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Re: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello George! On Sunday, December 31, 2000 at 4:13:32 PM you wrote: And Forte is similar to this list in that agent doesn't format, so the users aren't expected to like nor use formatting. I think it's the other way round - both programmes don't do it because it is not wanted, needed or necessary. And I still prefer plain text over HTML, but basic formatting as Eudora 3.x had was cool. Don't take that personally but - remember what I wrote about my profession - I actually dislike "cool" features. Reminds me that one of the owners of an agency I know thinks Flash is so cool, he actually let whole web pages programme with it and CD-ROM games ... BTW, HTML is not intended as a *formatting* language; let me think, why don't we use Postscript ;-). - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.48f Windows 95 4.0 1212 C I never think of the future. It comes soon enough. (Albert Einstein) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOlI7dvTo1oA8g8dLEQJQfgCgj4+C32gM8Xy6kb9G7BVJEPdxrSAAn31A GPOkd6lxoTuVq92fxiKy4ohS =l4hi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
Hello Dierk, Tuesday, January 02, 2001, 1:35:01 PM, you wrote: DH BTW, HTML is not intended as a *formatting* language; let me think, DH why don't we use Postscript ;-). Actually if you talk to the creators at ncsa.uiuc.edu, they will tell you in no uncertain terms that HTML is a formatting language and nothing else. And yes I had a heated debate with one of their programers on this issue. -- Thawte authorized WOT Notary ICQ: 122492 "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..." the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution Nisi Defectum Haud Reficindium (If it ain't broke, don't fix it) Digitally signed with PGP to allow source and content authentication by recipient. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello George! On Saturday, December 30, 2000 at 11:07:15 PM you wrote: Most lists, except this one, and most BSD/Linux/UNIX do use and condone HTML formatted E-mail And where do *you* get your statistics made up? Or are you actually subscribed to *all* lists so you can rightfully make the statement above? Besides this list there is a mailing list concerning Fortés (Free) Agent also banning HTML. And to give another point against it - I have already made it several times, but am always grateful when I can make it again: Most messages do not need or actually use formatting. E-mail and its off-commings (i.e. Usenet) are for quick *text-oriented* infos. BTW, as a professional writer having been a long time in advertising, sometimes it is a real refreshment to *read* texts not to *see* it like a picture. Hopefully your intended formatting was not meant but just a joke ... - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.48f Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it, depends on what you put into it! (Tom Lehrer) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOk72ZfTo1oA8g8dLEQLGUgCdFVfMGevbZdWRROv+yQ17IC3lMNgAoKvM 8/CKUenBYz7bUwIb40Nk/TPb =EbVh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Dierk, Sunday, December 31, 2000, 2:03:31 AM, you wrote: DH And where do *you* get your statistics made up? Or are you actually DH subscribed to *all* lists so you can rightfully make the statement DH above? Actually my statistics are coming from personal experience on listserves. DH Besides this list there is a mailing list concerning Fortés (Free) DH Agent also banning HTML. And Forte is similar to this list in that agent doesn't format, so the users aren't expected to like nor use formatting. And I still prefer plain text over HTML, but basic formatting as Eudora 3.x had was cool. - -- Best regards, Georgemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * === Thawte authorized WOT Notary ICQ: 122492 * * * === "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..." - -- the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution Nisi Defectum Haud Reficindium (If it ain't broke, don't fix it) Digitally signed with PGP to allow source and content authentication by recipient. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 2.6i Comment: Use PGP to protect your rights and authenticity iQEVAwUBOk9NIf7EcYXHdx0TAQFhVwf+IyVa9vtUQrInzlE783a+PPmjXM7ZU2Nf 2DP7ArtKDUOlwNyyjQsWJ1fjEqk1xV3+PLrotzBJwOdK2w+iRmnnLmR3gPPHDPCN YevhKulY3msZn4oLrjB5Y+pMXW7vFJrO4whYv0jsdI1ADUG9ve7AbADVRlTmz62K GvJ0pEU5Az0k1GRG5l8+NM4WJBtCIyOEpCFclIGxIiQl7lUmFR123KFmHz3Wbauo AOOeLPMyKl96IIWA7JuBaDwCEr8wuDc6KM64xgy3ECEmjMx03ZKhvZYcdYsWjsDV 9CR7E/BPfdTavzjHWv55XzCw0FgSl9DeKLglyjzILGzcUj4tPNSmZg== =0j1P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ...I'd like the Bat do do it for me, of course. I have tried to use the filter action "extract attached files to the specified directory" but it didn't seem to work at all. I have this fellow sending me mails in multipart/alternative format, and I'd love to have that HTML-part ditched with a minimum of manual effort. Any suggestions? Lars Erik Bryld [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.larserik.suite.dk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOk3h/vpbkgvBshHUEQIPkQCfUmDDjeMs58lwVydTqRV2fvjzRmMAn3If w6JV+PF+JRGcQCQugrDJA2GS =bMtV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Lars, On 30 December 2000 at 15:24:10 +0100 (which was 14:24 where I live) Lars Erik Bryld wrote and made these points: LEB ...I'd like the Bat do do it for me, of course. LEB I have tried to use the filter action "extract attached files to the LEB specified directory" but it didn't seem to work at all. I have this LEB fellow sending me mails in multipart/alternative format, and I'd love LEB to have that HTML-part ditched with a minimum of manual effort. Any LEB suggestions? Well, what I do in such cases is: 1) Ask the person politely to send to me mail in plain text only. 2) Remind them of the request when they fail to cooperate and explain that, with nearly 1gb of mail, if all mails were 3 to 4 times the size because I allowed people to send HTML mail I would be overrun. 