Re: [Texascavers] underground rights
It was Indiana, Bill, and the case was Marengo Cave vs. Ross.
http://www.casebriefs.com/blog/law/property/property-law-keyed-to-cribbet/un
authorized-possession/marengo-cave-co-v-ross/
And on this timeline go to 1937:
http://www.tiki-toki.com/timeline/embed/33254/3861219897/#vars!date=1806-08-
17_08:23:17!
I actually studied it in a Business Law course in college, and subsequent
to that a friend of mine bought the cave (Gordon Smith).
Bill Steele
In a message dated 12/7/2013 12:48:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bmixon...@austin.rr.com writes:
There was a court case in Kentucky many years ago ('30s or '40s)
concerning a show cave that ran under a neighbor's property. In that
case it was determined that the owner of the surface owns to the
center of the earth. (Separation of mineral rights was not a question
in that case.) But that was just a local court in Kentucky and doesn't
have much standing in Texas. There are lots of exceptions to that
principle. For example, your well can suck water out from under a
neighbor's property without permission in Texas. Something closer to
parallel to the disposal-well question in Texas might be the rules
here about oil and gas resources. I don't know details, but I assume a
landowner cannot prevent an oil well on a neighbor's property on the
grounds that it will suck oil out from under his own, but no doubt
there are rules in place to assure he gets a cut. In the case of
disposal wells connected with oil and gas drilling or production,
something similar might be applicable. -- Mixon
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[Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave invitation for Dec. 14th trip
Those of you who read the Texas Caver likely know that the Dallas/Fort Worth Grotto has had a multi-year project underway to thoroughly explore and survey Spring Creek Cave, north of Boerne, Texas. The 6th season (Nov. - April due to the bats) is about to begin with a trip there on Dec. 14. This season will probably be the last one. Texas cavers are welcome to come and see the cave that Saturday. To do so you will need to either camp on Friday night, Dec. 13, at nearby commercial cave Cave Without a Name (CWAN - http://www.cavewithoutaname.com/), or arrive at CWAN no later than 9:00 a.m. on Saturday morning. Access to the CWAN property (gate combination) can be obtained the week of the trip by e-mailing me. Spring Creek Cave is a wetsuit cave. No exceptions. Fins are not needed. It is an easy cave, requires swimming, and a four hour trip in the cave will enable cavers to see over a mile of stream passage with a waterfall destination and turn-around point. Camping at CWAN will be fun with a campfire on Saturday night if there is no burn ban. If you haven't toured CWAN, commercial tours will be available on both Saturday and Sunday. An additional fun aspect of the Dec. 14 trip is that I will have an inflatable two-person kayak in the cave and available for people to take turns and use. There is a mile of navigable water in the cave starting near the entrance (half mile in and a half mile out). I cannot think of another Texas cave where kayaking in the cave is possible. There is a very good photo opportunity here, so bring your cameras. Please let me know if you plan to come. Cavingly, Bill Steele Irving, Texas
Re: [Texascavers] Solo
Jim, I would think that a lot of cavers don't want to admit to solo caving trips because it's such a bad idea. I told two stories on myself in my caving book, Huautla: Thirty Years in One of the World's Deepest Caves, pages 58 - 59 and 142 - 143. In both cases things could have gone bad. In the first one I was soloing in to an underground camp 300 meters deep. Being alone, I was rappelling ropes faster than I usually would. I also wasn't checking my rack attachment or having someone else check it at the top of every drop like usually happens. About half way down my rack came off my seat harness and fell onto the floor before I got to the next drop. In the other story I was nearly 1,000 meters deep in Sistema Huautla and wanted to check out a side lead. The two cavers I was with were tired and didn't want to, so they decided to take a nap and wait for me. Being alone, I covered ground fast, but also didn't have another pair of eyes along to pay close attention to the way back. For a while I couldn't find the way back. Solo caving is asking for it. You can't get on your cell phone and call for help. My advice is to not do it. Bill Steele In a message dated 9/15/2013 11:13:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, caver...@hot.rr.com writes: Thank you for your solo caving experience. You are only the third person to admit to actually doing a solo trip. Sounds like it was a memorable experience :) Most cavers seem to condemn solo caving, rightfully so, but I feel there is more solo caving going on than cavers admit to. I feel a solo trip has a lot to do with the cave and the desire to be underground than a disregard for safety Thank you Jim Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2013, at 1:03 AM, _vivbone@att.net_ (mailto:vivb...@att.net) wrote: My most memorable solo trip was probably the time I decided to go seek myself after my first painful nightmare enducing divorce. It must have been 1993 or so. Summertime in central California. I don't remember everything I had in my backpack. But I felt it was suitable for my planned overnight dry camp in a fairly small horizontal cave I knew, which was a 3 hr drive and a fairly steep 1/2 hr/1 hr hike from home. I do remember that I had a bit too much Jack Daniels in that pack. I probably also had my walkman and some tapes. A Hershey's with Almonds was in there. That was what introduced me to the wonderful mouse friend I made that night. He woke me up with his munching by my head. When I shined my headlamp to see who could possibly be making that much noise, he just looked at me and kept on munching. He let me pet him while I let him selectively eat out the almonds. I did a lot of staring deep into the dark that night. and listening to the very rare drip in an alcove. I didn't even start hitting the Jack until the next morning. Then I fell asleep in the sun at the entrance. I think the Indigo Girls put it well- I woke up with a headache like my head against a board. Twice as cloudy as I'd been the night before, when I went in seeking clarity. It was a hot hike out in the middle of the afternoon. Whew. I don't remember telling anyone where I went. It was fine. It was a humbling, beautiful, learning experience. It was only disappointing in that I found neither going passage, nor the meaning of life. For that I had to go to Monte Python. -Vivian Loftin From: _BMorgan994@aol.com_ (mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com) _BMorgan994@aol.com_ (mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com) To: _texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com) Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:43 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Solo So, how is solo caving different from solo trail running, solo hiking, or solo driving on rural roads. It isn't. The truth is that one dark passage much resembles another and the additional impediment of ropes and such makes it more trouble than it is worth when the glorious outdoors beckons. There are dangers out there too, almost as many as in a cave. Just as many places to break your leg plus farmers with shotguns, none of which stops me from trespassing solo at every possible opportunity. There is absolutely no way anybody is going to find me if I'm out exploring previously unexplored jungle when I don't even know which way I going to go myself. I was reminded of that the time when I was alone in the trackless jungle of Belize some thirty miles from the nearest road when a travertine shelf broke causing me to fall into a pit. It was a scary moment but I climbed out with no difficulty. From this I concluded that I simply needed to be more careful. Ditto for the time on the same trip when I found myself eye to eye with a huge tommygoff. Some people are goal oriented, on a given day they go to a specific place, tell people where they are going and when they are expected to
[Texascavers] ASS cavers
Anyone got information on a contact person for the ASS caving group at A M? Bill
[Texascavers] ASS cavers
Anyone got information on a contact person for the ASS caving group at A M? Bill
[Texascavers] Calling all grottos!
