"Do not call' doesn't apply, since the contractor presumably is not the
one making the calls.
However, regarding the list, there is an exemption for non-profits. But,
while the contractor is working for a non-profit, the company itself is
a for-profit entity. It would be an interesting question whether they
would get a pass due to the NSS overhead.
Unsolicited emails pretty much follow the same scheme.
Also, calls/emails are not prohibited for 'customers' who have a
business relationship with the caller, something we all have by virtue
of our membership.
Less clear would be whether lapsed members could be called/emailed
without violating restrictions. I think a case could be made that a
lapsed member no longer has any relationship to the organization despite
how desperately the NSS might want them back.
Regardless of the above (and the inapplicability of do not call/email in
this instance) it doesn't mean the NSS can do anything it wants with the
private information gleaned from our member status.
As events continue to repeatedly demonstrate, not only is direct hacking
of PII databases a growing problem, but also misuse of data released to
outside entities. You would think they'd notice the problems Facebook is
in with poor handling of PII (for which FB also had assurances of
integrity control...that didn't work out so well for them).
The NSS has assured everyone the data is secure, but there's no way to
ensure that.
I wonder if the NSS can afford (or even has contemplated the issue/risk)
to buy everyone identity theft protection if the data escapes the
controls? I wonder if the contractor agreement included a requirement
they would bear that expense in a data breach. If such an event is on
the NSS, that would cost vastly more money and members than anything
they ever could gain from this exercise.
Stephen
On 7/19/2018 15:36, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
I agree, this was not handled very well at all. Since we did not agree
to this, how does this fall under the Do-Not-Call registry, from the
FCC's perspective?
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS.
The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the
contractor funds the effort from sales of the rather pricey
merchandise.
However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a
significant fund raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small
commission on sales."
The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is
disingenuous in not revealing this financial arrangement. You have
to search the NSS website to find that tidbit.
Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how
to contact me and they already have everything they need to know.
Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver
info and seeks information the NSS has no business collecting.
I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome
and not tolerated.
I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information,
even to a contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide
not to participate pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data.
Stephen
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On 7/19/2018 14:25, Steve Peerman wrote:
Allen,
It’s not a scam, but you are under no obligation to buy the
product that they are making. It is supposed to be an NSS
directory of all NSS members past and present. I submitted my
information, but I didn’t buy the book. It seems rather pricey
to me.
On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Allen <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hey all,
Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the
NSS members manual. Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow
postcard with the NSS logo on it. It has a title
of "Verification of caver data" in all caps, and a Po Box in
Dallas Tx.
I called the number on the card and the phone operator started
asking some odd questions about place of employment, phone
numbers, email, marital status, name of spouse, name of
kids, grotto affiliation. Then at the end they want you to send
them a color picture of yourself, a bill would then be sent out
for two payments of $50 for the hard bound book. Or because I am
a member, would bundle a sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital
copy, for two payments of $75... I didn't provide much info,
but started questioning it by the end.
Anyone know anything about this? Is it a scam? Is the NSS
publishing the members manual in hardback?
Allen
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