Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?

2018-07-19 Thread Stephen Fleming
n Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming <mailto:casto...@gmail.com>> wrote: It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS. The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor funds the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise. Ho

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?

2018-07-19 Thread Stephen Fleming
It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS. The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor funds the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise. However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a significant fund raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we

Re: [Texascavers] Charlie Yates, old SWT caver, passed

2016-08-11 Thread Stephen Fleming via Texascavers
Hey Logan, put me on the list please. I don't think I'd seen Charlie since a ski trip to Colorado in 1975 (after I had moved to NM) but we had some good caving trips in the early 70s. Condolences to the family. Stephen Fleming On Aug 11, 2016 19:15, "Logan McNatt via Texascavers" <

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] public lands encounter

2016-01-04 Thread Stephen Fleming via Texascavers
On 1/4/2016 14:14, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm not sure how often the maps are updated BLM maps are updated on irregular schedules that usually are dictated by how much needs correcting. Some maps go many years without changes. Generally, unless there is an active land swap ongoing (a

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] [Sandiagrotto] Underground bike park in Kentucky's Mega Cavern

2015-01-22 Thread Stephen Fleming via Texascavers
Being an abandoned mine, no impacts at all and certainly nothing like the mine itself may have had. I'd say any potential for impacts would be about the same or less than the NSS had at the 2007 convention doing its photo salon and banquet in a limestone mine remade as a warehouse. Stephen

Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 6, Issue 21

2014-12-21 Thread Stephen Fleming via Texascavers
Hey Bentley, when you gonna start moderating this pissing match? On 12/21/2014 11:45, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers wrote: Well, since yur sharing with to and intend this for only me and have a suck ass name like sleaveweasel- well no more need to said- a locklear fan I hope u 2 enjoy each

Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers@texascavers.com

2014-09-25 Thread Stephen Fleming via Texascavers
On 09/25/2014 14:13, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers wrote: While this security measure is a pain to use, it will help prevent you from getting your gmail compromised in the future:Â https://www.google.com/landing/2step/ Another useful tool in lieu of or addition to the above, is to use a

Re: [Texascavers] Mailing List update and bounce information

2014-08-22 Thread Stephen Fleming via Texascavers
Me too. On Aug 22, 2014 5:57 PM, Marvin Miller via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I like to read Locklear. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Don Cooper via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Thanks again for your help with the texas cavers remailer. In the

Re: [SWR] E-mail etiquette

2014-06-30 Thread Stephen Fleming
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net wrote: Here are some of my pet peeves regarding e-mail: 1) Not responding to an e-mail message directed to you. The courteous thing to do when you get a message from someone directed to you is to respond in some fashion.

Re: [SWR] FOIA Question

2014-06-30 Thread Stephen Fleming
to or linked at http://caves.org/region/swr/FOIA.html Presently, there is a copy of the FOIA request and the initial BLM response. Stephen Fleming SWR WNS Liaison ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr

Re: [SWR] Bat hibernation

2014-06-11 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 06/11/2014 7:17, Debbie Buecher wrote: Hi ET, The cave myotis in southern Arizona go up in elevation and enter hibernation in late Sept and come out in April. Myotis are the hardest hit back east so we have real concerns for their counterparts in the West. Debbie Your statement about

Re: [SWR] Bat hibernation

2014-06-11 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 06/11/2014 20:25, Debbie Buecher wrote: I have _*REAL*_ scientific data that I have presented a number of times at SWR paper regionals that documents bat hibernacula microclimate data (temperatures and RH) from both AZ and NM bat roosts. It shows conclusively that these caves have

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

2014-05-12 Thread Stephen Fleming
Mark, thanks for the perspective (and you beat me to the comment). Translocation clearly is the most obvious cause when applying Occam's Razor. It makes eminent sense except for folks who have something to gain from keeping the human vector fantasy alive. It's not only the media, it's the

Re: [SWR] LNF sinkhole accident link

2013-09-06 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 09/06/2013 11:21, Lee H. Skinner wrote: On 9/6/2013 10:24 AM, Carol Belski wrote: *Lovington man falls in sinkhole, dies in Lincoln National Forest* www.currentargus.com A 40-year-old Lovington man died while attempting to climb down a sinkhole near Forest Road 64 at the top of Hay Canyon

