deleted messages would be "undeleted". I'd like to add one 'major' consideration to this point. As Ming-Li noted, previously deleted messages may reappear if the folder was not compressed before the index file was deleted. The big warning here is that the 'Outbox' folder under TB is not set by default to automatically compress and purge. Normally, I have all my folders set to 'compress and purge' when TB exits - it adds about 30 seconds to the programs close but it does keep my folders nice and tidy. That means I don't manually need to ask TB to perform purge and compress myself. However, I had omitted to change the properties of the Outbox folder when I set the purge and compress option on my other folders. The result?... When the index file for my Outbox folder was deleted/lost/corrupted (still not sure exactly what happened to it) TB happily recreated it. Unfortunately, to my great embarrassment, that meant recreating about 30 messages which I'd already sent... and because they were then sitting in the outbox TB happily resent them! Regular readers here may recall that one such message was one I'd already sent to TBUDL by mistake so I ended up having to apologise twice for the same mistake. Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my Outbox now... just in case. :) I believe horses have a relevant expression regarding stable doors and bolting... Best Wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46 Beta/5 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ ----- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Saving old mail?
Thomas, Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000... MRH I believe horses have a relevant expression regarding stable doors and MRH bolting... TF This must be an English expression... The proper expression is... "That's like bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted." Which loosely means that preventative measures are kind of wasted if you wait until after the problem occurs before implementing them. It's normally spoken in a nice sneering sarcastic sort of tone... :) Best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46 Beta/5 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ ----- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Saving old mail?
Ming-Li, Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000... ML On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 6:50:50 AM, Mark wrote: Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my Outbox now... just in case. :) ML By "purge/compress" flag do you mean both the "Remove old messages" ML and "Compress the folder" checkboxes or just the latter? Well, the truth is that I have both boxes ticked for most folders including the Outbox. However, by purge/compress I probably really only refer to the latter as the necessity to rid the folder database file of unwanted (previously sent) messages. I rarely use the time-out or number-out options of "Keep nn messages" or "Keep messages for nn days" except for a few mail-list folders where I generally create a separate archive folder and only keep the last 20 days or so of messages in the 'current' folder... this just keeps things brisk (ito response time) when accessing folders such as my folders for TBUDL where normally I only need to reference the most recent messages for following recent threads and posting replies. Only occasionally do I need to dig up some hint of info posted 12 months ago which means a trip to the archive folder instead. I suppose I could just selectively pick what to keep but I don't always have time to read all threads every day (and hence ctrl-m gets a liberal use) but whilst disk-space is not an issue having the entire history of threads since I subscribed plus a reasonable use of the search tool I can generally dig up my own answers... ML I check only the latter, which would physically remove deleted ML (including sent) messages. I'm not sure about the former. I know ML it would purge old messages according to certain conditions (keep ML nn messages/keep messages for nn days), but I don't know if it ML would purge unsent messages (not drafts) as well. E.g., if I set ML the Outbox to keep zero message, and auto-purge on exit, then ML would it purge my unsent messages upon exit? I just did a quick experiment with this and the answer is yes. I wrote this reply, put it in the Outbox, set Outbox prefs to keep 0 messages, exited TB. When TB restarted the message had gone. Luckily, I did ctrl-paste the text into a TextPad temporarily so I didn't have to rewrite this message ... before anyone laughs at me! Best wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46 Beta/5 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ --------- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re-Colouring a message when replying...
Hi TBUDL, I have a folder set up into which filters mail defined by a specific filter - the filter also sets the colour group of the mail to something that represents a 'pending job' when it moves it into the folder. I have also set up the folder reply template to perform specific actions and create a specific message when I hit reply on any message within this particular folder. The final thing I would like to automate if possible is to have the colour-group of the replied-to message changed from 'pending' to 'reference' when I action the reply. I know the little message icon indicates that the message has been replied to but if I can add some extra colour to this action to visually reinforce what I have done then I'd be most happy. Does anyone know if it is possible to re-colour the replied-to message when sending a reply or is this not possible with the current tool set? My thanks and best wishes in advance. Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46 Beta/5 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Re-Colouring a message when replying...