I was at the NSS convention last week and there was something really cool there we should bring to the upcoming TCR in October. I'd like to hear from an officer of all Texas grottos to pitch you the idea of sharing the cost. It'll be worth it. Thanks, Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Calling all grottos!
I was at the NSS convention last week and there was something really cool there we should bring to the upcoming TCR in October. I'd like to hear from an officer of all Texas grottos to pitch you the idea of sharing the cost. It'll be worth it. Thanks, Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Bill Stone on NPR
Bill Stone will be featured on tomorrow's episode of the TED Radio Hour onNPR, titled To The Edge. Here's a preview of the program: http://tunein.com/radio/TED-Radio-Hour-p418021/ Bill Steele Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Bill Stone on NPR
Bill Stone will be featured on tomorrow's episode of the TED Radio Hour onNPR, titled To The Edge. Here's a preview of the program: http://tunein.com/radio/TED-Radio-Hour-p418021/ Bill Steele Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Bill Stone on NPR
Bill Stone will be featured on tomorrow's episode of the TED Radio Hour onNPR, titled To The Edge. Here's a preview of the program: http://tunein.com/radio/TED-Radio-Hour-p418021/ Bill Steele Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Thumbs up on Honey Creek Cave video
Last night the link to a new in-depth video about the big Honey Creek Cave, Texas' longest cave, Tank Haul Extravaganza that happened in January of this year was posted on James Brown's Facebook page. It's 40 minutes long and very well done. I know that I'm impressed. Edited by Joe Furman. http://youtu.be/kG-sSnoXzYU A+ if you ask me. Cavingly, Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Thumbs up on Honey Creek Cave video
Last night the link to a new in-depth video about the big Honey Creek Cave, Texas' longest cave, Tank Haul Extravaganza that happened in January of this year was posted on James Brown's Facebook page. It's 40 minutes long and very well done. I know that I'm impressed. Edited by Joe Furman. http://youtu.be/kG-sSnoXzYU A+ if you ask me. Cavingly, Bill Steele
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Lounge Lizards
Here's a little morsel about Joe King Carrasco. In 1979 the Huautla Project held a benefit concert at Soap Creek Saloon in Austin to raise money to buy caving rope. Through Jim Lawless, a housemate of Blake Harrison's, I lined up Joe King to play at it. His band was to be one of three bands playing that night. But at the last minute he had to go to his mother's unexpected wedding in Utah. He told me that he would make good on it someday. Fast forward nearly 30 years. When I was recruited to be in charge of the Howdy Party for the ICS in 2009, and starting in 2007, I contacted Joe King through Ruff Daniels, who owns property next to some Joe King has near Marble Falls. King said he'd do it and to keep checking back with him. So I did. When it got to be within a few months, and he was living in Cabo San Lucas, Baja California and playing in bars there, he told me, I can't tell you for sure that I can be there! You're asking me to play in Texas in eight months, and I don't know where I'll be in eight days. So I canceled on Joe King Carrasco performing at the ICS Howdy Party and went instead with the Dusty Britches Band. Joe King knows some cavers and knows about caving. Bill Steele In a message dated 5/5/2013 8:07:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gi...@att.net writes: Does anybody know anything about this song, supposed to be released on 7 May 2013 by the Austin Lounge Lizards? “Spelunking with Joe King Carrasco” (a brilliantly layered, corrido-inflected ballad about, well, you get the idea). A friend of mine from Maryland said he heard it on the radio today. Some of yall will remember when the Austin Lounge Lizards used to play at TCR back when they were affordable and we had some insiders working magic.Others of you won't. --Ediger
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Lounge Lizards
Here's a little morsel about Joe King Carrasco. In 1979 the Huautla Project held a benefit concert at Soap Creek Saloon in Austin to raise money to buy caving rope. Through Jim Lawless, a housemate of Blake Harrison's, I lined up Joe King to play at it. His band was to be one of three bands playing that night. But at the last minute he had to go to his mother's unexpected wedding in Utah. He told me that he would make good on it someday. Fast forward nearly 30 years. When I was recruited to be in charge of the Howdy Party for the ICS in 2009, and starting in 2007, I contacted Joe King through Ruff Daniels, who owns property next to some Joe King has near Marble Falls. King said he'd do it and to keep checking back with him. So I did. When it got to be within a few months, and he was living in Cabo San Lucas, Baja California and playing in bars there, he told me, I can't tell you for sure that I can be there! You're asking me to play in Texas in eight months, and I don't know where I'll be in eight days. So I canceled on Joe King Carrasco performing at the ICS Howdy Party and went instead with the Dusty Britches Band. Joe King knows some cavers and knows about caving. Bill Steele In a message dated 5/5/2013 8:07:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gi...@att.net writes: Does anybody know anything about this song, supposed to be released on 7 May 2013 by the Austin Lounge Lizards? “Spelunking with Joe King Carrasco” (a brilliantly layered, corrido-inflected ballad about, well, you get the idea). A friend of mine from Maryland said he heard it on the radio today. Some of yall will remember when the Austin Lounge Lizards used to play at TCR back when they were affordable and we had some insiders working magic.Others of you won't. --Ediger
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Lounge Lizards
