Re[2]: Templates question

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Volker,

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017,  you wrote:

> [In Reply to: »Chris Wilson« · 2017-05-16 · 11:33 h (CET)]

> Moin, Chris et al.!

 I  subscribe to a mailing list but when I reply to it the reply always
 goes to the e-mail address of the poster to the list, and not the list
 address.   i  have  put  the  following  templates  under  the  folder
 properties,  but  despite  this  the  replies  go to the sender of the
 message.  What  have I done wrong please? BAT! version should be in my
 sig, thanks.

 %REPLYTO=""

>>> Please try without angle brackets:

>>> %REPLYTO="a...@contesting.com"


>> Thanks for that, I had high hopes you'd cracked it, but sadly it still
>> isn't  working  Thomas.  Even if the From: line to the list shows like
>> this

>> Bryan Swadener via Amps 

>> The reply goes to

>> Bryan Swadener 

> Try this:

> %TO=""%-
> %TO="a...@contesting.com"

> First line clears the To field. Second line sets the address of the
> mailing list.

> %REPLYTO sets an alternative reply address of *your* e-mail, e. g.:

> - you send an e-mail with %REPLYTO=""
> - my reply to your mail will be sent to gniddlf...@blub.com

> Cheers!
> VA




That's done the trick! Excellent, many many thanks Volker :)



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Re[2]: Templates question

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Thomas,

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017,  you wrote:

> Hello Chris,

> On Mon, 15 May 2017 16:25:58 +0100 GMT (15/05/2017, 22:25 +0700 GMT),
> Chris Wilson wrote:

>> I  subscribe to a mailing list but when I reply to it the reply always
>> goes to the e-mail address of the poster to the list, and not the list
>> address.   i  have  put  the  following  templates  under  the  folder
>> properties,  but  despite  this  the  replies  go to the sender of the
>> message.  What  have I done wrong please? BAT! version should be in my
>> sig, thanks.


>> %REPLYTO=""

> Please try without angle brackets:

> %REPLYTO="a...@contesting.com"




Thanks for that, I had high hopes you'd cracked it, but sadly it still
isn't  working  Thomas.  Even if the From: line to the list shows like
this

Bryan Swadener via Amps 

The reply goes to

Bryan Swadener 


99%  of  mailing  lists I have no trouble with, mainly Yahoo ones, but
this list is a pain as I inadvertently reply via e-mail rather than to
the  whole  list  unless  I  am careful. Thanks, other ideas more than
welcome :)



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Re[2]: Templates - where are they stored

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Monday, April 7, 2008, 6:54:07 PM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

 account.cfn - account and folder templates, save message template
 account.qtn - quick templates
 print.ini - print template
 avconfig.ini - template for message about found virus

  excellent - thank you.

I realize that this thread started because someone (was it Tom?)
wanted to back them up. Has anyone tried to open these files, just to
have a peek? If so, with which program? I do realize that this
practice will be hazardous.

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Re[2]: Templates

[z5worg]

Tuesday, September 06, 2005, Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Marten Gallagher  everyone else,

 on 06-Sep-2005 at 10:21 you (Marten Gallagher) wrote:

 Is there a way to set up default templates for all Accounts -- instead
 of setting up the same templates one account at a time?

 When you're creating the template, the Edit Template window has an
 Options tab.

 I don't think z5worg meant the Quick templates, but the account templates.

Yes, I meant Account templates. Is there any way to set up default
demplates that will apply to all Accounts?  Since one cannot have more
than one Account Properties open at the same time, I have to keep
opening and closing two Account Properties in order to copy and paste.
Is there a more efficient way?

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Re[2]: Templates

[z5worg]

Wednesday, September 07, 2005, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:47:00 -0400GMT (8-9-2005, 0:47 +0200, where I
 live), you wrote:

 

Z Since one cannot have more than one Account Properties open at the
Z same time, I have to keep opening and closing two Account
Z Properties in order to copy and paste. Is there a more efficient
Z way?

 Two ways to do this easier:
 1)
 
 2)
 Copy your new message template to a QT (quick template) and all it 'New'
 Share that QT with all accounts (options tab)
 Change the new message template for all accounts into this:
 %QInclude('New')%-
 Do likewise with the other accounts.
 

This sounds promising.

Now does that mean that even if the QT is checked to share with all
accounts, it doesn't really share unless the macro %QInclude('New')%- is
typed into the other Account's Properties?

And if I modify the QT at a later date, the change will apply to all
accounts that has the %QInclude('New')%- in it?

