Re: Scary message (3)
Hello Jack, On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:56:48 -0500 GMT (01-Sep-13, 05:56 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: TF Most welcome, and sorry for the comments above. You've been on this TF list for decades (longer than me, I think), so you know I don't mean TF any harm but just couldn't resist. Your above comment got me to thinking about just how long I've been using TB. The earliest email referencing TB was in Feb '98 when my little sister asked What's The Bat? I do know that I was introduced to TB! in the summer of 1999. So I was right, you outrank me. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.4 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (3)
Hello Thomas, On Saturday, August 31, 2013 you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:41:02 -0500 GMT (31-Aug-13, 20:41 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I have the MESSAGES.TBB file from her Carbonite backup of the SENT folder which I'll try to restore today. If the backup file is also corrupted, Carbonite also keeps earlier versions of everything it backs up so I should be able to retrieve an earlier version if necessary. TF Did that work? Yes it did. It was the first time I'd ever tried to retrieve an earlier file from Carbonite and saw that I was presented with about 6 earlier files to choose from (by date). I picked one and as luck would have it, the most important email was in that file. TF Good to hear. I can think of no reason for all this trouble except that TB! is somehow broken and the only solution for that (to my knowledge) is to re-install TB! but I'm not sure if I can just simply re-install it over the existing TB!. TF Yes, you can. In fact, I would try to just installl again over the TF existing installation before uninstalling first. Well, since the emergency email retrieval was successful I think I'm going to leave well enough alone. TF I agree. If it ain't broke (any more) don't fix it. Although, both she and I (two different computers) TF You consider yourself as computers? That's strange, but OK as long as TF you are consenting adults and don't hurt anybody else. have seen occasional divide by zero error messages pop up when TB is started. [...] Still, I'd like to know what those messages mean. TF It means that you divided by zero. ;-) Well, *I* didn't but TB apparently did. The next time I get one I'll contact the list for help. Again, I'd like to thank you and everyone else who helped me with this most recent problem. TF Most welcome, and sorry for the comments above. You've been on this TF list for decades (longer than me, I think), so you know I don't mean TF any harm but just couldn't resist. Your above comment got me to thinking about just how long I've been using TB. The earliest email referencing TB was in Feb '98 when my little sister asked What's The Bat? - Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (3)
Hello Thomas, On Saturday, August 31, 2013 you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 08:58:42 -0500 GMT (15-Aug-13, 20:58 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I have the MESSAGES.TBB file from her Carbonite backup of the SENT folder which I'll try to restore today. If the backup file is also corrupted, Carbonite also keeps earlier versions of everything it backs up so I should be able to retrieve an earlier version if necessary. TF Did that work? Yes it did. It was the first time I'd ever tried to retrieve an earlier file from Carbonite and saw that I was presented with about 6 earlier files to choose from (by date). I picked one and as luck would have it, the most important email was in that file. I can think of no reason for all this trouble except that TB! is somehow broken and the only solution for that (to my knowledge) is to re-install TB! but I'm not sure if I can just simply re-install it over the existing TB!. TF Yes, you can. In fact, I would try to just installl again over the TF existing installation before uninstalling first. Well, since the emergency email retrieval was successful I think I'm going to leave well enough alone. Although, both she and I (two different computers) have seen occasional divide by zero error messages pop up when TB is started. I immediately shut TB down and re-start it and it always comes up clean, no error messages. She didn't know to do that and would blithely continue using TB after she cleared the message. I suppose we'll never know if that had anything to do with her losing emails. Still, I'd like to know what those messages mean. The next time I get one I'll contact the list for help. Again, I'd like to thank you and everyone else who helped me with this most recent problem. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (3)
Hello Jack, On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:41:02 -0500 GMT (31-Aug-13, 20:41 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I have the MESSAGES.TBB file from her Carbonite backup of the SENT folder which I'll try to restore today. If the backup file is also corrupted, Carbonite also keeps earlier versions of everything it backs up so I should be able to retrieve an earlier version if necessary. TF Did that work? Yes it did. It was the first time I'd ever tried to retrieve an earlier file from Carbonite and saw that I was presented with about 6 earlier files to choose from (by date). I picked one and as luck would have it, the most important email was in that file. Good to hear. I can think of no reason for all this trouble except that TB! is somehow broken and the only solution for that (to my knowledge) is to re-install TB! but I'm not sure if I can just simply re-install it over the existing TB!. TF Yes, you can. In fact, I would try to just installl again over the TF existing installation before uninstalling first. Well, since the emergency email retrieval was successful I think I'm going to leave well enough alone. I agree. If it ain't broke (any more) don't fix it. Although, both she and I (two different computers) You consider yourself as computers? That's strange, but OK as long as you are consenting adults and don't hurt anybody else. have seen occasional divide by zero error messages pop up when TB is started. [...] Still, I'd like to know what those messages mean. It means that you divided by zero. ;-) The next time I get one I'll contact the list for help. Again, I'd like to thank you and everyone else who helped me with this most recent problem. Most welcome, and sorry for the comments above. You've been on this list for decades (longer than me, I think), so you know I don't mean any harm but just couldn't resist. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.4 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (3)
