Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hello Peter, We are going to rework IMAP part as we now have more experience with using IMAP in real world, so working with it must become smoother and more predictable. PF When? Right after the upcoming release, the new index format will be introduced, it's a necessity for better IMAP, then IMAP will be reworked. So, we are talking about two-three weeks to start. -- Best regards, Stefan Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Stefan, On 11-08-2008 12:11, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: We are going to rework IMAP part as we now have more experience with using IMAP in real world, so working with it must become smoother and more predictable. PF When? Right after the upcoming release, the new index format will be introduced, it's a necessity for better IMAP, then IMAP will be reworked. So, we are talking about two-three weeks to start. So I will have to pay yet again for the IMAP that was promised for version 2.0 - and version 3.0? Of course I am glad that IMAP will be worked on but naturally I am not so glad that I - yet again - will need to pay in order to get IMAP that works. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.0.20.4 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hi Stefan, Monday, August 11, 2008, 4:11:40 AM, you wrote: Hello Peter, We are going to rework IMAP part as we now have more experience with using IMAP in real world, so working with it must become smoother and more predictable. PF When? Right after the upcoming release, the new index format will be introduced, it's a necessity for better IMAP, then IMAP will be reworked. So, we are talking about two-three weeks to start. That sounds very ambitious - and encouraging for those of us now using IMAP. As you suggested, I am only subscribed to the folders in Gmail's IMAP that I want (not spam or all mail, however) and do not check the synchronization option for each folder (I have DSL). It all works fine now. Thanks for the good - and challenging - work all this time. Please put that same devotion into all of your human relationships, and that will pay off even more (over time), even if you feel disappointment sometimes. -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.0.26.5 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Stefan, On 02-08-2008 08:18, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: We are going to rework IMAP part as we now have more experience with using IMAP in real world, so working with it must become smoother and more predictable. When? -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 4.0.20.4 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hi Stefan, Hi Stefan, Saturday, August 2, 2008, 12:18:38 AM, you wrote: Hello Bob, BR Under Manage IMAP Folders, I have most folders (except for trash, BR junk email and All mail) synchronizing set at full messages. I BR don't have junk email and All mail synchronizing at all. Trash is set BR at headers only. Does that sound all right for good use of TB? No, it's not good, if you are always on-line. See my message to Robin for notes about synchronisation. To put in short (sorry, I don't have much time because I'm on a short vacation now, so I'm trying to catch some rest :-), no wonder you have to wait before your messages load - The Bat! should finish the syncrhonisation tasks first. I was on vacation for a 3-day weekend, and am just now having time to reply. I followed your most recent instructions above - I turned off all synchronizing modes but did subscribe to the Gmail IMAP folders. That seems to work well. Thank you for that tip. I hope at some point your notes above make their way into the TB help files. The best way to use IMAP on a DSL connection is just to switch any synchronisation off and read IMAP folders just like they are normal folders. So far, it seems to be working fine - just as you describe above. Having said that, I bear in mind that there are some problems for us to solve. We are going to rework IMAP part as we now have more experience with using IMAP in real world, so working with it must become smoother and more predictable. I have no idea of how huge a task that is, but I think it would make TB more popular at IMAP sites (Gmail, fastmail.fm, etc.). Thanks again for your good feedback. I hope you could relax some during your short vacation. Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.0.26.2 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hello Bob, BR Under Manage IMAP Folders, I have most folders (except for trash, BR junk email and All mail) synchronizing set at full messages. I BR don't have junk email and All mail synchronizing at all. Trash is set BR at headers only. Does that sound all right for good use of TB? No, it's not good, if you are always on-line. See my message to Robin for notes about synchronisation. To put in short (sorry, I don't have much time because I'm on a short vacation now, so I'm trying to catch some rest :-), no wonder you have to wait before your messages load - The Bat! should finish the syncrhonisation tasks first. The best way to use IMAP on a DSL connection is just to switch any synchronisation off and read IMAP folders just like they are normal folders. Having said that, I bear in mind that there are some problems for us to solve. We are going to rework