Ming-Li, Regarding your message dated: 09 September 2000... ML On Saturday, September 09, 2000, 7:26:59 AM, Mark wrote: The final thing I would like to automate if possible is to have the colour-group of the replied-to message changed from 'pending' to 'reference' when I action the reply. ML Have you tried the "Replied message" filter in the sorting office? ML It should do what you want. Yes - that was what I wanted. Thank you. An aside from this, the filter I set up to feed mail from the inbox into this specific folder is supposed to change the colour-group of the mail from default (i.e nothing) to another colour I refer to as 'pending'. However, no colour-group change occurs. Is there any known problem with the colour-group changing with filters. The 'replied message' filter I just created works perfectly. Many thanks again, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46 Beta/5 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ ----- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
Gerd, Regarding your message dated: 13 August 2000... GE I can give some details to this problem: it seemes as if it has sometimes to do GE with Mark R. Harding's msgs (Sorry, no offence, Mark). No offence taken! I have an idea though although I'm not sure how it explains the problem ... The reply you quoted from me was sent from my machine at work. Email from this machine gets routed onto the internet via the SMTP server at work which is very well run and normally extremely quick. When I work from home (dial-up), or communicate with friends who use dial-up connections and their ISP's servers I often notice that messages start running out-of-sync and my assumption from examining headers in the past is that some ISPs servers are overloaded on occasion and take a while to distribute email. I also have a free email address at 'email.com' which is setup to directly forward all email to my work account and if I mail myself (for test purposes only of course - I promise I'm not that mad!) I notice that it can regularly take a day or two to get the message back to me. (i.e. - it's hopeless and I don't use it any more.) Really, I don't know if factors such as these could be affecting how you get you mail deliveries out-of-order (logically it doesn't seem to make sense) but this does happen to a number of people I know and usually there is a 'free email' service involved somewhere along the line. GE I'm sure there are some more examples (I'm not sure, that /always/ Mark's GE message is affected), but I think this will do. Generally for me, on TBUDL/TBBETA this effect is rare (barring the other type of out-of-sync messages such as the messages recently from Starc whose emails all seem to be dated mid-June time and therefore appear way down near the bottom of the pile due to sort-by-creation-date settings.) but it does happen a lot on the only other discussion list I'm on. There the readership is more diverse in client/platform where some subscribers use PC's, some macs, some OnMail (digital TV email) and so on with a whole host of clients on each platform. With clocks not always accurate and differences in platforms adherring to standards it's a wonder any of the output is ledgible at all! For interests sake - this message is sent from home (via my server, the ISP relay and outwards...) so it'll be interesting to see whether there are problems in timing with this message too? Best wishes Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.45 S/MIME Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
Marck, Regarding your message dated: 13 August 2000... MDP In truth, time difference in seconds can't be really be relied upon. I MDP once saw someone sneering at PC clock synchronizers on this list but, MDP IMHO, such things are a necessity for clarity and to ensure that we MDP are all talking the same language. I use one which runs on the main MDP comms machine here on my LAN and knows how to get the current real MDP time from a time server. It will do this at one minute intervals while MDP I am connected to an ISP and I dial out at least every 15 minutes. MDP This software also provides time server services for the LAN and all MDP other machines here look to it for an update at around 30 minute MDP intervals. A PC clock will drift by a few seconds every day. The MDP practices I observe here mean that no PC in the house is out by more MDP than a second at any time (except in the case of prolonged dial-out MDP failure). I'd agree that a time synchroniser is pretty much essential to allow accurate clock-times to be maintained... I use "Dimension 4" which is a marvellous little piece of freeware. I discovered it when a colleague's machine lost its ability to maintain the clock-time when it was switched off (i.e. A CMOS clock problem) and by putting "Dimension 4" into the startup group the machine re-established its link with "the real world" on each boot. In case anyone is interested, "Dimension 4" is available here... http://www.accessone.com/~thinkman/dimension4/ Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.45 S/MIME Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ --------- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Filtering to other accounts...
Ming-Li, Regarding your message dated: 11 August 2000... ML Instead of "moving" mail to the main account's Inbox, set your ML filters for other accounts to "redirect" mail to the main account. ML Then enable the "Allow local delivery" option in [Options | Network ML Administration]. This way, TB would "redirect" incoming messages ML by simply moving them to the appropriate account, without sending ML them out (to the Internet) again. Since it's redirected, those ML messages would be treated as new incoming messages in the main ML account, and filtered accordingly. Aha - thanks Ming-Li. Okay - that's getting me where I want to be. I've also set the filter to 'send created mails immediately' and I've ticked the 'delete this message' box so I won't have a duplicate left in the 'secondary account's' folder. The final piece of the puzzle is to prevent the secondary account from storing a copy of the redirected message in the sent mail folder. Can this feature be switched off for the secondary account whilst remaining active for the main account? (I had a look but did not find the successful solution yet.) Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.45 S/MIME on Windows NT 4.0 (1381), Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ --------- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?
Nick, Regarding your message dated: 11 August 2000... ND ..and then you have to see all the wacky taglines such as: ND Drop YOURPANTS to send me email ND [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I've not seen it before but I'd laugh if I saw someone use this one for real... I mean, YOUR and YOU'RE may be spelt differently but just read that email address out loud and who's to know? Either that, or I'd cast aspersions towards the user's kleptomania tendancies!! On second thoughts - that's probably not such a 'pants' email address after all. Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.45 S/MIME on Windows NT 4.0 (1381), Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Filtering to other accounts...