Re: [SWR] LNF sinkhole accident link

2013-09-06 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 09/06/2013 11:21, Lee H. Skinner wrote: On 9/6/2013 10:24 AM, Carol Belski wrote: *Lovington man falls in sinkhole, dies in Lincoln National Forest* www.currentargus.com A 40-year-old Lovington man died while attempting to climb down a sinkhole near Forest Road 64 at the top of Hay Canyon

Re: [SWR] Fw: Cavers up north

2013-08-26 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 08/26/2013 10:02, Geary Schindel wrote: He has tried to obtain access to a number of caves that were closed or restricted access. For example, Goliath Cave in Minnesota was bought by the State on recommendations of cavers and closed to all access. John knew that most of the cave wasn't on

Re: [SWR] Fw: Cavers up north

2013-08-26 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 08/26/2013 10:02, Geary Schindel wrote: He has tried to obtain access to a number of caves that were closed or restricted access. For example, Goliath Cave in Minnesota was bought by the State on recommendations of cavers and closed to all access. John knew that most of the cave wasn't on

[SWR] A good reason to not live in Louisiana

2013-08-22 Thread Stephen Fleming
A good reason to not live in Louisiana (or Florida) Pretty impressive http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr

[SWR] A good reason to not live in Louisiana

2013-08-22 Thread Stephen Fleming
A good reason to not live in Louisiana (or Florida) Pretty impressive http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499 ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr

[SWR] FW: never camp in a dry wash

2013-08-06 Thread Stephen Fleming
Some impressive video of Utah flash floods. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yCnQuILmsM ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free

Re: [SWR] The Elder One

2013-07-23 Thread Stephen Fleming
We don't care about the record, we just want too see the video again. On Jul 23, 2013 11:23 AM, dave belski bel...@valornet.com wrote: *All, Just to set the record straight, Ken Harrington, the rat who started all this birthday stuff, celebrates his 69th on the 24 July. It would be fitting

Re: [SWR] The Elder One

2013-07-23 Thread Stephen Fleming
We don't care about the record, we just want too see the video again. On Jul 23, 2013 11:23 AM, dave belski bel...@valornet.com wrote: *All, Just to set the record straight, Ken Harrington, the rat who started all this birthday stuff, celebrates his 69th on the 24 July. It would be fitting

Re: [SWR] The Elder One

2013-07-23 Thread Stephen Fleming
We don't care about the record, we just want too see the video again. On Jul 23, 2013 11:23 AM, dave belski bel...@valornet.com wrote: *All, Just to set the record straight, Ken Harrington, the rat who started all this birthday stuff, celebrates his 69th on the 24 July. It would be fitting

Re: [SWR] The Elder One

2013-07-20 Thread Stephen Fleming
AM, Stephen Fleming wrote: A certain time Dave was stranded on rope to a most excellent rendition of an unlicensed performance of happy birthday comes to mind. The video still exists. . ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi

Re: [SWR] The Elder One

2013-07-20 Thread Stephen Fleming
A certain time Dave was stranded on rope to a most excellent rendition of an unlicensed performance of happy birthday comes to mind. The video still exists. On Jul 20, 2013 10:50 AM, dave belski bel...@valornet.com wrote: On 7/20/2013 8:42 AM, Ken Harrington wrote: 76 years ago today in the

Re: [SWR] The Elder One

2013-07-20 Thread Stephen Fleming
AM, Stephen Fleming wrote: A certain time Dave was stranded on rope to a most excellent rendition of an unlicensed performance of happy birthday comes to mind. The video still exists. . ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi

Re: [SWR] The Elder One

2013-07-20 Thread Stephen Fleming
A certain time Dave was stranded on rope to a most excellent rendition of an unlicensed performance of happy birthday comes to mind. The video still exists. On Jul 20, 2013 10:50 AM, dave belski bel...@valornet.com wrote: On 7/20/2013 8:42 AM, Ken Harrington wrote: 76 years ago today in the

Re: [SWR] The Elder One

2013-07-20 Thread Stephen Fleming
AM, Stephen Fleming wrote: A certain time Dave was stranded on rope to a most excellent rendition of an unlicensed performance of happy birthday comes to mind. The video still exists. . ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi

Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

2013-05-04 Thread Stephen Fleming
The Starbucks crowd and similar probably wouldn't make it. But, folks who demonstrate personal responsibility and don't expect everything to be done for them would be resourceful and resilient. There's survivors and victims, and adversity separates them quickly. And, some who might think they

Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

2013-05-04 Thread Stephen Fleming
The Starbucks crowd and similar probably wouldn't make it. But, folks who demonstrate personal responsibility and don't expect everything to be done for them would be resourceful and resilient. There's survivors and victims, and adversity separates them quickly. And, some who might think they

Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

2013-05-04 Thread Stephen Fleming
The Starbucks crowd and similar probably wouldn't make it. But, folks who demonstrate personal responsibility and don't expect everything to be done for them would be resourceful and resilient. There's survivors and victims, and adversity separates them quickly. And, some who might think they

Re: [SWR] Memorial Day Regional info

2013-04-25 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 04/25/2013 15:50, jen . wrote: Geronimo's is on the BLM bat closure list and they are featuring it as an attraction!?! Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups. -- Unknown ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net

Re: [SWR] Memorial Day Regional info

2013-04-25 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 04/25/2013 15:50, jen . wrote: Geronimo's is on the BLM bat closure list and they are featuring it as an attraction!?! Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups. -- Unknown ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net

Re: [SWR] Memorial Day Regional info

2013-04-25 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 04/25/2013 15:50, jen . wrote: Geronimo's is on the BLM bat closure list and they are featuring it as an attraction!?! Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups. -- Unknown ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net

[SWR] bees

2013-03-30 Thread Stephen Fleming
to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET

[SWR] bees

2013-03-30 Thread Stephen Fleming
to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET

Re: [SWR] Fw: USFS Region 2 Reopens Caves Under EA Plan

2013-03-28 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 03/28/2013 8:19, Jen. wrote: Excellent News! The U.S. Forest Service has issued its Environmental Assessment for Region 2, covering Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Kansas. Caves are re-opened under certain conditions in this adaptive management plan:

Re: [SWR] Fw: USFS Region 2 Reopens Caves Under EA Plan

2013-03-28 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 03/28/2013 8:19, Jen. wrote: Excellent News! The U.S. Forest Service has issued its Environmental Assessment for Region 2, covering Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Kansas. Caves are re-opened under certain conditions in this adaptive management plan:

Re: [SWR] Fw: USFS Region 2 Reopens Caves Under EA Plan

2013-03-28 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 03/28/2013 8:19, Jen. wrote: Excellent News! The U.S. Forest Service has issued its Environmental Assessment for Region 2, covering Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Kansas. Caves are re-opened under certain conditions in this adaptive management plan:

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

2013-03-19 Thread Stephen Fleming
savings to be had in printing and postage costs. Continuing to spend signifcant funds on a paper version borders on negligence when a far more economical production method exists. Stephen Fleming On 03/19/2013 17:26, Mimi Jasek wrote: Excuse me? Cancel our printed magazine? I think not. Something

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

2013-03-19 Thread Stephen Fleming
savings to be had in printing and postage costs. Continuing to spend signifcant funds on a paper version borders on negligence when a far more economical production method exists. Stephen Fleming On 03/19/2013 17:26, Mimi Jasek wrote: Excuse me? Cancel our printed magazine? I think not. Something

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

2013-03-19 Thread Stephen Fleming
savings to be had in printing and postage costs. Continuing to spend signifcant funds on a paper version borders on negligence when a far more economical production method exists. Stephen Fleming On 03/19/2013 17:26, Mimi Jasek wrote: Excuse me? Cancel our printed magazine? I think not. Something

Re: [SWR] Rob Jaggers Camping Area, Fort Stanton-Snowy River National Conservation Area

2013-02-28 Thread Stephen Fleming
We visited this very issue back in December 2005. At that time there was a proposal to charge fees at the cave campground and the horse corrals. Cavers made it abundantly clear we were against fees at the cave and were further disinterested in any fee structure, and especially one that

Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media

2013-02-06 Thread Stephen Fleming
In more ways than one in the WNS debacle, take your pick of these quotes: The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant. -- Unknown The fewer the facts, the stranger the opinion. -- Arnold H. Glascow On 02/06/2013 9:59, jen . wrote: ugh. I noticed they didn't have a name for the experts

Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media

2013-02-06 Thread Stephen Fleming
In more ways than one in the WNS debacle, take your pick of these quotes: The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant. -- Unknown The fewer the facts, the stranger the opinion. -- Arnold H. Glascow On 02/06/2013 9:59, jen . wrote: ugh. I noticed they didn't have a name for the experts

Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media

2013-02-06 Thread Stephen Fleming
In more ways than one in the WNS debacle, take your pick of these quotes: The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant. -- Unknown The fewer the facts, the stranger the opinion. -- Arnold H. Glascow On 02/06/2013 9:59, jen . wrote: ugh. I noticed they didn't have a name for the experts

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-19 Thread Stephen Fleming
It does not. However, Harvey's larger point about the Act (formally: the federal cave resources protection act) is well-statedbe careful what you wish for as cavers always have been too eager to accept restrictions and processes that end up being used against them, and not just the

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-19 Thread Stephen Fleming
It does not. However, Harvey's larger point about the Act (formally: the federal cave resources protection act) is well-statedbe careful what you wish for as cavers always have been too eager to accept restrictions and processes that end up being used against them, and not just the

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-19 Thread Stephen Fleming
It does not. However, Harvey's larger point about the Act (formally: the federal cave resources protection act) is well-statedbe careful what you wish for as cavers always have been too eager to accept restrictions and processes that end up being used against them, and not just the

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Stephen Fleming
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Patricia Seiser cavewe...@windstream.netwrote: Non-closure of Mammoth Cave is not just a monetary issue for the NSS. The local communities are very dependent on the tourism generated by the presence of a National Park. Not only do they reap the benefits

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Stephen Fleming
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Patricia Seiser cavewe...@windstream.netwrote: Non-closure of Mammoth Cave is not just a monetary issue for the NSS. The local communities are very dependent on the tourism generated by the presence of a National Park. Not only do they reap the benefits

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Stephen Fleming
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Patricia Seiser cavewe...@windstream.netwrote: Non-closure of Mammoth Cave is not just a monetary issue for the NSS. The local communities are very dependent on the tourism generated by the presence of a National Park. Not only do they reap the benefits

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-17 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 01/16/2013 13:54, Steve Peerman wrote: I find it interesting that the bat was found in a cave not open to visitors, although it apparently had at least a few researchers. However they have not reported WNS in a bat from Mammoth Cave itself which has millions of visitors. Granted, they are

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-17 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 01/16/2013 13:54, Steve Peerman wrote: I find it interesting that the bat was found in a cave not open to visitors, although it apparently had at least a few researchers. However they have not reported WNS in a bat from Mammoth Cave itself which has millions of visitors. Granted, they are

Re: [SWR] Pit in Magdalena

2012-07-21 Thread Stephen Fleming
If you project the passage, it's the end of Snowy River. On 07/21/2012 9:20, Steve Peerman wrote: News to me. Lots of mining activity around Magdalena. Could be an old mine tunnel that collapsed. On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: Does anyone know about this?

Re: [SWR] Pit in Magdalena

2012-07-21 Thread Stephen Fleming
If you project the passage, it's the end of Snowy River. On 07/21/2012 9:20, Steve Peerman wrote: News to me. Lots of mining activity around Magdalena. Could be an old mine tunnel that collapsed. On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: Does anyone know about this?

Re: [SWR] Pit in Magdalena

2012-07-21 Thread Stephen Fleming
If you project the passage, it's the end of Snowy River. On 07/21/2012 9:20, Steve Peerman wrote: News to me. Lots of mining activity around Magdalena. Could be an old mine tunnel that collapsed. On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: Does anyone know about this?