Here's a little morsel about Joe King Carrasco. In 1979 the Huautla Project held a benefit concert at Soap Creek Saloon in Austin to raise money to buy caving rope. Through Jim Lawless, a housemate of Blake Harrison's, I lined up Joe King to play at it. His band was to be one of three bands playing that night. But at the last minute he had to go to his mother's unexpected wedding in Utah. He told me that he would make good on it someday. Fast forward nearly 30 years. When I was recruited to be in charge of the Howdy Party for the ICS in 2009, and starting in 2007, I contacted Joe King through Ruff Daniels, who owns property next to some Joe King has near Marble Falls. King said he'd do it and to keep checking back with him. So I did. When it got to be within a few months, and he was living in Cabo San Lucas, Baja California and playing in bars there, he told me, I can't tell you for sure that I can be there! You're asking me to play in Texas in eight months, and I don't know where I'll be in eight days. So I canceled on Joe King Carrasco performing at the ICS Howdy Party and went instead with the Dusty Britches Band. Joe King knows some cavers and knows about caving. Bill Steele In a message dated 5/5/2013 8:07:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gi...@att.net writes: Does anybody know anything about this song, supposed to be released on 7 May 2013 by the Austin Lounge Lizards? “Spelunking with Joe King Carrasco” (a brilliantly layered, corrido-inflected ballad about, well, you get the idea). A friend of mine from Maryland said he heard it on the radio today. Some of yall will remember when the Austin Lounge Lizards used to play at TCR back when they were affordable and we had some insiders working magic.Others of you won't. --Ediger
[Texascavers] Update of British expedition to Sistema Huautla
This was just posted on the Huautla Cave Diving Expedition Facebook page: Earlier this week the dive team returned from beyond the sump after spending one week camping and exploring. After compiling survey data we can report that Sistema Huautla is now 1,545m deep. Sump 9 was pushed to a length of 410m and depth of 81m on the final dive. In addition to this 1,774m of new dry passage was surveyed although no bypass to Sump 9 could be located. This makes the total extra survey length 2,184m. The new depth of Sistema Huautla makes it the deepest cave in the Western hemisphere. Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Update of British expedition to Sistema Huautla
This was just posted on the Huautla Cave Diving Expedition Facebook page: Earlier this week the dive team returned from beyond the sump after spending one week camping and exploring. After compiling survey data we can report that Sistema Huautla is now 1,545m deep. Sump 9 was pushed to a length of 410m and depth of 81m on the final dive. In addition to this 1,774m of new dry passage was surveyed although no bypass to Sump 9 could be located. This makes the total extra survey length 2,184m. The new depth of Sistema Huautla makes it the deepest cave in the Western hemisphere. Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Update of British expedition to Sistema Huautla
This was just posted on the Huautla Cave Diving Expedition Facebook page: Earlier this week the dive team returned from beyond the sump after spending one week camping and exploring. After compiling survey data we can report that Sistema Huautla is now 1,545m deep. Sump 9 was pushed to a length of 410m and depth of 81m on the final dive. In addition to this 1,774m of new dry passage was surveyed although no bypass to Sump 9 could be located. This makes the total extra survey length 2,184m. The new depth of Sistema Huautla makes it the deepest cave in the Western hemisphere. Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Report just in from British expedition to Sistema Huautla
News just in from the British expedition to Sistema Huautla: The divers are back on the surface after a week spent camping on the far side of the two long sumps located at the bottom of the cave system. They found about 1.5 km of new passage and the Sump 9 dive ended up at approx 450m in at a depth of 80m. Everything is back through the sumps and a lot of gear (if not all by now) is either at Camp 3 or back at the 620m depot. So, they added 80m in depth, which makes Sistema Huautla now 1,555m deep, the deepest cave in the Western Hemisphere again (which it hasn't been for about 20 years), and moves it up the list from world's 12th deepest cave to now the 8th. Bill Steele
Re: [Texascavers] Huautla dive
The news comes via Facebook from about two hours ago. The exact quote, posted by British caver Rich Hudson is: Found about 1.5 km of new passage and the sump 9 dive ended up at approx 450 m in at a depth of 80m. Sterling effort by Jason on his last 3 hr dive. Appears it was Jason Mallinson. Bill In a message dated 3/21/2013 1:58:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bmixon...@austin.rr.com writes: Thanks for the update, Bill. A pretty hardcore dive. Too bad it didn't turn up more dry borehole. And the new depth of Huautla ends the weirdness of Cheve being #1 and Huautla #2 based on a difference of only 9 meters in depth, when neither survey was likely to have been that accurate. A depth differences of 71 meters is more believable. If Jason Mallinson did the dive in Huautla, he beat his own record in Cheve. -- Mixon Don't be led astray into the paths of virtue. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Report just in from British expedition to Sistema Huautla
News just in from the British expedition to Sistema Huautla: The divers are back on the surface after a week spent camping on the far side of the two long sumps located at the bottom of the cave system. They found about 1.5 km of new passage and the Sump 9 dive ended up at approx 450m in at a depth of 80m. Everything is back through the sumps and a lot of gear (if not all by now) is either at Camp 3 or back at the 620m depot. So, they added 80m in depth, which makes Sistema Huautla now 1,555m deep, the deepest cave in the Western Hemisphere again (which it hasn't been for about 20 years), and moves it up the list from world's 12th deepest cave to now the 8th. Bill Steele
Re: [Texascavers] Huautla dive