Hi TBUDL, Apologies if this is an obvious question but... I have several different accounts set up under TB! to access various different mailboxes that I have. For several of the lesser-used accounts I have a single filter setup for each that is basically an 'incoming mail' filter that acts on the inbox, matches messages containing a 'space' character anywhere in the message and moves all matching messages (ie - all emails that come into that mailbox) into the 'inbox' of my main account that I tend to use for all my day-to-day emailing. This all works quite nicely but one additional thing that I would like to have happen is that when the mail is moved into the inbox of my main account, I'd like the main account's 'incoming mail' filters to be applied to the message as well so that the message would then be filtered into the approprite subfolder of the main account. Currently, I can get this to happen manually by selecting the inbox of the main account and using the 'refilter' messages option from the folder-list context menu. Is there a way to make the filtering/refiltering process an automatic one? Thanks in advance. Best wishes, Mark -- -- - Using TheBat! 1.45 S/MIME on Windows NT 4.0 (1381), Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Quotes macro (Was: Re: thebat! 1.46 beta)
Syafril, Regarding your message dated: 09 August 2000... TF %Quotestyle="%SETPATTREGEXP='([a-zA-Z]*)@'%REGEXPMATCH='%OFromAddr'"%Quotes TF This is the result of many people who helped me with this RegEx on TF this list (or the beta list when this macro was new?). It will take TF everything that is in front of the "@" in the email address and use TF it as the Quotestyle.] Just a thought on this ... if the 'bit before the @ sign' contains non-alpha characters (ie, numeric or punctuation) would this still work because the way I read the above would be... ([a-zA-Z]*)@ = match any sequence of lower-case or upper-case characters in the range a-z and A-Z followed by an '@' symbol. If the sequence before the '@' symbol contains numbers or punctuation would this still match? I'm not an expert on regular expressions which is why I'm questioning this... maybe in the best South Park style I'll be able to say later on... "I learnt something today." Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.45 S/MIME Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ --------- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: FreeStuff
phil, Regarding your message dated: Sunday, July 23, 2000... p Anyone know what the date on this is May 27, 2000?And why are we p advertising on this TBUDL? Hello Moderatar? Leif? Ya out there? First of all - a big apology to all of you. Extremely embarrassingly this was not an intentional post to the list and furthermore (and even more embarrassingly) the reason that the date on the message is May 27, 2000 is that I originally sent that message to the list rather than to my alternate account on that date. I did apologise to the list-group then and so I hope you'll accept that any annoyance you may have experienced could perhaps pale against the crimson colour of my skin as I have to do the same thing again... I am not sure why the message was resent although I am certain it is connected with a problem I experienced yesterday and if I haven't been rejected by everyone yet I'd like to describe it here in case anybody has some insight on it. I'm using version 1.44 of TB! on windows NT and since upgrading to this version I've noticed that every so often, when I start TB!, some of the messages in TB!'s folders contain completely blank fields in the folder-list although it is still apparent in the message if 'view-kuldges' is in effect. From following some of the topics on the lists I have found that the solution to this was to close down TB!, delete the '.tbi' files from the offending folder (I don't make use of memos - only colour highlighting and flagging so I *shouldn't* lose information here) and then restart TB! Normally, this works fine. However, when I tried this yesterday I had a new problem. Upon restarting TB!, the program went into 'overdrive' utilising 100% CPU making the machine quite unresponsive. TB! appeared to be functioning - just in a CPU intensive way. I closed down TB!, opened it again and thankfully all seemed fine. When I logged in and checked for new mail this morning though I noticed a lot of new mails that I actually sent back around the time in May with copies to myself had been resent. (This includes the message to TBUDL.) Can it be possible that TB! madly resent my messages? I hope that isn't true because I have rather a lot of messages in my 'sent-mail' folder and if all my contacts start receiving fresh copies of old mail then its not just the TBUDL list I'll be apologising to. (and this doesn't exactly give me an appearance of professionality!) Has anybody ever had this problem with The Bat? I certainly have never seen mention of such on TBUDL in over a year of listening and I'm quite shaken by the potential consequences of yesterday's problem. Finally, I do apologise once again for making what appeared as an inappropriate post to the list. I promise that it was unintentional (both times!) and I would never have wanted to be in this position now. My humblest apologies, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.44 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: FreeStuff
Marck,
Regarding your message dated: Sunday, July 23, 2000...
MDP I recommend using purge / compress once in a while and setting outbox
MDP for auto purge/compress.
MDP WOW! I just had a shock! I browsed deleted messages in my outbox ...
MDP Hundreds of them !!! I've just changed my outbox settings for purge /
MDP compress.
MDP So, by allowing TB to reconstruct the outbox index it is likely that
MDP many un-purged messages came back into existence, especially if you
MDP practiced (as in this instance) "recontructus interruptus" g.
Quite some time ago I went through and ticked the 'purge' and
'compress' flags on all my mail folders ... except the 'Outbox'
folder.
I wonder therefore if this could be the problem. I just checked the
files ('MESSAGES.tbb' and 'MESSAGES.tbi') via TextPad and found 500K
of messages in there! (Yet in TB!, my outbox is empty...)
Included in this detritus was the message that found its way back to
the list yesterday. I'm not sure why TB! resurrected the old messages
from this file when recreating the 'MESSAGES.tbi' files in a couple of
other folders but it looks as though that may have been what happened.
Anyway, I have checked this folder for purge and compress too now
(saving 500K!) so hopefully I may be protected from a repeat
performance.
It might be worthwhile considering what happened to me though if
anyone else thinks to delete a 'tbi' file. From scanning the contents
of the '.tbi' file in the Outbox folder I could be in for a rough time
if anymore of those messages were resent.
In case I don't survive this ordeal, it was nice knowing you all!
Best wishes,
Mark
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Changing the return-receipt address?
Hi TBUDL, I have used the macros... %REPLYTO="new-address" %FROM="new address" %RETURNPATH="new-address" ... in some templates for outgoing mail where I want the replies to be routed to a specific account. However, if I request a received and/or reading receipt when sending a message using the above then the receipt details in the header read something like... X-Confirm-Reading-To: old-address Return-Receipt-To: old-address Here, by old-address I probably should say that the old-address is the same as the account's default email address. I do not want to have to change the default account address merely to send one or two messages per day. Is there a macro which doesn't appear on the macro-list menu that will set this such that the receipts go to my new-address as do the replies? I'd like to be able to achieve this and would appreciate your advice. Best wishes, Mark -- -- - Using TheBat! 1.44 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ --------- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Changing path to Attached files after moving to new drive...