[Texascavers] SWR 50th tshirts

2012-06-22 Thread Stephen Fleming
) Stephen Fleming 50th annniversary chair

[Texascavers] SWR 50th tshirts

2012-06-22 Thread Stephen Fleming
) Stephen Fleming 50th annniversary chair

Re: [SWR] Proclamation

2012-06-02 Thread Stephen Fleming
, where it will not end up in a dumpster someday, or deteriorating in a closet, or eventually lost to memory. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Stephen Fleming On 06/02/2012 9:53, Steve Peerman wrote: Lynda, It is a problem -- the SWR has no physical headquarters, and we're

Re: [SWR] Proclamation

2012-06-02 Thread Stephen Fleming
it will go into, never to be seen again. I'm done with it. I TOTALLY regret even asking for the thing to be created and its arrival after the fact is not only post-climactic, it is not welcome at all. Big mistake. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s

Re: [SWR] Proclamation

2012-06-02 Thread Stephen Fleming
, where it will not end up in a dumpster someday, or deteriorating in a closet, or eventually lost to memory. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Stephen Fleming On 06/02/2012 9:53, Steve Peerman wrote: Lynda, It is a problem -- the SWR has no physical headquarters, and we're

Re: [SWR] Proclamation

2012-06-02 Thread Stephen Fleming
it will go into, never to be seen again. I'm done with it. I TOTALLY regret even asking for the thing to be created and its arrival after the fact is not only post-climactic, it is not welcome at all. Big mistake. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s

Re: [SWR] Proclamation

2012-06-02 Thread Stephen Fleming
, where it will not end up in a dumpster someday, or deteriorating in a closet, or eventually lost to memory. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Stephen Fleming On 06/02/2012 9:53, Steve Peerman wrote: Lynda, It is a problem -- the SWR has no physical headquarters, and we're

Re: [SWR] Proclamation

2012-06-02 Thread Stephen Fleming
it will go into, never to be seen again. I'm done with it. I TOTALLY regret even asking for the thing to be created and its arrival after the fact is not only post-climactic, it is not welcome at all. Big mistake. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s

[SWR] Fwd: Proclamation

2012-06-01 Thread Stephen Fleming
There's one bit of unfinished business regarding the SWR 50th Anniversary. But, first, some background. This mostly is for the edification of those living in other states that get this message, but an occasional reminder to locals doesn't hurt. Most folks living in New Mexico know that it is

[Texascavers] Fwd: Fwd: Proclamation

2012-06-01 Thread Stephen Fleming
There's one bit of unfinished business regarding the SWR 50th Anniversary. But, first, some background. This mostly is for the edification of those living in other states that get this message, but an occasional reminder to locals doesn't hurt. Most folks living in New Mexico know that it is

[SWR] Fwd: Proclamation

2012-06-01 Thread Stephen Fleming
There's one bit of unfinished business regarding the SWR 50th Anniversary. But, first, some background. This mostly is for the edification of those living in other states that get this message, but an occasional reminder to locals doesn't hurt. Most folks living in New Mexico know that it is

[SWR] Fwd: Proclamation

2012-06-01 Thread Stephen Fleming
There's one bit of unfinished business regarding the SWR 50th Anniversary. But, first, some background. This mostly is for the edification of those living in other states that get this message, but an occasional reminder to locals doesn't hurt. Most folks living in New Mexico know that it is

[Texascavers] Fwd: Fwd: Proclamation

2012-06-01 Thread Stephen Fleming
There's one bit of unfinished business regarding the SWR 50th Anniversary. But, first, some background. This mostly is for the edification of those living in other states that get this message, but an occasional reminder to locals doesn't hurt. Most folks living in New Mexico know that it is

Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration

2012-05-23 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 05/23/2012 17:38, Linda Starr wrote: I'm so happy; the *book *(112 pages plus covers) is finished! Yay! ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net

Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration

2012-05-23 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 05/23/2012 17:38, Linda Starr wrote: I'm so happy; the *book *(112 pages plus covers) is finished! Yay! ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net

Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration

2012-05-23 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 05/23/2012 17:38, Linda Starr wrote: I'm so happy; the *book *(112 pages plus covers) is finished! Yay! ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net

[SWR] gari davis

2012-05-16 Thread Stephen Fleming
Does anyone have Gari Davis' email? Thanks. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net

[SWR] gari davis

2012-05-16 Thread Stephen Fleming
Does anyone have Gari Davis' email? Thanks. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net