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Re[2]: Templates/Macros

[David Calvarese]

Hello dAniel,

Saturday, March 6, 2004, 12:10:10 AM, you wrote:

dh on Fri, 5. Mar 2004 at 17:55:45 -0500 rich gregory wrote:

snip

dh In general, I have a 'message' and 'reply' Quick-template (I do not
dh forward often) that is simply included for my account's newmail/reply
dh templates and I don't have special templates for folders, AB groups or
dh contacts.
dh These QTs both include (%QInclude) a #init template (which gets my
dh fromaddr, the hello name, checks if the mail should be
dh signed/encrypted, ..) and afterwards generate the headers (xx
dh wrote:) and in case of reply cleans the subject, gets the proper
dh address, ...

dh That seems a bit complicated, but is in fact very good to maintain.
dh And instead fiddling around with different AB templates I simply have
dh to adjust my main templates a bit.

dh HTH :)


That sounds like how I'd like to get mine set up.


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Re[2]: Templates/Macros

[David Calvarese]

Hello Urban,

Friday, March 5, 2004, 10:31:11 PM, you wrote:

U Saturday, March 6, 2004, David Calvarese wrote:

 But I recall getting some really nice templates from the group before.
 I just don't recall from who.

U What did they do?

 Unfortunately, I don't remember.  I do know they were mostly for us in reply 
 templates.

U 

Snip

U Is that what you want?

Not really, though it did help me get my old tagline back. :)  I was more looking for 
templates (message templates and QTs) that people in the group used so I could 
reconstruct my own again.


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Re[2]: Templates/Macros

[David Calvarese]

Friday, March 5, 2004, 3:22:01 PM, you wrote:

MDP Dear David,

MDP @5-Mar-2004, 15:14 -0500 (05-Mar 20:14 UK time) David Calvarese [DC]
MDP in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DC Does anyone have any that they would be willing to send to me?
DC I got all mine off of here before and off of a web page which
DC seems to be currently down.
DC (http://www.immer-international.de/tb_en/index.html)

DC I pretty much need ALL the cool stuff again.

MDP What about the Macro Library in the official FAQ?!?!?

MDP http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html


Well, I did plunder that for some of them.  But I recall getting some really nice 
templates from the group before.  I just don't recall from who.



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Re[2]: Templates/Macros

[rich gregory]

DH I'll give you a subject cleaner for now:

What does it do?

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Re[2]: Templates/Macros

[David Calvarese]

Hello Urban,

Friday, March 5, 2004, 4:51:13 PM, you wrote:

U Friday, March 5, 2004, David Calvarese wrote:

 But I recall getting some really nice templates from the group before.
 I just don't recall from who.

U What did they do?

Unfortunately, I don't remember.  I do know they were mostly for us in reply templates.

IIRC, one of them took care of the Hello line for mailing lists and the other fixed 
the to field for mailing lists.

Those are probably the two I need MOST.

I'm on a LOT of mailing lists.

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Re[2]: Templates question - I have version 1.61

[Joseph N.]

   On Tuesday, September 17, 2002, Harriekins wrote in
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H One thing I would like to set up, with two close friends I email a
H lot, is to have a template where my reply begins above the heading
H of the mail I am responding to, in other words, like in Outlook
H Express

Put the %CURSOR expression above the %QUOTES expression.

If you want all your replies like that, do it in your global 'reply'
template.  Otherwise, just do it in the templates for those
individuals in your AB (or for the group they're in).

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Re[2]: Templates for Groups

[joeo]

Hi Roelof,

 I suppose  you have created an AB group forwarding template and don't
 have defined a personal forwarding template? That ought to work and if
 it doesn't I'm somewhat at a loss.

Yes,  I  have tried that and I get the account/folder template. I will
report this as a bug. I am surprised that this has not been brought up
before.

Thank  you  very  much  for  all  your help. You are a gentlemen and a
scholar.



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Sunday, May 05, 2002, 3:34:50 AM, you wrote:

 Hello joeo,

 On Sat, 04 May 2002 20:26:02 -0400GMT (5-5-02, 2:26 +0200GMT, where I
 live), you wrote:

j I have checked for multiple entries and there are none.

j When  I  create a NEW message, the group-name template IS used. I just
j have the problem with the Forward template!