David, Regarding your message dated: Tuesday, July 18, 2000... DH Does anyone have a quick and dirty little program that I can use to DH update all the .tbi files to the D: drive instead of the F: drive? Or DH even some way I can get this to work? Try, if you have it, the TextPad text editor which is available from... http://www.textpad.com/ ... because this has search and replace which can use 'normal' or 'regular' expressions and is brilliant (in my opinion) when working on multiple files because you can begin by performing a 'search in files' operation to identify all the files containing such references, you can open all those files at once, search-and-replace in all those files at once, save-and-close all those files at once. (You see why I like it!) It's a shareware thing so if you've not got it already (check magazine coverdiscs too if you have those because it's such a common app. it appears on a great many - could save you a download if your connecting over a slow line...) you can easily get it, use it, dump it. Hope this helped. Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.44 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Disabling New mail sound for the Trash folder...?
Hi TBUDL, Via filtering I direct certain messages directly into the Trash folder just as I direct other messages, via other filters, into other folders. For the other folders I can change or disable the 'new-mail' sound that is player when an email is dropped directly into the folder. However, I cannot seem to disable the new-mail sound for the Trash folder - there being no appropriate menu tab on the folders properties dialog. Is there any way this can be achieved (besides filtering into another 'dummy' folder first of all) because I'd really like to switch this off. Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.44 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to backup the Filter file?
Assad, Regarding your message dated: Friday, July 07, 2000... AT Hello TBUDL, AT I have quite an elaborated set of filtering rules and I want to make a AT backup copy of it just in case. How to do that? Which file in the TB! AT directory is the filter file? The 'filter rules' file is the one in your account directory called... ACCOUNT.SRX Another file worth backing up is the file called... ACCOUNT.QTN ... which contains the definitions of all your quick-templates since this can often represent an investment of time and effort just as the mail filters do. ACCOUNT.CFG contains the config info for your account such as the names of the transport (SMTP,POP,IMAP)) settings and your general preferences for the program. I'm not sure exactly what some of the other config files are used for (ACCOUNT.FLX, ACCOUNT.M_D, ACCOUNT.M_R) and others seem self explanatory such as ACCOUNT.LOG and ACCOUNT.VCF. I hope this helps... Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.44 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Stupid hyperlink question
Tod, Regarding your message dated: Wednesday, May 31, 2000... TB So, once upon a time, I had my system setup so that when I clicked on TB a hyperlink in a message in The Bat!, it spawned a new window for that TB URL in my browser (IE 5), rather than stealing an existing window TB (that might have something important in it). It's a remarkably TB convenient feature, but I can't, for the life of me, remember how I TB did that, or where the option is. Any pointers? Hold down the shift key whilst clicking on the link. I think that's what you want... Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.44 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
FreeStuff
Hi Mark, http://www.bahlsen.co.uk/try.htm Bahlsen http://www.myfreeld.com/download.html Free Telecom offers... Cheers, Mark -- -- - Using TheBat! 1.44 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Apology. (was FreeStuff)
Hi TBUDL, I was just checking the most recent postings to this list and was aghast to see I'd sent an earlier email with the title FreeStuff to this list instead of to my normal address. I promise everyone here that it was an unintentional mistake and I apologise for sending inappropriate mail to this list, especially given that some members here pay for their connection on a per-megabyte downloaded basis or similar. I hope you'll all forgive me my earlier transgression and for adding another message here but I wanted to assure you all that it was a mistake on my part. Sorry, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.44 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
TB! Version 1.44 is available...
Hi TBUDL, I didn't get an announcement email from RIT's mailing list (yet - it could just be early) but I noticed that a new version of TB! has been released - the current version is now 1.44. In case any of you don't get the announcements (presuming one goes out) I thought you might like to know. Cheers, Mark -- -- - Using TheBat! 1.44 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! Version 1.44 is available...
Mark, Regarding your message dated: Saturday, May 27, 2000... Sorry folks - I'm not desperate to reply to my own posts but I noticed in the "What's new" text a message stating... We felt that we should release 1.44 because we should add some precaution steps against viruses jumping around the Internet nowadays... Do not download the distribution archive from the European mirror until tomorrow. The single executable, as always, on http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html I'm not sure when exactly the 'tomorrow' is meant to be - it could be the 27th since the upgrade was posted on the 26th according to the webpage but perhaps it'll just be safer to grab the download from the US mirror for the near future... Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.44 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ ----- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Sorting Office Filters - Config File?!...
Hi TBUDL, I'm using the same version of TB! at work and at home and in the quest to keep the two setups roughly equivalent I'd like to be able to ensure that all the new filters I define at work (where I use email the most) are also available at home. I noted there is a file in my TB! account directory called... ACCOUNT.SRX What I'd like to know is if this file is (as I believe) the place where the definitions of the sorting office filters are kept and if it is, is there any reason why copying this file to my home setup wouldn't transfer the filters across without problems? If this isn't the right file, is there a file or are the filter settings held elsewhere - and can I transfer them to the home setup? Ideally, I want to be able to transfer the filter settings without transferring other settings since there are subtle differences between the way TB! is setup at the two locations due to the type of network connection each location has. Cheers, Mark -- -- - Using TheBat! 1.42c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 - Freestuff, Paid2Surf, Humour - http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/just4fun - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Vote for The Bat!