3) If that person still ignored my requests, I would instate a filter which auto-replied to any HTML messages from this individual using a template like this: This is an automated response. I do not like HTML mail. Please stop sending it You said this much: %QUOTES I got this much %QUOTES %QUOTES Please stop burdening me with this extraneous data. ... but then again, I'm a bad-tempered old so-and-so and people expect it of me :-). A happy new year to you. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.48h S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOk35ejnkJKuSnc2gEQJnlACeORi5qNdNrVcb6LFXfdsbatXx0pwAn2RX z0IXSIV3xCBoZ+g490N3bGuU =Cbjt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, at 15:04:26 [GMT +], Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP Well, what I do in such cases is: MDP 1) Ask the person politely to send to me mail in plain text only. MDP 2) Remind them of the request when they fail to cooperate and explain MDPthat, with nearly 1gb of mail, if all mails were 3 to 4 times the MDPsize because I allowed people to send HTML mail I would be overrun. MDP 3) If that person still ignored my requests, I would instate a filter MDPwhich auto-replied to any HTML messages from this individual using MDPa template like this: MDP MDP This is an automated response. MDP I do not like HTML mail. MDP Please stop sending it MDP You said this much: MDP %QUOTES MDP I got this much MDP %QUOTES MDP %QUOTES MDP Please stop burdening me with this extraneous data. MDP MDP ... but then again, I'm a bad-tempered old so-and-so and people expect MDP it of me :-). MDP A happy new year to you. You call *that* bad tempered? There were no 9-mm rounds or Ninja assassins involved. Mike Yetto - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=MAY:PGP_Key E-mailed using The Bat! v1.48f running on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOk4Fn9kz/SR3Uv4yEQJsSQCdE0k6+S7DP9VNPk+dZRswX+xDbP4An3xu 8WDhoE4qalL1rANzhm7cLiXX =Xqpq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
Hello Lars other Batmen women following this TB! thread, Saturday, December 30, 2000, you stated regarding : LEB I have tried to use the filter action "extract attached files to the LEB specified directory" but it didn't seem to work at all. I have this LEB fellow sending me mails in multipart/alternative format, and I'd love LEB to have that HTML-part ditched with a minimum of manual effort. Like collecting them all in one directory. LEB Any suggestions? What follows won't help if you want to keep the non-html part. In that case, I suggest asking the sender to refrain from sending you html mail. (Get to the source of the problem). (And I'll need to upgrade in order to try out the newer filtering actions. I see that v. 1.48h is now out). However, if you want none of it, filtering on the sender w/ delete message as the action, or sending the message to the trash folder, and checking the delete attached file when messages are deleted from trash folder (account preferences / files directories), might help - but that's far from automatic and not what you probably want. You probably already have html autoview unchecked, in Options. I hope someone else can come up w/ something closer to what you're looking for. DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck You wrote: MDP Well, what I do in such cases is: MDP 1) Ask the person politely to send to me mail in plain text only. [several retributions] MDP ... but then again, I'm a bad-tempered old so-and-so and people MDP expect it of me :-). Problem is, I get most of his mail through a mailing list, and no one else seems to mind (even if he is the only one using HTML). What I can't understand is why the filter action didn't work the way I'd have expected. Of course there are several explanations, not all fully tested: 1) HTML are a different sort of attachment (alternative versus mixed or some such) 2) I shouldn't have tried to direct it to the trash folder (probably wouldn't have auto-purged anyway, not being messages but files and all) My previous mail client (Eudora Pro 4) automatically stripped the superfluous message copy, but guess which version it considered superfluous ;o) Lars Erik Bryld [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.larserik.suite.dk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOk4+wvpbkgvBshHUEQI4ywCgjzEK5JpqFhtChUTqlf7aWtoqM0cAnRBc xgbGlTYlpgMvYdMsf1j/cRGu =bIJ9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 When I saw George's message about "Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear ", I felt like making these comments: GFS Most lists, except this one, and most BSD/Linux/UNIX