Re: [Texascavers] Dinosaur Cave

[Julia Germany]

Great trip report!

Thank you for sharing it.

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Julia G Germany
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> On Jun 4, 2022, at 21:14, Marvin Miller  wrote:
> 
> 
> Kelsey Dennis and Mio Kitano joined me today to finish up a little bit of 
> muddy survey and to push leads in Dinosaur Cave. Dinosaur Cave is a 642 
> meter-long cave in Comal County. The survey went about 2 meters down a hole 
> that had been too tight for the previous survey team. Both Kelsey and Mio 
> have slight figures ideal for these kinds of leads. The next survey shot was 
> 3 meters through a muddy trough into a small terminal room with some drops 
> falling from the ceiling. The drops had been a trickle when I had first seen 
> this room last year. The room isn't really terminal because there is a slot 
> in the floor that could be enlarged to get down to the next little space 2 
> meters below but then there is another, tighter constriction. There is no 
> airflow so this is not a high priority lead. 
> 
> We struggled out of these muddy confines and headed back towards the entrance 
> till we stopped at a hole that dropped down in the middle of the passage. 
> This hole leads to a bit of walking passage in the breakdown that makes up 
> the floor and fills the lower part of the main passage. 10 meters along the 
> breakdown passage a small hole in the floor drops down into a small room, the 
> floor of which slopes further down to the opening of a small, horizontal tube 
> in bedrock. The tube is straight and clean-washed and can be seen to extend 
> at least 5 meters. The tube is intimidating (to me, at least) because it 
> looks barely larger than body-sized. Once you get into it there is actually a 
> little more space than that, and only one spot where you are scraping floor 
> and ceiling. At about the 5-meter mark you encounter a cross-joint which 
> provides some relief, and immediately after that the floor drops down into a 
> fissure and then the passage widens, opens up to the right, and drops over a 
> ledge into a small room. Bennett Lee pushed this passage and discovered this 
> room. A small trickle of water falls from a too-small tube in one wall. At 
> floor level a duck under the ceiling leads to a short 5-meter section of 
> passage, at the end of which was today's objective. At that point the floor 
> trends slightly down and the ceiling comes down to within 20 cm of the floor, 
> which is clean-washed from that point. I had tried to cram myself into this 
> lead when Bennett, Greg Mosier, and I surveyed the preceding passage but it 
> was a no-go. I couldn't even get far enough to see around the near corner. 
> Kelsey is a skinny girl and had no problem with it. There is a pool in the 
> floor just after it gets tight so she had to consider whether she wanted to 
> get wet, but in the end she committed to it and soon disappeared around the 
> corner. She kept a running commentary and informed us that just ahead it was 
> going to open up to walking - or at least stoop-walking height. She was soon 
> there and continued, sometimes in several cm of water. There was another 
> short constriction to be passed and then the passage dimensions resumed. She 
> had to stop, probably about 20 to 25 meters along, due to a boulder that was 
> filling the passage. She could see the passage continuing past the boulder. 
> Her assessment was that it could probably be broken up with a sledge or 
> rolled out of the way. There is good airflow coming out of this passage, 
> really the only airflow we have seen anywhere in Dinosaur Cave. 
> 
> When Kelsey came back out, excited by her discovery, we set to work on the 
> other passage that exits here, stacked almost right on top of the water crawl 
> below. The problem with this one was that it was almost filled with a 2 
> meter-long, 1 meter-wide slab of breakdown. It wasn't very thick so we had 
> some hope that we could break it up somehow. We took turns beating on the 
> near end, and some bits broke off easily, but then it got hard. I decided it 
> was time to employ the hammer drill and straws. I had barely drilled 4 cm 
> into the rock when my bit got stuck and would not move. The only way to 
> rescue it was to beat on the rock some more. I started in on that and 
> suddenly the rock broke across its width about half-a-meter back. This large 
> chunk fell to the ground in front of the lower passage, and the remainder of 
> the slab started to slide down what must have been a slight slope towards us! 
> Fortunately, it stopped moving after 10 or 15 cm. We then had a discussion 
> that if a survey team was going to come back and attack the lower passage, 
> the slab would first need to be eliminated. We continued pounding on it - 
> with some care to have an escape route - and eventually were able to lever it 
> and chock it in a more stable situation. What all of that ended up doing for 
> us was open up space over the top of the slab to crawl across and 

[Texascavers] FW: Notice of Public Hearings and Opportunity for Comment on the Edwards Aquifer Protection Program

[Julia Germany]

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the Edwards Aquifer Protection Program: 1) review of innovative technology 
applications; 2) regulation of aggregate production operations (APOs) located 
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Re: [Texascavers] The Cave Kingpin Buying Up America’s Underground

[Julia Germany]

Actually, it’s not a paywall. When the window pops up, scroll down to the two 
buttons “donate” and “continue” – choose “continue” and you get the whole 
article.

- julia

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Miles Abernathy
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 12:27
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] The Cave Kingpin Buying Up America’s Underground

Of possible interest:

John Ackerman has spent millions procuring a majority of the known caves in 
Minnesota, which add up to dozens of miles of underground passageways and 
likely make him the largest cave owner in the U.S. He collects and charts them 
in the name of preservation, but his controversial methods have created many 
opponents

The remainder of the article is behind a paywall at 
https://www.outsideonline.com/2414888/john-ackerman-caves-minnesota

Miles Abernathy
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[Texascavers] FW: May 2020 TX Highways Mag - Caving Article

[Julia Germany]

Hi All:

You don’t have to pay for a subscription of TX Highways to get access to 
articles – simply signup for their newsletter and you will get, for example, 
the forwarded May 2020 edition.
*I signed up via the Texas Dept of Transportation website for newsletters of 
interest to me.

Here’s the link, from below, to the Texas Caves article:

https://texashighways.com/travel/outdoors/spelunk-into-depths-of-texas-discover-hot-spots-for-biodiversity/?utm_medium=email_campaign=May%202020%20Issue_content=May%202020%20Issue+CID_cd6a1423a22063ddbc803e2ebf271678_source=newsletter_term=GO%20DEEP

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[Julia Germany]

- julia

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Re: [Texascavers] How to filter certain people on this forum

[Julia Germany]

http://texascavers.com/rules.html

Texascavers:  The Rules


One:  THOU SHALT NOT FLAME! Civil discourse and discussion is encouraged. It's 
ok to disagree, but do so agreeably.  The List Keeper reserves the right to 
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On Sep 29, 2019, at 11:33 PM, Michael Gibbons 
<6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
That's very interesting stuff.  I guess that self work both ways invader 
annoying find your rhetoric to be drivel.  From what I've experienced that is 
precisely where ther disconnect lay.
Ther majority try (by your own admission) to bully someone an opinion different 
than yours into leaving ther forum.  That's  mighty 1st amendment of you. It's 
refreshing see that someones civil rights can only be trodden upon and the 
individual simply harrsssed into submission. It would be ashame to just leave 
some be that doesnt agree with you. It would be terrible to try to ascertain 
what makes them draw the conclusions they do. God forbid the annoying guy have 
something enlightening to say. And far be it from those that know all the 
correct answers to the worlds woes be motivated to some soul searching  to find 
what makes their actions contrary to the their tolerant conception of 
themselves.
It would a travesty to gang up on someone of a differing opinion. To inundate 
that person with veiled insults and innuendo regarding his IQ simply because he 
sees the world differently. Intimidating be sheer volume of passive aggressive 
language designed to bait a response in kind. Then to blame the ugliness that 
ensues on the lone annoying guy, who simply reacts as anyone does when faced 
with bullies and person who jump to judgement without a modicum of respect for 
the annoying guy.
It's a shame that the collective majority with the highest opinion of 
themselves, find themselves so vulnerable to the ideas they dont understand 
that it causes their collective mind to snap shut. Disallowing anything 
familiar to penetrate the comfortable space they claim as their own and protect 
vehemently by any means necessary. It matters not if those means are 180° askew 
of the philosophy they pride themselves on and part each other on back in 
mutual admiration.
Its dismaying to witness the mutual admiration society in full acceptance of 
the groups tactics that dispensed with the unwanted point of view. Like pet 
dogs that were lost in a storm and found each other. For the survival of the 
pack they abandon the domestication that held them in regard with society for 
the nasty aggression that binds them to one another and insures no other 
disturbs the pecking order of the pack.
I think annoying guy guy might use the tools you have shared. Though I doubt 
you will ever be rid of him. Historically those that are treated with a certain 
level of inequality gather strength if they dont already have the fortitude, to 
resist and confront those who wish to to treat him poorly.
Smart people, especially ones that trumpet the value of fair play, tolerance 
and acceptance actually practice those traits they hold in such high regard. 
But it takes a secure self esteem and fearless ego to lower ones self to a 
level of truly embracing the unpopular. Only when one can reach that level of 
humility will they ever understand the need to look inside ones self to find 
the fault of the outsider.
He understands you. You can not make that same claim.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 9:51 PM William R. Elliott 
mailto:speodes...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear friends on TexasCavers,

I have a suggestion that might help some of you filter out the ugly comments, 
boring and inane reporting, and generally annoying stuff that gets posted here 
too often. Lately most of it comes from two individuals. We apparently cannot 
make them quit the forum, unfortunately, but plenty of good folks have quit 
because of them. And when reasonable people try to best them, the replies get 
worse.

Reminds me of a quote from the first True Grit movie (1969), "Why, you've done 
nothing when you've bested a fool!" (spoken by Glenn Campbell as Texas Ranger 
LaBoeuf)

I've had a gmail filter on one particular person for a couple of years, and it 
works well most of the time. I don't even see his stuff, that is unless some of 
you reply to him, then those replies and his original post get through to me, 
but it does cut down 80-90% of the stupid stuff being posted.

I just created another filter for Annoying Guy #2.

Many of you have gmail. In gmail click on Settings (little gear on the upper 
right), then Settings inside that. In a few seconds a page appears with menus 
along the top. Click on "Filters and Blocked Emails." Inside that it says "The 
following filters are applied to all incoming mail:" Below that click on 
"Create a new filter". Then you will see a form, pasted below. In the From 
field put (texascavers@texascavers.com). In 
the field "Has the words" type the person's name or email as it 

Re: [Texascavers] Pete Strickland's Hot Tub

[Julia Germany]

Thank you for sharing.

Wonderful pic of Pete, and fantastic history of caver-innovated saunas and hot 
tubs.

- from julia's cell


> On Sep 2, 2019, at 12:52, "mmin...@caver.net"  wrote:
> 
> I just returned home from the huge Old Timers Reunion in West Virginia. (It's 
> usually bigger than the NSS Convention; this year there were around 1500 
> people registered.) During the event they publish a daily newsletter, and on 
> Thursday this year there was a nice tribute to Pete Strickland and his Hot 
> Tubs. I've attached a screenshot. You can download the issue at 
> .
> 
> Mark Minton
> mmin...@caver.net
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Here's a worm that makes its own limestone caves

[Julia Germany]

Hi Penny and others!

Here’s a short (2 min) yet very informative video from the researchers at 
Northeastern Uni who discovered and are studying this limestone-eating clam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4crB-YKYbdo

Fun to see them split a rock and retrieve one!

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: ju...@trigrants.com

On Aug 9, 2019, at 12:21, Penelope Boston 
mailto:penelope.bos...@nmt.edu>> wrote:

Super exciting!  Thanks for sharing this, Lee.  I will try to find the 
technical paper (if any) that describes this.  I don’t recall whether we can 
attach things to these list-serves so I’m not doing that, but I have a category 
in my agnostic cave classification scheme first published in 2004, revised in 
2012 and 2016, within which this fits and I’m delighted to have another example.

Cheers,
Penny

Penelope J. Boston, PhD
Current Affiliation;
Director, NASA Astrobiology Institute
NASA Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, CA 94035

On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:52 PM, Lee H. Skinner 
mailto:skin...@thuntek.net>> wrote:

These clams eat rock to make long tunnels:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb9sob62Pk


Lee Skinner

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Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention related

[Julia Germany]

How much did your duffle bag weigh when you got home?

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: ju...@trigrants.com

On Jun 24, 2019, at 13:31, David 
mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:

From David Locklear,

In one of my post, I accidentally said a Texas caver was present at The Howdy 
Party, but I instead meant Drew Thompson.

https://www.facebook.com/drew.thompson.180


I predicted correctly that most of the internet post would be privately via 
Facebook.   That is a huge sharp contrast to the 2010 Convention.

Some of you old-timers may recall at 2010 Convention many attendees still used 
a Blackberry.

I even saw far less laptops this year.

I was surprised to not see many tablets.

My el cheapo Chinese phablet from MetroPCS did a great job,
( but not excellent ).

My body has physically recovered from the journey, but the trip did not help 
the problem that I am facing at work.   I have yet to get back in the mood to 
work efficiently.  Meaning, I am now daydreaming about 2020 and West Virginia.



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Re: [Texascavers] Pseudogynoascus destructans in Texas

[Julia Germany]

Very interesting to see it confirmed this year in Chambers Co, located between 
Harris and Jefferson counties, yet not in those two counties.

25% of Chamers Co is marshland and includes parts of Trinity and Galveston bay: 
tons of mosquitoes.

Anahuac National Wildlife Preserve is located on the bay side and somewhat 
inland.  Mostly coastal birds. And tons of mosquitoes.

The rest of the 871 sq miles is agricultural crops: lots of pests.

And some forest.

And a major river: Trinity.

Wonder which bats are prevalent in Chambers County?

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: ju...@trigrants.com

On May 8, 2019, at 10:51, George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> 
wrote:

Dear Fellow Texas Cavers,

I just received the following message from the US Fish and Wildlife Service 
with the two attached files:

“Texas Parks and Wildlife Department has released their results from Pd and WNS 
surveillance efforts for this past winter.  The results show detections of 
evidence of Pd in a number of counties in central and eastern counties. It's 
important to note that they have not yet confirmed the disease in any Texas 
bats, but they have found the fungus on three species.“

Dear Fellow New Mexico Cavers,

Pd is on the doorstep.

George


George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

<2019 Texas PD Press Release May 2019 final.pdf>
<2019 Texas Pd.jpg>
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Re: [Texascavers] The New and Improved UTG

[Julia Germany]

For those of us who no longer live in (or near) Austin, how can we pay our dues?

Julia G Germany


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Vivian Loftin
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 16:34
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The New and Improved UTG

Thanks for keeping us compliant with the details, Denise. I see this form asks 
what info we want made public. How public are we talking? You mean paper lists 
handed out at grotto meetings only? or a searchable public database? or a 
members-only, password protected page?
just checking,
Viv

On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Denise P 
mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Greetings Cavers and Caver-like Persons,

With the rebirth of the Underground Texas Grotto (UTG) as an official 
organization with IRS 501(c)(3) status, we are inviting those who wish to be 
members to officially join the new organization. To be assured of full 
compliance with all interested parties, we are NOT importing any membership 
information from our previous incarnation.
You can join by filling out this Google Form:

https://goo.gl/forms/UndMeFNq5DbmD3bp1

Dues are still paid directly to our Treasurer (me), in cash and in person. They 
are $2 for new members and $10 for all others.

Cheers,
Denise Prendergast
UTG Secretary/Treasurer








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Re: [Texascavers] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

[Julia Germany]

Live Science updated this morning their article about the potential health 
reasons for quarantining the Thai kids and coach.

It’s so frustrating that the doctor from Johns Hopkins mentioned bats and 
rabies (3rd paragraph).

Link to article:

https://www.livescience.com/63018-thailand-boys-quarantined-cave-diseases.html


- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany


On Jul 10, 2018, at 10:38, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:

My guess is that a few of them have histoplasmosis (best guess at the 
“respiratory infection” cited by various new sources), and they want to ensure 
that the doctors catch all the possible other problems they might have, 
including gastrointestinal problems from consuming cave water.

My other guess is that they kept them quarantined in order to control their 
access to reporters. What do you think would have happened if the first 4 or 8 
were removed from the cave without incident, but someone in a later group had 
experienced trouble on the way out of the cave? It’s mind boggling to think 
about how the families would have been besieged by reporters from all over the 
world—and as we can all see, there’s no shortage of international media at this 
location.