Hello Jack, On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 08:58:42 -0500 GMT (15-Aug-13, 20:58 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I have the MESSAGES.TBB file from her Carbonite backup of the SENT folder which I'll try to restore today. If the backup file is also corrupted, Carbonite also keeps earlier versions of everything it backs up so I should be able to retrieve an earlier version if necessary. Did that work? I can think of no reason for all this trouble except that TB! is somehow broken and the only solution for that (to my knowledge) is to re-install TB! but I'm not sure if I can just simply re-install it over the existing TB!. Yes, you can. In fact, I would try to just installl again over the existing installation before uninstalling first. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.4 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (3)
Hi On Thursday 15 August 2013 at 2:50:12 AM, in mid:139160071.20130815085...@thebat.net, Thomas Fernandez wrote: In order to delete messages from the folder, you have to purge and compress. I do that regularly, but chances are your wife didn't. Unless TB! is configured to do it automatically, perhaps on exit. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com If you are afraid to speak against tyranny, then you are already a slave. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (3)
Hello Thomas, On Thursday, August 15, 2013 you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:06:28 -0500 GMT (15-Aug-13, 06:06 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: My wife just informed me that a message which was in her SENT folder after I had successfully (I thought) restored all the messages that were in the FAUX INBOX, has disappeared. She moved the message in question to another folder for safekeeping but it's no longer there nor is it still in the SENT folder which of course it wouldn't be since she moved it. TF The message might still be there but hidden. With the SENT folder TF highlighted, go to Folder / Browse Deleted Messages in the Main Menu. TF You'll see all messages, including the ones that have been deleted or TF move, those are in stike-out font. He can restore them by highlighting TF the message and hitting the DEL key. TF In order to delete messages from the folder, you have to purge and TF compress. I do that regularly, but chances are your wife didn't. Alas, that didn't work. The messages displayed in the SENT folder were exactly as they were yesterday and no other messages were displayed when I selected the SENT folder and chose BROWSE DELETED MESSAGES from the main menu. Because I had never done what you suggested before, I tried it on my computer and it works exactly as you said. Deleted messages showed up as being struck-out and could be restored by hitting the DELETE key, counterintuitive though that may be. And, as postulated by MFPA, the SENT folder is NOT configured to automatically delete or compress or purge. I have the MESSAGES.TBB file from her Carbonite backup of the SENT folder which I'll try to restore today. If the backup file is also corrupted, Carbonite also keeps earlier versions of everything it backs up so I should be able to retrieve an earlier version if necessary. I can think of no reason for all this trouble except that TB! is somehow broken and the only solution for that (to my knowledge) is to re-install TB! but I'm not sure if I can just simply re-install it over the existing TB!. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Scary message (3)
Greetings Fellow Bats, My wife just informed me that a message which was in her SENT folder after I had successfully (I thought) restored all the messages that were in the FAUX INBOX, has disappeared. She moved the message in question to another folder for safekeeping but it's no longer there nor is it still in the SENT folder which of course it wouldn't be since she moved it. Upon investigation I see that her SENT folder contains messages going back to 2012 but any messages dated after March of this year are indeed gone. The only messages after March are ones sent today. She has many folders in her TB! and I shudder to think of how many others may be corrupted. I am in the process (it's slow) of restoring the MESSAGES.TBB from the Carbonite backup of the SENT folder in the hopes I can do what I did last time. But, that aside, I'm wondering if I should re-install TB! since it seems to be broken at this point. And if I did do a re-install, what's the best way to do it and keep whatever messages are still left in all those folders? TB! is her lifeline to her world and she's fighting back the tears. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (3)
Hello Jack, On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:06:28 -0500 GMT (15-Aug-13, 06:06 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: My wife just informed me that a message which was in her SENT folder after I had successfully (I thought) restored all the messages that were in the FAUX INBOX, has disappeared. She moved the message in question to another folder for safekeeping but it's no longer there nor is it still in the SENT folder which of course it wouldn't be since she moved it. The message might still be there but hidden. With the SENT folder highlighted, go to Folder / Browse Deleted Messages in the Main Menu. You'll see all messages, including the ones that have been deleted or move, those are in stike-out font. He can restore them by highlighting the message and hitting the DEL key. In order to delete messages from the folder, you have to purge and compress. I do that regularly, but chances are your wife didn't. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.4 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (success!)
