Re: Sig cutoff

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Monday, September 9, 2019 you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Monday 9 September 2019 at 1:15:16 AM, in
M> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


>> Interesting. As you can see it didn't activate in my
>> reply either.  

M> Your cut mark in the message to which I am replying worked. 

M> If there is more than one cut mark in a message, only the last one 
M> works. And if a cut mark is quoted from a previous message, the quote 
M> prefix means it is no longer a valid cut mark as the two dashes and 
M> single space are not the only characters on the line.

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Re: Sig cutoff

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 9 September 2019 at 1:15:16 AM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> Interesting. As you can see it didn't activate in my
> reply either.  

Your cut mark in the message to which I am replying worked. 

If there is more than one cut mark in a message, only the last one 
works. And if a cut mark is quoted from a previous message, the quote 
prefix means it is no longer a valid cut mark as the two dashes and 
single space are not the only characters on the line.

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Re: Sig cutoff

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Sunday, September 8, 2019 you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Wednesday 4 September 2019 at 3:47:41 AM, in
M> , Chris Wilson wrote:-



>> I  checked before posting this, delimiter is present,
>> two dashes and a
>> space.

>> -- 

>> Chris Wilson

M> Received with the delimiter intact. But for some reason it hasn't 
M> activated in my reply.

M> I thought about looking for clues in the message source but was 
M> prevented by Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64.

Interesting. As you can see it didn't activate in my reply either.

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Re: Sig cutoff

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 4 September 2019 at 3:47:41 AM, in
, Chris Wilson wrote:-



> I  checked before posting this, delimiter is present,
> two dashes and a
> space.

> -- 

> Chris Wilson

Received with the delimiter intact. But for some reason it hasn't 
activated in my reply.

I thought about looking for clues in the message source but was 
prevented by Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64.


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Re: Sig cutoff

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Andrew,

On Friday, September 6, 2019 you wrote:

AS> Hello Jack,

AS> Saturday, September 7, 2019, 1:56:47 AM, you wrote:

>> If you go here:
>> https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/help/73/?sphrase_id=741184#6676 and search
>> for "signature delimiter" you'll find a couple of references to it.

AS> Ah, I thought there is a separate setting that can be toggled on/off. 
AS> Interestingly, this feature seems to work on some messages (e.g. it 
AS> worked as expected on your letter), but fails when there is no space 
AS> after "--".

As with any macro, if a part or parts of it is missing, it will not function as
expected. The trailing space is part of the macro.

AS> Do you know if there is a way to make it check for ^--$ regexp?

No, I'm sorry but my knowledge of regexp is extremely scant.


AS> Thanks,
AS> A



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Re: Sig cutoff

[Andrew Savchenko]

Hello Jack,

Sunday, September 1, 2019, 8:39:48 AM, you wrote:

> I just noticed that the sig cutoff "-- " doesn't seem to work when I reply, or
> maybe I am not understanding what it's for.

I am admittedly late to the party, but... How do you turn on the 
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Re: Sig cutoff

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 21:26:51 -0400 GMT (05-Sep-19, 08:26 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

> 9/4/2019  9:24 PM

> Hi Thomas,

> On 9/4/2019 Thomas Fernandez wrote:


>>> What causes GMX to perceive that they authority to edit ANY message???

TF>> First I need someone else using GMX as well to confirm, and then we
TF>> can ask them exactly this question.

> Could be interesting... Staying tuned in...

TF>> --

I got a confirmation by PM.

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Re[2]: Sig cutoff

[Paul Van Noord]

9/4/2019  9:24 PM

Hi Thomas,

On 9/4/2019 Thomas Fernandez wrote:


>> What causes GMX to perceive that they authority to edit ANY message???

TF> First I need someone else using GMX as well to confirm, and then we
TF> can ask them exactly this question.

Could be interesting... Staying tuned in...

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Re: Sig cutoff

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 09:15:02 -0400 GMT (04-Sep-19, 20:15 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

> 9/4/2019  9:13 AM

> Hi Tbudl,

> On 9/3/2019 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com wrote:

jlttcu>> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

jlttcu>> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 2:21:55 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>>> ...and now it's gone. Weird.

>>> Can someboy lese using GMX please test this, so that we can see
>>> whether they cut trailing blanks in order to "improve" customer
>>> experience?

jlttcu>> I don't use GMX, but looking through other messages on the list,
jlttcu>> messages from Chris Wilson and Feli Wilke also appear to come via GMX
jlttcu>> (using a different domain name in Chris' case) and are also missing
jlttcu>> the space, so it does look like it could be a GMX issue.

jlttcu>> Thomas, if you DM me a reply, I can check to see whether the space is
jlttcu>> missing from that, which will rule out the list software doing
jlttcu>> something to messages via GMX.

> What causes GMX to perceive that they authority to edit ANY message???