do use and GFS condone HTML formatted E-mail. I still have not figured out why a GFS _Windows_ based list is having such a hard time with GFS _Pre-Formatted_Text_. GFS Not wanting to go to war on this, and I prefer _Plain_Text_, but it GFS seems to me that the _Frills_ are what _Windows_ is all about! I'm presently subscribed to a list where most of the mail is HTML. I read only the plain text versions because I get to read with a consistent background, font, font size and font colour. I tried reading the HTML versions of the list traffic once and lasted a few minutes. One message would have a white background with tiny text where I have to be leaning forward to decipher it. Another would have tiny text in bright blue with the quotes red on a yellow background. It was an absolute fiasco and extremely uncomfortable. Even the other members were complaining about some of the font choices. Simple plain text avoids the complaining because you can read the way *you* want to and not how the sender wants you to. Why waste bytes to create such confusion and discomfort for your audience. If you take a look at the mail coming from this list you'll quickly see the problems with HTML mail on a discussion list. - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ __ TB! v1.48h | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender and message authentication. iQA/AwUBOk5t0VfJ62ArBxfiEQI+vwCeJGkJnjatHK6eAL0N5JffnU4UzPgAnA/j jzcYohtxmbwVewmJcOQ6/j3c =JhqO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Allie, On 30 December 2000 at 18:20:49 -0500 (which was 23:20 where I live) A . Curtis Martin wrote and made these points: GFS Not wanting to go to war on this, and I prefer _Plain_Text_, but it GFS seems to me that the _Frills_ are what _Windows_ is all about! ACM ... you can read the way *you* want to and not how the sender ACM wants you to. Why waste bytes to create such confusion and ACM discomfort for your audience. ACM If you take a look at the mail coming from this list you'll ACM quickly see the problems with HTML mail on a discussion list. Not only, but also ... on this mailing list we are self confessed Emailoholics. That speaks volumes for the sheer volume of mail that we deal with. I don't know about you, but when I want to download something from the web, I look for an FTP source for the file to save bandwidth rather than go with the easy and "Frilly" default of clicking on the link and letting the browser drag it ploddingly down for you. FTP is a "better" (more efficient, cleaner, faster, more reliable) method for performing a download than HTML is. Plain text is, IMHO, a "better" (more efficient, cleaner, faster, more reliable) method for use in email than HTML is. HTML is a "better" method for viewing presentation information like web pages and documentation. When these things start to cross over, fundamentals get broke. That's what I sincerely believe. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.48h S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOk51wTnkJKuSnc2gEQK0eQCfekspd6+HFU1QxrP+XLuYbSs7VkQAoLyS 4gl+oI7BQ2qqMclvB3HiVuai =A57H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Now that I finally can delete attachments without fear....
Hello George other Batmen women following this thread, Saturday, December 30, 2000, you stated regarding HTML formatted E-mail: GFS Most lists, except this one, and most BSD/Linux/UNIX do use and GFS condone HTML formatted E-mail. I still have not figured out why a GFS _Windows_ based list is having such a hard time with GFS _Pre-Formatted_Text_. A number of people evaluating TB! (mostly IT professionals from the US), have pointed out that some of TB!s paradigms are NOT consistent with some of those fostered by B. Gates Co., and seemed to assume that this was somehow wrong. If their desire was to correct, their presumptions and condescension were offensive or silly to some (many, really) TB! users. GFS ... I prefer _Plain_Text_, but it seems to me that the _Frills_ GFS are what _Windows_ is all about! Windows is a fact, since 3rd party developers have chosen to support it, above and beyond any other OS to date (hopefully this will change some day). However, unlike some software companies, RITLabs (among others) seems to have directed it's attention to a niche market of what many believe are more exacting users, that are willing to pay the price of a steeper leaning curve w/ many commands in exchange for enhanced elegance, greater control and a degree of power that windows users in general haven't seen before. Then again, much of the non M$ software available seems to be directed at either correcting, compensating for or improving on Windoze's shortcomings. Mr. Gates himself has recognized this, as demonstrated by having bought (or tried to buy) out a considerable number of them. For me, the worst of html is the bloat; unneeded, unwanted and unsolicited, taking up bandwidth, slowing downloads and jamming disk space. Perhaps the same could said regarding posts w/ comments made only half seriously, with little forethought. But that's harder to define and still harder to influence. In any case, each windoze user's opinion carries as much weight as that of any other M$ OS user. The above is still just one man's opinion, stated for the benefit of any who find truth in it, and nothing more. DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