Lionel, Regarding your message dated: Tuesday, April 18, 2000... MRH Yes, now it's all clear to me... I have never heard anyone here MRH request 'skins' in the next version/release of TB! How come? LEM No! Useless. *Please* don't loose your time too much on that, Ritlabs. LEM I find the other request *much* more usefull. Erm... cough... ahem... Listen folks, I'm really sorry but I'm going to state something for the record here... I was joking. About the skins thing. Really. I understand this is not obvious given the limitations of the written word and since we're mostly strangers here none of you have the benefit of knowing I'm prone to moments of sarcasm. I apologise and hope you'll all forgive me. For the record, all I wanted to demonstrate was that whilst this discussion group has proven highly useful to me given that most of the problems raised here are about day-to-day functionality issues, I was amused that the 'thing most lacking' in Messenger was 'skins'. (In the eyes of that one reviewer anyway.) Having moved to TB! from that camp I can assure you that there are other issues I'd address first... I hope nobody at RitLabs will have taken me seriously - I'd hate to waste anyone's time on this. Now, if I dare risk misleading anyone again, for the amusement of those who raise a smirked eyebrow at the various kinds of email bloatware that exists out there, may I suggest another feature that TB! lacks by pointing you to the following URL which had me in stitches... http://www.4developers.com/talkmail/ ...and no, I don't want this for TB! either... ;) I'll be quiet now. Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.41 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Get Paid to Surf - http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=HZJ982 - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Using TB! as a mail server?
Leif, Regarding your message dated: Thursday, April 13, 2000... LG I believe you are referencing the how-to on setting up TB as a LG *mailing list* server. This is quite a bit different than having a LG mail server. Actually, what I had seen was the settings option available under... Options/Network Administration/ (main TB! Window) where you can setup a machine as either... 1: Workstation with TCP/IP. *** what I currently use *** 2: TCP/IP or Dial out server. *** the option I saw *** 3: Non-TCP/IP Workstation. (You also set this when installing TB! as I recall) Although I doubted it I thought it might be cool if TB! could act as it's own 'virtual mail server' (for want of a better expression) whereby I could perhaps remotely login to TB! running on my office machine at work in order to access the TB! accounts (which access my chosen email accounts) I have there. I imagined this as a kind of fudge instead of using IMAP to access my actual email accounts. This whole affair was initiated when I was working from home recently and I wanted to check a message I had received some weeks earlier. Despite a fastidious use of filing to keep my messages sorted (~80 folders, ~80 filters although not a 1-to-1 correlation there actually) I was annoyed to find that the message base file for the mail folder I was after was some 10mb in size which over a 56K connection is too painful to bear. I ended up having to login to a unix box at work, (since my machine has no telnet server running) and ftp the message base file from the PC to the unix box (quite quick with an intranet) at which point I could then access the file using the command-line viewers. (less/more, take your pick.) Strangely I did not consider this ideal. Anyway... Thanks for the comprehensive reply by the way. The advice was appreciated because it gave me some ideas for the coming months. I currently keep all my mail on the office machine (since it has the better network connection) and I use the 'leave on server' option when I check mail from remote locations such as home. I'm thinking about all these issues now in anticipation of moving on from my present position in the fall at which point I'll need to 'gather up my possessions.' The most likely route to completely satisfy that right now would be a wholesale copy of my account folders onto another machine (say at home...) in which case I hope we get writable DVD here in the office before I go... Hope that wasn't too much like rambling... Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.41 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Get Paid to Surf - http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=HZJ982 - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Using TB! as a mail server?
Hi TBUDL, I have noted that TB! can be used as a mail server and I wondered if the possible situation could be solved by using TB! in the following way. I use TB! from work and have one main account which I use for all my email. (I setup other accounts to simply feed into this one main account.) I have my own machine at work so I can happily leave TB! on when I leave at night. If I spend a day out of the office and wish to check my account I can generally do this so long as I closed TB! (or stopped it offloading messages from our server via POP3) before I left the office. However, I have no access then to my stored messages in the account used by TB! and FTP access to the raw TB! files is painful over a modem connection when the message bases are quite large files. My question is therefore, is there anyway to setup TB! (using this server mode) that would allow me to use TB! as a client away from the office and access my message bases held on my office machine? Cheers, Mark -- -- - Using TheBat! 1.41 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Get Paid to Surf - http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=HZJ982 - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Anti virus software and The Bat!
Christian, Regarding your message dated: Monday, April 10, 2000... CD What I am looking for though is having the scanner actually scan the CD mail on it's way in (or out for that matter) and intervene if they are CD infected (some scanners also tag the mails as well with some text CD telling they are clean). I know just the thing to do this although there is one area of 'overlap' which I'll explain in a second... There is a product called "Invisimail" which is designed more for the invisible encryption/decryption of messages that you send and receive. It uses the RPK algorithm which is basically as good as the PGP algorithm since they both use more-or-less the same mathematical problem as their basis. However, since TB! has builtin support for PGP this is not such a bonus. However, it does also have builtin anti-virus support and it automatically 'quarentines' infected mail in a separate area to avoid system contamination. The way invisimail works is quite elegant and is suitable for (probably) any mail client that uses POP3 or IMAP. Basically, invisimail sets up a proxy on your machine which you give the details of your POP3/IMAP/SMTP servers to. You tell your mail client (TB! for example) that your POP3/IMAP/SMTP servers have the address... proxy.yourmachine.com (or whatever!) Then when you try to send/receive mail TB! sends its signals/requests to invisimail believing it to be a true server and invisimail 'invisibly' passes these across to the real servers. It it detects that you are sending/receiving from another invisimail user it will automatically compress and/or encrypt the messages/attachments too. I tried the demo version of this last year and was highly impressed. It really does work invisibly and it did catch one of those 'worm' virus mails (Melissa I think it was called) sent out by some poor person using Outlook's address book who was therefore unaware they had done so... You may or may not like it yourself but if you want to find out more goto... http://www.invisimail.com/ Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.41 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Get Paid to Surf - http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=HZJ982 ----- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Contextual naming using macros?