[SWR] gari davis

2012-05-16 Thread Stephen Fleming
Does anyone have Gari Davis' email? Thanks. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net

[Texascavers] SWR 50th Anniversary, dinner prices going up

2012-04-30 Thread Stephen Fleming
Folks, This is the last reminder to be posted concerning the SWR 50th anniversary celebration and dinner. May 26, 2012, SWR 50th anniversary celebration, Fort Stanton Cave Today, May 1, is the last day to get registered at the bargain rate: a very modest $7 for members, and $17 for

[Texascavers] SWR 50th Anniversary, dinner prices going up

2012-04-30 Thread Stephen Fleming
Folks, This is the last reminder to be posted concerning the SWR 50th anniversary celebration and dinner. May 26, 2012, SWR 50th anniversary celebration, Fort Stanton Cave Today, May 1, is the last day to get registered at the bargain rate: a very modest $7 for members, and $17 for

[Texascavers] SWR 50th Anniversary, dinner prices going up

2012-04-30 Thread Stephen Fleming
Folks, This is the last reminder to be posted concerning the SWR 50th anniversary celebration and dinner. May 26, 2012, SWR 50th anniversary celebration, Fort Stanton Cave Today, May 1, is the last day to get registered at the bargain rate: a very modest $7 for members, and $17 for

[Texascavers] SWR 50th Anniversary, dinner prices going up

2012-04-26 Thread Stephen Fleming
Folks, If you are planning on attending the SWR 50th anniversary event and have not yet registered, you might want to take care of it now. The dinner cost will rise considerably for any registrations occurring after May 1 (postmarks for mail-ins will be honored). You've got 5 days to get

[Texascavers] SWR 50th Anniversary, dinner prices going up

2012-04-26 Thread Stephen Fleming
Folks, If you are planning on attending the SWR 50th anniversary event and have not yet registered, you might want to take care of it now. The dinner cost will rise considerably for any registrations occurring after May 1 (postmarks for mail-ins will be honored). You've got 5 days to get

[Texascavers] SWR 50th Anniversary, dinner prices going up

2012-04-26 Thread Stephen Fleming
Folks, If you are planning on attending the SWR 50th anniversary event and have not yet registered, you might want to take care of it now. The dinner cost will rise considerably for any registrations occurring after May 1 (postmarks for mail-ins will be honored). You've got 5 days to get

Re: [SWR] Property by NM cave being auctioned

2012-04-18 Thread Stephen Fleming
Looks like something the the region should buy. On 04/18/2012 13:52, John Lyles wrote: On June 1, at noon in Grants, a parcel of 180 acres of forested land with a cabin is being auctioned. It is by the Ice Caves National Monument in Cibola County. For more information, look up the auction

Re: [SWR] Property by NM cave being auctioned

2012-04-18 Thread Stephen Fleming
Looks like something the the region should buy. On 04/18/2012 13:52, John Lyles wrote: On June 1, at noon in Grants, a parcel of 180 acres of forested land with a cabin is being auctioned. It is by the Ice Caves National Monument in Cibola County. For more information, look up the auction

Re: [SWR] Property by NM cave being auctioned

2012-04-18 Thread Stephen Fleming
Looks like something the the region should buy. On 04/18/2012 13:52, John Lyles wrote: On June 1, at noon in Grants, a parcel of 180 acres of forested land with a cabin is being auctioned. It is by the Ice Caves National Monument in Cibola County. For more information, look up the auction

Re: [SWR] Keeping public lands caves open to the public - strategies needed

2012-04-14 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 04/14/2012 15:26, Peter Jones wrote: It was enlightening in many ways. For one thing, I was probably one of the only actual citizens (as opposed to corporate lobbyists, lawyers and other cutthroat scum that passes for citizens) who came in to speak my mind on the issue directly to congress

Re: [SWR] Keeping public lands caves open to the public - strategies needed

2012-04-14 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 04/14/2012 15:26, Peter Jones wrote: It was enlightening in many ways. For one thing, I was probably one of the only actual citizens (as opposed to corporate lobbyists, lawyers and other cutthroat scum that passes for citizens) who came in to speak my mind on the issue directly to congress