A number of psychologists interviewed on CNN have been asked to speculate on 
the sorts of lingering psychological effects upon the boys of this incident, 
and the Chilean miners of Copiapó are often mentioned (see 
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-chile-miners-thailand-cave-20180706-story.html).
 I haven’t noticed any of them focusing on the effects of having a media circus 
surround them once they are released from the hospital. :)

Diana

**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

On Jul 9, 2018, at 11:28 PM, Marvin and Lisa 
mailto:mlmil...@gvtc.com>> wrote:

Can anyone speak to the extreme measures being taken by the Thai medical team 
to keep the boys in quarantine? Is that really necessary? Are they afraid the 
boys might have contracted something in the cave or are they afraid that their 
immune systems might be weakened and they are protecting them from being 
infected by visitors?

Marvin Miller

-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Lee 
H. Skinner
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 8:34 PM
To: New Mexico Cavers 
mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com>>; Texas Cavers 
mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>>; Sandia 
Grotto 
mailto:sandia-grotto-of-the-national-speleological-soci...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [Texascavers] ABC 20/20 Special on Thailand Cave Rescue

ABC will air a special edition of 20/20 tomorrow evening (Tuesday July 10, 8:00 
pm - 9:00 pm Mountain Daylight Time) on the Thailand cave rescue.


As the next group of cave divers enter the cave, they are hopeful of
bringing out all four remaining boys and their coach,


Lee Skinner

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Medical Center



The future of medicine, today.


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Re: [Texascavers] Thailand cave rescue is now finally underway

[Julia Germany]

The live updates from Lee's first link have the best graphics I've seen to date 
of the cave, and new graphics depicting how the boys will be paired with divers 
during the sump dives.

As long as the kids do not panic, this is outstanding news.

Even better news is how much of the exit route is now walkable passage.

And, yes, the coach will be the last one out.

Julia G Germany

-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Lee 
H. Skinner
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 23:52
To: New Mexico Cavers; Texas Cavers; Sandia Grotto
Subject: [Texascavers] Thailand cave rescue is now finally underway

13 specialist divers have now entered the cave to escort the boys out using a 
buddy system as the monsoon rains could flood the entire cave system.  "It's 
now or never."


Live updates at
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live


It could take days:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/08/rescue-thailand-cave-operation-boys-begins-divers


Lee Skinner


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Re: [Texascavers] Pete Strickland

[Julia Germany]

I am beyond saddened to learn this.

When we gather for the Pond Party, we need to have one giant Safety Break in 
his honor.

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: ju...@trigrants.com

On Jul 4, 2018, at 19:01, Mark Minton 
mailto:mmin...@illinoisalumni.org>> wrote:


I was astonished and saddened to read the message below. I had heard nothing 
about Pete's passing. When/how did this happen?


Mark Minton

mmin...@caver.net


On Wed, 4 Jul, 2018 at 7:04 PM, Underground Texas Grotto 
mailto:utgro...@oztotl.net>> wrote:

Due to weather, the grotto is no longer officially floating Town Lake.  Feel 
free to go, and let us know how it was.  Instead we will be holding a toast to 
our late friend Pete Strickland at the Posse East.
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[Texascavers] Jill Orr - please contact me

[Julia Germany]

Hi!

Looking for Jill Orr's contact info.

Thanks!

Julia G Germany
ju...@trigrants.com

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Re: [Texascavers] Extreme Caving

[Julia Germany]

Nice pics, and interesting commentary, EXCEPT this about the dangers of 
“spelunking”:

Then, of course, there’s the danger of loss of limbs due to mishap or 
necessity, as in the notorious case of outdoor enthusiast Aron 
Ralston. Ralson was trapped 
beneath a boulder in the Blue Jon Canyon and was forced to self amputate his 
arm before navigating through 65 feet of canyon backwards in order to survive. 
His experience was the basis for the movie 127 
Hours.

What does his example of bouldering have to with spelunking?

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: ju...@trigrants.com

Tri Grants
Find | Write | Manage

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Mark Minton
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 21:37
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Extreme Caving


The following appeared on Facebook (posted by Doug Moore (Karst Sports)). Who 
knew caving was so dangerous?!



Mark Minton

mmin...@caver.net
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Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names

[Julia Germany]

Thanks for the update.

Would be great to go back and work on that project. Fond memories of being a 
dive team Sherpa.  



- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: ju...@trigrants.com<mailto:ju...@trigrants.com>

On May 28, 2018, at 15:12, George Veni 
mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> wrote:

Creature and James Brown dove upstream and there are still more sumps to do 
there. Downstream has never been dove. Is a bit more challenging because it is 
more than twice the distance but also because you can float all of the gear 
upstream but have to carry it downstream because the water is too shallow for 
floating in most stretches.

George


George Veni, PhD
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
and
President
International Union of Speleology (UIS)

Direct address at NCKRI
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: +1-575-887-5517
Mobile: +1-210-863-5919
Fax: +1-575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org>
www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org/>

UIS address:
Titov trg 2
6230 Postojna
Slovenia
www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org/>

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Julia Germany
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 12:31
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names

Hi George!

I thought Creature completed the sump surveys?
- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: ju...@trigrants.com<mailto:ju...@trigrants.com>

On May 28, 2018, at 12:45, George Veni 
mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> wrote:
Actually, Logan’s description pretty much says it all. A handhold broke and 
Gary made the first descent of the waterfall. That was in October 1979 when we 
broke the Texas depth record and on our first exploration of that lovely stream 
passage.

We were too excited to be phased by the plunge, but were disappointed when we 
found a sump around the corner. We bypassed it via an upper level on a later 
trip, found a second sump that we also bypassed by climbing high, and 
downstream exploration remains stopped at a third sump that will need diving.

George


George Veni, PhD
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
and
President
International Union of Speleology (UIS)

Direct address at NCKRI
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: +1-575-887-5517
Mobile: +1-210-863-5919
Fax: +1-575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org>
www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org/>

UIS address:
Titov trg 2
6230 Postojna
Slovenia
www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org/>

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Logan McNatt
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 11:06
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names

In the stream passage at the bottom of Sorcerer's Cave (originally called 
Adam's Cave) in Terrell County, TX, there is a 1.5 m waterfall into a plunge 
pool. During a 1978/79 survey by the San Antonio Grotto (SAG), a caver took an 
unplanned dip into the pool. The place was christened Poole Plunge in honor of 
the caver--Gary Poole. George Veni can provide more details if requested.

Logan McNatt
lmcn...@austin.rr.com<mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>
On 5/28/2018 9:25 AM, Mark Minton wrote:

Bill Steele's mention of Kerr Plunk reminded me of another similarly 
appropriate place name in a cave. Actually, it was in the Buenavista Mine at 
Minas Viejas. Brian Burton (RIP) had his dog along on one trip into the mine. 
The dog suddenly raced ahead and jumped to its death down a 100-foot shaft. We 
have no idea why the dog did that; best guess is that it thought it was a pool 
of water. We named the shaft Dog Gone Pit.



Mark Minton

mmin...@caver.net<mailto:mmin...@caver.net>





On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Bill Steele 
mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Tennessee caver Chris Kerr fell in Sistema Purificacion in 1978 and fractured 
his femur. Cavers from Austin drove Terry Sayther’s caving truck up into a 
military C130 cargo plane and were flown to Victoria, Tamps., Mexico to rescue 
him. The spot where he fell is named Kerr Plunk.

Bill Steele





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Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names

[Julia Germany]

Hi George!

I thought Creature completed the sump surveys?

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
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On May 28, 2018, at 12:45, George Veni 
mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> wrote:

Actually, Logan’s description pretty much says it all. A handhold broke and 
Gary made the first descent of the waterfall. That was in October 1979 when we 
broke the Texas depth record and on our first exploration of that lovely stream 
passage.

We were too excited to be phased by the plunge, but were disappointed when we 
found a sump around the corner. We bypassed it via an upper level on a later 
trip, found a second sump that we also bypassed by climbing high, and 
downstream exploration remains stopped at a third sump that will need diving.

George


George Veni, PhD
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
and
President
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Direct address at NCKRI
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Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: +1-575-887-5517
Mobile: +1-210-863-5919
Fax: +1-575-887-5523
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www.nckri.org

UIS address:
Titov trg 2
6230 Postojna
Slovenia
www.uis-speleo.org

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Logan McNatt
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 11:06
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names

In the stream passage at the bottom of Sorcerer's Cave (originally called 
Adam's Cave) in Terrell County, TX, there is a 1.5 m waterfall into a plunge 
pool. During a 1978/79 survey by the San Antonio Grotto (SAG), a caver took an 
unplanned dip into the pool. The place was christened Poole Plunge in honor of 
the caver--Gary Poole. George Veni can provide more details if requested.

Logan McNatt
lmcn...@austin.rr.com
On 5/28/2018 9:25 AM, Mark Minton wrote:

Bill Steele's mention of Kerr Plunk reminded me of another similarly 
appropriate place name in a cave. Actually, it was in the Buenavista Mine at 
Minas Viejas. Brian Burton (RIP) had his dog along on one trip into the mine. 
The dog suddenly raced ahead and jumped to its death down a 100-foot shaft. We 
have no idea why the dog did that; best guess is that it thought it was a pool 
of water. We named the shaft Dog Gone Pit.



Mark Minton

mmin...@caver.net





On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Bill Steele 
mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Tennessee caver Chris Kerr fell in Sistema Purificacion in 1978 and fractured 
his femur. Cavers from Austin drove Terry Sayther’s caving truck up into a 
military C130 cargo plane and were flown to Victoria, Tamps., Mexico to rescue 
him. The spot where he fell is named Kerr Plunk.

Bill Steele




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Re: [Texascavers] Brinco Rescue

[Julia Germany]

Would love to see a pic of Ediger’s truck with below mentioned accoutrements!

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
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> On May 27, 2018, at 14:28, "speodes...@gmail.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> Complete with toilet seat on hood with Hitler mannequin and ceiling fan in 
> the camper. 
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Re: [Texascavers] Folks, Here is an excellent article on Norm Pace, Caver Extraordinaire and microbiologist.

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Excellent article.

My favorite line:
"Since his seminal work, Pace has studied the microbes of many other 
inhospitable environments, including caves, hydrothermal vents at the bottom of 
the ocean, and the New York subway."

Julia G Germany
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Geary Schindel via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 08:05
To: 'texascavers@texascavers.com'; Cave NM
Cc: Geary Schindel
Subject: [Texascavers] Folks, Here is an excellent article on Norm Pace, Caver 
Extraordinaire and microbiologist.

Folks,

Here is an excellent article on Norm Pace, Caver Extraordinaire and 
microbiologist.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/07/the-man-who-blew-the-door-off-the-microbial-world/534246/

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] O9 Well

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Be sure to check out the fotos taken and posted by Bennett on FaceBook.

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
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On Jul 2, 2017, at 13:06, Galen Falgout via Texascavers 
> wrote:

Good job guys!!

On Jul 2, 2017 9:48 AM, "Ben Hutchins via Texascavers" 
> wrote:
Well was fixed in short order:
Thanks Bennett, Bev, and Ken. Great when cavers represent to other people on 
the land (which actually seems to happen a lot).

Ben H

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Sam Young via Texascavers 
> wrote:
I was wondering about the business at O9 Well.  Did someone get down there and 
clean the broken rods out of the pipe?

Many years ago that would have been my father's job.  He would not have gone 
down the drop but would have pulled the pipe out with his pickup.  My father 
was Peck Young, the area windmill man.  He installed that Aermotor windmill 
which stands over O9 well and took care of all of the windmills for the Noelke 
family which leases university land in the area.  I was my dad's helper in the 
Summers and I have been to many Noelke windmills but never to O9 well.  I do 
remember that he told me once that he slid down the pipe.  He did not say how 
he got out - probably rode up on the hook at the end of a cable as his helper 
pulled him out with the pickup.

Pardon my nostalgic diversion.  If anyone is interested, I have written up some 
stories about windmilling with my father on our website.  Contact me off of 
TexasCavers and I will send you the link.

. Sam Young

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Re: [Texascavers] another intimate personal story

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

To be immortalized in a Charles Loving cartoon is quite an honor bestowed upon 
very few cavers. He always uses a play on or the commonly known nickname of the 
caver. Bockbeer is a great one. Many people like Bock Beer, and Locklear.  :)

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
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On Jun 24, 2017, at 07:01, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
> wrote:

I like Bockbeer and have messed about with him a few times. He is a real hoot. 
I guess my comments about him and my Bockbeer comic were taken the wrong way. 
The last episode had him in the hands of the Giant naked women of the under 
world and Karst Walker and BS trying to rescue him. The tequila mobile was also 
involved flown by another well known caver. It had drilled down the area in 
question. BS was involved with a monster rising from a sumpmcand Karst was  
about to be sacrificed to the Cave Gods. That was to be continued.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Mallory - so well written and I totally agree.  I have zero interest in going 
to convention any how righteous I feel about the decision as I read David’s 
travails.  I also recall very fondly the ICS in Kerrville when at some banquet 
or another David set up a golf pitch which added immensely to the pleasure of 
‘just another’ meal.
I’m always so amazed by the rather sour folks who diss him.  Just don’t read 
it.  Or better yet, see a shrink and figure out why David’s trip reports make 
you so angry.

cheers,
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] The Big Dipper

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Cool foto for a cell fon.

Don’t rag on MC. MC saved you from stressing over the Sequoia. And snagged a 
hotel room. And transported your cowpoke for you. And MC might read your posts.

I sympathize with you. I have been in the same situation when at NSS 
conventions and dependent on someone else for a ride to the hotel.

Just remember: It’s not the journey that matters, it’s the destination! Well, 
at least when the destination is a caving convention.  ;)


Julia G Germany
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 00:07
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: David
Subject: [Texascavers] The Big Dipper

I took this photo at the 2017 NSS Howdy Party with my LG G6.

David Locklear
NSS # 27639

I am ready to go to the motel, but MC is having too much fun.
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Re: [Texascavers] 2017 NSS Howdy Party Finale

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

AND – you got there a day early AND didn’t have to drive like a madman to get 
there just before it was over! ☺


Julia G Germany
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 23:50
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: David
Subject: [Texascavers] 2017 NSS Howdy Party Finale

It takes a few beers to get everybody loosened up, but it always eventually 
happens.

This may be the first Howdy Party where the Big Dipper is directly overhead.


P.S.   I meant to say earlier that I nominate Bill for the "Zeb Walton Award."

David Locklear
NSS #27639

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Join Merlin TONIGHT

[Julia Germany]

To keep this cave-related, some bats live in caves.

If you have a kid or know of a kid who is interested in science and 
conservation, you might suggest they watch this live discussion with the real 
Bat Man.

Starts at 18:00 CDT on FaceBook.

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Sad News SB17

[Julia Germany]

 Hi Steve:

Wow! 

I need to go back and review the way "cave" was defined, which is a reason 
given for the veto.

Thank you, and all others, for your efforts to get this bill passed.

julia

 

Julia G Germany
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Peerman 
To: SWR Cavers Group 
Sent: Thu, Apr 6, 2017 3:50 pm
Subject: [SWR CAVERS] Sad News SB17

All,
Governor Martinez vetoed Senate Bill 17. See attached.

Steve Peerman

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you 
didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from 
the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this.

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[Texascavers] Test 2

[Julia Germany]

No replies, please.

 

 

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[Texascavers] test

[Julia Germany]

No replies, please.

 

 

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Re: [Texascavers] New caving post!

[Julia Germany]

Cool post, Ray!

Very intrigued by the last foto. Any additional info for that one?

FWIW: I found it hard to read the post on the page with dark background, grey 
font, and clouds

 

 

Julia G Germany
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-Original Message-
From: Ray Maslak 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Tue, Mar 14, 2017 4:00 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] New caving post!



http://www.exploringthisbluedot.com/2017/03/demonbreun-cave-first-citizen-of.html?m=1

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Re: [Texascavers] Graffiti Removal - Peer Reviewed & Accepted Policies / Procedures

[Julia Germany]

Another email address for Val Hildreth-Werker: we...@zianet.com

You might want to ask Val if she would be willing to hold a graffiti removal 
workshop in Texas.

At a minimum, you should have a copy of her book, Cave Conservation and 
Restoration, available via the NSS bookstore:

https://n587.z2systems.com/np/clients/n587/product.jsp?product=64;;


 

 
 

 

Julia G Germany
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-Original Message-
From: Robert B 
To: Texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Mar 12, 2017 10:33 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Graffiti Removal - Peer Reviewed & Accepted Policies / 
Procedures



Can anybody point me in the right direction to find any Policies and Procedures 
regarding Graffiti removal in caves. 


I have searched the NSS website with no luck. The best I could find is...
https://caves.org/committee/conservation/restoration.shtml



There are times when landowners & local or state Govts might come to the Texas 
caving community (TSA - TCMA - TSS or the many Grottos) to request our help 
with graffiti in their caves.