Alexander, Regarding your message dated: Saturday, April 08, 2000... AVK Well, I could (with the help of regexp) make a macro that would: AVK 1. work exactly as FNAME when there _is_ a from name in the From: header AVK of the message you reply to; AVK 2. expand to blank (or whatever predefined by you) string otherwise. I imagine that even if such a reg-exp were developed it would still need to be altered for each case (person) since doing something clever like substituting "Jon" in place of "Jonathan" is different to replacing "William" with "Bill" and so on... My original hope was that if there were some way to tap into the address book then a single macro (or reg-exp) could be used in all cases. AVK If there exists some interest in the macro described above here on TBUDL, AVK please let me know. I would be interested in the above ... BUT ... I must admit the interest is more whimsical and I would not want to ask another to spend their valuable spare time developing such a reg-exp purely to satiate an interest. It would be another story if many TBUDL contributors also posted an interest but otherwise... Besides, considering I never had this type of functionality before I started using TB! as my email client I hardly feel it would be right to be too annoyed in cases like this where the functionality is just a little shy of my ideal... perhaps the point will be picked up for incorporation into a future version (like so many other things huh?!) but even if I can't wrangle a 'fits all' solution for now the added function this feature provides still works to my advantage in the majority of situations. Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.41 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Get Paid to Surf - http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=HZJ982 --------- Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Contextual naming using macros?
Allie,
Regarding your message dated: Friday, April 07, 2000...
AM This is the only part I can make a worthwhile comment on. My
AM only suggestion is that you use address book templates and create
AM templates for those in your address book which require a special
AM greeting, your example being a valid instance.
This was an idea I had and tried in the past... my desire ultimately
is to not have to do this which was why I postulated on the existence
of a macro to extract corresponding information from the address book.
Looks like I might just have to live with a little added complexity in
my address book for the time being... :{
I agree with your point that the bat should leave the field blank if
there's no sender name though...
Whatever, this was just a hopeful attempt to save a little energy -
nothing more than that. Ho-hum.
Cheers,
Mark
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Re[2]: Quote/URL highlighting
Simon, Regarding your message dated: Sunday, March 19, 2000... S It should be indeed. It would be nice to add further options say under S Account Properties/Templates/Reply for 'quote indent depth before [value]'; S and quote indent depth after [value]'. Also, a couple of nice extras S could be 'quote bold on' and 'quote bold off' Not sure if it's what you want but if you right-click on a message and select 'properties' from the context menu you can select the 'display' tab and from there choose 'quotation' from the item menu selector. From here you can choose to turn off the bold font option, change the colour of the font and more... Of course, if you mentioned this in context with the template options, then I don't think it's possible which is what you were no doubt saying then... Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.41 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- - Get Paid to Surf -- http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=HZJ982 - Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: FTP
Quin, Regarding your message dated: Monday, March 13, 2000... QS I've tried every host entry supplied with WS_FTP, including "Automatic QS Detect," (which works with practically everything else), but I only get QS the error message, "Couldn't get 'ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com host entry." I'm QS using "anonymous" userid and [EMAIL PROTECTED] as password. I'm no networking expert but I forsee a problem here potentially which may explain why anonymous FTP often breAIM Keysdown in browsers... If one wishes to access an FTP site using a browser one normally composes a URL of the following sort... ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/any-path-within-site/ Since the browser uses the "@" symbol to differentiate the username/password from the hostname, perhaps the "@" symbol in the email-address-password you are supplying is messing things up. (I am only guessing here..) so, what the browser may be sending is... ie: ftp://anonymous:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ftp.ritlabs.com/ ^ ^ Two "@" symbols... As a possible suggestion, try replacing the "@" symbol in your email-address-password to an "*" character such that the email address is still accessible to anyone checking the logs of the FTP server but not problematic to the browser's interpretation of the URL ie: ftp://anonymous:zinger*[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ I'm sure someone will know a better answer for this and may even be able to confirm whether or not my guessed answer above is the truth. Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- - Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: FTP
Quin, Regarding your message dated: Monday, March 13, 2000... QS I've tried every host entry supplied with WS_FTP, including "Automatic QS Detect," (which works with practically everything else), but I only get QS the error message, "Couldn't get 'ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com host entry." I'm QS using "anonymous" userid and [EMAIL PROTECTED] as password. Duh! I just realised I had mis-read the problem... The answer is much clearer... Use ftp.ritlabs.com as the hostname rather than ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/ The ftp:// part at the beginning is a directive that tells your web-browser to use the FTP protocol rather than the HTTP protocol which most of the web uses. Sorry for that mis-direction... Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- --------- Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Nicknames, Favourites and Auto-Completion
