Re: Fonts et al
Hi On Tuesday 30 April 2013 at 6:06:09 PM, in mid:1298776607.20130501000...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I just had to ask a customer (!) to use a more sensible font, because her new choice made it almost impossible for me (not the youngest any more) to read her emails. She apologized and changed back to the font she had used in previous emails, so there is no problem any more. Other business contacts just post their holidays in another font than the text, i.e. make it bold, two sizes bigger, and red. This all arrives as intended (but not appreciated by me) over here. Why not simply view all messages in plain text? At work I have no choice except to use Outlook. Even that MAU has the option to view messages in plaintext. And on the rare occasion that I actually need HTML to understand the message, it only takes two clicks to switch to an HTML view of that message. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com The truth is rarely pure and never simple Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
On Thursday, May 2, 2013, 5:11:59 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Where do I choose the default font? I have no idea. The default default has been fine for me. The only defaults I change are for the plain text viewer. -- Dwight A. Corrin h: 316.303.9385 c: 316.207.6581 dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.3.8.8 (BETA) on Windows 7 version 6,1 (Service Pack 1) Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hello Bill, On Wed, 1 May 2013 01:01:36 -0700 GMT (01-May-13, 15:01 +0700 GMT), Bill McQuillan wrote: BM On Tue, 2013-04-30, Thomas Fernandez wrote: OK, so what happens if the HTML message describes Comic Sans Serife, and I don't have that on my computer? Does Windows - or TB! - show a default font? BM Yep. Aha. And which one would that be? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.3.8 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
On Thursday, May 2, 2013, 11:18:05 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Aha. And which one would that be? whatever you choose. -- Dwight A. Corrin h: 316.303.9385 c: 316.207.6581 dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.3.8.8 (BETA) on Windows 7 version 6,1 (Service Pack 1) Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hello Dwight, On Thu, 2 May 2013 12:27:31 -0500 GMT (03-May-13, 00:27 +0700 GMT), Dwight Corrin wrote: Aha. And which one would that be? DC whatever you choose. Where do I choose the default font? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.3.8 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
On Tue, 2013-04-30, Thomas Fernandez wrote: OK, so what happens if the HTML message describes Comic Sans Serife, and I don't have that on my computer? Does Windows - or TB! - show a default font? Yep. -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 5.0.20.1 on Windows 7 6.1 build 7601-Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fonts et al
Greetings, Ok, this is getting weirder by the day. On Monday I downloaded the font from a website and installed it on my desktop and on my wife's laptop. Installed means that I simply copied the font file (Nicole.ttf) into my FONTS folder (START ► CONTROL PANEL ► FONTS). Everything seemed to be ok until I started wondering about recipients being able to see the font if I composed a message to them using it. That's what started this thread. On Tuesday I wanted to try some experiments with the font but it had disappeared! That is to say that it was no longer available in TB! or even MS Word. A quick check of the FONTS folder showed that it was still there but the .TTF extension had been stripped off! I renamed the file to include the .TTF extension and once again it was available in TB! and MS Word. That was all I had time for that day. Today, Wednesday, after reading today's posts regarding this thread I decided to see if what Bill McQuillan said proved to be true. But in order to test that I had to first remove the font from my wife's laptop. I wanted to see how TB! would handle a received HTML message composed in a font which didn't exist on the receiving computer. Imagine my surprise when I went to remove the font and couldn't find it! It wasn't there!!! Gone! Not even the name sans extension as it was on my desktop yesterday! Ok, a little un-nerving to say the least but I could still send a message composed in that font from my desktop to her account. So I did. I then went to her laptop and did a fetch and there was my message displayed in Times New Roman, not Nicole. So, I can't duplicate what Bill said would happen and I'm beginning to worry about a font which seems to slowly disappear by itself. Does anyone have the phone number of Ghost Busters? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fonts et al