I would like to have information to give to them and if possible offer 
assistance on removing the graffiti in a manner that has been tried, tested and 
works best for the cave environment.


Regards
Rob Bisset
TSA Chairman - chair...@cavetexas.org




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Re: [Texascavers] Graffiti Removal - Peer Reviewed & Accepted Policies / Procedures

[Julia Germany]

Another email address for Val Hildreth-Werker: we...@zianet.com

You might want to ask Val if she would be willing to hold a graffiti removal 
workshop in Texas.

At a minimum, you should have a copy of her book, Cave Conservation and 
Restoration, available via the NSS bookstore:

https://n587.z2systems.com/np/clients/n587/product.jsp?product=64;;


 

 
 

 

Julia G Germany
germa...@aol.com 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Gill Ediger 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Mar 12, 2017 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Graffiti Removal - Peer Reviewed & Accepted Policies 
/ Procedures



Val Hildreth-Werker
we...@cunacueva.com


--Ediger
 



 
 
 
 On Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:33 AM, Robert B  wrote:

  

 

Can anybody point me in the right direction to find any Policies and Procedures 
regarding Graffiti removal in caves. 


I have searched the NSS website with no luck. The best I could find is...
https://caves.org/committee/conservation/restoration.shtml



There are times when landowners & local or state Govts might come to the Texas 
caving community (TSA - TCMA - TSS or the many Grottos) to request our help 
with graffiti in their caves.


I would like to have information to give to them and if possible offer 
assistance on removing the graffiti in a manner that has been tried, tested and 
works best for the cave environment.


Regards
Rob Bisset
TSA Chairman - chair...@cavetexas.org




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Re: [Texascavers] Graffiti Removal - Peer Reviewed & Accepted Policies / Procedures

[Julia Germany]

 
Another email address for Val Hildreth-Werker: we...@zianet.com

You might want to ask Val if she would be willing to hold a graffiti removal 
workshop in Texas.

At a minimum, you should have a copy of her book, Cave Conservation and 
Restoration, available via the NSS bookstore:

https://n587.z2systems.com/np/clients/n587/product.jsp?product=64;


 

 

Julia G Germany
germa...@aol.com 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Gill Ediger 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Mar 12, 2017 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Graffiti Removal - Peer Reviewed & Accepted Policies 
/ Procedures



Val Hildreth-Werker
we...@cunacueva.com


--Ediger
 



 
 
 
 On Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:33 AM, Robert B  wrote:

  

 

Can anybody point me in the right direction to find any Policies and Procedures 
regarding Graffiti removal in caves. 


I have searched the NSS website with no luck. The best I could find is...
https://caves.org/committee/conservation/restoration.shtml



There are times when landowners & local or state Govts might come to the Texas 
caving community (TSA - TCMA - TSS or the many Grottos) to request our help 
with graffiti in their caves.


I would like to have information to give to them and if possible offer 
assistance on removing the graffiti in a manner that has been tried, tested and 
works best for the cave environment.


Regards
Rob Bisset
TSA Chairman - chair...@cavetexas.org




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Re: [Texascavers] Graffiti Removal - Peer Reviewed & Accepted Policies / Procedures

[Julia Germany]

Another email address for Val Hildreth-Werker: we...@zianet.com

You might want to ask Val if she would be willing to hold a graffiti removal 
workshop in Texas.

At a minimum, you should have a copy of her book, Cave Conservation and 
Restoration, available via the NSS bookstore:

https://n587.z2systems.com/np/clients/n587/product.jsp?product=64;


 

 

Julia G Germany
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-Original Message-
From: Gill Ediger 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Mar 12, 2017 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Graffiti Removal - Peer Reviewed & Accepted Policies 
/ Procedures



Val Hildreth-Werker
we...@cunacueva.com


--Ediger
 



 
 
 
 On Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:33 AM, Robert B  wrote:

  

 

Can anybody point me in the right direction to find any Policies and Procedures 
regarding Graffiti removal in caves. 


I have searched the NSS website with no luck. The best I could find is...
https://caves.org/committee/conservation/restoration.shtml



There are times when landowners & local or state Govts might come to the Texas 
caving community (TSA - TCMA - TSS or the many Grottos) to request our help 
with graffiti in their caves.


I would like to have information to give to them and if possible offer 
assistance on removing the graffiti in a manner that has been tried, tested and 
works best for the cave environment.


Regards
Rob Bisset
TSA Chairman - chair...@cavetexas.org




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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] How to photograph a cave

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Dave!

Thank you for your reply.  I figured you might have had interactions with NGS 
over the years.

I understand about not making the comparisons. As I mentioned in my post, I am 
very prejudiced - I love your work, and feel privileged that I get to see so 
much of it. You are very kind to share it with the caving community.

julia

 

 

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From: Dave Bunnell <davebunn...@comcast.net>
To: Julia Germany <germa...@aol.com>; jerryatkin <jerryat...@aol.com>; skinner 
<skin...@thuntek.net>; swrcavers <swrcav...@googlegroups.com>; texascavers 
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Sent: Thu, Feb 23, 2017 3:14 pm
Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] How to photograph a cave



Thanks Julia though I would not be  inclined to make such a comparison of 
my own work with other major  photographers. I definitely think Robbie is 
one of the Top Guns  these days, doing some great work. 
  
  I've had frustratingly close encounters with NGS, and have been on  4 
expedtions they helped sponsor.  My stuff has appeared on the  website, and 
twice almost in the main mag, and once actually in  the mag was a shot I 
set up in Lake of the Blue Giants by placing  underwater lights, but the 
photographer floating on top got the  only credit. I've had stuff in NGS 
Adventure, and was about the  have a big spread from our Xe Bang Fair river 
cave in Laos at  last, when they folded the whole magazine a month before! 
The only  sure way to get in is if they hire you to do a shoot.
  
  Dave
  
  On 2/22/2017 9:48 AM, Julia Germany wrote:



 While these fotos are nice and all..

Dave Bunnell's are waay better.  (Maybe I am
prejudiced!)

SO - Dave - when are you gonna be on the cover of NG, and   
 have a major article/foto spread??

:)


julia
  

 


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If you like  Robbie's photos, then check out his portfolio 
gallery  on his website.
  
  http://www.shonephotography.com/portfolios/
  
  Jerry Atkinson.
 


 


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>From the National Geographic website today:
  

  
  
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] How to photograph a cave

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 While these fotos are nice and all..

Dave Bunnell's are waay better.  (Maybe I am prejudiced!)

SO - Dave - when are you gonna be on the cover of NG, and have a major 
article/foto spread??

:)


julia

 

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To: skinner ; swrcavers ; 
texascavers ; members 
Sent: Tue, Feb 21, 2017 6:27 pm
Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] How to photograph a cave


If you like Robbie's photos, then check out his portfolio gallery on his 
website.

http://www.shonephotography.com/portfolios/

Jerry Atkinson.
 

 

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Sent: Tue, Feb 21, 2017 1:08 pm
Subject: [SWR CAVERS] How to photograph a cave



>From the National Geographic website today:




http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/02/how-to-photograph-a-cave/




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Re: [Texascavers] A caver celebrity ??

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

H - having him rappel into a cave with a man who has been dead 20 
years..

 

 

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-Original Message-
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Subject: [Texascavers] A caver celebrity ??



According to the newest advertisement by LG Mobile, David Angel is an "expert 
caver," and so you should buy LG phones and products because he recommends 
them.   It shows him rappelling in a cave.


But instead of partnering him up with someone credible  like Jacques Cousteau, 
they match him up with a street parkourist.


David Locklear
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[Texascavers] Property with Cave for sale - Bloomington, IN

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Received an email today from a real estate agent alerting me to a property for 
sale in Bloomington, IN that includes a cave.  Property is 88.36 acres.

Click on the link below and scroll through the pics (there are 23). Pics 11-13 
show the sink entrance; looks interesting. No pics inside the cave.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7318-W-Eller-Rd-Bloomington-IN-47403/2113160540_zpid/

Just up the road from the property is Karst Farm Park. Interesting name.

 

 

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[Texascavers] Fwd: sinkholes and salamanders (and other unrelated stuff)

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 

 

Julia G Germany
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-Original Message-
From: San Marcos River Foundation 
To: germanyj 
Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2016 1:56 pm
Subject: Voting, sinkholes and salamanders

















  Voting, Sinkholes, Salamanders  Dec. 5, 
2016
































Dear SMRFers: 
 
 
VOTE PLEASE!  It is astonishing how few people remember that a Mayor and two 
Council Members runoff election is going on, so talk it up among your family 
and friends this week especially.  Wear your "I Voted" sticker every day, send 
emails, facebook posts, text messages and just plain call your family and 
friends too.  Tell people remember to vote TODAY, Monday, from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. 
at the Government Center, or Tuesday through Friday this week from 8 a.m. to 5 
p.m. at that site. Also, today from 7 to 7 is the last day the Broadway Early 
Vote site will be open for early voting! And then tomorrow Tues and Wed, from 
11 to 7 the campus early voting will be going on at the LBJ Student Center.  
Then the actual Election Day is next Tuesday, Dec. 13th but do not wait for 
that. Please early vote this week, in case something interrupts your day on the 
13th, preventing you from voting!   Voting in these local elections is 
extremely important in the issues that affect you personally the most, right 
here in San Marcos.  http://www.Vote411.com still has these 3 races posted, 
with answers from candidates there from the LWV questionnaires distributed in 
Sept. . 
 
SINKHOLE:  We heard of a sinkhole just west of IH 35 at 410 by listening to the 
news from San Antonio this morning.  Last night there was this big sinkhole 
formed in SA which swallowed two cars. It just looked like a puddle of water in 
the dark, but it was a deep hole.  One man was rescued, but a female deputy 
(and the police vehicle) have not yet been recovered from the hole.  One report 
was that it was a sewer line which caused the sinkhole, which is very 
frightening news indeed.  Stay tuned to SA stations to learn more.  Apparently 
there were four major sewer line overflows yesterday there.  Often water line 
breaks cause sinkholes, because of the force of the leaking water tearing away 
at the soil, but in this case,  perhaps the rains caused a lot of inflow into 
sewer lines, where there are breaks, and this caused the problem.  We will know 
more later about whether this is on the recharge or contributing zone.  
 
BLIND SALAMANDERS MISSING:   One of the articles about this Thanksgiving Day 
mystery mentioned that the SMARC staff are investigating whether some predator 
like a raccoon could have fished the salamanders out of the aquariums. But they 
did not find any obvious evidence of that, in the first day the salamanders 
were missing. Since then the investigation process is keeping the SMARC and 
police from being talkative about the work they are doing on the case.  The 
blind salamanders disappeared over Thanksgiving, and the police were called in 
to investigate, since these are very precious salamanders.  They are aquifer 
dwellers underground, and are often are ejected from a spring and captured 
because they cannot survive in the creeks and rivers.   They are kept at SMARC 
so that research can be done on how to keep them healthy, reproducing and 
growing well in captivity.  The refugium at SMARC is just that---a refuge that 
is charged with keeping this endangered species alive if the aquifer is 
polluted or dries up.  If that happened some salamanders might have to live in 
aquariums at SMARC for a while.  Then once the natural habitat improves or is 
cleaned up, that species could be reintroduced to its natural habitat.  I know 
that everyone at the refugium is doing all they can to be sure this case is 
solved, and most of all, prevented from ever happening again.  Even the 
salamanders at the Meadows Center are now 

Re: [Texascavers] video of TCR 2016 by Dorothy Mladenka

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Dorothy!

Those were great fun! Enjoyed the "selfies" at the end.  :)

Miss you,
julia

 

 

Julia G Germany
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-Original Message-
From: Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
To: Cave Texas 
Cc: Dorothy Mladenka 
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2016 11:15 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] video of TCR 2016 by Dorothy Mladenka



DorothyMladenka in Houston asked me to send this link because she is
not a subscriber to the texascavers list.

It is a 4:19 minute  silent video she put on youtube of the Texas Caver 
   Reunion 2016 at Paradise Canyon.
  
 She describes it as a "digital "8mm" movie recorded by dorothy
mladenka. I shot this on an ipod touch using the app iSupr8. Ilike the 
funkiness of this app."


2016 TCR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9PIcxwarD4=youtu.be   
   
  
  You can also see her videos of previous TCRs that she took with  her 
tiny VQ2005 toy camera. Lots of fun people shots.
  
  2014 TCR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3pgt9PdqoU
  
  2011 TCRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_gW4Y0RmA
  
  Logan McNatt
  lmcn...@austin.rr.com

  
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[Texascavers] Periscope upgrades live streams....

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 
Periscope upgrades live streams, lets brands sponsor content
Periscope is upgrading its live streams to allow creators to include graphics 
and pre-recorded content. Twitter is also letting brands sponsor Periscope live 
streams with the option to include pre-roll spots.
 Mashable(9/1),   Marketing Land(9/1)  
 
http://mashable.com/2016/09/01/twitter-periscope-sponsor/#yyI5G_Q6OuqJ

http://marketingland.com/twitters-periscope-tests-adding-pre-recorded-video-graphics-live-broadcasts-190175






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Re: [Texascavers] whirlpool cave in the news (sorta)

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Thank you, Katie. That was an interesting article. Loved the German mythology 
the writer chose to incorporate.

I am also thrilled that the artist, Cherina, had been a protégé of Henry Moore. 
I am a HUGE fan of Henry Moore's work. I would love to have the piece, but 
unless Don B. is willing to sell it really cheap, I am out of luck.  I could 
arrange for the transport though. :)

Cool foto, LowGun!

julia

 

 

Julia G Germany
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-Original Message-
From: Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
To: Katie Arens ; Cave Texas 
; Don Broussard 
Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2016 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] whirlpool cave in the news (sorta)

Katie, thanks for sending the link to Ken Herman's article about the 
sculpture that Don Broussard inherited.  Don is not on this list or 
subscribe to the newspaper, so I called him and am sending the link to 
the article.  Don told me that if anyone wants to buy it, contact him.  
Delivery not included.

Attached is a photo I took of Ken, Don, and the sculpture a couple of 
weeks ago.

Logan McNatt
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Re: [Texascavers] Trip Report #4 of 10 - ILL CAVER

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Who is he referring to:
 


But now there is a ill caver hospitalized that needs help far more than me.

 
Is this someone at the convention?


 

Julia G Germany
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-Original Message-
From: Charles Loving via Texascavers 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Trip Report #4 of 10



>From Bockbeer's post Who gives a damn wether or not he stays in a Motel Six in 
>or near El Paso. An why does his truck overheat. Mine never has in 15 years. 


On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:28 PM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:

I have not posted anything here, because I have had an uneventful trip, and 
very poor phone service, and practically no internet.   T-Mobile SUCKS for 
road-trips.
I accomplished most of my goals, but sort of did each in a mediocre way.I 
ended up touring Lehman Cave twice as my day was shot.  I was there concerned 
about driving to Ely in the heat of the afternoon, as I thought incorrectly 
that I had a stuck thermostat.I rigged a 1/2" twisted nylon rope to my hood 
and propped it open 3 inches and drove back to Ely for nearly 2 hours for what 
is normally a 45 minute drive.
I was really surprised to see Mrs. Etsy Pape at the event.And I was sad 
that people I had hoped to see where not there. 
One can glorify this journey of mine if they wish, but the truth is that it was 
insanely retarded.
I just lucked out that my new SUV is so awesome.  
I am bound for Houston as of Wednesday afternoon and I am just north of Phoenix 
letting the radiator to cool off to install a new radiator cap and top off the 
coolant.
I have verified the Sonoran Desert is hot in the mid-day of July.
I will most likely end up in a $ 40 motel tonight near El Paso.

My first work-delivery is in Huntsville, Texas on Thursday night.   But that 
will most likely change in the next 24 hours.
Numerous generous cavers knudged me onward, pledging to sponsor my journey.   I 
have collected $ 40 so far, but that was a humongous help.
I set up a Chase Quikpay and PayPal just in case, using my email at
dlocklea...@gmail.com
But now there is a ill caver hospitalized that needs help far more than me.
I will eventually get home, just later than estimated. 
David Locklear
NSS #27639

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Re: [Texascavers] Comal County Caving

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi George!

Very cool that there will be an updated report on this area.

Is there a way to get a notification from the USGS that the report is 
available?  If not, and if you are allowed, please do let us know when the 
report is published.