IMAP part as we now have more experience with using IMAP in real world, so working with it must become smoother and more predictable. -- Best regards, Stefan Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hello Robin, RA Hmm, I don't think that I really understand what synchronising and RA subscribing mean in relation to IMAP. Can you explain it, or point to a web RA resource that does So IMAP subscription defines the set of folders (mailboxes in IMAP terms) you want to read often. For example, your company's IMAP server provides access to numerous shared folders available, but you need to check only some of them, so you subscribe to your personal folders and those several shared folders you are going to read. Synchronisation is a bit more tricky. Basically, The Bat! always synchronises message headers in the folders you visit, so if you have a speedy and permanent connection, you don't need to use any explicit synchronisation, it will actually slow down your work because synchronisation is a relatively slow process which blocks other operations (such a reading, copying, moving, setting flags etc) until it finishes. But in some cases you may want to have local copies of some folders with full messages or you get offline often, in this case synchronisation helps you to download data before you go offline by one click while you are shaving, having breakfast or choosing a tie (but not when you wish to read some emails right now). -- Best regards, Stefan Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hello Bob, BR In short, so far I think Evolution is easier to set up for IMAP, and BR the best settings seem to be built in as default. In TB, the settings BR require more fine-tuning, and I am asking this list if there is a setting BR in TB that will allow me to read new incoming messages when I first BR select them? If you don't do any fine-tune, you should get TB! working good and fast with GMail's IMAP. At least, it works this way here. Synchronisation settings should be used only if you want to stay offline for a while or want TB! to prefetch some data before you start reading it. Generally, I would not recommend any synchronisation if you have almost permanent connection to the Net. -- Best regards, Stefan Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 at 13:48:04 +0300, Stefan wrote: Hello Bob, If you don't do any fine-tune, you should get TB! working good and fast with GMail's IMAP. At least, it works this way here. Synchronisation settings should be used only if you want to stay offline for a while or want TB! to prefetch some data before you start reading it. Generally, I would not recommend any synchronisation if you have almost permanent connection to the Net. Hmm, I don't think that I really understand what synchronising and subscribing mean in relation to IMAP. Can you explain it, or point to a web resource that does So -- Robin Using The Bat! v4.0.24 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.4 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hi Stefan, Thursday, July 31, 2008, 4:48:04 AM, you wrote: Hello Bob, BR In short, so far I think Evolution is easier to set up for IMAP, and BR the best settings seem to be built in as default. In TB, the settings BR require more fine-tuning, and I am asking this list if there is a setting BR in TB that will allow me to read new incoming messages when I first BR select them? If you don't do any fine-tune, you should get TB! working good and fast with GMail's IMAP. At least, it works this way here. Thank you for the feedback. I notice one difference in Gmail's IMAP implementation between Evolution (now I am only using the Linux version) and Opera's M2 (now I am using that for Windows) on the one hand, and TB 4.0.26.2 on the other hand (I may go back to that soon, since all my Popmails from Gmail Pop are there as well). That difference is that in the first two, when downloading new mail into the inbox and I click on a new message, the text appears almost instantly (clicking on the message causes an instant load/reload). In TB, I generally can't read the text of newly downloaded inbox messages until the whole folder's new message texts are downloaded. Is this (above, last sentences) your experience, or can TB be set to load/reload a given message when I select it? Synchronisation settings should be used only if you want to stay offline for a while or want TB! to prefetch some data before you start reading it. Generally, I would not recommend any synchronisation if you have almost permanent connection to the Net. Ok - I am online full time (DSL), so I won't touch synchronization settings. Under Manage IMAP Folders, I have most folders (except for trash, junk email and All mail) synchronizing set at full messages. I don't have junk email and All mail synchronizing at all. Trash is set at headers only. Does that sound all right for good use of TB? Thank you for your tips, Stefan. -- Take Care, Bob -- Using The Bat! 4.0.26.2 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hi Bob, Is there a way to have TB synchonize THAT MESSAGE the moment I select it? I believe that is how Evolution is set by default. It is already supposed to work this way. There is an option in IMAP fine tune named When browsing, receive only msg text. Make sure this is disabled, it has never worked and causes excactly what you are seeing. You can manually force reloading a single message by selecting it and choosing Reload from the context menu. Apart from this, welcome to IMAP TheBat Style. A second question - if my synchronizing is set at message headers and text, will it also at least alert me that there is an attachment, so I will know to then do a full synchronization for that message? In theory, yes, and you will not have to synchronize manually because the new message should be retrieved automatically on selection. Again, in theory. -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp8UgbnLFJET.