Hello Roelof, On Wednesday, May 01, 2013 you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:14:01 -0500GMT (30-4-2013, 16:14 , where I RO live), you wrote: RO The address book template for new messages will only be used when you RO first select the receipient and afterwards start typing the message. RO When first typing (part of) the message and then setting ther RO recipient, the AB template won't be used. JSL I'm confused Roelof. The first part of the above paragraph tells me (I think) JSL that if I open the AB, select (highlight) a recipient and then click the Create JSL a new message icon, the AB template WILL be used, assuming the Use a specific JSL template for new messages box is ticked. But that method doesn't seem to work JSL for me. RO I decided to test your settings, so I set the default editor to HTML RO only and afterwards to HTML with alternative plain text. And behold, RO the behaviour you were describing took place. New messages to tbudl RO were in HTML even though replies were in plain text. RO Upon closer inspection it appeared that my reply-template included the RO macro %SetEditor=1%- where my new message template didn't. (It RO hadn't been necessary in all those years as plain text was my default) RO So that was the reason I got HTML messages, not that the template RO wasn't used, but it didn't contain all the proper ingredients. RO In my previous post I forgot a reason that might stop the use of RO defined address book templates. When you've got multiple address book RO entries with the same address then the templates won't be used as RO expected. So you might check for multiple entries for tbudl. Well, I don't have multiple addresses for TBUDL so that shouldn't be a problem. I decide to add the macro you mentioned to my NEW and REPLY templates for TBUDL but that particular macro doesn't exist anywhere in my MACROS drop-down list. I had to copy it from your message and paste it into my two templates. I did that and it seems to be working as my editor is set to HTML ONLY and this reply opened up Plain Text (MicroEd) so I didn't have to change it as in the past. So, two questions remain; Why does that macro have to be included when Use a specific template for new messages box is ticked and why doesn't the macro appear in my drop-down list of macros? Does it appear in yours? -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hallo Jack, On Wed, 1 May 2013 09:25:40 -0500GMT (1-5-2013, 16:25 , where I live), you wrote: JSL So, two questions remain; Why does that macro have to be included when Use a specific JSL template for new messages box is ticked and why doesn't the macro appear in my JSL drop-down list of macros? Does it appear in yours? The SetEditor macro doesn't appear in my drop down list for new macros, that list doesn't contain all macros, but only the most used ones. The SetEditor macro has four options: 1, 2, 3, 4 %SetEditor=1 sets MicroEd, 2 sets the Windows plain text editor, 3 sets HTML and plain text, 4 sets HTML only The only reason you need to set it is when you want to use a different editor in a certain message from your default editor. The use a specific template for new messages box only means that you'll be using specific template, not that it'll be handled in a different editor, it's stioll being processed by your default editor settings, unless you change that editor manually or with the SetEditor macro. -- Groetjes, Roelof Fate: Protects fools, little children, and echo moderators. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.3.8.8 (BETA) Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 5 pop3 accounts, 2 imap accounts OTFE disabled i7-2600 3.4GHz 4 GB RAM Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fonts et al
Hello Roelof, On Wednesday, May 01, 2013 you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Wed, 1 May 2013 09:25:40 -0500GMT (1-5-2013, 16:25 , where I RO live), you wrote: JSL So, two questions remain; Why does that macro have to be included when Use a specific JSL template for new messages box is ticked and why doesn't the macro appear in my JSL drop-down list of macros? Does it appear in yours? RO The SetEditor macro doesn't appear in my drop down list for new RO macros, that list doesn't contain all macros, but only the most used RO ones. RO The SetEditor macro has four options: 1, 2, 3, 4 RO %SetEditor=1 sets MicroEd, 2 sets the Windows plain text editor, 3 RO sets HTML and plain text, 4 sets HTML only RO The only reason you need to set it is when you want to use a different RO editor in a certain message from your default editor. RO The use a specific template for new messages box only means that RO you'll be using specific template, not that it'll be handled in a RO different editor, it's stioll being processed by your default editor RO settings, unless you change that editor manually or with the SetEditor RO macro. Ah, much clearer now. Thank you. Wait a minute, although I clicked on the REPLY icon at the top of my screen, I'm getting a warning now that the subject field is empty, which it is (was, I filled it in). I've never had that happen on a reply before. Have I messed something up by placing that macro in my NEW and REPLY message templates? I'll check that after I send this. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Just copying the font doesn't do it. You have to install it. (double click it and it should show the font in several sizes with an option to install). If the font is installed on both machines, she should see the message in that font on html messages -- Rick We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes..., Leona Helmsley v5.3.8.8 (BETA) on Windows 6.2 Build 9200 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Rick, On Wednesday, May 01, 2013 you wrote: R Just copying the font doesn't do it. You have to install it. (double click R it and it should show the font in several sizes with an option to install). R If the font is installed on both machines, she should see the message in that R font on html messages Well, I dunno. If I go to my Windows fonts folder and double-click on that (or any other) font, the window opens up as you describe but there is no option to install. And as I mentioned before, the font does show up in the drop-down font box while composing an HTML message. I even dragged it out of the fonts folder onto my desktop and watched it disappear from the fonts folder, then double-clicked on it while on the desktop and again the window opened up but still no option to install. I dragged it back into the fonts folder and watched it re-appear there while leaving a copy on my desktop. So, although I originally just dropped it into the fonts folder when I first got it, it seems to work as though it had been installed. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hello Jack, On Wednesday, May 01, 2013 you wrote: JSL Hello Roelof, JSL On Wednesday, May 01, 2013 you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Wed, 1 May 2013 09:25:40 -0500GMT (1-5-2013, 16:25 , where I RO live), you wrote: JSL So, two questions remain; Why does that macro have to be included when Use a specific JSL template for new messages box is ticked and why doesn't the macro appear in my JSL drop-down list of macros? Does it appear in yours? RO The SetEditor macro doesn't appear in my drop down list for new RO macros, that list doesn't contain all macros, but only the most used RO ones. RO The SetEditor macro has four options: 1, 2, 3, 4 RO %SetEditor=1 sets MicroEd, 2 sets the Windows plain text editor, 3 RO sets HTML and plain text, 4 sets HTML only RO The only reason you need to set it is when you want to use a different RO editor in a certain message from your default editor. RO The use a specific template for new messages box only means that RO you'll be using specific template, not that it'll be handled in a RO different editor, it's stioll being processed by your default editor RO settings, unless you change that editor manually or with the SetEditor RO macro. JSL Ah, much clearer now. Thank you. JSL Wait a minute, although I clicked on the REPLY icon at the top of my screen, I'm JSL getting a warning now that the subject field is empty, which it is (was, I JSL filled it in). I've never had that happen on a reply before. Have I messed JSL something up by placing that macro in my NEW and REPLY message templates? I'll JSL check that after I send this. It's confirmed. If the %SetEditor=1% macro is in the body of TBUDL's reply template, the subject field doesn't get filled in when I reply to a TBUDL message. If I delete the macro, the subject field gets filled in again. So for now I'll just have to remember to change messages to TBUDL to plain text before sending them. I'd rather do that than have to re-create the subject verbatim every time. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Rick, By the way Rick, even though your x-Rouge header contains :Rick:, your picture doesn't appear. Shouldn't it? Mine does when I look at a TBUDL message to which I've replied and I'm assuming that it does for you when you look at a message from me. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hallo Jack, On Wed, 1 May 2013 15:59:15 -0500GMT (1-5-2013, 22:59 , where I live), you wrote: JSL It's confirmed. If the %SetEditor=1% macro is in the body of TBUDL's reply JSL template, the subject field doesn't get filled in when I reply to a TBUDL JSL message. Apparently that's because you've made a typo. It shouldn't be %SetEditor=1% but either %SetEditor=1%- or %SetEditor=1 The SetEditor macro needs %SetEditor=1 The %- macro that I used behind it is intended for merey cosmetic reasons. Either the trailing % of your macro combines with some part of the text in the message body and creates an unintended macro or you've put it somewhere in another macro and therefore messing that up. I suggest that you place this: %SetEditor=1%- (that's including the trailing dash) on a line by itself either on the first line of your template or on the last line of your template. That way you're sure that it doesn't mess up other macros. -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderator of the FidoNet STERN-SHOW Conference http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.3.8.8 (BETA) Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 5 pop3 accounts, 2 imap accounts OTFE disabled i7-2600 3.4GHz 4 GB RAM Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hello Roelof, On Wednesday, May 01, 2013 you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Wed, 1 May 2013 15:59:15 -0500GMT (1-5-2013, 22:59 , where I RO live), you wrote: JSL It's confirmed. If the %SetEditor=1% macro is in the body of TBUDL's reply JSL template, the subject field doesn't get filled in when I reply to a TBUDL JSL message. RO Apparently that's because you've made a typo. RO It shouldn't be %SetEditor=1% but either %SetEditor=1%- or %SetEditor=1 RO The SetEditor macro needs %SetEditor=1 RO The %- macro that I used behind it is intended for merey cosmetic RO reasons. RO Either the trailing % of your macro combines with some part of the RO text in the message body and creates an unintended macro or you've put RO it somewhere in another macro and therefore messing that up. RO I suggest that you place this: %SetEditor=1%- RO (that's including the trailing dash) on a line by itself either on the RO first line of your template or on the last line of your template. RO That way you're sure that it doesn't mess up other macros. Nope, no matter where I put the %SetEditor=1%- macro, (either version) first line, middle line, last line, the subject field is empty. Here is what my reply template contains: BEGIN TEMPLATE COPY -- %SetHeader(X-Rogue,:Deuxdad:)%- Hello %TOFNAME, On %DATE you wrote: %QUOTES %CURSOR -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: %THEBATVERSION. Running %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME Pro ver %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION - END TEMPLATE COPY --- -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