Thank you,
julia

 

 

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From: George Veni via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2016 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Comal County Caving

The geology there is the upper member of the Glen Rose. The USGS is publishing 
a report with the latest detailed mapping of the area. I was asked to review 
the draft and can't say much until they release the final report, but they 
subdivided the upper Glen Rose into several units that nicely match the unit 
thicknesses as interpolated by cave depths. Once the map is published, the data 
should be digitally available on line.

George


George Veni, PhD
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Logan McNatt via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 21:30
To: Cave Texas ; Marvin Miller 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Comal County Caving

Marvin,
 Thanks for your report on today's trip by Bexar Grotto cavers to Kleck Park in 
Comal County. Refreshing to read a caving trip report on the texascavers list. 
Hope it will encourage other Texas cavers to send their reports. There is a lot 
of caving going on in Texas but much of it doesn't seem to be reported, at 
least here.

What is the geology in Kleck Park that has resulted in so many karst features?

Logan McNatt
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Charles!

Many thanks for posting the rules. I am sure I must have read them in the way 
back when I first joined.

Having not read these rules in many years, I made the wrong assumption that 
topics posted here must be cave(r)-related.

Like you, I take advantage of the warning David provides to "delete now" if I 
am not interested.

Again, thank you for re-posting the link to the 4 simple rules to follow while 
a member of this listserv.

And, many thanks for remaining our thoughtful moderator. I very much appreciate 
the time you put into making this listserv function. 

Happy caving!
julia 

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
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> On Jul 8, 2016, at 15:29, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html
> 
> David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.
> 
> I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that this 
> list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has sent out, 
> send them a private message if possible. 
> 
> If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and 
> take over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a 
> message and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.
> 
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> list owner
> wo...@justfamily.org
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> 
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> Hi Frank!
>> 
>> We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
>> other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
>> in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.
>> 
>> I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
>> "delete now if you don't want to read it."
>> 
>> However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
>> the purpose of cave-related posts.
>> 
>> I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book 
>> pages.
>> 
>> Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David 
>> post any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, 
>> even politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues 
>> to improperly use this listserv.
>> 
>> julia
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - from julia's cell
>> 
>> Julia G Germany
>> c: 281.979.9208
>> e: germa...@aol.com
>> 
>> > On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
>> > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
>> > caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
>> > unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from 
>> > David Locklear.
>> > I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded 
>> > my inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
>> > Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
>> > suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Frank Binney
>> > NSS 10816 Fellow
>> > i...@frankbinney.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Frank!

We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.

I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
"delete now if you don't want to read it."

However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
the purpose of cave-related posts.

I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book pages.

Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David post 
any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, even 
politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues to 
improperly use this listserv.

julia 



- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: germa...@aol.com

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
> caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
> unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David 
> Locklear. 
> I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
> inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
> Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
> suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
> Thanks,
> Frank Binney
> NSS 10816 Fellow
> i...@frankbinney.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Saturday Cave Dig in New Braunfels (July 2)

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

You know you jinxed any hope of finding a good vertical drop by suggesting 
folks bring vertical gear. ;)

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: germa...@aol.com

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 07:45, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> We have been contacted by the Lachance's and have arranged another trip to 
> the Lachance Cave dig located in New Braunfels, Texas. The cave is also known 
> as Bob Cowell's Hole as he dug in the cave a lot in the 80's.
> 
> We'll leave San Antonio at 8:30 am on Saturday, July 2 for a day of fun in 
> the cave. We'll knock off when it gets too hot for those on the surface and 
> find a place to hop in the Guadalupe River. We can meet at 9 am at the cave.
> 
> If folks are interested, we can eat in the afternoon/evening at Cooper's 
> Barbeque. If it gets hot early, we can always go tubing in Comal Springs or 
> Guadalupe River.
> 
> What to bring. Helmet, light, gloves, kneepads, change of clothes, and any 5 
> gallon buckets and digging tools you may have.
> 
> Lawn Chair, lunch, drinks.
> 
> If you have vertical gear, you might want to bring it in case we get lucky.
> 
> The cave is a 20 foot hands and knees crawl to a 10 foot down climb followed 
> by a 15 foot down climb to a horizontal dig.
> 
> This cave takes a large volume of water and will actually flood the nearby 
> home during heavy rains. The owners have said that the cave appears to have 
> opened up since the last large rain.
> 
> Who knows, the cave may now be washed open. The owners have installed a 
> ladder to make access to the 15 foot drop easier.
> 
> The cave drains a fairly large area and is located north and west of Comal 
> Springs on the north side of the Guadalupe River. We estimate the depth to 
> the water table is 250 feet with water entering the cave discharging at San 
> Marcos Springs, 20 miles to the north.
> 
> This area has excellent potential for a very large cave.
> 
> So, please email me for additional information if you would like to go.
> 
> Geary Schindel
> 210.326.1576 cell
> 
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[Texascavers] Batboy is back, and better than ever (cave included)

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 “Hold your Bat Boy, touch your Bat Boy, no more need to hide! Know your Bat 
Boy, love your Bat Boy, don't deny your beast inside! Ah, ah, ah!”

On stage, in Houston, through 24 July.


Here's the full review: 
http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/bat-boy-the-musical-a-bat-boys-gotta-do-what-a-bat-boys-gotta-do-8517856
  


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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Scott!

Please add your email address to your signature block. 

I would bet there are folks on this listserv who would be willing to discuss 
off-list your non-Powell's gate project fundraising concerns/comments.

We don't want to lose good cavers and grotto leaders like you!

julia

 

 

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From: Scott C via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2016 9:29 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :



Jerry,


Thanks! I really appreciate your thoughtful response and the information. Some 
of these steps I've been pursuing, but others are good insights that I haven't. 
Sometimes, this issue just really frustrates me. It's good to know that other 
people feel this way, too. However, it's sad to learn that this has been an 
ongoing issue for such a long time. Most everybody that I have met & caved with 
in our grotto and in the Texas caving community so far have been really solid 
people who are enthusiastic about caving and open to helping those around them 
enjoy the sport. I've learned from talking with some of these people though 
that there is an undercurrent of frustration with some of the seeming cliquish 
or closed off nature of cave access sometimes which discourages pursuit of the 
sport. Since I have come to really love caving, I hate to see people get 
discouraged, because of some sort of systemic problem. Anyways...Hopefully, 
with the continued awesome work of organizations like TCMA, etc... and behind 
the scenes work of individual cavers who are talking with landowners, more of 
these Texas caves can be opened up to the Texas caving community at large via 
grotto trips, etc...


Sincerely,


Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 12, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Jerry via Texascavers 
 wrote:



Scott,

You are not alone; this has been an issue for decades.  To find out about Texas 
caves in general, I suggest getting the guidebook "The Caves and Karst of 
Texas" which is available for $15to TSA and NSS members from the Texas 
Speleological Survey. Other county-specific publications on Texas caves are 
available for free download from the TSS website.

To go caving, you have several options:
1.) Participate in TSA, TCMA, and TSS projects which are advertised on the 
various Facebook pages and the TexasCavers listserve.
2.) Get the elder members of your grotto to coordinate more trips for the 
members
3.) Mingle with folks at the TSA Convention and TCR that are involved with 
caving in areas and caves that you are interested in
4.) Directly ask specific cave landowner contacts for a trip.

You probably will have to get out of your comfort zone a bit to get things 
moving, but your interest and motivation will win the hearts and minds of your 
fellow cavers.

Jerry Atkinson
Texas Speleological Survey


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To: texascavers 
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :



Carl,


Very interesting article :) Thanks! Sounds like a cool cave I and others in our 
grotto would love to explore! 


I might be wrong in this, but it seems like to me there might be a number of 
these types of cool caves. Caves that were very popular in past years, but for 
some reason or another, currently, a lot of newer cavers never here about them 
anymore or don't seem to have access. I completely understand the issue of 
landowner relations that you brought up in your article. It's just kind of sad 
to me that more grotto members don't have access or knowledge of a lot of these 
caves. I really hope that we can move to increase knowledge and access to these 
awesome caves. I'd love to explore them, and I know a lot of other newer cavers 
would as well. I mean we regularly here about and plan trips to Robber Baron, 
Whirlpool, Logan's, Airman's, now O-9 Well, and Deep & Punkin' which are 
awesome! However, the same small slate of caves kind of get stale after a 
while. But then Midnight and others are right there in Carta Valley, and the 
majority of us can't get into them. Only a small group with special access 
visits them. That also happens with Perry Water Cave, and a number of other 
caves in Texas. However, when we take our yearly grotto trip up to TAG, even 
though we're total outsiders, we can get permits and visit tons of outstanding 
caves! I just wish that here in our home state it didn't feel so restricted, 
and like some sort of back-channel type of system for individuals or grottos to 
visit all the terrific caves our state has to offer. Thanks.


Are you going to be at NSS this year? I'd like to check out your book. 


Sincerely,


Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer
 



 
 
 
 On Saturday, 

Re: [Texascavers] Epic Bexar Grotto Presentation this Monday

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Would the presenter consider presenting this presentation in one of those large 
far away cities?
 

 

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From: Bennett Lee via Texascavers 
To: bexargrotto ; 'texascavers@texascavers.com' 

Sent: Sat, May 21, 2016 6:16 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Epic Bexar Grotto Presentation this Monday



This Monday's Bexar Grotto meeting will have one of the most epic presentations 
ever. It's a hands-on knot tying workshop. I've personally spent days 
photographing numerous knots and how to tie them step-by-step. It makes Knots 
by Grog look like crap. Well, OK, Knots by Grog is really awesome, but my 
presentation includes some unique tying methods, including a way to tie a 
perfectly sized Alpine Butterfly in just 3 seconds! That's right! Perfect 
length and only 3 seconds to tie! You will NOT find this method in Ashley Book 
of Knots or On Rope or Animated Knots by Grog. And I have unique methods for 
other knots in my presentation, too.
 
If you're new to caving and knots, you definitely don't want to miss this. Even 
if you're experienced, you don't want to miss the unique ways to tie these 
well-known caving knots. If you're somewhere far from San Antonio, like Houston 
or Dallas, it's worth using some vacation time or calling in sick to work so 
you can come see this epic presentation.
 
Bexar Grotto, 7pm–9pm
Monday, May 23, 2016
Chester's Hamburgers
1006 NE Interstate 410 Loop
San Antonio, TX 78209
 
If anyone has extra rope sections, about 6–10 feet (2–3m) long, please bring 
them. I will have many available, but I probably won't have enough for everyone.
 
--Bennett

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[Texascavers] Fwd: AGI Partners with MAPPT™

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 API offering discounts to non-profits, universities.  See below.

 

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas NSS Members--some statistics

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

So, I guess, based on zip code density, that Austin really is the center of the 
caving universe. ;)
 


ZIP CODES WITH THE MOST NSS MEMBERS: the 787xx zip code in Austin,Texas 
ranks 8th, with 85
Georgia has 3 zip codes in the top 10

 

 

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From: Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
To: Cave Texas 
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2016 10:31 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas NSS Members--some statistics


The NSS Members Manual used to include a statistical summary of NSS
members by various categories. I was curious about Texas socontacted the 
Manual Editor Kelly Smallwood, who referred me to BobHoke. Bob has been 
compiling data for the NSS Members Manuals foryears, and promptly provided 
me with statistics regarding currentNSS members as of Feb 16, 2016. I've 
selected some, with mycomments, that I think will be of interest to Texas 
cavers and otherlist subscribers.
Thanks Bob!
Logan McNatt  lmcn...@austin.rr.com
NSS 11274

Current NSS Member Data as of Feb 16, 2016

TOTAL NSS MEMBERS9,256  (including 109 in Canada and 203 inother 
countries)

STATES WITH THE MOST NSS MEMBERS:  Texas ranks 7th
Georgia 602  Virginia 598  Tennessee 582  California 559  Florida532  
Pennsylvania 467  Texas 419
Alabama 414  Ohio 386  Colorado 367  Indiana 331  Missouri 285

ZIP CODES WITH THE MOST NSS MEMBERS: the 787xx zip code in Austin,Texas 
ranks 8th, with 85
Georgia has 3 zip codes in the top 10

LOWEST ACTIVE NSS NUMBERS (below 10K):
[Cavers with #s from 1 to 9,999  joined from 1939 to 1967, and werethe 
first to light the way with for those who followed.]
#247 Virginia#262 Iowa#373 Alabama#509 Texas   #518 
California#568 Virginia#645 Pennsylvania
#742 Maryland#812 Tennessee   #835 Missouri#882Pennsylvania
#913 Idaho

Texas currently has one 3-digit (#509, Roy Pietsch, Dallas) and 39
4-digit members.
There are others who have not maintained their membership.
See attached list. If it doesn't make the journey, I'll resend.




  
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[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] WNS issues and the NSS 75th Anniversary Convention

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 Howdy Texas Cavers!

Please read the email below regarding caving and WNS while you are in Nevada 
for the 75th NSS Convention.

Please forward the message below to other Texas grottos, off-list cavers, as 
well as the various FB accounts that exist for Texas and other cavers.

And, don't forget to register for the NSS Convention: 
http://nss2016.caves.org/registration/index.php 


Julia G Germany
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Bowers 
To: NSSwest ; ncacavers ; 
swr ; azregion ; colorado_grotto 
; TIMPANOGOSgrotto 

Cc: Southern_Nevada_Grotto ; NNVGrotto 

Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2016 5:45 pm
Subject: [SWR] WNS issues and the NSS 75th Anniversary Convention



Caver family -
 
Sadly, we learned today of the presence of White Nose Syndrome in Washington 
State. WNS has devastated millions of bats across the eastern USA. While many 
western cavers thought it was just a matter of time, we'd hoped we had more 
time than this... 
 
Please know - this changes nothing for the cave trips being offered at the NSS 
75th Anniversary Convention this summer in Ely, Nevada.
 
>From the beginning, we have always planned for WNS decontamination to be 
>mandatory before anyone will be allowed on trips. The convention team is 
>working with the Bureau of Land Management to have a mobile decon station on 
>site at the convention this summer. It will follow USFWS protocols.
 
Additionally, it's important to know that most bats in Nevada prefer to roost 
in mines rather than caves. Our state has thousands of abandoned mines that are 
used by bats throughout the year. The convention is not planning any 
underground mine trips.
 
Finally, we ask that you not bring cave gear into the state from infected 
areas. Most of the caves on our trip schedule are warm enough that you won't 
need coveralls anyway. Please leave them at home and plan to decon everything 
else before you sign up for cave trips during the convention. We will have the 
decon station operable on the weekends around our convention for those of you 
arriving early or staying late.
 
The NSS 2016 Convention firmly believes that cavers have never been a 
transmission vector for this syndrome. Let's keep it that way!
 
We will post additional information as it becomes available.
 
 
NSS 75th Anniversary Convention
July 16-23, 2016 ~ Ely, Nevada
http://nss2016.caves.org
#nss75th
 
 
Please share this with your grottos.
 

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[Texascavers] Fwd: New Funding Promises Brighter Future for State Parks

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To: germanyj 
Sent: Sat, Feb 27, 2016 8:03 am
Subject: New Funding Promises Brighter Future for State Parks




State parks receive $90 million for critical repairs and improvements. More 
than 80 projects scheduled.

  





  
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The future of Texas State Parks looks bright — exceedingly bright! 
Recent legislation passed by the 84th Texas Legislature provides a significant 
increase in funding for Texas parks. For the 2016-2017 biennium, House Bill 158 
dedicates 94 percent of state sales tax revenue from the sale of sporting goods 
to Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. 


See the Improvements Coming to Parks at 
TexasStateParks.org/BrighterFuture 


How the New Funding Will Improve State Parks 
As a result of the increased funding, there are more than 80 state park repair 
and improvement projects scheduled, using a combination of new appropriations 
plus funding from previous legislative sessions. An overview of these projects 
includes:





Major Projects
Galveston Island State Park beachside will be redeveloped after being destroyed 
by Hurricane Ike in 2008. The transformational plan includes restrooms, 
boardwalks to the beach, tent camping platforms, multi-use campsites with 
electric and water service, group shelters, and day use picnic shelters. 
Franklin Mountains State Park will receive a new visitors’ center. 
Battleship Texas State Historic Site will benefit from the repair and 
replacement of critical structural components of the ship.
Palo Pinto Mountains State Park - Engineering and construction design planning 
will begin for this new 4,400 acre park which is 1 hour west of Ft. Worth. 