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hi Alto (do you sing in the opera?), Please forgive my humor! The great Marian Anderson was an alto. I think Christa (Krista?) Ludwig from Germany (as I recall) was an alto, also. On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:37:44 -0600, you wrote: Hi Bob, Is there a way to have TB synchonize THAT MESSAGE the moment I select it? I believe that is how Evolution is set by default. It is already supposed to work this way. There is an option in IMAP fine tune named When browsing, receive only msg text. Make sure this is disabled, it has never worked and causes excactly what you are seeing. I will double-check that - thanks. You can manually force reloading a single message by selecting it and choosing Reload from the context menu. Apart from this, welcome to IMAP TheBat Style. Thank you. BTW, on a tip from (another) friend in Germany, I just installed and tried Opera's G2 mailer in IMAP. It is the easiest to set up of all - even simpler than Evolution - and it works great Try it. Its implementation seems brilliant and user-friendly. A second question - if my synchronizing is set at message headers and text, will it also at least alert me that there is an attachment, so I will know to then do a full synchronization for that message? In theory, yes, and you will not have to synchronize manually because the new message should be retrieved automatically on selection. Again, in theory. Ok. Thank you. These little glitches and detailed settings in TB (and even more so in Mulberry) makes it less user-friendly than some (like Evolution and Opera M2). Thunderbird is equally complex to properly set up. Thanks for writing. Bob -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hi Everyone, I have just switched my Gmail setup from POP to IMAP, since I wish to access my mail from both Windows and Ubuntu Linux and spend time in both operating systems, depending upon my tasks. I have some questions about setting up IMAP in TB. I have used TB for my POP mailer for Gmail for several years. When I first switched to IMAP (while leaving Gmail's POP setup alive as well), I used Evolution while in Linux. I noticed that when a new mail arrived in the inbox, I received a notice AND when I selected the new mail(s) in the inbox, the text would appear almost immediately when the message(s) was selected. I then installed Evolution for Windows, and it operates the same way. However, since I still like TB better in some ways, my next step was to set up my Gmail IMAP account in TB for a trial. I have liked Gmail for IMAP (erroneous counts aside, since I do receive all new mail fine). However, when a new mail(s) appears in the inbox, if I select it right away, the text is often not there in the preview pane, and I have to take time to do a folder synchronization. Is there a way to have TB synchonize THAT MESSAGE the moment I select it? I believe that is how Evolution is set by default. In short, so far I think Evolution is easier to set up for IMAP, and the best settings seem to be built in as default. In TB, the settings require more fine-tuning, and I am asking this list if there is a setting in TB that will allow me to read new incoming messages when I first select them? FYI, right now, I have synchronizing set at message headers and text for all folders (except for All Mail and for Trash) in TB. A second question - if my synchronizing is set at message headers and text, will it also at least alert me that there is an attachment, so I will know to then do a full synchronization for that message? Thank you for any help, folks. -- Take care, Bob -- Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me. This is our function, our challenge, our fulfillment - to accept, enjoy and share. Using The Bat! 4.0.26.2 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox Synchronization in IMAP with TB
Hello Bob, Sunday, July 20, 2008, 2:58:00 PM, you wrote: BR In TB, the settings BR require more fine-tuning, and I am asking this list if there is a setting BR in TB that will allow me to read new incoming messages when I first BR select them? BR FYI, right now, I have synchronizing set at message headers and text BR for all folders (except for All Mail and for Trash) in TB. You can sync full messages and I think they are faster at viewing. BR A second question - if my synchronizing is set at message headers and BR text, will it also at least alert me that there is an attachment, so BR I will know to then do a full synchronization for that message? The attachment shows up as it did before, but when you select it a message pops up and asks if you want to download it now. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.26.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