If that is working, great. I use 3rd party stuff to install or load fonts so I may be a bit out of date -- Rick With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power. Henry A. Wallace v5.3.8.8 (BETA) on Windows 6.2 Build 9200 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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By the way Rick, even though your x-Rouge header contains :Rick:, your picture doesn't appear. Shouldn't it? Mine does when I look at a TBUDL message to which I've replied and I'm assuming that it does for you when you look at a message from me. They don't appear here as I removed it from my system. I gave up on them some time ago -- Rick When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right. - Victor Hugo v5.3.8.8 (BETA) on Windows 6.2 Build 9200 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi On Monday 29 April 2013 at 11:32:43 PM, in mid:321990259.20130430003...@gmail.com, MAU wrote: I think the recepient he means is TBUDL. Fair enough. TBUDL matches the plaintext-only policy of most email discussion groups/mailing lists I have ever encountered. But doesn't TBUDL just strip the HTML attachment like other groups dO? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Beware the deadly donkey falling slowly from the sky Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Roelof, On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:23:49 -0500GMT (29-4-2013, 18:23 , where I RO live), you wrote: JSL If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel JSL with the message? RO No. JSL In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in JSL composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their JSL computer? RO In order to do that, you'd need the font to be attached to the message RO and on receipt to be installed on the receiving computer. HTML doesn't RO support that kind of actions. Apart from that think of the safety RO risks that that would bring. JSL In another vein, it appears that TB! is the only recipient I write to which JSL won't accept anything *not* written in plain text. Can I set the editor to JSL always use HTML but restrict message to TB! to always be in plain text? In my JSL AB I have the TB! new message template set to plain text and the Use a JSL specific template for new messages box is ticked but when the editor is set to JSL HTML in OPTIONS-PREFERENCES, it overrides the new message template in TB!. RO The address book template for new messages will only be used when you RO first select the receipient and afterwards start typing the message. RO When first typing (part of) the message and then setting ther RO recipient, the AB template won't be used. I'm confused Roelof. The first part of the above paragraph tells me (I think) that if I open the AB, select (highlight) a recipient and then click the Create a new message icon, the AB template WILL be used, assuming the Use a specific template for new messages box is ticked. But that method doesn't seem to work for me. If I have the editor set to always use HTML (OPTIONS►PREFERENCES►VIEWER/EDITOR►Default editor for text►HTML only) then even when I use the above method to start a message to TBUDL, it defaults to HTML. What am I missing? -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jack, Monday, April 29, 2013, 11:23:49 PM, you wrote: JSL If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel JSL with the message? In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in JSL composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their JSL computer? Unfortunately, yes. Font, size and colour will be transmitted along with formatting, such as bold, underline, itlaics etc. This is one of the beautiful features of HTML email. Some people want this, for reasons that I don't know. But hey, this is a free country/internet. I just had to ask a customer (!) to use a more sensible font, because her new choice made it almost impossible for me (not the youngest any more) to read her emails. She apologized and changed back to the font she had used in previous emails, so there is no problem any more. Other business contacts just post their holidays in another font than the text, i.e. make it bold, two sizes bigger, and red. This all arrives as intended (but not appreciated by me) over here. And for those who said that the fonts don't travel with the message: Try to enable the HTML viewer in your TB!. I have it enabled, because I receive many emails in which formatting is needed, for example tables. -- Cheers, Thomas. Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Thomas, On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF Monday, April 29, 2013, 11:23:49 PM, you wrote: JSL If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel JSL with the message? In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in JSL composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their JSL computer? TF Unfortunately, yes. Font, size and colour will be transmitted along TF with formatting, such as bold, underline, itlaics etc. This is one of TF the beautiful features of HTML email. Some people want this, for TF reasons that I don't know. But hey, this is a free country/internet. TF I just had to ask a customer (!) to use a more sensible font, because TF her new choice made it almost impossible for me (not the youngest any TF more) to read her emails. She apologized and changed back to the font TF she had used in previous emails, so there is no problem any more. TF Other business contacts just post their holidays in another font than TF the text, i.e. make it bold, two sizes bigger, and red. This all TF arrives as intended (but not appreciated by me) over here. TF And for those who said that the fonts don't travel with the message: TF Try to enable the HTML viewer in your TB!. I have it enabled, because TF I receive many emails in which formatting is needed, for example TF tables. Hmmm, interesting. I was going to try some experiments to see if in fact the font traveled with the message but I find that I can no longer call up this particular font. It was available yesterday while composing an HTML message but today cannot be seen in TB!'s font selection pull-down when composing HTML. A check of START ► CONTROL PANEL ► FONTS shows that it still exists in my computer's font folder yet it won't even show up when using MS Word. Very strange. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo Jack, On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:14:01 -0500GMT (30-4-2013, 16:14 , where I live), you wrote: RO The address book template for new messages will only be used when you RO first select the receipient and afterwards start typing the message. RO When first typing (part of) the message and then setting ther RO recipient, the AB template won't be used. JSL I'm confused Roelof. The first part of the above paragraph tells me (I think) JSL that if I open the AB, select (highlight) a recipient and then click the Create JSL a new message icon, the AB template WILL be used, assuming the Use a specific JSL template for new messages box is ticked. But that method doesn't seem to work JSL for me. I decided to test your settings, so I set the default editor to HTML only and afterwards to HTML with alternative plain text. And behold, the behaviour you were describing took place. New messages to tbudl were in HTML even though replies were in plain text. Upon closer inspection it appeared that my reply-template included the macro %SetEditor=1%- where my new message template didn't. (It hadn't been necessary in all those years as plain text was my default) So that was the reason I got HTML messages, not that the template wasn't used, but it didn't contain all the proper ingredients. In my previous post I forgot a reason that might stop the use of defined address book templates. When you've got multiple address book entries with the same address then the templates won't be used as expected. So you might check for multiple entries for tbudl. -- Groetjes, Roelof C:MODERATOR.EXE \EXPLOSIVE.FUSE \RUNFAST.FAR http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.3.8.8 (BETA) Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 5 pop3 accounts, 2 imap accounts OTFE disabled i7-2600 3.4GHz 4 GB RAM Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Tue, 2013-04-30, Thomas Fernandez wrote: And for those who said that the fonts don't travel with the message: Try to enable the HTML viewer in your TB!. I have it enabled, because I receive many emails in which formatting is needed, for example tables. OK, this is going to get nitpicky and techy! A typeface is a description of the relative shapes of the characters, like Arial, Comic Sans MS, or Times New Roman. These can take huge files of pseudo-code to specify. They are not usually sent with an HTML message. Technically, a font is when the typeface is further constrained by size (e.g., 12 point), weight (regular, bold), color and sometimes other attributes (e.g., strikethru). What gets sent with an HTML email is a font description for each particular string of characters (font names, size, weight, color, etc). Note that font names is a list of names in order to try on the receiving end. For example (Arial, Helvetica, san serife) This means: use Arial if you've got it, otherwise use Helvetica, or as a last resort use your default san serife font). In any case once an acceptable font has been found, the size, weight, color, etc. are then applied. Hope this helps. -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 5.0.20.1 on Windows 7 6.1 build 7601-Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hello Bill, On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:56:50 -0700 GMT (01-May-13, 06:56 +0700 GMT), Bill McQuillan wrote: BM On Tue, 2013-04-30, Thomas Fernandez wrote: And for those who said that the fonts don't travel with the message: Try to enable the HTML viewer in your TB!. I have it enabled, because I receive many emails in which formatting is needed, for example tables. BM OK, this is going to get nitpicky and techy! Indeed it is, but very educational nevertheless. BM A typeface is [...] BM Technically, a font is [...] BM What gets sent with an HTML email is a font description for each BM particular string of characters (font names, size, weight, color, etc). BM Note that font names is a list of names in order to try on the BM receiving end. For example (Arial, Helvetica, san serife) BM This means: use Arial if you've got it, otherwise use Helvetica, BM or as a last resort use your default san serife font). BM In any case once an acceptable font has been found, the size, BM weight, color, etc. are then applied. OK, so what happens if the HTML message describes Comic Sans Serife, and I don't have that on my computer? Does Windows - or TB! - show a default font? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.3.8 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fonts et al