The news comes via Facebook from about two hours ago. The exact quote, posted by British caver Rich Hudson is: Found about 1.5 km of new passage and the sump 9 dive ended up at approx 450 m in at a depth of 80m. Sterling effort by Jason on his last 3 hr dive. Appears it was Jason Mallinson. Bill In a message dated 3/21/2013 1:58:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bmixon...@austin.rr.com writes: Thanks for the update, Bill. A pretty hardcore dive. Too bad it didn't turn up more dry borehole. And the new depth of Huautla ends the weirdness of Cheve being #1 and Huautla #2 based on a difference of only 9 meters in depth, when neither survey was likely to have been that accurate. A depth differences of 71 meters is more believable. If Jason Mallinson did the dive in Huautla, he beat his own record in Cheve. -- Mixon Don't be led astray into the paths of virtue. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Huautla dive
The news comes via Facebook from about two hours ago. The exact quote, posted by British caver Rich Hudson is: Found about 1.5 km of new passage and the sump 9 dive ended up at approx 450 m in at a depth of 80m. Sterling effort by Jason on his last 3 hr dive. Appears it was Jason Mallinson. Bill In a message dated 3/21/2013 1:58:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bmixon...@austin.rr.com writes: Thanks for the update, Bill. A pretty hardcore dive. Too bad it didn't turn up more dry borehole. And the new depth of Huautla ends the weirdness of Cheve being #1 and Huautla #2 based on a difference of only 9 meters in depth, when neither survey was likely to have been that accurate. A depth differences of 71 meters is more believable. If Jason Mallinson did the dive in Huautla, he beat his own record in Cheve. -- Mixon Don't be led astray into the paths of virtue. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Movie about Jews hiding in a Ukraine cave during WWII soon to be released
Cavers who attended the Houston party hosted by Louise Hose and Paul Dye following the 2009 International Congress of Speleology will remember the riveting slide show by New York caver Chris Nicola about a cave in the Ukraine that Jews hid out in over a year during WWII. A movie about it has been made and here is the trailer. _http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/the-film/about-the-film/_ (http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/the-film/about-the-film/) Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Movie about Jews hiding in a Ukraine cave during WWII soon to be released
Cavers who attended the Houston party hosted by Louise Hose and Paul Dye following the 2009 International Congress of Speleology will remember the riveting slide show by New York caver Chris Nicola about a cave in the Ukraine that Jews hid out in over a year during WWII. A movie about it has been made and here is the trailer. _http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/the-film/about-the-film/_ (http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/the-film/about-the-film/) Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Movie about Jews hiding in a Ukraine cave during WWII soon to be released
Cavers who attended the Houston party hosted by Louise Hose and Paul Dye following the 2009 International Congress of Speleology will remember the riveting slide show by New York caver Chris Nicola about a cave in the Ukraine that Jews hid out in over a year during WWII. A movie about it has been made and here is the trailer. _http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/the-film/about-the-film/_ (http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/the-film/about-the-film/) Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Paging Andy Zenker
Please send me an e-mail. I have a question. Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Paging Andy Zenker
Please send me an e-mail. I have a question. Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Paging Andy Zenker
Please send me an e-mail. I have a question. Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Seeking Texas grotto information for the Texas Caver newsletter
Good morning, Texas cavers, Our new editor of the Texas Caver, Jill Orr, is seeking material for the next issue. I have volunteered to seek a couple of paragraphs from each grotto in Texas and have a regular column about grotto goin-ons. I just dashed out the two paragraphs below about my grotto. Please, would the chairperson of each grotto, or someone delegated by the chairperson or who just wants to do it, send me a couple of paragraphs about their grotto? I'd really like to get these by next Sunday. I'm leaving for a caving expedition to China on Dec. 16 and have a lot to get ready. DFW Grotto The Dallas-Fort Worth Grotto is about 52 years old. It meets once a month at the Dallas REI on the fourth Wednesday night of the month. The meetings last two hours with an hour of it being business, announcements, trip reports, and upcoming caving trips, and an hour devoted to a presentation, almost always a narrated slide show. After the meeting most people go to a nearby Taco Cabana restaurant for fellowship and talk of caving past and future. Members of the DFW Grotto are conducting a project to thoroughly explore and map Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas, one of the dozen longest caves in the state. Its members go caving in a multitude of places such as Texas, Arkansas, New Mexico, Arkansas, TAG, Kentucky, Mexico, China, etc. The current grotto chair is Steve Webb, with the chair-elect being Natasha Glasgow. Besides Steve Webb as chair in 2012, the vice chairperson (in charge of grotto programs) was Natasha Glasgow, secretary Charles Goldsmith, and treasurer Diana Tomchick. Other incoming officers are Jay Jordan - vice chairperson, Jake McLeod - secretary, and Diana Tomchick will remain as treasurer. Thanks for your help with this. Cavingly yours, Bill Steele PS - Editor Jill Orr is looking for someone with each grotto to ride herd on grotto members to get articles written and sent to her. I'm going to do so for the DFW Grotto. Jake McLeod, if you read this, know that I'm going to ask you to write one about becoming a caver in Texas. You sure have done that over the past six months.