Don, Regarding your message dated: Friday, March 03, 2000... DT Hi everyone, DT I'm wondering what Nicknames (Handles) and Favourites are used for DT within TheBat! Nicknames are used as shortcuts to people's email addresses. There are problems with the way it works and rather than describe in full those shortcomings I will attach a previous reply made by Jast to a similar enquiry I made on the subject. Favourites is another shortcut feature that works in a slightly different way. If you place the mouse cursor in one of the address fields of the compose window (To:, CC:, BCC:) and right-click then a menu appears. At the bottom of the menu will be attached the names/email addresses of your favourites. Selecting one of these from the menu will enter the relevant details into the address field. To reinforce what I've just said, go to your address book and pick out someone who you may like to regard as a favourite. 'Tick' the favourite box for this person and then go back to the bat and open up a 'compose new message' window. Place the cursor over the To: field, right-click and when the menu appears you should see that the person you have just selected to be a favourite appears on the bottom of that menu. One final point to mention on this subject is that if the address-book entry of the person you selected as a favourite appears in a sub-address-book of your main address book (I think in Bat parlance this is called a "group") then when you right-click in the compose window address field you will instead see a sub-menu titled with the group-name and your favourite person will appear inside that sub menu. I hope this proved useful - and the attached earlier message about nicknames etc... from Jast is below... Cheers, Mark I am used to Netscape Messenger's pinpoint addressing where you begin to enter a recipient's email address and then complete it using the tab-key. The client matches against either real or nick names and shows abbreviated lists when there are multiple matches. I have found that The Bat is much more fussy as to when it auto-completes a name. Pressing tab rarely works and the stated function-key (ctrl+) works in only a fey cases. I believe it works mostly correctly here: a) a phrase is auto-completed without additional keyboard intervention if it appears in the drop-down list of the address field. b) a phrase is auto-completed from the address book if entered incompletely (at least 4 letters) and you change focus to another field. This only works when entering part of a real name or the full handle. c) press Ctrl-Plus: auto-complete from the address book by entering any number of letters and go to next address containing these letters at the start when pressing continually. This will also complete email addresses you start to type without the name put in. Situations under which this does not work (bugs AFAICS): b) won't complete names shorter than 5 characters or where the first name contains less than 5 chars. It also won't complete handles with spaces in them, no matter how much you enter. c) won't complete from handles, even if entered completely. --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- ----- Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %Cursor query
rellieb-jean, Regarding your message dated: Monday, February 28, 2000... rj Dear Bat folk rj What does the %Cursor entry in a template supposed to do? I use this rj simple template (below) for this account, but I wish to have the cursor start in the rj message body so I can begin typing. Currently it merely starts in rj the TO: field. My understanding is that the %cursor macro defines where the cursor will first appear when it enters the message composition pane of the "Edit Mail Message" window. Of course, the cursor does initially begin in the "To:" field of the addressing pane but if you press tab a couple of times (depending upon how many of the address-fields you have viewable (To:, CC:, BCC:, Subject: etc...) you should find that when the cursor jumps into the composition pane it initially jumps to the position specified by the %cursor macro rather than to the first position in the first line which is what you might expect to happen if you hadn't used a %cursor macro. I'm not sure if it's possible to instruct TB! to make the cursor focus initially in the composition pane (I assume you are opening an edit-message window using some method that fills in the address-fields automatically.) but in case no one else knows a suitable route to make this happen simply press tab a couple of times at the beginning. Hope this helps a little. Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- --------- Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Archiving old messages...
Jast, Regarding your message dated: 09 February 2000... J Morning Mark R Harding, J Of course doing it manually like Steve suggested isn't a bad way to do it. J But if you're happy with one large folder for old messages you can J automate it fully: J . make the folder you want to move your messages in (duh) I suggest a Jsubfolder of the sent mail. J . make a sent mail filter applying to all mails and check the action to copy message to another Jfolder and select the one you created. J . in the sent mail folder properties check the options "max number of Jstored messages" and/or "keep messages in base fore days" and "remove Jold messages". This is pretty much what I was hoping to achieve. I have created a sub-folder in 'Sent' called 'Archive of Sent' and have created an 'Outgoing Mail' filter that additionally makes a copy of the message in the 'Archive of Sent' sub-folder. I copied all existing sent mails from 'Sent' to the 'Archive of Sent' and set the expiry on the 'Sent' folder to 30-days. (I can tweak this downwards later...) Thus what I have now is a snappy and responsive 'Sent' mail filter that allows me to review a message I sent recently without the annoying delay associated with my larger archive folder. Thanks to Jast for the advice here... JDH Here's how I handle the archiving, while keeping The Bat! running JDH lean and mean. JDH 1. Configure the folder options to leave messages in the base for JDH only 8 days. This can be done for the Send folder as well. Let it JDH purge messages automatically after that period. JDH 2. Use an automated backup program to save the mail database, JDH preferably to a different volume than the one The Bat! is on, as JDH generational archives. JDH (So far no dial-up problems today; knock on wood.) This is also good advice. I have a similar strategy for backing up my mail folders. The only real variation is that I create a copy (automatically of course!) of the mail-folders on my unix account because I have plenty of space (much more than on my PC anyway) and the backup regime is administered by the local computing support guys on a nightly basis so I can always rely on my data being archived. (In fact, through a Samba interface I keep most of my important work backed up this way too which is a nice redundant archive to have if one has the chance.) Thanks to John for the advice here... All in all, a very satisfying end to another 'little niggle.' Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 -- --------- Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Archiving old messages...
Hi TBUDL, Here's a quick question and it's probably bad form that I pose it now because I'm just off home for the day but hopefully you'll all be generous and forgive me... My problem... - I wish not to lose my old 'sent' messages (stored by default in 'Sent') but because I currently have just over 1600 messages in this folder I find it slow to access. Since I commonly only refer to recent messages my idea was to set up some kind of filter or expiry that would be applied to the 'Sent' folder that would move all messages older than a given age (say 1 month..) to another folder purposefully created to store an archive of the 'Sent' mail folder. This would have the effect that my 'Sent' folder was always reasonably small and therefore quick to access but I would still have my permanent record of each message sent. However, I could not see a route to doing this through either the Sorting Office Filters or the properties tab of the 'Sent' folder. Also, I drew a blank on the FAQ and (as far as I could see) previous threads of this discussion list. If anyone has any applicable ideas I'd love to hear them... sorry I can't stick around longer now but it's gone 22.20 here and I really need a break (and food!) before the next day of 'sweat and tears'. Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 -- - Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Problem sending/receiving large attachemnts...