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Re[2]: Templates for Groups

[joeo]

Hi Roelof,

Yes,  there  is  a  forwarding  template for the members of the group,
however,  the  members  template  is  not used either. It is using the
account/folder  template.  If  I  delete the account/folder forwarding
template,  then  it  will  not use ANY forwarding template that I have
defined even the individual AB ones.

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Saturday, May 04, 2002, 12:11:20 PM, you wrote:

 Hello joeo,

 On Sat, 04 May 2002 10:49:41 -0400GMT (4-5-02, 16:49 +0200GMT, where I
 live), you wrote:

j I have defined a group with two address in the group. I have
j defined a New Message and a Forward templates for the group
j name. The New Message Template works but the Forward template doe
j NOT work. I am forwarding using the group name - all entries.

 Is there a forwarding template defined for the members of the group?
 That would take precedence over the group template.



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Re[2]: Templates for Groups

[joeo]

Hi Roelof,

Saturday, May 04, 2002, 4:34:57 PM, you wrote:

 In that case I think that you've got multiple entries in the address
 book with the same address. Otherwise TB gives preference to the
 templates in this order: personal, address book group, folder,
 account.
 When you've got two entries with the same address in the address book
 it's unpredictable what template TB will use. So check for double
 entries. (It's possible for one entry to be part of multiple groups,
 so even when you want someone to be part of several groups, he only
 has to have one entry.)

I have checked for multiple entries and there are none.

When  I  create a NEW message, the group-name template IS used. I just
have the problem with the Forward template!



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 Hello joeo,

 On Sat, 04 May 2002 14:34:09 -0400GMT (4-5-02, 20:34 +0200GMT, where I
 live), you wrote:

j Yes,  there  is  a  forwarding  template for the members of the group,
j however,  the  members  template  is  not used either. It is using the
j account/folder  template.  If  I  delete the account/folder forwarding
j template,  then  it  will  not use ANY forwarding template that I have
j defined even the individual AB ones.



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Re[2]: Templates in The Bat! 1.60c

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Hello Joseph!

On Thursday 25-04-02 (17:27) you wrote to me:

JN If you want a message that will always go to a particular
JN person or group of people, then put them in your address
JN book.
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than Netscape Comm. 4,76...), but putting a series of letters
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Re[2]: Templates in The Bat! 1.60c

[Fr van Limpt]

Hello Dierk!

On Thursday 25-04-02 (17:50) you wrote to me:

DH AB Templates are very good if you create them for every
DH group or contact you have. You can thus create individual
DH messages for every single person (even address) you have
DH listed in your AB. Combined with the last category you'll
DH get a very versatile and easy to use system of individual
DH messages.
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'properties' in the AB file (overwhelmed by the enormous
potential of TB!...). You're right, putting one's templates in
AB one creates a flexible, highly personalized administration.
The two other possibilities are clearly more superficial.


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Re[2]: Templates

[Stefan Kosmal]

Jap.. thats it ;) I love Cookies..hehe.

Thanks a lot, *bow

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From: Dierk Haasis
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Sent: Montag, 21. Januar 2002
Subject: Templates

Hello Stefan!

On Monday, January 21, 2002 at 5:54:26 PM you wrote:

 Not exactly.. i want to change the sig...and there
 just the The answer is 42. (Adams 1980) to
 another wise slogan ;)

Randomly? Then the answer was - I think - already given: Use a text
file, enter every tag line you want in *one* line. In your template
insert the line %WRAPPED='%COOKIE=Path\file name'.

You can also use TB!'s built-in cookie facility.


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Re[2]: Templates

[Stefan Kosmal]

Hoi

Not exactly.. i want to change the sig...and there
just the The answer is 42. (Adams 1980) to
another wise slogan ;)


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From: Marck D Pearlstone
To: Stefan Kosmal on TBUDL
Sent: Sonntag, 20. Januar 2002
Subject: Templates

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Hi Stefan,

On 20 January 2002 at 17:20:03 +0100 (which was 16:20 where I live)
Stefan Kosmal wrote to The Bat and made these points:

 Is it possible to change them for each outgoing mail automaticly?

By using the address book, you can vary templates for each
destination. Is that what you're asking?

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Re[2]: Templates

[Alexis Haeringer]

Bonjour Jan,

Samedi, le 12 janvier 2002 à 08h54 [GMT -0500] (ce qui correspond à
14h54 ici où j'habite), Jan Rifkinson =[JR] a écrit à Luc :

JR   Ultimately, IMO, all templates should be made up of
JR   $INCLUDEs.

  But if Account.qtn could be in Human Readable Format (for remake up)
  it will be VERY more simple...