[Texascavers] Seeking Texas grotto information for the Texas Caver newsletter
Good morning, Texas cavers, Our new editor of the Texas Caver, Jill Orr, is seeking material for the next issue. I have volunteered to seek a couple of paragraphs from each grotto in Texas and have a regular column about grotto goin-ons. I just dashed out the two paragraphs below about my grotto. Please, would the chairperson of each grotto, or someone delegated by the chairperson or who just wants to do it, send me a couple of paragraphs about their grotto? I'd really like to get these by next Sunday. I'm leaving for a caving expedition to China on Dec. 16 and have a lot to get ready. DFW Grotto The Dallas-Fort Worth Grotto is about 52 years old. It meets once a month at the Dallas REI on the fourth Wednesday night of the month. The meetings last two hours with an hour of it being business, announcements, trip reports, and upcoming caving trips, and an hour devoted to a presentation, almost always a narrated slide show. After the meeting most people go to a nearby Taco Cabana restaurant for fellowship and talk of caving past and future. Members of the DFW Grotto are conducting a project to thoroughly explore and map Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas, one of the dozen longest caves in the state. Its members go caving in a multitude of places such as Texas, Arkansas, New Mexico, Arkansas, TAG, Kentucky, Mexico, China, etc. The current grotto chair is Steve Webb, with the chair-elect being Natasha Glasgow. Besides Steve Webb as chair in 2012, the vice chairperson (in charge of grotto programs) was Natasha Glasgow, secretary Charles Goldsmith, and treasurer Diana Tomchick. Other incoming officers are Jay Jordan - vice chairperson, Jake McLeod - secretary, and Diana Tomchick will remain as treasurer. Thanks for your help with this. Cavingly yours, Bill Steele PS - Editor Jill Orr is looking for someone with each grotto to ride herd on grotto members to get articles written and sent to her. I'm going to do so for the DFW Grotto. Jake McLeod, if you read this, know that I'm going to ask you to write one about becoming a caver in Texas. You sure have done that over the past six months.
[Texascavers] Seeking Texas grotto information for the Texas Caver newsletter
Good morning, Texas cavers, Our new editor of the Texas Caver, Jill Orr, is seeking material for the next issue. I have volunteered to seek a couple of paragraphs from each grotto in Texas and have a regular column about grotto goin-ons. I just dashed out the two paragraphs below about my grotto. Please, would the chairperson of each grotto, or someone delegated by the chairperson or who just wants to do it, send me a couple of paragraphs about their grotto? I'd really like to get these by next Sunday. I'm leaving for a caving expedition to China on Dec. 16 and have a lot to get ready. DFW Grotto The Dallas-Fort Worth Grotto is about 52 years old. It meets once a month at the Dallas REI on the fourth Wednesday night of the month. The meetings last two hours with an hour of it being business, announcements, trip reports, and upcoming caving trips, and an hour devoted to a presentation, almost always a narrated slide show. After the meeting most people go to a nearby Taco Cabana restaurant for fellowship and talk of caving past and future. Members of the DFW Grotto are conducting a project to thoroughly explore and map Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas, one of the dozen longest caves in the state. Its members go caving in a multitude of places such as Texas, Arkansas, New Mexico, Arkansas, TAG, Kentucky, Mexico, China, etc. The current grotto chair is Steve Webb, with the chair-elect being Natasha Glasgow. Besides Steve Webb as chair in 2012, the vice chairperson (in charge of grotto programs) was Natasha Glasgow, secretary Charles Goldsmith, and treasurer Diana Tomchick. Other incoming officers are Jay Jordan - vice chairperson, Jake McLeod - secretary, and Diana Tomchick will remain as treasurer. Thanks for your help with this. Cavingly yours, Bill Steele PS - Editor Jill Orr is looking for someone with each grotto to ride herd on grotto members to get articles written and sent to her. I'm going to do so for the DFW Grotto. Jake McLeod, if you read this, know that I'm going to ask you to write one about becoming a caver in Texas. You sure have done that over the past six months.
Re: [Texascavers] Ben Edelstein?
Here's a link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUqWFJWEMi4 -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 11:36 am Subject: [Texascavers] Ben Edelstein? Can someone put me in touch with Ben Edelstein? His video on a Mexican caving trip won the video salon at the NSS convention, and I'd like to get a copy for the AMCS archives. --Bill Mixon A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Ben Edelstein?
Here's a link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUqWFJWEMi4 -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 11:36 am Subject: [Texascavers] Ben Edelstein? Can someone put me in touch with Ben Edelstein? His video on a Mexican caving trip won the video salon at the NSS convention, and I'd like to get a copy for the AMCS archives. --Bill Mixon A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Ben Edelstein?
Here's a link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUqWFJWEMi4 -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 11:36 am Subject: [Texascavers] Ben Edelstein? Can someone put me in touch with Ben Edelstein? His video on a Mexican caving trip won the video salon at the NSS convention, and I'd like to get a copy for the AMCS archives. --Bill Mixon A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Tennessee's Marion O. Smith is officially an old man
Many Texas cavers have met and have gone caving with Marion O. Smith. He's done a lot of caving in Mexico. The first time I went caving with him, in 1969, he was 26 years old and I was 20. He said he was old, and he sure seemed a lot older, even then. But look at him now. Yesterday was Marion's 70th birthday. Not only did he go caving on his birthday, but he took a hard trip to dig in a cave. Here's a video shot of the trip: _http://vimeo.com/50114281_ (http://vimeo.com/50114281) Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Tennessee's Marion O. Smith is officially an old man
Many Texas cavers have met and have gone caving with Marion O. Smith. He's done a lot of caving in Mexico. The first time I went caving with him, in 1969, he was 26 years old and I was 20. He said he was old, and he sure seemed a lot older, even then. But look at him now. Yesterday was Marion's 70th birthday. Not only did he go caving on his birthday, but he took a hard trip to dig in a cave. Here's a video shot of the trip: _http://vimeo.com/50114281_ (http://vimeo.com/50114281) Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Tennessee's Marion O. Smith is officially an old man
Many Texas cavers have met and have gone caving with Marion O. Smith. He's done a lot of caving in Mexico. The first time I went caving with him, in 1969, he was 26 years old and I was 20. He said he was old, and he sure seemed a lot older, even then. But look at him now. Yesterday was Marion's 70th birthday. Not only did he go caving on his birthday, but he took a hard trip to dig in a cave. Here's a video shot of the trip: _http://vimeo.com/50114281_ (http://vimeo.com/50114281) Bill Steele
Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
You going? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Sender: dfwgrotto-boun...@dfwgrotto.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:29:20 To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers Listallcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grottodfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
I'm in Phoenix until Saturday. Big work conference. Did RD give the program? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:31:33 To: speleoste...@aol.com Subject: Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Unknown as of yet, way too soon to tell for my work schedule. Missed you last night, where are you this week? On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:30 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote: You going? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Sender: dfwgrotto-boun...@dfwgrotto.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:29:20 To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers Listallcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grottodfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