Repairs to Historic Structures
Many structures at our state parks are historic and in need of careful repair 
and restoration:

Historic motor court at Balmorhea State Park  
Indian Lodge at Davis Mountains State Park
Lighthouse at Port Isabel Lighthouse State Historic Site 
Historic CCC swimming pool and bathhouse at Abilene State Park
Historic structures and site at Monument Hill and Kreische House and Brewery
CCC Rock Tabernacle at Mother Neff State Park 
Custodian’s Cottage at Goliad State Park & Historic Site


State Parks Damaged by Natural Disasters 
Repairs and/or replacement will be made to facilities and trails damaged by 
floods, hurricanes, and wildfires. Damaged parks slated for work in 2016-2017 
include McKinney Falls State Park, Bastrop State Park, and Davis Mountains 
State Park. 





General Improvements and Repairs
Nineteen restrooms will be replaced throughout the state. (This will make many 
park visitors very happy!)
Water, wastewater, and electrical service renovations and replacements will be 
completed at 13 state parks. Although not usually visible to our park visitors, 
functioning and energy-efficient utility systems are important to the everyday 
workings of a state park as they provide reliable water and electricity to 
visitors. 
All of these much-needed repairs will enhance our park visitors’ experience in 
one way or another. Find out if improvements are being made to your favorite 
parks at www.TexasStateParks.org/BrighterFuture




Thanks to You!
Texas Parks and Wildlife wishes to thank park visitors like you for all of your 
support. We also want to recognize the Texas Legislature for their vision in 
providing a dedicated source of funding for state parks. And, a big thank you 
to the many others who have supported us all along — including local volunteers 
and communities, park “Friends Groups” and other non-profit groups, industry 
professionals, corporate partners and grassroots supporters across the state. 
We will invest these dollars to make a lasting impact on your state parks, now 
and for future generations.







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[Texascavers] tectonically controlled valleys on Mars

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[Texascavers] Matt Zappitello

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Hi Matt:

Please contact me off-list.  I need your email address.

Thanks!
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Re: [Texascavers] Punkin Cave Photo

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-Original Message-
From: Don Arburn via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Mon, Sep 7, 2015 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Punkin Cave Photo


Arburn doesn't know cause he hasn't seen the photo cause he hasn't received the
September issue.


--Don

> On Sep 7, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Carl Kunath via
Texascavers  wrote:
> 
> Arburn doesn't know.
> I
sent a note to Bunnell seeking that information.
> It is a great photo!
> 
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===Carl Kunath
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> -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill via
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> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 7:09 PM
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Subject: [Texascavers] Punkin Cave Photo
> 
> Anybody know who took that very
nice but uncredited photo of Punkin Cave that is in the September NSS News? --
Mixon
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> True bravery is shown by
performing without witnesses what one might be capable of doing before all the
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[Texascavers] Fwd: tpwd tv Devil's Sinkhole - UPDATE ON NEW WAVE CAVE

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 I wrote to the TPWD's tv show producer and asked why they refer to Devil's 
Sinkhole as New Wave Cave.

His reply is below.

 

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Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2015 11:29 am
Subject: tpwd tv Devil's Sinkhole


  
   
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Comment or Question:
   
 
   
Why do you have New Wave Cave as the title of two programs about Devil's 
Sinkhole?  I heard it referred to as New Wave Cave.  If the name has been 
officially changed, please let me know.  Thank you!
   
 
   
Devil’s Sinkhole is still Devil’s Sinkhole. “New Wave Cave” was the title of 
the video segment. Refers to the use of modern technology to map the cave. 
   
 
   
 
   
Don Cash
   
Series Producer   Texas Parks  Wildlife Television
   
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[Texascavers] New Wave Cave

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When did Devil's Sinkhole become New Wave Cave, and why?
 

 

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Re: [Texascavers] New Wave Cave

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That's what I said!

I read this in an e-newsletter:


 
 TV: Texas Parks  Wildlife
 
Broadcast on KUHT Channel 8 at 3:00 PM each Saturday and on municipal access 
cable channels in Baytown, Deer Park, Houston, Nassau Bay, Pasadena, Seabrook, 
Sugar Land, and on HCC TV. More info on the TPWD website (* indicates a segment 
about the Houston area). For a preview, visit TPWD's YouTube Page.
 
A Tale of Two Laurens - Bay City Goose Hunt *
Parks  Wildlife People: Michael Rezsutek
New Wave Cave
Estero Llano Grande State Park

I see New Wave Cave.  Never heard of it, so I Googled it. 

I first came upon this:

TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE
The Hunting Laurens, New Wave Cave  the Marsh Doctor.

Aired: 01/04/2015
26:30
Rating: NR 

We head to Bay City, Texas for a weekend goose hunt with the 
ladies. Watch how one Texas Parks and Wildlife employee brings oil companies, 
conservation organizations, and government agencies together to work towards 
creating a sustainable future for the coastal marshes along the upper Texas 
Gulf coast. The Devil’s Sinkhole near Rocksprings is a cavernous wonder.


So I go back to the Google results for Devil's Sinkhole and New Wave Cave and 
find this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi8yp5L47t0

Every search leads me back to the above show by TPWD.  NEVER in the dialogue do 
they refer to it as New Wave Cave, but it's part of every title.  The episode 
is about the LiDAR project back 2012.

So - what's with tying the name New Wave Cave to DS?





 

 

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Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2015 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Wave Cave


 
What the hell?  
  
  
  
--Don  
 
 
  
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texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:  
  
 
 
  
   When did Devil's Sinkhole become New Wave Cave, and why? 
  
 
 
  
 
 
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[Texascavers] Recreation Grants E-Newsletter: CO-OP Grant Information

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Community Outdoor Outreach Program Grant Annouces Deadline/Workshops
 
 
  
 
 
Community Outdoor Outreach Program Grant Annouces Deadline/Workshops
Community Outdoor Outreach Program –February 1, 2016 grant deadline
Recreation Grants will be accepting applications for the Community Outdoor 
Outreach Program (CO-OP) February 1, 2016.  Tax-exempt organizations and local 
governments are eligible to apply for grants ranging from $5,000 up to $50,000 
to fund programs meeting the Texas Parks and Wildlife mission.  $1.5 million 
will be available to applicants introducing non-traditional constituents to 
TPWD related outdoor recreation, conservation and environmental education 
programs.  Applications will be accepted through our online portal called 
Recreation Grants Online (RGO) https://tpwrecgrants.fluidreview.com/  
Upcoming grant writing workshops will be held from 9am to Noon and are listed 
below:
August 18th   Houston 14200 Garrett Road, Houston, Texas 77044   
August 20thAustin1340 Airport Commerce Park, Austin, TX 78741 
Click on this link to register for one of these workshops:
 
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[Texascavers] Fwd: Texas Parks Wildlife Television - June 7-13, 2015

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 Government Canyon will be featured on TPW Television on PBS next week.  Check  
your local listing for air time.

 

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More About the Series — TPWD on PBS, YouTube
   
Texas Parks  Wildlife Television
   
June 7–13, 2015
   
Program 2308-R — Originally Aired December 7–13, 2014
   

Preview on YouTube

   
   
Featured Segments
   
Acquiring Powderhorn
   
A coalition of partners has raised nearly $38 million dollars to purchase 
17,000 acres of one of the largest remaining unspoiled tracts of coastal 
prairie in the state. The Powderhorn Ranch in Calhoun County is expected to 
become a future state park and wildlife management area for the people of Texas.
   
Outdoor Info: Campfire Tips
   
Sitting around the campfire is one of the best things about going camping. Park 
Interpreter Katie Raney has some tips for getting your campfire going safely.
   
I Love a Mystery
   
Kids at Texas AM's SeaCamp solve mysteries using biology, chemistry, and 
physics. Their lab experiences are paralleled with the work done in the real 
world by TPWD's Forensics group in San Marcos.
   
Building the Canyon
   
Government Canyon State Natural Area has grown out of an unprecedented 
partnership of groups rallying to preserve a unique resource. Its pristine Hill 
Country land helps protect the aquifer below it, making it all the more 
important to nearby San Antonio.
   
Postcard From Texas
   
The Texas Bighorn Society and Texas Parks and Wildlife celebrate finishing the 
construction of two guzzlers (above-ground rainwater catchments that provide 
water for wildlife) with a feast. What’s on the menu? Yard birds, beans, and a 
good time.
   
Where To Watch
   
PBS Stations
   
Times and dates are subject to change, especially during PBS membership drives.
   

Amarillo, KACV-TV, Channel 2, Thursday 7:30 p.m.

Austin, KLRU-TV, Channel 18, Sunday 10 a.m.; Thursday 5:30 a.m. KLRU-Q, Channel 
18-3, Thursday, 6:30 p.m.; Saturday, 8 a.m.

Bryan-College Station, KAMU-TV, Channel 15, Thursday 7:30 p.m.; Saturday 6:30 
p.m.

Corpus Christi, KEDT-TV, Channel 16, Sunday 12 p.m.

Dallas-Fort Worth, KERA-TV, Channel 13, (October Through April Only) Saturday 
10:30 a.m. Also serving Abilene, Denton, Longview, Marshall, San Angelo, 
Texarkana, Tyler, Wichita Falls and Sherman.

El Paso, KCOS-TV, Channel 13, Saturday 4:30 p.m.

Harlingen, KMBH-TV, Channel 60, Sunday 11:30 a.m.; Saturday 4 p.m. Also serving 
McAllen, Mission and Brownsville.

Houston, KUHT-TV, Channel 8, Saturday 3 p.m. Also serving Beaumont, Port 
Arthur, Galveston, Texas City and Victoria.

Killeen, KNCT-TV, Channel 46, Sunday 5 p.m. Also serving Temple, Waco.

Lubbock, KTTZ-TV, Channel 5, Saturday 10 a.m.

Odessa-Midland, KPBT-TV, Channel 36, Saturday 4:30 p.m.

Oklahoma Educational TV Authority, OETA, OKLA Channel, Sunday 2:30 a.m. and 
9:30 a.m.; Tuesday 2:30 p.m.; Saturday 12 p.m.

San Antonio and Laredo, KLRN-TV, Channel 9, Sunday 11 a.m, Thursday 11:30 a.m.

Nashville, Tennessee, NPT2-TV, Channel 8.2, Saturday 9:30 a.m.

Portales, New Mexico, KENW-TV, Channel 3, Sunday 2:30 p.m.
   
   
Cable
   
Texas Parks  Wildlife can also be seen on a variety of government, educational 
and access cable channels in the following communities: Abilene; Alamo 
Colleges-San Antonio; Alice; Allen; Atlanta-KAQC; Baytown; Big Spring; Boerne; 
Brownsville; Cedar Park; Colleyville; Coppell; Corpus Christi; Crockett-KIVY; 
Dallas; Deer Park; Del Mar College-Corpus Christi; Denton; El Paso; Euless; 
Flower Mound; Fort Stockton; Fort Worth ISD-EdTV; Fort Worth; Frisco; Garland; 
Haltom City; Highland Village; Houston Community College; Houston; Irving; 
Keller; Killeen; Lubbock; Lufkin; McKinney; Mesquite; Midland; Nassau Bay; 
North Richland Hills; Ocean TV 20, Toms River, NJ; Pasadena; Rogers State 
University; Round Rock; San Antonio College; Seabrook; Stephen F. Austin U.; 
Sugar Land; Temple; Texarkana College; The Colony; Trophy Club; Tyler; 
Victoria; Waco. Check your local listings for days and times.
   
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[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] Fwd: National Decontamination Protocol Update

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Sent: Fri, May 29, 2015 4:37 pm
Subject: [SWR] Fwd: National Decontamination Protocol Update


 
Please start to decon at 140f now.  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
   
-- Forwarded message --
From: Carter, Tim tccar...@bsu.edu
Date: Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:09 PM
Subject: National Decontamination Protocol Update
To: s...@listserv.bsu.edu


 
  
   
ATTENTION ALL BAT BIOLOGISTS….
   

 
 
 
This just in from the USFWS…
 
 
 
 


 
Based on the ongoing investigations at the USFS' Northern Research Station into 
decontamination products and strategies, it has come to the attention of the 
Disease Management Working Group: National Decontamination Protocol subgroup 
that a current recommendation needs to be modified to increase its 
effectiveness at killing Pd. The temperature of water used for the hot water 
treatment should be increased from 50C to 60C.  Submersible gear should now be 
treated in hot water for a minimum of 60C for 20 minutes. Laboratory analyses 
indicate this small increase in sustained temperature increases the efficacy of 
the hot water treatment. Please follow all other guidance in the existing 
decontamination protocol, and remember to consider all necessary personal 
protective equipment and limitations of equipment in order to reduce the risk 
of personal or equipment-related injury when heating and maintaining water at 
this temperature. 


 
 


 
A revision of the protocol is currently being reviewed by the writing team of 
the National Decontamination Protocol subgroup. We hope to release the latest 
version this summer.  


 
 


 
Thank you,


 
 


 
Rich


 
 


 
  
Richard Geboy
  
   
Midwest Regional WNS Coordinator
  
  
   
US Fish  Wildlife Service
  
  
   
620 South Walker St.
  
  
   
Bloomington, IN 47403
  
  
   
Phone: (812) 334 - 4261 Dial 1 then Ext. 210
  
  
   
Fax: (812) 334 - 4273
  
 

   
  
 

   
  
 
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Cave-climbing catfish on BBC

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The findings were published in the journal Subterranean Biology:  
http://subtbiol.pensoft.net/articles.php?id=4809


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Subject: [Texascavers] Cave-climbing catfish on BBC


 
  
The tail of the amazing cave-climbing catfish as documented by Geoff Hoese, 
Aaron Addison and others featured on BBC.   
  
   
  
  
   Amazing cave-climbing catfish filmed  
  
   

 
  
   

 
 
  
   

  
   

   
  
   

  
   

  
   

  
   

  
   

 
 
  
   

   
Amazing cave-climbing catfish filmed
 
A catfish in Ecuador is seen climbing a cave wall, the first time such 
behaviour has been documented in this species 

   
 
 
  
   


 
 
  
   
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Re: [Texascavers] Just a note - Texas History

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Even tho this is a totally off topic discussion, I want to make sure everyone 
is clear on Texas history and historical dates:

02 March - Texas Independence Day

21 April - San Jacinto Day

Here's the abbreviated version about 21 April:

April 21, 1836 - On this day in 1836, Texas forces won the battle of San 
Jacinto, the concluding military event of the Texas Revolution. Facing General 
Santa Anna's Mexican army of some 1,200 men encamped in what is now 
southeastern Harris County, General Sam Houston disposed his forces in battle 
order about 3:30 p.m., during siesta time. The Texans' movements were screened 
by trees and the rising ground, and evidently Santa Anna had no lookouts 
posted. The Texan line sprang forward on the run with the cries Remember the 
Alamo! and Remember Goliad! The battle lasted but eighteen minutes. 
According to Houston's official report, the casualties were 630 Mexicans killed 
and 730 taken prisoner. Against this, only nine of the 910 Texans were killed 
or mortally wounded and thirty were wounded less seriously.
 
 As a result of the Battle of San Jacinto, almost a third of what is now the 
United States of America changed ownership. It is one of the most decisive and 
consequential battles in the history of the United States and indeed the 
Western world.

 

 

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Actually, today is San Jacinto Day.  Texas Independence Day is March 2.  But we 
can be happy anyhow.   



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San Marcos TX 78666
512 392-7327   
 
  
  
  
   
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Happy Texas Independence Day! 
 
 

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[Texascavers] USFW Grant for Management of WNS

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Agency Name:

Fish and Wildlife Service



Description:

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) is pleased to announce the 
availability of financial assistance to state wildlife agencies for issues 
related directly to the management of white nose syndrome (WNS).  

This opportunity is only open to state agencies and no more than one proposal 
will be accepted from each state. 

Priority will be given to states that have confirmed WNS or the causative 
fungus, Pseudogymnoascus destructans (Pd), and adjacent states. However all 
states are encouraged to apply. 

As of April 1, 2015, states confirmed to have WNS include: Alabama, Arkansas, 
Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, 
Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North 
Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, 
West Virginia, and Wisconsin.  Pd has also been detected on bats in Iowa, 
Minnesota and Mississippi. 

The following adjacent states are now considered most vulnerable to the future 
spread of Pd and WNS: North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, 
Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Rhode Island, and District of Columbia.  

The Service has targeted up to $1 million for this funding opportunity in 2015 
to help build state capacity that will assist with the management and control 
of WNS.  

Available funds are from internally directed funds for Fiscal Year 2015.  These 
grant awards are made under CFDA Number 15.657, Endangered Species 
Conservation, Recovery Implementation Funds.

