Re: bat and router

2007-02-02 Thread MAU
Hello MFPA, I don't trust URLs, but I trust on people I know. If I get a message with URLs from someone I know, I will click on them whether they are long, short, tiny or (perhaps) hidden by HTML (you know, 'click HERE'). With tinyURLs you are also trusting a third party you do not know.

Re: bat and router

2007-02-01 Thread MFPA
Hi On Wednesday 31 January 2007 at 11:23:59 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MAU wrote: I don't trust URLs, but I trust on people I know. If I get a message with URLs from someone I know, I will click on them whether they are long, short, tiny or (perhaps) hidden by HTML (you know, 'click

Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas, M We are in a free world, at least that's what we like to think :) So, do M as you please. I do. I'm sure you do, too. I just wanted to let you know why I never click on tinyurls, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So, if you want people to click on the URLs you send (otherwise

RE: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 2:01:40 AM, you wrote: The minimum I do for *every* URL before I click on it is look at the domain. If you don't want to send the full URL (why not?), it's really up to you whether or not you want to get your message accross, now that you know the

Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Perry Nelson
Hi Thomas, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 7:55:28 PM, you wrote: TF That's so inconvenient. Why go through all the trouble and create a TF tinyurl in the first place, if it is much more convenient for the TF sender and the receiver to just cp the full URL into the mail? Excessively long URLs

Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU, On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:23:59 +0100 GMT (31/01/2007, 18:23 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M I don't trust URLs, but I trust on people I know. If I get a message M with URLs from someone I know, I will click on them whether they are M long, short, tiny or (perhaps) hidden by HTML (you know,

Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jurgen, On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:04:03 +0100 GMT (31/01/2007, 21:04 +0700 GMT), Jurgen Haug wrote: JH one can have preview links now on tinyurl JH maybe that's made for you. JH like this one here. JH http://preview.tinyurl.com/32rwwg If people were posting the preview like you did, it

RE: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 6:45:33 PM, you wrote: On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:04:03 +0100 GMT (31/01/2007, 21:04 +0700 GMT), Jurgen Haug wrote: JH one can have preview links now on tinyurl JH maybe that's made for you. JH like this one here. JH http://preview.tinyurl.com/32rwwg

Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Perry, On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:32:46 -0500 GMT (31/01/2007, 22:32 +0700 GMT), Perry Nelson wrote: PN Excessively long URLs break due to word wrap for users of Outlook PN or Outlook Express, and even those of them sophisticated enough to PN understand why the link doesn't work must go

Re: bat and router

2007-01-31 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas, Maxim didn't post tinyurls, but that's not your point. I said I would have trusted While this is getting OT, I wonder why you go through all the trouble to create a tinyurl in the first place. ;-) As a courtesy to my correspondents who don't use TB and would get wrapped

Re: bat and router

2007-01-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Alexander, On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:13:51 +0100 GMT (27/01/2007, 19:13 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK on Saturday, January 27, 2007 at 13:01 you (MAU) wrote: Haven't your heard about 'http://tinyurl.com'? Works great! ASK But why would anyone need it since we're using an email

Re: bat and router

2007-01-30 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas, Haven't your heard about 'http://tinyurl.com'? Works great! ASK But why would anyone need it since we're using an email program that can ASK handle these long lines without any problem? Sorry MAU, but I agree with Alex. I don't click on any tinyurl URLs, because it might be a

Re: bat and router

2007-01-30 Thread Perry Nelson
Hi Thomas, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 8:19:36 AM, you wrote: TF The suggsestion on this list was, IIRC, that if anybody wants to TF send a tinyurl, he should also send the full URL. I myself will only TF click only on the latter. I understand your reservations and my intent isn't to get you

Re: bat and router

2007-01-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Perry, On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:45:19 -0500 GMT (31/01/2007, 00:45 +0700 GMT), Perry Nelson wrote: TF The suggsestion on this list was, IIRC, that if anybody wants to TF send a tinyurl, he should also send the full URL. I myself will only TF click only on the latter. PN I understand your

Re: bat and router

2007-01-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU, On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:46:08 +0100 GMT (30/01/2007, 23:46 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M We are in a free world, at least that's what we like to think :) So, do M as you please. I do. I'm sure you do, too. I just wanted to let you know why I never click on tinyurls, and I'm sure I'm not

Re: bat and router

2007-01-28 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim, Haven't your heard about 'http://tinyurl.com'? Works great! I don't like it, I don't see where will it point until I click it. It's a good reason :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8

Re: bat and router

2007-01-28 Thread MAU
Hello Alexander, Haven't your heard about 'http://tinyurl.com'? Works great! But why would anyone need it since we're using an email program that can handle these long lines without any problem? Well, here (in this list) you are right. But I exchange email a lot of people who don't use TB.