Good. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:34:04 To: speleoste...@aol.com Subject: Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Yes, did a good job showing their fun in the hurricane. On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:33 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote: I'm in Phoenix until Saturday. Big work conference. Did RD give the program? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:31:33 To: speleoste...@aol.com Subject: Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Unknown as of yet, way too soon to tell for my work schedule. Missed you last night, where are you this week? On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:30 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote: You going? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Sender: dfwgrotto-boun...@dfwgrotto.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:29:20 To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers Listallcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grottodfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
You going? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Sender: dfwgrotto-boun...@dfwgrotto.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:29:20 To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers Listallcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grottodfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
I'm in Phoenix until Saturday. Big work conference. Did RD give the program? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:31:33 To: speleoste...@aol.com Subject: Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Unknown as of yet, way too soon to tell for my work schedule. Missed you last night, where are you this week? On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:30 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote: You going? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Sender: dfwgrotto-boun...@dfwgrotto.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:29:20 To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers Listallcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grottodfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
You going? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Sender: dfwgrotto-boun...@dfwgrotto.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:29:20 To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers Listallcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grottodfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
I'm in Phoenix until Saturday. Big work conference. Did RD give the program? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:31:33 To: speleoste...@aol.com Subject: Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Unknown as of yet, way too soon to tell for my work schedule. Missed you last night, where are you this week? On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:30 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote: You going? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Sender: dfwgrotto-boun...@dfwgrotto.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:29:20 To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers Listallcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grottodfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
Good. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:34:04 To: speleoste...@aol.com Subject: Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Yes, did a good job showing their fun in the hurricane. On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:33 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote: I'm in Phoenix until Saturday. Big work conference. Did RD give the program? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:31:33 To: speleoste...@aol.com Subject: Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Unknown as of yet, way too soon to tell for my work schedule. Missed you last night, where are you this week? On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:30 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote: You going? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Sender: dfwgrotto-boun...@dfwgrotto.org Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:29:20 To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers Listallcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grottodfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I recommend it. El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, by Ioan Grillo. The dusk jacket says Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America since 2001 for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the Associated Press, PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday Telegraph. He has covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine seizures, and has discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three attorneys general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives in Mexico City. El Narco is his first book. Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened, witnessed firsthand by me. Bill Steele In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers. --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article: In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?... I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand? I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand. --Mixon I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works. That's when I wake up. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: _bmixon@alumni.uchicago.edu_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu) AMCS: _editor@amcs-pubs.org_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=edi...@amcs-pubs.org) or _sales@amcs-pubs.org_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sa...@amcs-pubs.org) - Visit our website: _http://texascavers.com_ (http://texascavers.com/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: _texascavers-unsubscribe@texascavers.com_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com) For additional commands, e-mail: _texascavers-help@texascavers.com_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-h...@texascavers.com)
Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I recommend it. El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, by Ioan Grillo. The dusk jacket says Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America since 2001 for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the Associated Press, PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday Telegraph. He has covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine seizures, and has discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three attorneys general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives in Mexico City. El Narco is his first book. Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened, witnessed firsthand by me. Bill Steele In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers. --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article: In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?... I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand? I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand. --Mixon I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works. That's when I wake up. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: _bmixon@alumni.uchicago.edu_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu) AMCS: _editor@amcs-pubs.org_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=edi...@amcs-pubs.org) or _sales@amcs-pubs.org_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sa...@amcs-pubs.org) - Visit our website: _http://texascavers.com_ (http://texascavers.com/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: _texascavers-unsubscribe@texascavers.com_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com) For additional commands, e-mail: _texascavers-help@texascavers.com_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-h...@texascavers.com)
Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