For more information:

http://www.grants.gov/web/grants/view-opportunity.html?oppId=275498 




 

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[Texascavers] SXSW + Longhorn Caverns

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 http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukewinkie/zedd-party-cave#.mjqyVPLNz

(See last story below. There are other great stories in this issue of Caving 
News.)

 

Julia G Germany
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Subject: Your Daily Caving News



   


  
 
 Your Daily Caving News 
 
  

 

  
   
   

 Video: Caver Communications with Emergency Services 

 Biannual Pennsylvania Bat Survey Finds Glimmer of Hope 

 New Study Finds Bats Not Fans of Street Lights 

 For Sale: Canned Cave Air with Yeti Connection 

 Music Producer Holds Party in Longhorn Cavern 
   
   


  
 
 Video: Caver Communications with Emergency Services 
 
 Posted: 25 Mar 2015 04:00 AM PDT
   
Take a moment to learn the essential skill of communicating crisis information 
to emergency services for a cave rescue.Read More   
   
 
 
 
 
  
 
 Biannual Pennsylvania Bat Survey Finds Glimmer of Hope 
 
 Posted: 24 Mar 2015 12:00 PM PDT
   
An increase in the number of bat species found during the biannual survey of 
the Pennsylvania's Durham Mine offers some hope.Read More   
   
 
 
 
 
  
 
 New Study Finds Bats Not Fans of Street Lights 
 
 Posted: 24 Mar 2015 10:00 AM PDT
   
New research has discredited the popular belief that street lighting is 
attractive to bats.Read More   
   
 
 
 
 
  
 
 For Sale: Canned Cave Air with Yeti Connection 
 
 Posted: 24 Mar 2015 08:00 AM PDT
   
Entrepreneurs have canned the air from Siberia's Azasskaya Cave, the location 
of supposed sightings of fabled Yetis, known to some as Bigfoot or the 
Abominable Snowman.Read More   
   
 
 
 
 
  
 
 Music Producer Holds Party in Longhorn Cavern 
 
 Posted: 24 Mar 2015 06:00 AM PDT
   
During SXSW, lucky fans of electronic music producer Zedd were picked up in 
limos and taken to Longhorn Cavern for an unforgettable purple themed party.
Read More   
   
 
 
 

  
   


  
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[Texascavers] Congrats to the Man of Steele!

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 From Caving News:


Explorers Club to Award Caver Bill Steele the Citation of Merit 

March 20, 2015 / New York, United States, North America




Bill Steele in Alaska. Photo by Aspen372/Wikimedia Commons



Legendary caver Bill Steele is to be honored at the upcoming 111th Explorers 
Club Annual Dinner this Saturday, March 21st in New York City.


The event, the world’s largest gathering of pioneers of exploration in space, 
in the oceans and on land, will be held at the American Museum of Natural 
History.


Appointed a fellow member of the exclusive club in 1979, Steele will now be 
presented with a Citation of Merit for his efforts exploring many of the 
longest and deepest caves in the USA, Mexico, and China.


Bill is currently co-leading an official National Speleoelogical Society 
project, dubbed Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla (PESH), to explore and 
study Mexico’s Sistema Huautla, which in 2013 became the deepest cave in the 
Western Hemisphere. The 2015 expedition begins next week and is expected to run 
for nearly six weeks.


Besides Steele, prominent astrophysicist and cosmologist Neil deGrasse Tyson

, British explorer David Hempleman-Adams, prominent mountaineer Mandip Singh 
Soin

 will also be presented awards during the evening which will feature specialty 
hors d’oeuvres prepared by famed “Bug Chef” David George Gordon, who will 
highlight sustainable eating practices.


For those that can’t be there, the entire event will be broadcast live on the 
Explorer’s Club website beginning at 6:00pm eastern time.



 

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Re: [Texascavers] New views of Hang Son Doong

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Nice foto and the video is over 6 minutes.  Very cool!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/watch-stunning-drone-shot-video-of-this-giant-cave-2015-03-18



 

 

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From: Louise Power via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com; swr s...@caver.net
Sent: Wed, Mar 18, 2015 6:09 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] New views of Hang Son Doong


 
This is really amazing. I want to locate to whole video.  
   
  
  
   
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/drone-flies-inside-worlds-largest-cave/vi-BBil6Ft
  
  
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Full Ezell's Cave Article

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Danke schön Frau Arens!
 

 

Julia G Germany
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From: Katherine Arens via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 10:31 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Full Ezell's Cave Article


 with all 8 pictures, in one pdf, downloadable from  
  http://www.utexas.edu/courses/arens/EzellesGate.pdf 
  
  
  
  
If you want the original pix, follow the instructions from Kimberly Hartzog’s 
directions and steal them as you ordinarily would 
  
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For free access view just Google: making a good entrance san marcos 
It should be at the top of your search results.
 
There are 8 great photos posted with the article. 
  
  
   

 
 Kimberly Hartzog
 
 khart...@peloton-sa.com
 

   
  
 


 
  
   

   
  
 

   
   

 
  
   



   
  
 

   
   

 

 
  
 
  
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  Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025 
  
  2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336 
  
  University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320 
  
  Austin, TX  78712-1802 
 

 
 
 
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Ezell's cave gating in the news:

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Nice photo.

Unfortunately, I am not a subscriber to the ExpressNews, and therefore cannot 
read the article.

Anyone out there who can send the text to this listserv?

 

 

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Sent: Sun, Mar 8, 2015 11:43 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Ezell's cave gating in the news:


 
Making a good entrance: 
Cavers hope new structure brings a colony back



By Richard A. Marini   

 March 8, 2015

   
   
   
http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Making-a-good-entrance-6122521.php
  
   
  
   
 
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock

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Rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock
 

 

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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock


 
Very cool Ernie, thanks for sharing!  
   
  
  
He was a great man and will be missed.  
 
 
  
  
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:   
   
Ernie,
 
   You missed your opportunity to give the Vulcan salute and say, Live
 long and prosper!
 
 Mark Minton
 mmin...@caver.net
 
 
  
 On Fri, February 27, 2015 3:23 pm, via Texascavers wrote:  
  When the movie, Star Trek-the Motion Picture was filmed, I as working  
  for Boss Films, a special effects studio in Los Angeles. There were two  
  days of fliming close-ups of Mr. Spock, one scene where he had bright  
  lights flashing at this face. I had been asked if I had any large  
  flashbulbs they could use for the shoot, and I did. It was the remenants 
   
  of flashbulbs and a reflector I had dragged through some of the caves in 
   
  Cuetzalan, Mexico while doing some cave photography. There was a worry  
  that some of the bulbs could be cracked, in which case they would explode

  when fired, but luckily, none of them did during the several takes it  
  took to film it. I worked in the darkroon and there was a sliding door  
  leading to the front office and a hallway. As I opened the door one day, 
   
  I was startled to find Lenard Nimoy leaning against the wall smoking a  
  cigarette; he was in costume with his pointy ears, and all I could think 
   
  of saying was, Hi, I understand you are from Boston. How lame, but  
  still a notable recollection.  
   
 --Ernie Garza  
   
  

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[Texascavers] New Program Comes to NOVA: Sinkholes—Buried Alive

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http://cavingnews.com/20150125-new-program-comes-nova-sinkholes-buried-alive?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed%3A+cavingnews+%28Caving+News%29



New Program Comes to NOVA: Sinkholes—Buried Alive

January 25, 2015


Close to the edge of the 100 meter (330 foot) deep sinkhole which formed in 
Guatemala City in 2007. Photo by Eric Heather Haddox/flickr



Sinkholes, the underground menace that can swallow you and your loved ones 
without warning, will be featured in a documentary that premieres on NOVA on 
Wednesday, January 28th.


According to the NOVA’s website, the program will highlight incidents such as 
the 2013 sinkhole in Florida that swallowed Jeffrey Bush as he slept, and the 
massive sinkhole in Assumption Parish, Louisiana that has already swallowed 31 
acres and is still growing.


These worldwide geological hazards, which have swallowed highways, apartment 
buildings, horses, camels, even golfers, lurk wherever limestone and other 
water-soluble rocks underpin the soil.


Containing terrifying eyewitness video of dramatic collapses, and following 
scientists as they explore the underlying forces behind these natural 
disasters, NOVA travels the globe to investigate what it’s like to have your 
world vanish beneath your feet.
Be afraid.





 

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Re: [Texascavers] Alcalde Article

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GREAT JOB, HEATHER!

Congrats to you for reaching out to the editor.  He is clearly a professional, 
and his reporter has learned an excellent  journalism lesson.

Keep up your awesome work on behalf of the caves and their critters.

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
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 On Jan 19, 2015, at 15:33, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Here's the editor's most recent email to me:
 
 Dear Heather,
 
 I have made the changes you noted, and I have added a prominent note up top 
 regarding the salamanders. Allow me to please apologize for the mistakes in 
 this article, and let me thank you for bringing them to our attention. We 
 have brought these inaccuracies to the reporter's attention, and he will be 
 getting a stern talking-to about checking his facts carefully. We take this 
 very seriously, and I regret that we let these errors make it through our 
 process.
 
 Would you be so good as to check my changes to make sure we are fully in the 
 clear? http://alcalde.texasexes.org/2014/12/notes-from-the-underground/
 
 Thank you again for reaching out to me. I hope this corrects the mistakes and 
 avoids any kind of complication for you professionally. If there is any way I 
 can be helpful to you in the future, please let me know.
 
 Apologetically yours,
 
 
 
 
 On 18 January 2015 at 22:17, Heather Tucek trog...@cavechat.org wrote:
 The Editor-in-Chief wrote back to me saying how upset he was to hear about 
 thus, and that he will be fixing it first thing in the morning. 
 
 
 -Tucek
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 I wouldn't agree with that at all. They may get the dumbest thing you said 
 so why say dumb things. Dumb things are what we like to see on TV or read 
 about. Dumb is good. I love dumb movies and dumb stories. I thrive on dumb. 
 People forget everything minutes later so it doesn't matter much unless you 
 are running for emperor of aome such ad for gettng it right I always got it 
 right.
 
 On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, AC via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 Heather, 
 
 Don't worry about it. The rules for dealing with the media are:
 
 1. They never get it right. 
 
 2. If they quote you, they always pick the stupidest thing you say (or 
 didn't say). 
 
 3. Most people forget the article as soon as they read it. 
 
 Allan
 
 Sent from my iPhone with fat thumbs
 
 On Jan 18, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Wow. So glad I took him caving. I mean, how else could I widely spread 
 how ignorant I am about caves. Barton Springs salamanders in Whirlpool 
 Cave? As if! Never did I even mention endangered anything!
 
 That's the last time I take a reporter caving. Like I need any help 
 putting black marks on my name. Sheesh!
 
 
 
 -Tucek
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 17, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sam Young via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 This article appeared in the UT Alumni magazine, Alcalde.  ... Sam
  
 http://tinyurl.com/qx6mt8b
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- from julia's cell

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Re: [Texascavers] TCMA news

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Hi Ron!

Questions base on:

 


We have already applied for and received a Landowner Incentive Program grant 
but we need more to offset the greatly-discounted $13,000 price tag for the 
construction project. 

 
How much did TCMA receive from the TPWD Landowner Incentive Program?

How much hard cash is still needed?

What is the value of the equipment and services that are being donated?

Knowing this information makes it easier to reach out to potential sponsors 
when you can tell them these things.  

I am thinking, as an example, to reach out to a company that could provide the 
steel.  Your awesome idea of having names/initials engraved into the steel 
could also be offered to the corporate donors. Their names could be on the 
steel, and on the kiosk.

Can't wait to see the Texas Blind Salamander doing the happy dance!

 

Julia G Germany
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Sent: Fri, Jan 9, 2015 10:45 am
Subject: [Texascavers] TCMA news


  
   

Cavers,   



Ezells Cave Preserve in San Marcos, owned by the Texas Cave Management 
Association, is in need of a new gate.  Many years ago the cave was permanently 
sealed and the small population of Myotis velifer bats was denied access, which 
cut off the nutrient supply for many rare and endangered denizens living in the 
lake below.  Later, the gate was removed and sporadic use by bats was noted by 
visitors.  Later still, a new gate and concrete platform were installed which 
did nothing to enhance bat populations to return, although a few tricolored 
bats (Perimyotis subflavus) have been noted in recent years.  A new gate is 
envisioned that would reopen the window into the aquifer and help restore the 
ecology of the cave.   

So how can you help?

We have already applied for and received a Landowner Incentive Program grant 
but we need more to offset the greatly-discounted $13,000 price tag for the 
construction project.  A lot of the design work and equipment is being donated 
by Jim Kennedy through his business, but we will need additional funds for 
steel and welding supplies. We also need to pay a welder.  Please go to the 
Donate section on our website to pledge today.  For those who wish to donate 
additional funds, we are giving you an opportunity to have your name welded on 
steel.  For every $100 donation, we offer to put your full name on a length of 
steel which will be incorporated into the gate.  Lesser donations may entitle 
you to steel initials.

And we will need many volunteers to need carry steel from the street to the 
cave, lift bars into place, remove the old concrete platform, and clean up the 
site after the work is complete.  We will keep you posted on our construction 
schedule via e-mail and Facebook.

If you wish to donate your time and labor, call Ron Ralph (512-280-0648) or Jim 
Kennedy (512- 663-2287) and you will be added to the volunteer labor sign-up 
sheet.  The Texas Blind Salamander (Eurycea rathbuni) will thank you.

http://www.tcmacaves.org/financial/EzellGate.php
  
 
 

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[Texascavers] Fwd: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 As a member of AGI, I received this press release.  Until now, I have never 
heard of Valley Fever.  I am curious if any of you out there have any 
experience/knowledge about it.

julia

 

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Subject: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists


Contact: Megan Sever (mse...@earthmagazine.org)

For Immediate Release

EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists

Alexandria, Va. -  Valley Fever - a sometimes-fatal infection with no known cure
and no vaccine - is caused by a soilborne fungus that thrives in the hot, dry
soils of the southwestern U.S., Mexico and Central and South America. However,
recent reports of infections far outside the endemic area indicate the fungus is
either spreading or becoming active in new areas. The disease is contracted
through inhalation of fungal spores, which can be aerosolized by soil
disturbances from construction, excavation, gardening and landscaping, as well
as natural events like dust storms, earthquakes, landslides and wildfires.
Geoscientists working in the field need to take precautions against contracting
the disease.

Scientists say that little is currently known about the fungus' preferred
geology and how a changing climate might be affecting its spread. Read more
about where the disease has been found, current research on the disease and how
to protect yourself in the field in the September issue of EARTH Magazine:
http://bit.ly/1l1mi21. 

For more stories about the science of our planet, check out EARTH magazine
online or subscribe at www.earthmagazine.org. The September issue, now available
on the digital newsstand, features stories about floating nuclear plants
potentially being safer from tsunamis than land-based plants, natural arsenic
levels exceeding regulatory standards in Ohio, and the new literary genre of
Cli-Fi, stories about the future of humanity living under an altered climate,
plus much, much more. 

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Keep up to date with the latest happenings in Earth, energy and environment news
with EARTH magazine online at http://www.earthmagazine.org/. Published by the
American Geosciences Institute, EARTH is your source for the science behind the
headlines.

###

The American Geosciences Institute is a nonprofit federation of 49 geoscientific
and professional associations that represents more than 250,000 geologists,
geophysicists and other earth scientists. Founded in 1948, AGI provides
information services to geoscientists, serves as a voice of shared interests in
the profession, plays a major role in strengthening geoscience education, and
strives to increase public awareness of the vital role the geosciences play in
society's use of resources, resiliency to natural hazards, and interaction with
the environment.

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Re: [Texascavers] Cavers helping cavers

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Hi David!

You might want to consider donating your cave gear now to your local grotto. If 
it's in good shape, they can use it as loaner gear for newbies who have none.

The commemorative items like Mammoth and CaCa would make excellent donations to 
the TCMA for their auction at TCR. The money raised is used for cave 
conservation.

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 On Aug 30, 2014, at 16:23, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 David,
 
 If you are paying even $100 a month for your storage unit (which is a really 
 good price), then you are paying $1200 a year.  So the cost of the unit is 
 more than what you say the contents are worth.  In 50 years you will have 
 paid over $60,000.  That is just poor economics.
 
 Jim
 
 
 On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 4:09 PM, David via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 snip  In the background, is a huge storage unit, and unfortunately buried 
 in there is my caving gear, and about $ 1,000 worth of caver related items.
 It is my goal that in 50 years, that the usable items here in this unit will 
 get passed on to a younger caver, but I am afraid the likely scenario is the 
 stuff will get auctioned off, or thrown away, and probably much sooner than 
 I am planning for.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Replies to various post

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

I agree with David. My immediate reaction to Don's post was identical - take 
advantage of the delete key and quit complaining. Glad this same suggestion 
came directly from the victim of your post.