Re: [SWR] Keeping public lands caves open to the public - strategies needed

2012-04-14 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 04/14/2012 15:26, Peter Jones wrote: It was enlightening in many ways. For one thing, I was probably one of the only actual citizens (as opposed to corporate lobbyists, lawyers and other cutthroat scum that passes for citizens) who came in to speak my mind on the issue directly to congress

Re: [SWR] Fwd: Petition to keep public caves open to the public

2012-04-13 Thread Stephen Fleming
Total waste of time. CBD does not care one whit about public opinion. They are driven by the fact that they can reap millions in litigation. This is all about money, lots of it, and nothing more. Furthermore, whoever this guy Dunham is, he continues the misinformation by repeating

Re: [SWR] Petition to keep public caves open to the public

2012-04-13 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 04/13/2012 15:15, jen . wrote: Though I admit that especially after working intimately with radioactive contamination (which is also invisible to the eye), I sometimes have a problem with suspending my disbelief with the WNS decontamination protocol, I do think that cavers are aware of

Re: [SWR] Fwd: Petition to keep public caves open to the public

2012-04-13 Thread Stephen Fleming
Total waste of time. CBD does not care one whit about public opinion. They are driven by the fact that they can reap millions in litigation. This is all about money, lots of it, and nothing more. Furthermore, whoever this guy Dunham is, he continues the misinformation by repeating

Re: [SWR] Petition to keep public caves open to the public

2012-04-13 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 04/13/2012 15:15, jen . wrote: Though I admit that especially after working intimately with radioactive contamination (which is also invisible to the eye), I sometimes have a problem with suspending my disbelief with the WNS decontamination protocol, I do think that cavers are aware of

Re: [SWR] Fwd: Petition to keep public caves open to the public

2012-04-13 Thread Stephen Fleming
Total waste of time. CBD does not care one whit about public opinion. They are driven by the fact that they can reap millions in litigation. This is all about money, lots of it, and nothing more. Furthermore, whoever this guy Dunham is, he continues the misinformation by repeating

Re: [SWR] Petition to keep public caves open to the public

2012-04-13 Thread Stephen Fleming
On 04/13/2012 15:15, jen . wrote: Though I admit that especially after working intimately with radioactive contamination (which is also invisible to the eye), I sometimes have a problem with suspending my disbelief with the WNS decontamination protocol, I do think that cavers are aware of

[Texascavers] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

2012-04-01 Thread Stephen Fleming
Current news... The SWR completed the volunteer historic building balcony railing repair on March 25. Everything was accomplished except some touch-up painting and caulking, which will be done in a few weeks. At some point a few photos will be posted online. Online registration for dinner

[Texascavers] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

2012-04-01 Thread Stephen Fleming
Current news... The SWR completed the volunteer historic building balcony railing repair on March 25. Everything was accomplished except some touch-up painting and caulking, which will be done in a few weeks. At some point a few photos will be posted online. Online registration for dinner

[Texascavers] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

2012-04-01 Thread Stephen Fleming
Current news... The SWR completed the volunteer historic building balcony railing repair on March 25. Everything was accomplished except some touch-up painting and caulking, which will be done in a few weeks. At some point a few photos will be posted online. Online registration for dinner

[Texascavers] SWR 50th registration is live online

2012-03-16 Thread Stephen Fleming
in. However, we encourage online registration as it is simpler and will give us a better idea of attendance early on. Please note, there is a substantial price increase May 1 for late registrants. Save yourself some money and sign up now. See you at Fort Stanton on May 26. Thank you. Stephen Fleming

[Texascavers] SWR 50th registration is live online

2012-03-16 Thread Stephen Fleming
in. However, we encourage online registration as it is simpler and will give us a better idea of attendance early on. Please note, there is a substantial price increase May 1 for late registrants. Save yourself some money and sign up now. See you at Fort Stanton on May 26. Thank you. Stephen Fleming

[Texascavers] SWR 50th registration is live online

2012-03-16 Thread Stephen Fleming
in. However, we encourage online registration as it is simpler and will give us a better idea of attendance early on. Please note, there is a substantial price increase May 1 for late registrants. Save yourself some money and sign up now. See you at Fort Stanton on May 26. Thank you. Stephen Fleming

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