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Re[2]: Templates

[Luc]

It was foretold that on 12-1-2002 @ 12:55:24 GMT-0500 (which was 18:55
where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and spread these wise comments on
Templates:

JR Ah, well, I stand corrected. I guess I should
JR   have said New/Reply/Forward etc msg templates, right?
JR   Oh well, I hope Luc understood what I meant. :-\

 Have no fear, lol. I was with you all the way ;-)

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Re[2]: Templates

[Mike Ryan]

Hello Januk,

 I have two separate ABs.  For bus and friends.
  JA However, you are
mixing some of the terminology, so I'm not sure if JA that is exactly
how  you  set  up your address book. When you open your JA AB, in the
left panel, do you see:

JA Personal Address Book
JA Business Address Book

This  is  how  I  have it set up. How can I get the templates I placed
into  the  AB to work when I'm just working on TB! main screen. When I
went  to  reply to your message should not the address in the To field
generate the AB reply template ? I noticed that the AB template is not
generated  when  I forward to someone that I have a Forward message. I
thought that the AB template takes precedence over all others.

Thanks in advance.

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Re[2]: templates via ab?

[Kari Jakobi]

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ACM   On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:28:20 +0200, Kari Jakobi wrote:

KJ is there a possibility to connect fast templates with some people in my
KJ ab? to clarify: usually i send/receive messages in german. some of my ab
KJ entries are english speaking, so i want to use a fast template where
KJ everything is in english for them and my defaults for the rest.

ACM Yes. Use the %language="language id" macro in your AB templates.

sorry, my fault. i meant "quick templates" instead of fast templates.
can i have special layouted quick templates for my english people.
so that i select a user from my ab -- new message -- tb! opens a new
msg with the defined template.

eg. "herr schmid" will be opened with my
template for german users which is:

=Ursprüngliche Nachricht=
Von:%OFROMNAME mailto:%OFROMADDR
Gesendet:   %ODATE %OTIMELONG
An: %OTONAME mailto:%OTOADDR
Betreff:%OSUBJ

%TEXT


=Beginn der neuen Nachricht=

and "mr. john smith" will be opened with my template for english users:

=Original Message=
From: %OFROMNAME mailto:%OFROMADDR
Sent: %ODATE %OTIMELONG
To:   %OTONAME mailto:%OTOADDR
Subject:  %OSUBJ

%TEXT


=Begin Of New Message=

you see what i mean?

is it possible?

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Re[2]: templates via ab?

[Kari Jakobi]

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on the mission for "templates via ab?", Markus Gloede wrote:

MG Actually, working in a bilingual environment I have asked for a
MG language setting in the address book for ages. I can't create a
MG template for every individual address book entry, there should be
MG something like a language field which would at least allow
MG spellchecking in the proper language.

see a. curtis martin's first reply on this issue

hth
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Re[2]: templates stop working

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hi BatListers.

  In a post time stamped 19:15:58 -0700 re: templates stop
  working   Januk  Aggarwal  wrote  in  reference  to  Jan
  Rifkinson's comment:

 I  have  a  folder  with new msg  reply templates. I have used
 both  these  templates  successfully for some time. Today these
 templates stopped working.

Januk Have  you  checked  the  folder  properties  to  see if the
Januk templates still exist?

  Yes they exxist

Januk Have   you  checked  your  system  for  virii  or  for  any
Januk batch/script  files that could be deleting anything in your
Januk mail folders?

  I  have  no  batch/script  files  running  my system is
  clear of virii.

Januk What  programs  were you running today before the templates
Januk stopped working? Have you installed any software today?

  The  software I was running is the same software tools I
  run  every  day  which  includes Ecco, IE5.5, Desknotes,
  Macro  Magic,  ICQ. Nothing new was installed before the
  templates stopped workng.

  Regards,

Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA
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Re[2]: templates stop working

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hi BatListers.

  In a post time stamped 06:55:42 -0700 re: templates stop
  working Ming-Li wrote:

Ming-Li On Saturday, October 21, 2000, 3:55:36 PM, Jan wrote:

 I  have  a  folder  with new msg  reply templates. I have used
 both  these  templates  successfully for some time. Today these
 templates stopped working.

Ming-Li What  do  you mean by "stopped working"? Does the Account
Ming-Li Templates take over, or no template is at work at all?

jr: No template works at all, i.e.

 I  checked  to  see if there was an address book entry -- there
 are no templates there.