Hello MFPA, On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 22:03:53 +0100 GMT (12-Aug-13, 04:03 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: Yeah, just delete them. They are not needed anymore and just slow down your system. Any ideas why would they be in that folder instead of the Temp folder? I get them in the temp folder, and they are usually deleted when I close TB!. But sometimes my anti-virus interefers before TB! finishes, or my computer hangs, or TB! freezes, or whatever, and they are not deleted until I do it. No, I don't know the answer to that. I thought they were in the temp folder. But then, Windows is mysterious, and I find my addressbook (.adb files) all over the place. Weirdly enough, TB! always finds it. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.4 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (success!)
Hello Jack, On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 17:27:12 -0500 GMT (12-Aug-13, 05:27 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: TF I believe you would have had the same result had you deleted the index TF file as I suggested. ;-) Too late now to check. In retrospect it sure would have been easier to simply rename the MESSAGES.TBN file as you originally suggested instead of going through the procedures I eventually undertook. But my abject fear of losing all 1900-plus messages caused me to exercise an absurd amount of caution. Remember, this was my wife's TB! Somehow, it just seemed safer to do it the way I eventually did. Better safe than sorry, I agree. that's why I always rename when someone suggests delete. ;-) TF Yeah, just delete them. They are not needed anymore and just slow down TF your system. Anymore? That implies that they were needed at some point in the past does it not? Were they generated from previous versions and then just never cleaned out with successive upgrades? TB! downloads the messages individually from the server into .tmp files and then imports them into the messages.tbb file. Once they are in the messages.tbb, the .tmp should be deleted. Sometimes they are not - but since you said all messages are there now, the .tmp files are indeed no longer needed. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.4 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (success!)
Hello Jack, On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:34:57 -0500 GMT (10-Aug-13, 04:34 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Thanks to everyone's patience and understanding, I finally understood that I had to create a new folder using Windows Explorer in the same directory which contained the original Faux inbox folder. After a couple of failed tries (because I copied EVERYTHING contained in the Faux inbox folder) I finally learned that all I had to copy was the MESSAGE.TBB file, nothing else. I believe you would have had the same result had you deleted the index file as I suggested. ;-) Too late now to check. I have just one remaining question though, the original Faux inbox folder when viewed using WE showed A LOT of .tmp files, some quite large. Anyone have any idea how those were created and what they're for? No biggie but I am curious. Yeah, just delete them. They are not needed anymore and just slow down your system. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.4 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (success!)
Hi On Sunday 11 August 2013 at 4:35:05 PM, in mid:1768351342.20130811223...@thebat.net, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Yeah, just delete them. They are not needed anymore and just slow down your system. Any ideas why would they be in that folder instead of the Temp folder? I get them in the temp folder, and they are usually deleted when I close TB!. But sometimes my anti-virus interefers before TB! finishes, or my computer hangs, or TB! freezes, or whatever, and they are not deleted until I do it. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Alcohol and Calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (success!)