I just finished an excellent book on the sad situation in Mexico and I recommend it. El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, by Ioan Grillo. The dusk jacket says Ioan Grillo has reported on Latin America since 2001 for international media, including Time magazine, CNN, the Associated Press, PBS NewsHour, the Houston Chronicle, CBC, and the Sunday Telegraph. He has covered military operations, mafia killings, and cocaine seizures, and has discussed the drug war with two Mexican presidents, three attorneys general, and the U.S. ambassador. A native of England, he lives in Mexico City. El Narco is his first book. Grillo also got out there on the streets, barrios, and prisons and talked to the criminals themselves. There are areas of Mexico where most cavers are not going these days. I have projects in Tamaulipas and Guerrero which are on indefinite hold. I got scared off by things that really happened, witnessed firsthand by me. Bill Steele In a message dated 7/7/2012 7:25:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, freddiepoe...@yahoo.com writes: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers. --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article: In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?... I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand? I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand. --Mixon I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works. That's when I wake up. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: _bmixon@alumni.uchicago.edu_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu) AMCS: _editor@amcs-pubs.org_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=edi...@amcs-pubs.org) or _sales@amcs-pubs.org_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sa...@amcs-pubs.org) - Visit our website: _http://texascavers.com_ (http://texascavers.com/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: _texascavers-unsubscribe@texascavers.com_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com) For additional commands, e-mail: _texascavers-help@texascavers.com_ (http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-h...@texascavers.com)
Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: CM Cave Climb 2012-06-09
I didn't either. In a message dated 6/19/2012 8:41:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, l...@alumni.sfu.ca writes: I did not get that memo via CaveTex either. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Scott Boyd scottd...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Alman posted a message a few days ago, right here on this very mailing list about the changeover. I guess Jerry must have been sleeping in a cave or something... -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: CM Cave Climb 2012-06-09
I didn't either. In a message dated 6/19/2012 8:41:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, l...@alumni.sfu.ca writes: I did not get that memo via CaveTex either. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Scott Boyd scottd...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Alman posted a message a few days ago, right here on this very mailing list about the changeover. I guess Jerry must have been sleeping in a cave or something... -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: CM Cave Climb 2012-06-09
I didn't either. In a message dated 6/19/2012 8:41:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, l...@alumni.sfu.ca writes: I did not get that memo via CaveTex either. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Scott Boyd scottd...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Alman posted a message a few days ago, right here on this very mailing list about the changeover. I guess Jerry must have been sleeping in a cave or something... -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Webinar on Alaska Caves and Karst
Here's what I got: Alaska Caving, America's Final Frontier (https://www4.gotomeeting.com/join/738011247/106607800) Join us on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT In a message dated 6/6/2012 10:22:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org writes: Josh and George, Not sure why you guys didn’t get the time issue correct, the talk started at 8 pm CDT and ended at 9:30. Did you all get a different time notification. I’ve included Debbie Spoons, the session organizer. Maybe she can determine the issue. Sorry for the problems, Geary From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:19 PM To: George D. Nincehelser Cc: Geary Schindel; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Webinar on Alaska Caves and Karst Nor !. Josh On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:17 AM, George D. Nincehelser _george.nincehelser@gmail.com_ (mailto:george.nincehel...@gmail.com) wrote: Is the webinar working? It's 10:17 CDT and I'm not getting it. ??? George On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Geary Schindel _gschindel@edwardsaquifer.org_ (mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org) wrote: FYI, This should be a great program. Geary Alaska Caving, America's Final Frontier Join us for a Webinar on June 6 Space is limited. Reserve your Webinar seat now at: _https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/738011247_ (https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/738011247) Carlene and Kevin Allred are diehard Alaska cave explorers. They have been caving since the 70's and have spearheaded the exploration and mapping of hundreds of caves in Utah, California, Washington state, Hawaii and of course Alaska. Carlene has won three medals in the NSS Cartographic Salon for her cave maps. They will be talking about a few of their explorations and scientific finding in their almost 40 years of caving. This will be a great presentation with stunning cave pictures and great facts about the caves in the upper part of America. Together and with their kids they have organized many expeditions in the Western U.S. and Alaska. Many of these expeditions have been in Alaska's hostile and amazingly beautiful, Wrangle Mountain area. They are truly an amazing couple! Please come and enjoy this webinar from the comfort of your own home on your computer. Wednesday, June 6th at 8PM Central Time (7PM Mountain time, 6PM Pacific Time) Feel free to forward this to others that you think would like to attend. If you have any questions please contact Debbie Spoons, _ddspoons@yahoo.com_ (mailto:ddspo...@yahoo.com) Title: Alaska Caving, America's Final Frontier Date: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 Time: 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM Central time After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar. System Requirements PC-based attendees Required: Windows® 7, Vista, XP or 2003 Server Macintosh®-based attendees Required: Mac OS® X 10.5 or newer =
Re: [Texascavers] Webinar on Alaska Caves and Karst
Here's what I got: Alaska Caving, America's Final Frontier (https://www4.gotomeeting.com/join/738011247/106607800) Join us on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT In a message dated 6/6/2012 10:22:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org writes: Josh and George, Not sure why you guys didn’t get the time issue correct, the talk started at 8 pm CDT and ended at 9:30. Did you all get a different time notification. I’ve included Debbie Spoons, the session organizer. Maybe she can determine the issue. Sorry for the problems, Geary From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:19 PM To: George D. Nincehelser Cc: Geary Schindel; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Webinar on Alaska Caves and Karst Nor !. Josh On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:17 AM, George D. Nincehelser _george.nincehelser@gmail.com_ (mailto:george.nincehel...