Ming-Li So  the  usual  suspect is out. Just to be sure, however,
Ming-Li please  check  again  and  see  if there're more than one
Ming-Li entries for the same recipient in the AB.[...]

 I created a new folder  moved all my msgs over to this folder.
 Then  I closed TB!  reopened to allow the default templates to
 re-establish themselves. Same problem.

Ming-Li [...]  Did  you copy the old folder templates over to the
Ming-Li new  folder?  [...] templates.) Again, same problem means
Ming-Li "no  template  is working at all" or "the default account
Ming-Li templates are used"?

  jr: Here are the exact steps I took Ming Li.

  1. I created a new folder called test

  2.  I went to the folder where this problem is occurring
   I copied 3 random msgs to the "test" folder

  3. I selected a msg @ random  clicked "reply: icon  no
  reply  msg  template  of  any  kind  appeared.  The only
  element  included  was the quick template signature from
  the *original* folder.

  4.  I  repeated  using  some  selected  test  F4 - same
  result.

  5.  I  repeated  using  the  menu  reply  command - same
  result.

  6. I selected a msg @ random  used the "reply all" icon
the  default reply template *worked*. I wanted to try
  to  select a portion of the msg  reply to all but don't
  know how to do it.

  7.  I  re-installed TB!  repeated all of the above with
  the same results.

  8.  I  checked for duplicate entries in the address book
  but their weren't any.

  9. I checked all addresses to be answered in this folder
   none had any over-riding template @ the AB level.

  10. From the test folder I created a new AB entry of the
  same address  the default reply template worked.

  11. I returned to the original folder  replied to a msg
   the folder reply template worked.

  This  is the 2nd time these circumstances have presented
  themselves  in this manner  have resolved themselves in
  the identical manner. It seems to point to the AB.


Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA
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Re[2]: Templates Help

[Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen]

The bat of happiness fluttered its wings and whispered to me that
Graham said on Wednesday, October 11, 2000:

Rev. Since Exchange client is a truly appalling piece of sh^H^Hsoftware, it
Rev. didn't take long for me to scrub every remnant of Calypso off my hard
Rev. drive.

 That's your opinion.  There is much in Calypso that I like, and
 somethings I don't.  The same is true of The Bat.

Absolutely.  It is entirely my opinion.  However, since customers'
opinions are possibly of some value to the makers of TB! I'll go on to
mention two things in particular -- sort of a warning: touch this and
I'm history.

The two worst things about Exchange client (5.0, and again only imho)
are that:
(a) it hides things from you and
(b) it f*cks with your email.

For instance (and this is an example of both faults), in Exchange's
editor when you have "Internet formatting" selected, you do *not* see
the message as others will see it.  Even as an experienced user, I
too often end up with extra ""s or missing ""s.

TB! has just one case where it does this: it fails to display the
extra space after the sigdash.  That was, however, the subject of a
disgruntled email from me to tech support.  I'm one of the handful of
people in the world to whom appearance of their email is important.
If a message comes from me that looks crummy, it's because I have no
sense of style, but dammit, I made it look as good as I knew how to!
And *I* was in control of how it looked.

Oops -- one more thing where TB! thinks it knows better than you do.
If you format a paragraph in TB! and you've used two spaces after the
period (like most Americans were taught in typing class), TB! turns it
into a single space.  Well, I've got news for you, TB! developers --
it shouldn't matter whether I've put one or two or fifteen spaces
after a period.  That's none of your business.  I wrote it that way,
and you should leave it the hell alone.  You do *not* know what your
customers want their email to look like.  From a purely software
engineering standpoint, when is it ever good practice to make one
functional element do two things (correct line length and respace
within the line)?  I've told tech support about that one too.

So TB! is already treading on dangerous ground, at least for me.  But
back to the real villains.

One of the things Exchange hides from you (I suppose it's because the
developers think you're too stupid to understand them) is headers.
In fact, it often just plain destroys headers.  That means, if you
sent a message to somebody who had an alias, if you ever want to send
him email again, you're screwed.

And anybody who's had the temerity to send a non-Microsoft-proprietary
attachment format (e.g., JPEG) knows that Exchange client "improves"
your filenames, changing foo.jpg into foo.jpg.jpe.  (I understand that
not every copy of Exchange client 5.0 does this, but our tech support
people have been absolutely unable to fix it, so I mark it down as a
characteristic of Exchange client).