Hello Thomas, On Sunday, August 11, 2013 you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:34:57 -0500 GMT (10-Aug-13, 04:34 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Thanks to everyone's patience and understanding, I finally understood that I had to create a new folder using Windows Explorer in the same directory which contained the original Faux inbox folder. After a couple of failed tries (because I copied EVERYTHING contained in the Faux inbox folder) I finally learned that all I had to copy was the MESSAGE.TBB file, nothing else. TF I believe you would have had the same result had you deleted the index TF file as I suggested. ;-) Too late now to check. In retrospect it sure would have been easier to simply rename the MESSAGES.TBN file as you originally suggested instead of going through the procedures I eventually undertook. But my abject fear of losing all 1900-plus messages caused me to exercise an absurd amount of caution. Remember, this was my wife's TB! Somehow, it just seemed safer to do it the way I eventually did. Fortunately, it worked and now it's documented in the archives for the next poor shulb faced with the same thing. I have just one remaining question though, the original Faux inbox folder when viewed using WE showed A LOT of .tmp files, some quite large. Anyone have any idea how those were created and what they're for? No biggie but I am curious. TF Yeah, just delete them. They are not needed anymore and just slow down TF your system. Anymore? That implies that they were needed at some point in the past does it not? Were they generated from previous versions and then just never cleaned out with successive upgrades? -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (2)
Hello MFPA, On Thursday, August 08, 2013 you wrote: M Hi M On Thursday 8 August 2013 at 10:43:29 PM, in M mid:57198146.20130808164...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Is there any way to get TB! to recognize that there are messages which should be appearing in the message count and in the viewing pane? M Wasn't there a shortcut something like CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+L when the focus M is on the folder tree? I searched the Bat archives and found that CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+L was (is) used to find lost folders, so I tried it; NVNG. It gave me a message which said No lost folders found or words to that effect. So, no cigar. M Or maybe copying the messages.tbb file to a different folder (in M Windows Explorer when TB! is closed down), then firing up TB! and M creating a new folder that points to that location, and if that folder M contains the messages you could possibly copy them (within TB!) back M to the faux inbox folder. Maybe. How do you create a new folder that points to that location? It was too late to try anything you suggested last night so this morning I created a new folder called Experimental and closed TB. Then using Windows Explorer I moved (not copied) the MESSAGES.TBB file from the faux inbox to the new Experimental folder where of course TB had already created a new MESSAGES.TBB file. I told WE to replace the existing with the one I was moving over which it did. Restarting TB showed no messages in the new Experimental folder. So, closing TB and using WE again I put the MESSAGES.TBB file back where it was in the faux inbox and restarted TB. As expected, still no messages in the faux inbox. I then deleted the Experimental folder. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (2)
Hi Jack, do not create the folder with TB!. Instead create the folder and copy the messages.tbb into that folder. Now use the shortcut. -- Cheers, Raymund pgpJs5JSy_0Rx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (2)
Hello Raymund, On Friday, August 09, 2013 you wrote: RT Hi Jack, RT do not create the folder with TB!. Instead create the folder and copy RT the messages.tbb into that folder. Now use the shortcut. Forgive me for being so obtuse but can you expand your instructions a little? -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (2)
Hi Jack, RT do not create the folder with TB!. Instead create the folder and copy RT the messages.tbb into that folder. Now use the shortcut. Forgive me for being so obtuse but can you expand your instructions a little? The point is that if you create the folder in TB the shortcut ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+L won't work as the folder isn't lost. So create a folder, put the messages.tbb in there, hit the keys and TB! should find that said folder and show its messages. You can than copy the messages around as needed and get rid of the extra folder afterwards. -- Best regards, Raymund Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (2)