Greetings All, If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel with the message? In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their computer? In another vein, it appears that TB! is the only recipient I write to which won't accept anything *not* written in plain text. Can I set the editor to always use HTML but restrict message to TB! to always be in plain text? In my AB I have the TB! new message template set to plain text and the Use a specific template for new messages box is ticked but when the editor is set to HTML in OPTIONS-PREFERENCES, it overrides the new message template in TB!. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel with the message? In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their computer? No it doesn't. A substitution happens on the receiver's end. If you want to use fancy text or dingbats, better make a graphic -- Rick (The) ultimate purpose (of the U.S.) is to produce more consumer goods. --Arthur F. Burns Economic Advisor from 1953 to 1956 under Dwight D. Eisenhower v5.3.8.8 (BETA) on Windows 6.2 Build 9200 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hallo Jack, On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:23:49 -0500GMT (29-4-2013, 18:23 , where I live), you wrote: JSL If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel JSL with the message? No. JSL In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in JSL composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their JSL computer? In order to do that, you'd need the font to be attached to the message and on receipt to be installed on the receiving computer. HTML doesn't support that kind of actions. Apart from that think of the safety risks that that would bring. JSL In another vein, it appears that TB! is the only recipient I write to which JSL won't accept anything *not* written in plain text. Can I set the editor to JSL always use HTML but restrict message to TB! to always be in plain text? In my JSL AB I have the TB! new message template set to plain text and the Use a JSL specific template for new messages box is ticked but when the editor is set to JSL HTML in OPTIONS-PREFERENCES, it overrides the new message template in TB!. The address book template for new messages will only be used when you first select the receipient and afterwards start typing the message. When first typing (part of) the message and then setting ther recipient, the AB template won't be used. -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderator unemployment is the largest single cause of self destruction. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.3.8.8 (BETA) Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 5 pop3 accounts, 2 imap accounts OTFE disabled i7-2600 3.4GHz 4 GB RAM Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hi On Monday 29 April 2013 at 5:23:49 PM, in mid:984083661.20130429112...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel with the message? In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their computer? The only way I know to make sure the recipient's display is the same as yours is to send a picture instead of text. Maybe a screenshot? Of course, that decreases the chances of your message being read at all... In another vein, it appears that TB! is the only recipient I write to which won't accept anything *not* written in plain text. Odd. My copy of TB! sometimes receives HTML messages with no plaintext part. Maybe something broke between v4.0.38 and v5.2? Can I set the editor to always use HTML but restrict message to TB! to always be in plain text? Even if you can, how would you be sure the person you were sending to would open that message in TB! rather than, perhaps, webmail or a mail client on a mobile phone? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com The One with The Answer is seldom asked The Question Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hello MFPA, In another vein, it appears that TB! is the only recipient I write to which won't accept anything *not* written in plain text. Odd. My copy of TB! sometimes receives HTML messages with no plaintext part. Maybe something broke between v4.0.38 and v5.2? I think the recepient he means is TBUDL. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.3.8.8 (BETA) My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fonts et al
Hello MFPA, On Monday, April 29, 2013 you wrote: M Hi M On Monday 29 April 2013 at 5:23:49 PM, in M mid:984083661.20130429112...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font travel with the message? In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their computer? M The only way I know to make sure the recipient's display is the same M as yours is to send a picture instead of text. Maybe a screenshot? M Of course, that decreases the chances of your message being read at M all... Actually, the only reason I asked the question was that I had run across a font (Nicole Regular) which I found attractive and thought my email recipients would also. In another vein, it appears that TB! is the only recipient I write to which won't accept anything *not* written in plain text. M Odd. My copy of TB! sometimes receives HTML messages with no plaintext M part. Maybe something broke between v4.0.38 and v5.2? With the editor set to always use HTML I would forget and compose an email to this list in HTML, only to have the email rejected (which I saw on my next fetch) with the sentence The message's content type was not explicitly allowed. I would then have to retrieve the email from my SENT folder, change it to plain text and re-send it. Have you ever deliberately sent an HTML email to this list and had it go through? Can I set the editor to always use HTML but restrict messages to TB! to always be in plain text? M Even if you can, how would you be sure the person you were sending to M would open that message in TB! rather than, perhaps, webmail or a mail M client on a mobile phone? My only concern in this regard is this list. I want the editor to always use HTML (for all my other recipients) *EXCEPT* when writing to this list. None of us like it when we're rejected (sniff):-( -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