First I need someone else using GMX as well to confirm, and then we
can ask them exactly this question.

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Re[2]: Sig cutoff

[Paul Van Noord]

9/4/2019  9:13 AM

Hi Tbudl,

On 9/3/2019 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com wrote:

jlttcu> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

jlttcu> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 2:21:55 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> ...and now it's gone. Weird.

>> Can someboy lese using GMX please test this, so that we can see
>> whether they cut trailing blanks in order to "improve" customer
>> experience?

jlttcu> I don't use GMX, but looking through other messages on the list,
jlttcu> messages from Chris Wilson and Feli Wilke also appear to come via GMX
jlttcu> (using a different domain name in Chris' case) and are also missing
jlttcu> the space, so it does look like it could be a GMX issue.

jlttcu> Thomas, if you DM me a reply, I can check to see whether the space is
jlttcu> missing from that, which will rule out the list software doing
jlttcu> something to messages via GMX.

What causes GMX to perceive that they authority to edit ANY message???

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Re: Sig cutoff

[jb_lists_tb]

Hello Chris Wilson,

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019, 3:47:41 AM, Chris Wilson wrote:

> I  checked before posting this, delimiter is present, two dashes and a
> space.

> --

The space is gone when it reaches a list, and the DM that Thomas sent
me was also missing the space, which does suggest that GMX is removing
the space in transit. This will also cause problems with message
signing.

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Re: Sig cutoff

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello jb,

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:18:26 +0100 GMT (03-Sep-19, 21:18 +0700 GMT),
jb_lists...@trink.co.uk wrote:

> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 2:21:55 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> ...and now it's gone. Weird.

>> Can someboy lese using GMX please test this, so that we can see
>> whether they cut trailing blanks in order to "improve" customer
>> experience?

> I don't use GMX, but looking through other messages on the list,
> messages from Chris Wilson and Feli Wilke also appear to come via GMX
> (using a different domain name in Chris' case) and are also missing
> the space, so it does look like it could be a GMX issue.

> Thomas, if you DM me a reply, I can check to see whether the space is
> missing from that, which will rule out the list software doing
> something to messages via GMX.

Sending reply to both the list and your direct email.

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Re[2]: Sig cutoff

[Chris Wilson]

Hello Thomas,

On Tuesday, September 3, 2019,  you wrote:

TF> Hello Thomas,

TF> On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 20:09:05 +0700 GMT (03-Sep-19, 20:09 +0700 GMT),
TF> Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> Hello jb,

>> On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 09:26:45 +0100 GMT (03-Sep-19, 15:26 +0700 GMT),
>> jb_lists...@trink.co.uk wrote:

>>> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

>>> On Monday, September 2, 2019, 2:28:46 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 Funny thing, this: The cut-off works when I reply to your message, but
 not when I reply to my own. I double-checked, and yes, there is one
 black after the two dashes in my template...

 Please try to reply to your own message and see whether it works fine.

 --

>>> It appears from my message thread in TB (v8.8) that Thomas' cut mark
>>> is missing the space (I've copied it into a text editor to
>>> double-check) and Jack's is correct.

>>> Jack's messages are therefore quoting correctly, and Thomas' aren't.

>> The blank is definitely in the template, please see attached. I also
>> checked when creating this reply.

>> --

TF> ...and now it's gone. Weird.

TF> Can someboy lese using GMX please test this, so that we can see
TF> whether they cut trailing blanks in order to "improve" customer
TF> experience?

TF> --


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TF> Thomas.

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I  checked before posting this, delimiter is present, two dashes and a
space.



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Re: Sig cutoff

[jb_lists_tb]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 2:21:55 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> ...and now it's gone. Weird.

> Can someboy lese using GMX please test this, so that we can see
> whether they cut trailing blanks in order to "improve" customer
> experience?

I don't use GMX, but looking through other messages on the list,
messages from Chris Wilson and Feli Wilke also appear to come via GMX
(using a different domain name in Chris' case) and are also missing
the space, so it does look like it could be a GMX issue.

Thomas, if you DM me a reply, I can check to see whether the space is
missing from that, which will rule out the list software doing
something to messages via GMX.

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Re: Sig cutoff

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 20:09:05 +0700 GMT (03-Sep-19, 20:09 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello jb,

> On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 09:26:45 +0100 GMT (03-Sep-19, 15:26 +0700 GMT),
> jb_lists...@trink.co.uk wrote:

>> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

>> On Monday, September 2, 2019, 2:28:46 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>>> Funny thing, this: The cut-off works when I reply to your message, but
>>> not when I reply to my own. I double-checked, and yes, there is one
>>> black after the two dashes in my template...

>>> Please try to reply to your own message and see whether it works fine.