The last thing we need is to annoy our gracious listserv administrator with 
this when he has bigger and more important issues to tackle so that everyone 
gets all posts.

To Charles - you are greatly appreciated and yet underappreciated. I thank you 
for all you do behind the scenes for Texas, NSS, and International cavers to 
have the ability to converse via these forums.

- from julia's cell

Julia Germany
germanyj@the dreaded AOL.com

 On Aug 22, 2014, at 22:42, Don Cooper via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 It's not that I don't care for you.
 I just don't care for all the additional emails.;
 
 
 On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:31 PM, David via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 from David Locklear, so hit Delete Button now.
 
 The funny thing about Don's post, is I consider him one of my best friends, 
 which gives you an idea how many friends I have.
 
 The solution to Don's predicament is for me to simply change my email name. 
 
 Surely you can see I have drastically cut back on the use of CaveTex, but 
 that is mostly because I have been swamped doing things indirectly related 
 to caving.
 
 Today, I found an awesome water-color painting of Luray Caverns in an 
 antique store near Houston.
 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pedrm248j11sqg4/Luray-Caverns.jpg?dl=0
 
 Anybody know the history of this?   I have not found out if it is just a 
 print, or an original water-color, but assuming just one of a print of 
 thousands.
 
 
 I think most of the cavers who were dissing me last year, are now over it, 
 and we are still friends.  To the best of my knowledge only one caver is on 
 my sh*t-list, and nobody I know has heard from him in years.  I would still 
 go in a non-vertical cave with him though.  I am pretty sure everybody else 
 accepted my olive-branch, and all the bad vibes are fuzzy memories from the 
 past.
 I am still digging thru booty, a retired caver gave me, and found a pair of 
 grey Jumars.  These will hopefully end up as a door-prize at a caving event, 
 in the near future. 
 
 Respectfully,
 
 David Locklear
 Semi-retired from arm-chair caving
 
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: [SWR] Background on the FOIA request to BLM

[Julia Germany]

Hi Louise!

Having worked for local and state government in two countries (Texas and East 
Germany), and for multiple agencies,  your feed back has been spot on as to how 
to handle delicate and productive communications to these agencies.  In my 
opinion, you have never once suggested not exercising ones freedom of speech, 
only provided excellent feedback on how to make exercising this right 
productive. I have found these listservs to be hot buttons for those who have 
knee jerk reactions, if not just being jerks in general. The original thread 
about the FOIA should have been applauded and read thoroughly to realize that 
the response to all of the valid FOIA requests will take a significant amount 
of time. It's very unfortunate that others do not understand the process, and 
did not find your professional insights valid. Contacting you personally with 
harsh criticism is not warranted, justified or going to make a difference. I 
appreciate you putting a stop to this thread and being willing to continue to 
contribute your knowledge to the group on future topics. 
Wishing you a peaceful rest of your holiday weekend. I look forward to your 
professional and thoughtful future contributions.

- julia germany  

- from julia's cell

 On May 25, 2014, at 19:13, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 To all:  
 
 Nobody is trying to abridge anyone's constitutional freedoms. Only to point 
 out that there are ways of exercising them that are more productive than 
 others. Email bombing and bullying are not productive ways of dealing with 
 any executive. I'm done with this conversation. Nothing productive is being 
 said at this point and I'm tired of being email bombed and bullied and I'm 
 not even an excutive. I'm just a nice person who used to be a very active 
 caver in the 60s and 70s. I no longer want to be the object of your whiney, 
 I'm being so abused, I can do and say whatever I want rants. Ask 
 yourself, does anybody really care!  According to your complaints, possibly 
 not, and certainly not me any more. Let's find something else to talk about.
 
 Louise
 
 Subject: Re: [SWR] Background on the FOIA request to BLM
 From: pagan...@comcast.net
 Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 11:06:57 -0600
 CC: power_lou...@hotmail.com; s...@caver.net
 To: lobofl...@gmail.com
 
 Jeff and Louise, 
 In reading your open discussion of your previous e mail below, I offer this, 
 also keeping it open:
 
 This is amendment I of the US Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights: 
 
  Amendment I of the US Constitution:
 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or 
 prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or 
 of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to 
 petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
 The last three sentences are what it seems to be all about and beginning to 
 happen here: freedom of speech or of the press, the right to send e mails as 
 often as we like; the right to peaceably assemble-as at the regional or any 
 other way we like;  last and most important of all, the right to petition the 
 Government for a redress of grievances. i.e. an FOIA regarding the policies 
 of cave closure and WNS. 
 
 As for anyone stating that you don't have a clue, I again refer to the 
 Constitution of the United States, especially the part about to petition the 
 Government for a redress of grievances.  It states nothing about the 
 workload or anything else for whom the petition is directed. 
 
 As in my previous e mail dated 05/24, which I now include in this discussion:
 
 To set the record straight: Bullying, or being bullied, according to 
 www.meriam-webster.com, is to treat abusively, to affect by means of 
 coercion, to use browbeating language or behavior.  
 
 Filing a FOIA request, or having one or 10,000 individuals send respectful e 
 mails to one or more BLM and or state officials is not bullying. To 
 paraphrase Lynda Sanchez in a recent post,  it is a beautiful part of this 
 country- TO BE HEARD,  whether in a town hall meeting, or as an individual 
 participating in threads on the SWR list-or sending a respectful e mail 
 request to a BLM or for that matter any government official-it is YOUR RIGHT. 
 EXERCISING THAT RIGHT ALLOWS YOU TO KEEP THAT RIGHT. 
 
   When policies, procedures, or laws are clearly unjust, there are ways in 
 which to ask that they be rectified. When we as a people, or in this case as 
 a community of cavers, allow ourselves to be administered to by BLM or ANY 
 government administrator in ways we perceive to be unjust, and DO NOT stand 
 up (respectfully) to be heard, we lose part of ourselves. We become less of a 
 democracy. We become less of ourselves.
 
 FYI regarding respect:
 It is Mr. Jesse Juan, STATE DIRECTOR  of the BLM.
He has earned that title, and should be addressed as such, as should any 
 government official e mailed to. 
   
 Filing of the FOIA

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Julia Germany]

Got mine in the mail Friday. Looks great!
 
julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net
To: Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 11:47 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver



The December Texas Caver was sheepishly mailed this week.  The printer even 
called to ask if there was a typo 
on the date. :- /.  Good printer, that. Very embarrassed. Have heard of other 
persons being such a procrastinator but I was never one like this before. Sorry 
y'all. Butch has been sent copy for website  - watch for your electronic 
versions. 


Please send articles ASAP for next issue so I can catch up...! Thanks for your 
understanding and patience.
Jill
 

Re: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report

[Julia Germany]

EXCELLENT trip report, Jim!

I remember going to the Marneldo Ranch a really long time ago.  Was there still 
water in the swimming hole?

Wasn't Sandtleben where we all took refuge from a passing storm and wrote 
Haikus?

Let me know the next time you are heading out there.

So sorry to hear that they parceled the land, but not surprised.  AWESOME that 
you met the various owners and got relationships started for more caving in the 
area!

julia

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com
To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:23 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report


I, for one, prefer the discourse of real cavers. But removing people from the 
list goes against everything we stand for, unless there is a serious beach of 
protocol that even cavers will not tolerate. To get us back to reality 
(caving), 
I offer the following trip report.

This past weekend I took eight other cavers back to the historic Marneldo Ranch 
in Uvalde County. We started caving out there in 1997 and were pretty active 
for 
about 6 years before quitting for some reason. In the meantime, the ranch has 
been broken up and now the family only has about 850 acres left. 

Last year one of the new landowners contacted me about checking out his caves. 
I 
didn't know of any on that parcel, so I agreed. A small reconnaissance party of 
me, Lee Jay Graves, Will Quast, and Kris Peña enjoyed wonderful hospitality and 
were shown two new caves and found two more. And earlier this year Jean Krejca 
and I had the opportunity to revisit this guy, and also reconnected with the 
owners of the remaining Marneldo, who treated me like a long-lost cousin. They 
asked me to give a presentation on caves to their valley-wide wildlife 
association meeting, and I readily agreed. 

The meeting was held this past Saturday, at one of the ramcher's homes (a new 
contact for me). I spoke for about an hour to a very interested and engaged 
audience. I think I met four more new landowners there, and even had a great 
conversation with the local feed store owner, who was pretty knowledgeable 
about 
local caves and rock shelters. After the meeting, one of the new (to me) owners 
took us out on his place and showed us some very promising karst features. 

Meanwhile, I had three teams out surveying. Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, and 
Lee 
Jay Graves surveyed Montana Cave on Jim Livergood's place, one of the new caves 
from last year. Galen sketched and did a fine job. Will Quast, Kris Peña, and 
Guin McDade surveyed Salamander Cave on the adjacent property, now owned by Bob 
Hixon. This is another new (to us) cave that we were shown last year, but I 
suspect it may be Reddell's long-lost (from the early 60s) Grape Hollow Cave. 
Lastly, Ben Hutchins led Yazmin Avila and Bryce Smith on a complete resurvey of 
Falling Animal Cave, which was never finished by previous surveyors. The new 
sketch is vastly more detailed, and a worthy record of this significant cave. 

In the afternoon a bunch of us worked on the new karst features before having 
to 
quit for dinner. We made a quick jaunt back to Hixon's to look at the dinosaur 
tracks, and then joined the Livergoods for a wonderful venison roast, 
supplemented by a  crock pot pork roast with vegetables from Ellie and Galen. 
Afterwards we drove back to Marneldo for drinks with owners Todd and Beth Figg. 
Another neighboring rancher, John McNair and his wife, were having dinner with 
the Figgs, so we had lots more great conversations about caves. 

Sunday morning we treated the Livergoods to a huge bacon and egg breakfast. 
Afterwards, I took everyone to Sandtleben Cave on the Figg's place. It's about 
1500 feet of pleasant walking passage, with fascinating geology and biology. 
But 
before that cave, we had one more treat. A feral donkey had died a couple of 
days previously, and Guin wanted the skull. Livergood accompanied us while Guin 
decapitated the ex-burro. The head was quadruple-bagged, dice were rolled for 
who was transporting the package back to Austin, tools were cleaned, and all 
had 
a great fun cave trip, even seeing a ringtail. 

We packed up, thoroughly cleaned the bunkhouse, and got together one last time 
for a late barbecue lunch in Hondo. All-in-all, a superb weekend with great 
cavers and great landowners. 

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Re: [Texascavers] Mystery cave

[Julia Germany]

:)
 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
To: pstrickland1 pstrickla...@austin.rr.com
Cc: Cavetex Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 12:34 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mystery cave


That's ridiculous, this list traffic has gone way down compared to previous 
years.  We are also at our highest point in membership, 414 members currently.  


When I took over the list in 2008 or so, we had just barely over 300 members.


It always seems that when someone sees a post that they don't agree with or 
don't like, they want to complain about the number of posts or that it's not 
appropriate.  As most people state, you have a delete key, or use a filter/rule 
on your email client to sort the email.


These last few days of posts have been directly related to caving.  I don't 
know what else people are looking for in a mailing list that covers such a 
large geographic area.


Pete, if you know someone specifically that quit and was complaining about the 
posts, I'd be interested in chatting with them, please forward this email to 
them.


Thanks
Charles
list administrator and lurker








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   All I know is that half the Austin cavers have gotten off Cavetex because of 
too many posts!

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Re: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes

[Julia Germany]

Interesting, Geary!

I just Googled for more info.  This article is most interesting.  It also 
states that the museum does have insurance coverage for the cars and building.  
The article I read yesterday may have been a generic comment about insurance 
and sinkholesso perhaps the museum also had a rider

Note there are two pages to this article:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/sinkhole-collapses-corvette-museum-kentucky-22477750

julia

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; jckusa jck...@gmail.com; texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 12:07 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes



When I lived up that way, you could get a specific rider on your policy for 
sinkholes and geotechnical foundation issues.
 
When I was in graduate school, I lived in a trailer about a mile from the 
museum and maybe a mile from the corvette plant. There were large sinkholes 
right in the trailer park.
 
It would be interesting to see if their policy covers the building and/or the 
cars.
 
Geary
 
From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:51 AM
To: jck...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes
 
Thanks!  I read this yesterday, and was surprised to learn that property 
(offices, homes), including vehicles, are NOT covered by insurance if damaged 
by a sinkhole. There is an exclusion specifically for sinkholes.  Granted, I 
live on the Gulf Coast, and the only sinkholes are on streets from underground 
leaking pipes. I got the impression from the article that this exclusion is 
national, not just in cave areas.

julia

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: John Kerr jck...@gmail.com
To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:32 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Sinkhole in KY claims Corvettes


FWIW.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/12/moment-sinkhole-opens-under-corvette-museum-caught-on-camera/

Re: [Texascavers] New dish for next convention

[Julia Germany]

Stefan Creaser - don't even think about cooking Armadillos! I would have to 
hurt you ;)

- from julia's cell

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 17:34, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/9-000-year-old-recipe-roast-armadillo-n24806?gt1=43001

Re: [Texascavers] New dish for next convention

[Julia Germany]

Well, if you only pick up the hitchhikers sun bathing on the side of the road, 
I won't hurt you!

- from julia's cell

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 17:56, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote:
 
 But Vico and Gary tell me they’re really good!  Best pork you’ve ever had…
  
 Now what was in that pulled pork last year? ;-)
  
 From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] 
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:47 PM
 To: Louise Power
 Cc: texas cavers
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New dish for next convention
  
 Stefan Creaser - don't even think about cooking Armadillos! I would have to 
 hurt you ;)
 
 - from julia's cell
 
 On Feb 13, 2014, at 17:34, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/9-000-year-old-recipe-roast-armadillo-n24806?gt1=43001
 
 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
 confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended 
 recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the 
 contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the 
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Re: [Texascavers] Women Cavers' Survey

[Julia Germany]

Worked for me!

Thanks for posting!

julia

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 2:44 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Women Cavers' Survey



I was told the last attempt to post this on TexasCavers included a faulty link. 
This is directly from the author of the survey, so I hope the link works.


 
 
 
  On Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:50 PM, Lisa Bauman lisabauma...@gmail.com 
wrote:
  
  

  


[Attachment(s) from Lisa Bauman included below]

TAKE SURVEY (women cavers)
https://www.murvey.com/s?52d71543c17c0a7d1a000cfb
Check out this image (attached) to find out what states and counties have been 
polled so far. 
Ladies, you have about 60 more days to represent! Also, I only have access to 
NW region area yahoo forums. Please pass this along so that grottos all over 
the US can have a chance to be included. 
THANK YOU!

 
__._,_.___

Attachment(s) from Lisa Bauman

 1 of 1 Photo(s)  


  

 Screenshot_2014-01-19-11-43-55-1.png
  
  
  


  
 
  
 

Re: [Texascavers] 6th International Workshop on Ice Caves: Call for Papers

[Julia Germany]

 COOL!!

I checked out the Web site and am very impressed by the layout and style and 
ease of use.  Upon reading the fine print, I learned the Web site was created 
and maintained by The Texas Caver editor, Jill Orr.

EXCELLENT JOB, JILL!

As George mentioned, this is the first time this workshop will be held in the 
US, and for good reason. I am sure it will be a long time before it comes back 
to the US.

Take advantage.  There are opportunities for ice caving, and Idaho is beautiful 
in August, when Texas is blazing hot!

Thanks for the heads up George, and great job getting NCKRI as the US sponsor.  
No wonder you never sleep.  You are too busy partnering with other orgs to 
bring us excellent cave information.

julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org
To: New Mexico Cavers s...@caver.net; TexasCavers. com 
Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 4:59 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] 6th International Workshop on Ice Caves: Call for Papers



Dear Friends,
 
The 6th International Workshop on Ice Caves (IWIC-VI) is coming to Idaho Falls, 
Idaho, USA, on 17-22 August 2014 and I’m pleased to announce our Call for 
Papers! This will be the first IWIC outside of Europe and an excellent 
opportunity for North American ice scientists to attend. We welcome papers on 
any topic involving cave ice. Major themes include:
·Cave glaciology and ice dynamics
·Cave meteorology and climatology
·Cryo-mineralogy and cryo-crystallography
·Paleoclimatology and global change
·Chemistry and geochemistry of ice caves
·Ice cave management and technology
·Glacier caves
 
Please note that there is no separate abstract submission procedure. We 
encourage submission of full manuscripts but will accept extended abstracts for 
publication in the conference proceedings volume. The deadline for submission 
of all manuscripts and extended abstracts is 14 April, 2014.
 