Hello Jack, On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 16:43:29 -0500 GMT (09-Aug-13, 04:43 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Well, now I've gone and done it. In an effort to fix the problem described in Scary message, I located the Faux inbox messages here: (C:\Users\her first name\AppData\Roaming\The Bat!\her full name\Faux inbox) and proceeded to rename the file MESSAGES.TBB to xMESSAGES.TBB so TB! couldn't find it. I then restarted TB! and it showed the original number of messages supposedly contained in the Faux inbox but no messages showed up in the viewing pane. I then shut down TB! again and restarted it. Now it comes up with zero messages in the Faux inbox and still no actual messages appear.. I renamed the xMESSAGE.TBB file back to MESSAGES.TBB and again restarted TB! (more than once). It still shows zero messages and of course, no messages show up in the viewing pane. Is there any way to get TB! to recognize that there are messages which should be appearing in the message count and in the viewing pane? Instead of renaming messages.tbb, try renaming messages.tbn (the index file). Make sure TB is closed when you to that. When you reopen TB, a new index file will be created. Maybe that helps. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.4 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Hello Jack, On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:22:04 -0500 GMT (09-Aug-13, 01:22 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: TF What's a faux inbox? A long time ago on this list it was mentioned that it was somehow risky keeping messages in the inbox for any length of time. I don't remember why exactly. It can probably be found in the TB! archives however. In response to this warning I created for her (and me on my computer) a faux (false) inbox to which all incoming messages were filtered immediately upon receipt. Therefore the actual inbox folder is always emptied immediately after a fetch. Thank for the explanation. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.4 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (2)
Hi On Friday 9 August 2013 at 2:35:19 PM, in mid:771782508.20130809083...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Hello MFPA, On Thursday, August 08, 2013 you wrote: M Hi M On Thursday 8 August 2013 at 10:43:29 PM, in M mid:57198146.20130808164...@charter.net, Jack S. M LaRosa wrote: Is there any way to get TB! to recognize that there are messages which should be appearing in the message count and in the viewing pane? M Wasn't there a shortcut something like M CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+L when the focus is on the folder M tree? I searched the Bat archives and found that CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+L was (is) used to find lost folders, so I tried it; NVNG. It gave me a message which said No lost folders found or words to that effect. So, no cigar. I thought it might be worth a try as TB! was no longer seeing the messages in the folder. (I think it is really for use when TB! is not even seeing the folder, although creating a new folder (in TB!) pointing to the same location solves that situatioon, too.) How do you create a new folder that points to that location? In the create a new folder dialogue, select additional and browse to it. It was too late to try anything you suggested last night They were just stabs in the dark that I might try under similar circumstances. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Hi On Thursday 8 August 2013 at 7:22:04 PM, in mid:1872367928.20130808132...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: A long time ago on this list it was mentioned that it was somehow risky keeping messages in the inbox for any length of time. I don't remember why exactly. It can probably be found in the TB! archives however. In response to this warning I created for her (and me on my computer) a faux (false) inbox to which all incoming messages were filtered immediately upon receipt. Therefore the actual inbox folder is always emptied immediately after a fetch. I've never had a problem with doing this in all these years. My version is a folder called Other Incoming where a catch-all filter at the end of the list dumps everything not already moved by another filter. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com A closed mouth gathers no foot Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Scary message (success!)
Greetings Fellow Bats, My most profound thanks to all who contributed to solving my problem. Thanks to everyone's patience and understanding, I finally understood that I had to create a new folder using Windows Explorer in the same directory which contained the original Faux inbox folder. After a couple of failed tries (because I copied EVERYTHING contained in the Faux inbox folder) I finally learned that all I had to copy was the MESSAGE.TBB file, nothing else. Having completed my Windows Explorer tasks I restarted TB and did the CTRL+SHIFT+ALT+L shortcut and voila!, TB found the lost folder and all (I think) messages appeared in the newly found folder. I then copied all of the messages over to the Faux inbox and they all appeared there as well. Deleting the newly found folder completed the operation. An extra added bonus was that the problem which precipitated this quest had somehow disappeared! No more scary error message! I have just one remaining question though, the original Faux inbox folder when viewed using WE showed A LOT of .tmp files, some quite large. Anyone have any idea how those were created and what they're for? No biggie but I am curious. Once again, THANKS to the best tech support team there ever was! -- TIA, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Hello MFPA, Friday, August 9, 2013, 9:31:38 PM, among other things, you wrote: M On Thursday 8 August 2013 at 7:22:04 PM, in M mid:1872367928.20130808132...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: A long time ago on this list it was mentioned that it was somehow risky keeping messages in the inbox for any length of time. I don't remember why exactly. It can probably be found in the TB! archives however. In response to this warning I created for her (and me on my computer) a faux (false) inbox to which all incoming messages were filtered immediately upon receipt. Therefore the actual inbox folder is always emptied immediately after a fetch. I've never had a problem with doing this in all these years. M My version is a folder called Other Incoming where a catch-all M filter at the end of the list dumps everything not already moved by M another filter. I think this is probably the approach that most of us use. My final filter is called Miscellaneous unknown. -- Best regards, Roger Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Scary message