>>> --

>> It appears from my message thread in TB (v8.8) that Thomas' cut mark
>> is missing the space (I've copied it into a text editor to
>> double-check) and Jack's is correct.

>> Jack's messages are therefore quoting correctly, and Thomas' aren't.

> The blank is definitely in the template, please see attached. I also
> checked when creating this reply.

> --

...and now it's gone. Weird.

Can someboy lese using GMX please test this, so that we can see
whether they cut trailing blanks in order to "improve" customer
experience?

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Re: Sig cutoff

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello jb,

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 09:26:45 +0100 GMT (03-Sep-19, 15:26 +0700 GMT),
jb_lists...@trink.co.uk wrote:

> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

> On Monday, September 2, 2019, 2:28:46 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> Funny thing, this: The cut-off works when I reply to your message, but
>> not when I reply to my own. I double-checked, and yes, there is one
>> black after the two dashes in my template...

>> Please try to reply to your own message and see whether it works fine.

>> --

> It appears from my message thread in TB (v8.8) that Thomas' cut mark
> is missing the space (I've copied it into a text editor to
> double-check) and Jack's is correct.

> Jack's messages are therefore quoting correctly, and Thomas' aren't.

The blank is definitely in the template, please see attached. I also
checked when creating this reply.

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Re: Sig cutoff

[jb_lists_tb]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On Monday, September 2, 2019, 2:28:46 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Funny thing, this: The cut-off works when I reply to your message, but
> not when I reply to my own. I double-checked, and yes, there is one
> black after the two dashes in my template...

> Please try to reply to your own message and see whether it works fine.

> --

It appears from my message thread in TB (v8.8) that Thomas' cut mark
is missing the space (I've copied it into a text editor to
double-check) and Jack's is correct.

Jack's messages are therefore quoting correctly, and Thomas' aren't.


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Re: Sig cutoff

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Thomas,

On Sunday, September 1, 2019 you wrote:

TF> Hello Jack,

TF> On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 17:40:09 -0500 GMT (02-Sep-19, 5:40 +0700 GMT),
TF> Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

TF>>> --

TF>>> Cheers,
TF>>> Thomas.

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>> I may not be explaining myself adequately. For instance, in replying to this
>> email from you, I can still see your sig cutoff and everything below it. I
>> thought your sig cutoff and everything below it should not be there when I 
>> click
>> REPLY and the editor window opens.

TF> Funny thing, this: The cut-off works when I reply to your message, but
TF> not when I reply to my own. I double-checked, and yes, there is one
TF> black after the two dashes in my template...

TF> Please try to reply to your own message and see whether it works fine.

TF> --


TF> Cheers,
TF> Thomas.

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As you can see above, your entire sig is present in this reply. However, if I
place the cursor at the beginning of the dash-dash-space in your email above and
press END on my keyboard, the cursor goes only to the end of the last dash. If
there was a space there I would think the cursor would have stopped one space
beyond the last dash.

When I reply to the email I sent you on 1 Sep 2019, none of my original sig on
that email appears in the reply. Exactly the opposite of what you're
experiencing.

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Re: Sig cutoff

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 17:40:09 -0500 GMT (02-Sep-19, 5:40 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

TF>> --

TF>> Cheers,
TF>> Thomas.

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> I may not be explaining myself adequately. For instance, in replying to this
> email from you, I can still see your sig cutoff and everything below it. I
> thought your sig cutoff and everything below it should not be there when I 
> click
> REPLY and the editor window opens.

Funny thing, this: The cut-off works when I reply to your message, but
not when I reply to my own. I double-checked, and yes, there is one
black after the two dashes in my template...

Please try to reply to your own message and see whether it works fine.

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Re: Sig cutoff

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Thomas,

On Saturday, August 31, 2019 you wrote:

TF> Hello Jack,

TF> On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:09:48 -0500 GMT (01-Sep-19, 6:09 +0700 GMT),
TF> Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>> I just noticed that the sig cutoff "-- " doesn't seem to work when I reply, 
>> or
>> maybe I am not understanding what it's for.

TF> It workes here reliably and also did so in v6.x. You may have
TF> "touched" that line with the curser and added or substracted a blank.

TF> --

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I may not be explaining myself adequately. For instance, in replying to this
email from you, I can still see your sig cutoff and everything below it. I
thought your sig cutoff and everything below it should not be there when I click
REPLY and the editor window opens.

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Re: Sig cutoff

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:09:48 -0500 GMT (01-Sep-19, 6:09 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> I just noticed that the sig cutoff "-- " doesn't seem to work when I reply, or
> maybe I am not understanding what it's for.

It workes here reliably and also did so in v6.x. You may have
"touched" that line with the curser and added or substracted a blank.

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Sig cutoff

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDL'ers,

I just noticed that the sig cutoff "-- " doesn't seem to work when I reply, or
maybe I am not understanding what it's for.

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