Here's the scoop, email client builders: mail is plain old text. Yes,
I know there are some complications in the middle with unicode
character sets and MIME attachments, but there are no trapdoor
functions: text in, text out.  People who use email clients are
perfectly capable of generating text all by themselves, and do not
like it when you mess with what they've done.

And btw, once the email comes down the pipe to my machine, it's mine
and don't f*ck with it then, either. I threw Eudora away (after paying
for it!) when I discovered it "improved" the filenames of attached
files (foo.html became foo.htm).  Buh-bye, Eudora!

With Calypso, the final straw was a silly thing: they evaluated their
templates at program startup rather than when you composed a message.
Well, that absolutely destroys the ability of Calypso to use
sigmonsters (random signature generators).  Buh-bye, Calypso!

But that's really in the realm of extra features.  Basically I'm easy
to please.  Don't hide stuff from me, and don't mess with my email.
It's astonishing how few email programs can manage those simple
requirements, though.
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No animals were harmed during the making of this post.  Except cats.

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Re[2]: Templates Help

[Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen]

The bat of happiness fluttered its wings and whispered to me that
Dierk Haasis said on Thursday, October 12, 2000:

 Oops -- one more thing where TB! thinks it knows better than you do.
 If you format a paragraph in TB! and you've used two spaces after the
 period (like most Americans were taught in typing class), TB! turns it
 into a single space.  Well, I've got news for you, TB! developers --
 it shouldn't matter whether I've put one or two or fifteen spaces
 after a period.  That's none of your business.

 Well, I never understood this double space behaviour in American texts I
 got, now you tell me ... Can you even tell me *why* you were taught this
 way? Europeans usually make one, maybe a sign of parsimony?! ;-)

I don't know.  Tradition?

But the point isn't which is "correct".  Neither is.  Well, actually
my way is, by definition, but I won't press the point ;-) I think the
important point is that users ought to be free to put spaces in their
paragraphs, type in all lowercase, and do all manner of things without
their email client butting in.

And why?  Because formatting a paragraph's line lengths is a different
thing from formatting within the line.  They're two different
functions.  And afaik, TB!'s way of doing things is unique.  Take good
old fmt(1).  This is what its manpage says:

"The fmt command both joins and splits lines to achieve the desired
width, but words are never joined or split; spaces are always
preserved, and lines are split at spaces only.  In effect, fmt ignores
newline characters in the input and wraps words to make lines a close
as possible to width bytes, resulting in individual lines of varying
length but a consistent (new) text width overall.  Because blank lines
are always preserved, fmt does not merge paragraphs separated by blank
lines."

The prosecution rests.

Re the "ahem": could I say that TB! f-rn-c-tes with my text?

;-)
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Re[2]: Templates Help

[Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen]

The bat of happiness fluttered its wings and whispered to me that
Marck D. Pearlstone said on Thursday, October 12, 2000:

RBBC Re the "ahem": could I say that TB! f-rn-c-tes with my text?

 Yes ... but don't make a dirty habit of it g (I still prefer
 "messes" or even "*@$!$@" in this forum).

"c-rn-l kn-wl-dge"?

;-)
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Re[2]: templates

[Susanne]

Hello Tony,

Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 4:10:10 PM, you wrote:

 This message: 19/09/2000 23:56 GMT.

 Hello Susanne,


   That's a hard one. Perhaps an example would help.

 This is an
   example of probably the most used template type on this list
   with maybe a few subtle differences.

   Hope that helps in some small way...


    Start of template

 This message: %DATESHORT %TIME GMT.

 Hello %TOFName,

 
%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"
   A reminder of what %OFromFName (%OFROMADDR) typed on:
   %ODATE at %SUBPATT="3" GMT%SUBPATT="4"

 %quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(.*^-BEGIN PGP 
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(- --\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP 
SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""

   %Cursor

Um, I'm way out of my league with this!

How do you learn what commands to use and what they mean?

Maybe I should just use the default ones and stay away from any
changes.

Thanks for the help!

Susanne

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Re[2]: templates

[Avenarius]

Many hearty thanks, Tony, for providing this template! Thanks to your
template I finally know how to put the GMT stamp in the headline!

Alex. of Slovakia


ps. Thanks also to tracer who had posted me the same template earlier
but I silly person lost it somewhere.


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A Bat-fellow, Tony Boom,
wrote on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 at 00:10:10 (GMT +0100), 
which was 1:10 in Bratislava --


TB 
%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"
TB A reminder of what %OFromFName (%OFROMADDR) typed on:
TB %ODATE at %SUBPATT="3" GMT%SUBPATT="4"

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