For more information on the conference, visithttp://www.iwic-vi.org/index.html. 
Also, look for the announcement on the opening of registration for IWIC-VI, 
which will to start soon.
 
IWIC is a series of conferences devoted entirely to ice cave studies, where 
international experts discuss ongoing research efforts and promote global 
cooperation in ice cave science and management. IWIC is a conference of the 
Glacier, Firn, and Ice Caves Commission of the International Union of 
Speleology, and IWIC-VI is being hosted by the National Cave and Karst Research 
Institute of the USA.
 
On behalf of the IWIC-VI Organizing Committee, we look forward to receiving 
your papers and meeting you in Idaho Falls in August 2014.
 
Please forward or post this message to anyone who may be interested. Thank you.
 
George


George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
 

[Texascavers] Fwd: Karst Abstract Opportunities @ S. Central GSA - Fayetteville - deadline approaching!

[Julia Germany]

FYI



 

From: Marcus Gary [mailto:mg...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:31 AM
To: Sharp, John M
Subject: FW: Karst Abstract Opportunities @ S. Central GSA - Fayetteville - 
deadline approaching!

 

 

 

Marcus Gary, Ph.D., P.G.

Senior Hydrogeologist - Aquifer Science Team

Edwards Aquifer Authority
1615 N. St. Mary's Street
San Antonio, TX 78215
(210) 222-2204
mg...@edwardsaquifer.org

 



 
TWO great Karst Sessions on the Program for the spring  South Central GSA 
meeting, which will be in Fayetteville, AR  on March 17-18, 2014.

Abstracts are due soon!  (due midnight Tuesday, December 3, 2013)


You and your students are invited to submit an abstract of your current 
research for either the session “Investigating Urban Karst Systems”   or  
“Karst Hydrogeology and Geomorphology.”


I also hear that plans are underway for another famous HydroDays event to be 
held in conjunction with the meeting, and students always find the HydroDays to 
be fun and insightful.


So, please make your plans now – the Abstract deadline is coming up quickly and 
will hit soon after the Thanksgiving break.  Let’s make this a great meeting to 
highlight the importance of Karst research!


Looking forward to seeing you in Fayetteville, please contact me with any 
questions.


Regards -  Doug Gouzie, Missouri State University
 

[Texascavers] Discover Texas Dinosaurs at Fossil Fest!

[Julia Germany]

 The have cool rocks, too.  I bet some of the fossils may have been found in 
cave somewhere.

julia

 

 

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From: Paleontological Society of Austin 
paleontological_society_of_au...@mail.vresp.com
To: germanyj germa...@aol.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 9:02 am
Subject: Discover Texas Dinosaurs at Fossil Fest!




Dear Julia,

Discover Texas Dinosaurs at the Paleontological Society of Austin's 23rd Annual 
Fossil Fest on Saturday  Sunday, December 7  8 (9 am to 5 pm) at Old Settlers 
Association Headquarters, 3300 Palm Valley Blvd. in Round Rock, TX 
(intersection of Hwy 79  Harrell Pkwy, next to the Dell Diamond).

What's in your backyard? Discover Texas Dinosaurs! Our show theme this year 
highlights fossils from the Austin area and Texas. A fun and educational event 
for the entire family with door prizes, demos, displays, a spin the Wheel of 
Fossils, a fossil Dig Pit and dealers from around the country selling fossils 
and fossil related material from around the world. Admission is $3.00 for 
Adults, $2.00 for Students and Children under 6 are free.

More detailed info at www.austinpaleo.org/fest.

Teachers - Learn about our educational program, Extra Credit for your students 
and how to earn a free fossil kit for your classroom at  
www.austinpaleo.org/Fest/2013/FlyerTeacher.pdf.

Homeschoolers - Learn about our educational program at  
www.austinpaleo.org/Fest/2013/FlyerHomeschool.pdf.

Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts  Youth Groups - Boy Scouts, are you working toward 
your Geology Belt Loop / Academic Pin?   Girl Scouts, do you dream that I can 
be... a Paleontologist?  Our special educational presentations can focus on 
fulfilling badge requirements.  Learn about our educational program at  
www.austinpaleo.org/Fest/2013/FlyerScout.pdf.

Fieldtrips (School / Scout / Youth Group) - Groups of 10 or more receive 
special educational support  reduced admission by pre-registering at  
www.austinpaleo.org/signup.

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Journal of Hydrology: Regional Studies – new open access journal coming soon

[Julia Germany]

 I am sure this somehow cave related, and might even be useful for KIP - the 
Karst Information Portal.

julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Sharp, John M jmsh...@jsg.utexas.edu
Sent: Mon, Nov 18, 2013 9:50 am
Subject: FW: Journal of Hydrology: Regional Studies – new open access journal 
coming soon



 
 

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To: Sharp, John M
Subject: Journal of Hydrology: Regional Studies – new open access journal 
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Re: [Texascavers] Paradise Canyon Caving

[Julia Germany]

 Just before TCR, on this listserv (or maybe it was the TCR FB page), I 
commented that with no water, we could easily cross the river bed and do 
exactly what Kurt is doing and I was told that we were not allowed on the 
property on the other side.  

Kurt - who owns that property and did you get their permission?  I really want 
to come play with y'all.  Feel free to answer those questions privately.  I am 
available those dates

Also, I am off 13 Dec-02 Jan, so anyone out there reading this, let me know of 
any upcoming trips.

Thanks!
julia germany

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org
Cc: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paradise Canyon Caving


Yall please be aware of histo (and other lung fungus) being present in those 
little dry, dusty, windless caves. Also soft ticks that carry Lime (type) 
Diseases and Relapsing Fever. 
--Ediger




On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org wrote:


I have set up a trip for November 22-24 to search for and map any caves in the 
cliff across from Paradise Canyon.  During TCR Myself, Fran Hutchins, and Rob 
Bissett, surveyed a 120’ long cave I found several years ago.  There are 
numerous shelters visible, some of which I’ve checked out that have differing 
amounts of passage that needs to be surveyed and maps made.  There are also 
many more that I’ve never been to. 
 
I’d like to have enough cavers for 4 or 5 teams to divide up and take on 
specific areas.  I’d like to have 2 or 3 teams tackle the high leads that most 
likely will require rope work to reach the entrances.  Plus I’d like to have at 
least 2 teams do a thorough inventory of the lower cliff.
 
Camping will be available Friday-Sunday.  We’ll have the place to ourselves, 
and the bathrooms, and showers will be functional.  My wife plans to make group 
meals Saturday Morning  Evening, and Sunday morning.  We’d like to collect $5 
each to cover the food costs.  I’ll send out more info on the food as we get 
closer to those who have let me know they are coming. 
 
Please let me know if you want to come so we can have enough food.
 
Bring your survey gear if you have any, and plan on having some good dirty fun.
 
Kurt

Re: [Texascavers] Cavers on furlough

[Julia Germany]

Sadly true, Nico!
 

 

-Original Message-
From: Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com
To: Herman Miller her...@cavechat.org
Cc: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; Mailing List 
texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavers on furlough


The agency that sometimes shoots people on the wrong side of the river

El jueves, 10 de octubre de 2013, Herman Miller  escribió:

I'm a federal agent under DHS in one of the most controversial and scorned 
agencies in the country.



On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:


Who do you work for? We've been banned from our office until this is over. 
Drove past the office yesterday and the parking lot looked very vacant. Only 
ones allowed to continue are law enforcement and fire dispatch. And our hazmat 
person is on call.



Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:35:23 -0500
From: her...@cavechat.org
To: dlocklea...@gmail.com
CC: texascavers@texascavers.com

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavers on furlough



I continue to go to work everyday with the promise of backpay but thankfully I 
have been able to postpone most of my bills until I start getting paid again.  
Work is harder now as I do not have the support staff I used to and I may end 
up missing the first two days of TCR as I cant take leave currently as I am a 
critical employee of the government.



On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:27 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

I am curious how the furlough is affecting cavers.





  

Re: [Texascavers] Cavers on furlough

[Julia Germany]

Does that pass supersede an idiotic closure of national park access?

- from julia's cell

 On Oct 9, 2013, at 18:21, James Brown james.c.br...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a free lifetime pass.  I'm not a Senior.  
 
 James
 
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 321-895-4875 • DID/Google Voice • Cloud Telephone Number/SMS
 
 
 Sent from my iPad.
 
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote:
 
 I did not go to Big Bend National Park last weekend
 So much for buying a yearly pass
 Think I could sue the Gub'ment ?
 
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
 
 
 Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote:
 
 I was kicked out of Mesa Verde NP and blocked from entering Canyonlands NP  
 Arches NP this past week.
 
 Sent cellularly.
 -Don
 
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote:
 
 I think it’s affecting them by preventing some of them going to work :-P
  
 From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:28 PM
 To: CaveTex
 Subject: [Texascavers] Cavers on furlough
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Recent accidents

[Julia Germany]

 Man, I love all you guys - y'all knock that shit off. We still have lots of 
fun times ahead of us, and hopefully together, either collectively, or 
individually.

Wishing all of you full and speedy recoveries, regardless of when the injuries 
happened.  And from now on, pretend you're on rope and be tethered if you're 
going to dance with ladders, play slip and slide in bathrooms or fall in pits!

Hugs to each of you!
julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: dirtdoc dirt...@comcast.net
To: Jacqueline Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net
Cc: Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2013 5:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Recent accidents



So Ediger wins, right?




 On Sep 30, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote:

 A thorough analysis reveals that all of these recent accidents had one thing 
 in common:  gender.

 Alex Sproul, Sept 2013:  falls off ladder

 Gill Ediger, Aug 2013:  falls into pit

 Dwight Deal, June 2013:  falls off ladder

 Pete Strickland, Sept 2012:  falls in bathroom

[Texascavers] Fwd: NWS Austin/San Antonio- Flood Warning- Devils River in Val Verde County 092013

[Julia Germany]

- from julia's cell

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Germany, Julia G julia.germ...@dps.texas.gov
 Date: September 20, 2013, 9:43:38 CDT
 To: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com
 Subject: FW: NWS Austin/San Antonio- Flood Warning- Devils River in Val Verde 
 County 092013
 
  
  
 From: State of Texas SOC 
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:07 AM
 Subject: NWS Austin/San Antonio- Flood Warning- Devils River in Val Verde 
 County 092013
  
 
  
 BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
 FLOOD WARNING
 NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX
 857 AM CDT FRI SEP 20 2013
  
 ...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO HAS ISSUED
  A FLOOD WARNING FOR THE...
  
   DEVILS RIVER
   
 PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
  
 ALL PERSONS WITH INTERESTS ALONG THE RIVER SHOULD MONITOR
 THE LATEST FORECASTS...AND BE PREPARED TO TAKE NECESSARY
 PRECAUTIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY.
  
 RIVER STAGE FORECASTS ARE BASED ON OBSERVED RAINFALL ALONG WITH
 PREDICTED RAIN FOR THE NEXT 12 HOURS. IF ACTUAL RAINFALL VARIES
 FROM FORECAST VALUES...FORECAST RIVER STAGES WILL VARY.
  
 DO NOT DRIVE AUTOMOBILES THROUGH FLOODED AREAS. REMEMBER...18 INCHES
 OF WATER OR LESS CAN CARRY AWAY MOST VEHICLES...INCLUDING TRUCKS.
  
 IF YOU SEE FLOOD WATERS OR COME UPON A FLOODED ROADWAY...REMEMBER
 TO TURN AROUND AND DO NOT DROWN.
  
 FOR THE LATEST RIVER STAGES AND FORECASTS VISIT OUR WEB PAGE AT
 WWW.SRH.NOAA.GOV/EWX.
  
  
 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO HAS ISSUED A
  
 * FLOOD WARNING FOR THE DEVILS RIVER AT BAKERS CROSSING 19N OF COMSTOCK.
 * UNTIL SUNDAY MORNING...OR UNTIL THE WARNING IS CANCELLED.
 * AT  8:15 AM FRIDAY THE STAGE WAS 11.9 FEET (3.6 METERS).
 * FLOOD STAGE IS 6.0 FEET (1.8 METERS).
 * MODERATE FLOODING IS OCCURRING AND MAJOR FLOODING IS FORECAST.
 * FORECAST...THE RIVER LEVEL WILL CONTINUE TO RISE RAPIDLY AND IS EXPECTED
   TO CREST AROUND 16 FEET OR 4.9 METERS BY LATE FRIDAY AFTERNOON.
 * IMPACT...AT 15 FEET OR 4.6 METERS, MAJOR FLOODING REACHES CAMPERS...AUTOS
   AND RV VEHICLES WELL AWAY FROM THE RIVER ABOVE JUNO TO AMISTAD RESERVOIR.
   LIVESTOCK ARE CUT OFF AND POTENTIALLY DROWNED. THERE IS WIDESPREAD DAMAGE
   TO ROADS AND FENCES.
 * FLOOD HISTORY...THIS CREST COMPARES TO A PREVIOUS CREST OF 15.5 FEET ON SEP 
 23
   1990.
  

Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving

[Julia Germany]

Breadcrumb trail.

- from julia's cell

On Sep 12, 2013, at 23:40, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote:

 Tie a long elastic band to yourself and a tree near the entrance.
 
 From: James Jasek [caver...@hot.rr.com]
 Sent: 12 September 2013 23:20
 To: TexasCavers Tex
 Subject: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
 
 What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about 
 solo climbing for exiting deep vertical cave. This is abut going in 500 to 
 1000 feet crawling walking with some short down/ up climbs.
 
 James Jasek
 
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[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] Dilation theory

[Julia Germany]

 Hi Donald!

MANY THANKS for providing the original document.  From beginning to end, I 
couldn't help but wonder if Hunter S Thompson was part of the road trip during 
which this paper was written, or were you just channeling him at the time.

And everyone knows that cave sex is the best sex, especially in virgin 
passages; the risks noted in paper be damned.

Greatly enjoyed it.  Thank you again for resurrecting this fantastically 
written paper.

Cavingly,
julia germany

 

 

-Original Message-
From: DONALD G. DAVIS dgda...@nyx.net
To: swr s...@caver.net
Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [SWR] Dilation theory


I'll attach a copy of my digital version here.

--Donald

 
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Re: [SWR] Dilation theory

[Julia Germany]

Thanks for clearing that up.  He may have been crude at times, but his wit, 
like yours, was incomparable.
 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: DONALD G. DAVIS dgda...@nyx.net
To: swr s...@caver.net
Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 9:38 pm
Subject: Re: [SWR] Dilation theory


Julia Germany germa...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi Donald!

MANY THANKS for providing the original document.  From beginning to end, I =
couldn't help but wonder if Hunter S Thompson was part of the road trip dur=
ing which this paper was written, or were you just channeling him at the ti=
me.

No, I haven't read any Hunter Thompson in my life.  What I've read 
of the man's crude behavior didn't strike me as attractive.  Anyway, he 
was still alive long after I wrote the Dilation Theory article.

--Donald
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[SWR] World's Largest Cave, Son Doong, Prepping For First Public Tours

[Julia Germany]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/07/son-doong_n_3873341.html

GREAT pics - interesting price!
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Re: [SWR] Dilation theory.

[Julia Germany]

http://www.marckbeggs.com/ALF/2000/taylor.html

Reference's The Donald's theory with excerpts.  Interesting reading. Would 
love to read Mr. Davis' publication, in English or German - apparently it was 
also widely translated

julia germany

 

 

 

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From: Peter Jones pjca...@gwi.net
To: Carl Pagano pagan...@comcast.net
Cc: Southwestern Region s...@caver.net; DONALD DAVIS dgda...@nyx.net
Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2013 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: [SWR] Dilation theory.



Carl, I think you're on to something here.  I agree, it would be great to have 
The Donald's theory published again.  Donald???….


Peter








On Sep 7, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Carl Pagano wrote:


Does anyone still have a copy of Donald Davis's cave dilation theory? If so, it 
would be worth publishing again given the increased number of sinkholes. The 
world is beginning to collapse on itself because there aren't enough people who 
believe that it is hollow anymore. It used to be that people thought the world 
was hollow. Cavers promoted this theory, but with the closure of so many caves 
due to ignorance, the world doesn't know just how many hollow places there 
are/were, and so they are de-dilating. 
  Carl….
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