Re: bat and router

2007-01-28 Thread MFPA
Hi On Saturday 27 January 2007 at 12:13:51 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander S. Kunz wrote: If you disable scripts, cookies and have an adblocker running, tinyurl won't work all of a sudden (don't know which of the three is causing it) - which means to mean that it must contain

Re: bat and router

2007-01-28 Thread MFPA
Hi On Friday 26 January 2007 at 6:17:08 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander S. Kunz wrote: A client ought to send via an ISPs/mail providers SMTP server *Ought to* based on what? What is your argument against the convenience of sending from your own domain (with appropriate SPF record)

Re: bat and router

2007-01-27 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim, 1. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.outlook.installation/browse_frm/thread/476cf8701fc0b0ea/7a9d7ec7ecec78c0?lnk=stq=outlook+smtp+ehlo 2.

Re: bat and router

2007-01-25 Thread MAU
Hello Chris, You mean the developers cannot force time into another dimension? :-) Oh yes! They can, they all do it every day. When they say that something will be ready in 2 weeks, the dimension converter will tell you that in normal persons' dimension this means 2 or 7 months ;) -- Best

Re: bat and router

2007-01-25 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Miguel! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 4:45 AM, you wrote: You mean the developers cannot force time into another dimension? :-) Oh yes! They can, they all do it every day. When they say that something will be ready in 2 weeks, the dimension converter will tell you that in normal

Re: bat and router

2007-01-25 Thread MAU
Hello Mary, You mean the developers cannot force time into another dimension? :-) Oh yes! They can, they all do it every day. When they say that something will be ready in 2 weeks, the dimension converter will tell you that in normal persons' dimension this means 2 or 7 months ;) And when

Re: bat and router

2007-01-25 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Miguel! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 6:31 AM, you wrote: You mean the developers cannot force time into another dimension? :-) Oh yes! They can, they all do it every day. When they say that something will be ready in 2 weeks, the dimension converter will tell you that in normal

Re: bat and router

2007-01-25 Thread MAU
Hello Mary, But, then, I can't see my pretty smiley images, that way either, of course. And I do miss them. Some of them are animated, especially the PCWIZE collection. I'm a child at heart, and I like the fun of them. Do you really need any of the functionality in this last version? Think

Re: bat and router

2007-01-25 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Miguel! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 7:17 AM, you wrote: But, then, I can't see my pretty smiley images, that way either, of course. And I do miss them. Some of them are animated, especially the PCWIZE collection. I'm a child at heart, and I like the fun of them. Do you really need

Re: bat and router

2007-01-25 Thread MAU
Hello Mary, So, I hate to see RitLabs abandon the .msl plus resident icons and pics in The Bat!/Images feature. And I think I am not alone in this. Smiley-image haters are simply more vocal, I think. There must be other reason. Smiley-image haters or I couldn't care less users can very

The Bat!/Images/default.msl, .pcwsmileys.msl gone for good? [was Re: bat and router]

2007-01-25 Thread Mary Bull
Hello MAU! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 8:52 AM, you wrote: So, I hate to see RitLabs abandon the .msl plus resident icons and pics in The Bat!/Images feature. And I think I am not alone in this. Smiley-image haters are simply more vocal, I think. There must be other reason.

Re: The Bat!/Images/default.msl, .pcwsmileys.msl gone for good? [was Re: bat and router]

2007-01-25 Thread MAU
Hello Mary, Perhaps, after all, it is a bug inadvertently introduced into TB!'s code. A bug that draws perfect rectangles around smileys? No way :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current

Re: The Bat!/Images/default.msl, .pcwsmileys.msl gone for good? [was Re: bat and router]

2007-01-25 Thread Mary Bull
Hello MAU! On Thursday, January 25, 2007, 10:52 AM, you wrote: Perhaps, after all, it is a bug inadvertently introduced into TB!'s code. A bug that draws perfect rectangles around smileys? No way :-) Smiley text! Not Smiley images! LOL -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.95.8 on Windows XP

Re: bat and router

2007-01-24 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Lee, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 4:10:18, you wrote: Odd problem. I run The Bat version 3.96.6 with a Netgear DG632 ADSL Modem Router and whenever I send mail there's a delay for exactly 13 seconds and then the message will finally go. It may be a problem with name resolution - the

Re: bat and router

2007-01-24 Thread Alto Speckhardt
Hi there lee, I run The Bat version 3.96.6 with a Netgear DG632 ADSL Modem Router and whenever I send mail there's a delay for exactly 13 seconds and then the message will finally go. After that messages go straight away...until I close and re-open The Bat when I get the delay again.

Re: bat and router

2007-01-24 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim, The Bat! sends EHLO hostname to the SMTP server. No, not any more. Previous versions did so but remember that now it sends: EHLO [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] That is, the IP address. Something many of us don't like. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The

Re: bat and router

2007-01-24 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim, No, not any more. Previous versions did so but remember that now it sends: EHLO [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] That is, the IP address. Something many of us don't like. This did only happen under Windows XP; we have fixed this today. New versions will not send this dotted-decimal argument in

Re: bat and router

2007-01-24 Thread Chris W .
MAU @ 2007-1-24 3:21:23 PM bat and router mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Glad to hear that Maxim. I know you guys listen and I also understand that everything cannot be fixed at the same time. Some things come first and others have to wait. You mean the developers cannot force time into another