Hi TBUDL, I have noticed that when sending or receiving (i.e.: opening) messages with attachments of a size greater than 1mb or so that TB! tends to eat big chunks of RAM and the system thrashes quite a lot and becomes unresponsive until it has finished its task. Are there any known issues regarding sending attachments greater than a few hundred K in size. Although for the wider email community pushing large ammounts of data through email is not the most efficient use of resource it is an important and necessary part of our internal setup here and I am send/receive large files (~10mb) to and from my colleagues. (Obviously our internal POP servers are quite good.) So far, I have found using TB! to be very troublesome in this area. I also noted delay problems in displaying messages in some of my folders but I assume the section in the FAQ on TB!'s use of the 'default win32 heap manager' is the 'self-explanatory' answer to this. (Um big-heap problem by the sound of it!) If you have any ideas I'd be glad to hear them. (Nice ones only of course.) Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 -- - Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Problem sending/receiving large attachemnts...
Gary, Regarding your message dated: 07 February 2000... G I might be wrong on this, but I remember seeing in the "temp file" G remnants of a large file that I sent via TB!. Could it be that TB G spools a file to the temp file as it sends it? If so, some with G limited drive space could have problems. Just a thought. I don't think this is the problem since temp-space on any drive I have is over 500mb. I do think TB! is doing something unusual here because if for example I am sent an email with an image attached (which occurs frequently because I'm working in I.P.) then when I see the message in TB! I see a tabbed window where one tab is the text part of the mail and the other tab is the attached image. This is quite easy to work when I select the image tab TB! goes crazy and sucks memory resources like they were going out of fashion. (I know this because I use TClockEx and have the mem-meter displayed in the tray under the clock) Smaller images are ok but anything over a few hundred K is a problem and many of my images are. The same problems are true for 'generic' attachments and these problems affect attaching files to messages I compose as well as receiving attachments with messages. If I want to submit this 'bug' to RITLABS as 'cid' suggested then is there a standard mechanism for this? I ask because I am new to this arena and don't see any info. on bug-posting on the official web-site or FAQ pages. Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 -- ----- Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: Problem sending/receiving large attachemnts...
Adam, Regarding your message dated: 07 February 2000... AB I am trying to get the Bat to "wrap" the attachment into the message, AB like Outlook does, at the moment if I delete the attachment from my AB folder, then reopen the e-mail message it is not possible to see the AB attachment. AB Is it possible to have The Bat "wrap it in" so it is saved with the AB message ? Try... Account | Properties... | Files Directories and then check the button to store attachments as part of the message rather than in a separate folder... It may only be possible to do this from the beginning when you create the account - I am not sure - so if somebody else knows then do advise... Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 -- --------- Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: mail ticker / auto-completion questions
Jast, Regarding your message dated: 01 February 2000... J Morning Mark R Harding, I'd like to dock the mail-ticker to either the top or bottom of the screen but at the moment, if I do this it appears 'over' other windows rather than forcing the other windows to not locate themselves underneath the ticker - is their any way to force this behaviour at all? J If I understood you correctly, what you want is to right-click on the J ticker and turn the option "always on top" off. This is helpful but not exactly what I was after. Imagine, for example, the Microsoft Office toolbar. I haven't used it myself for a while but as I recall, when you chose to use it the space it occupied became unavailable for other applications. Thus, if you maximised a window's size using the maximise button the window's border would stretch to the limits imposed by the screen boundaries and the edges of the Window's Taskbar, the Office taskbar and so on... This is the same effect I was hoping to achieve with the Bat's mail-ticker. If it isn't possible, so be it but I thought it was worth to ask... I am used to Netscape Messenger's pinpoint addressing where you begin to enter a recipient's email address and then complete it using the tab-key. (snip...) Thanks for the answer on this. Now I know how TB! works with regard to address completion I can better adapt my behaviour to suit. (...because it's still necessary to adapt to software rather than vice versa isn't it!...) Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 -- ----- Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hi TBUDL, I am new to The Bat and I have a couple of questions which I have not found answers to in the usual channels... 1: I'd like to dock the mail-ticker to either the top or bottom of the screen but at the moment, if I do this it appears 'over' other windows rather than forcing the other windows to not locate themselves underneath the ticker - is their any way to force this behaviour at all? 2: I am used to Netscape Messenger's pinpoint addressing where you begin to enter a recipient's email address and then complete it using the tab-key. The client matches against either real or nick names and shows abbreviated lists when there are multiple matches. I have found that The Bat is much more fussy as to when it auto-completes a name. Pressing tab rarely works and the stated function-key (ctrl+) works in only a fey cases. I don't want to have to resort to using the 'quick-address' book feature which is found by pressing the far-right button in the To:, CC:, BCC: fields since this really seems to require mouse-interaction which then slows me down. Is there some hidden functionality that I am missing here? I cannot find anywhere that specifies how The Bat matches names from the address book and so I am wondering if it can be improved or not. I'd appreciate any advice on the above. My thanks in advance. Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 -- - Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