Greetings Fellow Bats, My wife showed me a message she continues to get whenever she tries to view any message in her faux inbox earlier than Aug. 3rd. The problem seems to affect only her faux inbox. Other folders seem un-affected. The wording is as follows: --- BEGIN ERROR MESSAGE -- Cannot read the base header (Folder: Faux inbox; File %WDIR%\her name is here\Faux inbox\MESSAGES.TBB) - END ERROR MESSAGE -- Needless to say, she is freaked out about this. I have stopped and re-started TB! and have shut down and cold-booted her laptop, all to no avail. Every message in her faux inbox earlier than the above date produces that message. Is there something I can try or do I have to resort to a backup which may or may not be corrupted as well? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Thursday, August 8, 2013, 8:43:38 AM, you wrote: Is there something I can try or do I have to resort to a backup which may or may not be corrupted as well? Since it doesn't appear with all messages, but only for those earler than August 3, I'd suspect that the problem is a corrupted message received on August 3. Open the Connection Center for her account and dispatch all messages on server with it, then delete the last August 3 message and see if that stops the message. If it does not, repeat until the message goes away. I've had similar problems with corrupt messages at the server end, and once the bad message is located and deleted, all works well again. If she downloads the messages to local storage and deletes them from the server, then of course this won't work and the message would indicate corruption in the local folder. In that case, restoring from a backup would be the only feasible solution. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Hello Jim, Thursday, August 8, 2013, 4:19:04 PM, you wrote: Thursday, August 8, 2013, 8:43:38 AM, you wrote: Is there something I can try or do I have to resort to a backup which may or may not be corrupted as well? Since it doesn't appear with all messages, but only for those earler than August 3, I'd suspect that the problem is a corrupted message received on August 3. Open the Connection Center for her account and dispatch all messages on server with it, then delete the last August 3 message and see if that stops the message. If it does not, repeat until the message goes away. I've had similar problems with corrupt messages at the server end, and once the bad message is located and deleted, all works well again. If she downloads the messages to local storage and deletes them from the server, then of course this won't work and the message would indicate corruption in the local folder. In that case, restoring from a backup would be the only feasible solution. If it's an IMAP folder, you can try to clear the cache. I have also report a bug if the subject on a message has an opening parenthesis without a matching closing parenthesis which can stall message downloading. Good luck. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.4 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Hello Jack, On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:43:38 -0500 GMT (08-Aug-13, 20:43 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: My wife showed me a message she continues to get whenever she tries to view any message in her faux inbox earlier than Aug. 3rd. The problem seems to affect only her faux inbox. Other folders seem un-affected. What's a faux inbox? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.4 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Hello I have similar problem with IMAP folders, when I give too many commands in a row, i.e. - Delete message from Inbox - Empty trash. The problem seems to arise because the message is moved fast locally, but it can take time to sync the move to the trash on the server. The empty trash command is run instantly on the local base, and the message gets lost in between. Maybe à missing / mixed-up reply from the server. The solution I run is - Get the name of the local base file (right click Properties on the folder where the ghost message is) - Close the bat - Delete the local file in explorer - Run the bat. It recreates the local file from the server This will erase all messages not synced on the server, for this precise folder. Your problem is a bit different (old messages) but the solution will work. You should connect to the webmail of your server to check that all messages you want to keep are there. Also you can copy all messages to a local folder. In my case, work on messages other than the ghost message was not affected, hence they could be copied elsewhere Hope this helps Nick Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Hello Thomas, On Thursday, August 08, 2013 you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:43:38 -0500 GMT (08-Aug-13, 20:43 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: My wife showed me a message she continues to get whenever she tries to view any message in her faux inbox earlier than Aug. 3rd. The problem seems to affect only her faux inbox. Other folders seem un-affected. TF What's a faux inbox? A long time ago on this list it was mentioned that it was somehow risky keeping messages in the inbox for any length of time. I don't remember why exactly. It can probably be found in the TB! archives however. In response to this warning I created for her (and me on my computer) a faux (false) inbox to which all incoming messages were filtered immediately upon receipt. Therefore the actual inbox folder is always emptied immediately after a fetch. I've never had a problem with doing this in all these years. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Hello Nicolas, On Thursday, August 08, 2013 you wrote: NB Hello NB I have similar problem with IMAP folders, when I give too many commands in a row, i.e. - Delete message from Inbox - Empty trash. I'm using POP. Will this make a difference? -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Jack, NB I have similar problem with IMAP folders, when I give too many commands in a row, i.e. - Delete message from Inbox - Empty trash. I'm using POP. Will this make a difference? Yes, Its completely different. - The default usual setting of the pop protocol will wipe messages from the server once received. - What you do with messages afterwards is not sent back to the server, so there is no sync issues Can you copy / move good messages to another folder ? If you can access only more recent messages (than the ghost), you can try to invert the order in the message list (click on the date column header), so that earlier message are above the faulty one. If yes, then you can save the good messages elsewhere, then delete the folder with the ghost, in file explorer. The bat will recreate an empty base file on start up to witch you can copy good messages back If no, then messages not backed up may be hard to recover Is your message base encrypted? If no, the files containing the message base are quite straightforward to find in explorer. They are organised in folder matching The bat folder organisation. You can copy the folder (files in windows file explorer) to a backup location. Hence if you have problems trying to fix the issue, you will be able to recover the base to try another fix by simply copying the original message base files back. This is also true for an encrypted base, but file folder names are mangled, so they are tedious to find. Base file are for each The Bat folder two file. One with the messages, one with an index of the messages. There can be Somme more, that are backups, created routinely by the bat. These are copy of the normal files, with changed extensions I am writing from a different computer (no Bat), so I cannot give details of the file extensions out of memory Have you tried the built-in maintenance tool? Best Regards, Nick Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message
Another way to clean up a corrupt folder is to create another folder (under the inbox is fine). DRAG all the messages to it so the original is empty. Use the information tab (or just windows explorer) to go to that inbox and delete the MESSAGES files. Then drag your messages back to a clean inbox. I suppose someone will hit a scenario where this doesn't work, but it has always worked for me, especially when I get a folder that won't compact -- Rick They that start by burning books will end by burning men.? -Heinrich Heine v5.4 on Windows 6.2 Build 9200 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Scary message (2)
Greetings, Well, now I've gone and done it. In an effort to fix the problem described in Scary message, I located the Faux inbox messages here: (C:\Users\her first name\AppData\Roaming\The Bat!\her full name\Faux inbox) and proceeded to rename the file MESSAGES.TBB to xMESSAGES.TBB so TB! couldn't find it. I then restarted TB! and it showed the original number of messages supposedly contained in the Faux inbox but no messages showed up in the viewing pane. I then shut down TB! again and restarted it. Now it comes up with zero messages in the Faux inbox and still no actual messages appear.. I renamed the xMESSAGE.TBB file back to MESSAGES.TBB and again restarted TB! (more than once). It still shows zero messages and of course, no messages show up in the viewing pane. Is there any way to get TB! to recognize that there are messages which should be appearing in the message count and in the viewing pane? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows 7 Pro ver 6 build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scary message (2)
Hi On Thursday 8 August 2013 at 10:43:29 PM, in mid:57198146.20130808164...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Is there any way to get TB! to recognize that there are messages which should be appearing in the message count and in the viewing pane? Wasn't there a shortcut something like CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+L when the focus is on the folder tree? Or maybe copying the messages.tbb file to a different folder (in Windows Explorer when TB! is closed down), then firing up TB! and creating a new folder that points to that location, and if that folder contains the messages you could possibly copy them (within TB!) back to the faux inbox folder. Maybe. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Look, it's a hat! It's not going to hurt you. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