@gmail.com) wrote: Is the webinar working? It's 10:17 CDT and I'm not getting it. ??? George On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Geary Schindel _gschindel@edwardsaquifer.org_ (mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org) wrote: FYI, This should be a great program. Geary Alaska Caving, America's Final Frontier Join us for a Webinar on June 6 Space is limited. Reserve your Webinar seat now at: _https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/738011247_ (https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/738011247) Carlene and Kevin Allred are diehard Alaska cave explorers. They have been caving since the 70's and have spearheaded the exploration and mapping of hundreds of caves in Utah, California, Washington state, Hawaii and of course Alaska. Carlene has won three medals in the NSS Cartographic Salon for her cave maps. They will be talking about a few of their explorations and scientific finding in their almost 40 years of caving. This will be a great presentation with stunning cave pictures and great facts about the caves in the upper part of America. Together and with their kids they have organized many expeditions in the Western U.S. and Alaska. Many of these expeditions have been in Alaska's hostile and amazingly beautiful, Wrangle Mountain area. They are truly an amazing couple! Please come and enjoy this webinar from the comfort of your own home on your computer. Wednesday, June 6th at 8PM Central Time (7PM Mountain time, 6PM Pacific Time) Feel free to forward this to others that you think would like to attend. If you have any questions please contact Debbie Spoons, _ddspoons@yahoo.com_ (mailto:ddspo...@yahoo.com) Title: Alaska Caving, America's Final Frontier Date: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 Time: 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM Central time After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar. System Requirements PC-based attendees Required: Windows® 7, Vista, XP or 2003 Server Macintosh®-based attendees Required: Mac OS® X 10.5 or newer =
Re: [Texascavers] Webinar on Alaska Caves and Karst
Here's what I got: Alaska Caving, America's Final Frontier (https://www4.gotomeeting.com/join/738011247/106607800) Join us on Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM PDT In a message dated 6/6/2012 10:22:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org writes: Josh and George, Not sure why you guys didn’t get the time issue correct, the talk started at 8 pm CDT and ended at 9:30. Did you all get a different time notification. I’ve included Debbie Spoons, the session organizer. Maybe she can determine the issue. Sorry for the problems, Geary From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:19 PM To: George D. Nincehelser Cc: Geary Schindel; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Webinar on Alaska Caves and Karst Nor !. Josh On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 7:17 AM, George D. Nincehelser _george.nincehelser@gmail.com_ (mailto:george.nincehel...@gmail.com) wrote: Is the webinar working? It's 10:17 CDT and I'm not getting it. ??? George On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Geary Schindel _gschindel@edwardsaquifer.org_ (mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org) wrote: FYI, This should be a great program. Geary Alaska Caving, America's Final Frontier Join us for a Webinar on June 6 Space is limited. Reserve your Webinar seat now at: _https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/738011247_ (https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/738011247) Carlene and Kevin Allred are diehard Alaska cave explorers. They have been caving since the 70's and have spearheaded the exploration and mapping of hundreds of caves in Utah, California, Washington state, Hawaii and of course Alaska. Carlene has won three medals in the NSS Cartographic Salon for her cave maps. They will be talking about a few of their explorations and scientific finding in their almost 40 years of caving. This will be a great presentation with stunning cave pictures and great facts about the caves in the upper part of America. Together and with their kids they have organized many expeditions in the Western U.S. and Alaska. Many of these expeditions have been in Alaska's hostile and amazingly beautiful, Wrangle Mountain area. They are truly an amazing couple! Please come and enjoy this webinar from the comfort of your own home on your computer. Wednesday, June 6th at 8PM Central Time (7PM Mountain time, 6PM Pacific Time) Feel free to forward this to others that you think would like to attend. If you have any questions please contact Debbie Spoons, _ddspoons@yahoo.com_ (mailto:ddspo...@yahoo.com) Title: Alaska Caving, America's Final Frontier Date: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 Time: 8:00 PM - 9:00 PM Central time After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar. System Requirements PC-based attendees Required: Windows® 7, Vista, XP or 2003 Server Macintosh®-based attendees Required: Mac OS® X 10.5 or newer =
[Texascavers] NSS election results
From TagNet 1) NSS election results By: Cheryl Jones (Mclean, Virginia) cheryl.ca...@verizon.net [Re-posted from CaveChat. Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen that the info has been circulated. BTW, I heard from Allan that about 2090 ballots were cast, which is just a bit shy of last year's 2139. ] All, Here are the results of the 2012 NSS Director Election. Many thanks to all candidates who ran in the election. I have received many complements on the quality of the slate of candidates and their platforms. Congratulations to the five winners who will take a seat on the BOG on Monday, June 25, 2012 at our summer NSS Convention. It is my understanding that there is a sixth Director vacancy which occurred during the course of the election. According to the NSS By-laws this vacancy will be filled at the next meeting of the BOG which will occur on the Monday of our summer convention in Lewisburg, WV. The numbers given below may change very slightly over the next few weeks as some paper ballots postmarked by the May 1st deadline arrive. However, there are not enough paper ballots out there to make a difference in the final outcome of the election. Votes Received 1189 Carol Tiderman (2012-2015 Term) 977 Margot Geisler (2012-2015 Term) 971 Dick Mitchell (2012-2015 Term) 939 Mike Crockett (2012-2015 Term) 843 Peri Frantz (filling vacancy in 2011-2014 Term) 692 Jay Balakirsky 671 Walter Pickel 667 Gary Gibula 657 Robert David 'RD' Milhollin 614 Herman Miller 534 Buford Pruitt 37 Write-ins Please do not hesitate to call or e-mail with questions or comments. Sincerely, Allan Allan Weberg,Chairman NSS Nominating Committee aweb...@me.com 703-909-1047 http://www.caves.org/committee/nominating/index.shtml
[Texascavers] NSS election results
From TagNet 1) NSS election results By: Cheryl Jones (Mclean, Virginia) cheryl.ca...@verizon.net [Re-posted from CaveChat. Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen that the info has been circulated. BTW, I heard from Allan that about 2090 ballots were cast, which is just a bit shy of last year's 2139. ] All, Here are the results of the 2012 NSS Director Election. Many thanks to all candidates who ran in the election. I have received many complements on the quality of the slate of candidates and their platforms. Congratulations to the five winners who will take a seat on the BOG on Monday, June 25, 2012 at our summer NSS Convention. It is my understanding that there is a sixth Director vacancy which occurred during the course of the election. According to the NSS By-laws this vacancy will be filled at the next meeting of the BOG which will occur on the Monday of our summer convention in Lewisburg, WV. The numbers given below may change very slightly over the next few weeks as some paper ballots postmarked by the May 1st deadline arrive. However, there are not enough paper ballots out there to make a difference in the final outcome of the election. Votes Received 1189 Carol Tiderman (2012-2015 Term) 977 Margot Geisler (2012-2015 Term) 971 Dick Mitchell (2012-2015 Term) 939 Mike Crockett (2012-2015 Term) 843 Peri Frantz (filling vacancy in 2011-2014 Term) 692 Jay Balakirsky 671 Walter Pickel 667 Gary Gibula 657 Robert David 'RD' Milhollin 614 Herman Miller 534 Buford Pruitt 37 Write-ins Please do not hesitate to call or e-mail with questions or comments. Sincerely, Allan Allan Weberg,Chairman NSS Nominating Committee aweb...@me.com 703-909-1047 http://www.caves.org/committee/nominating/index.shtml
[Texascavers] NSS election results
From TagNet 1) NSS election results By: Cheryl Jones (Mclean, Virginia) cheryl.ca...@verizon.net [Re-posted from CaveChat. Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen that the info has been circulated. BTW, I heard from Allan that about 2090 ballots were cast, which is just a bit shy of last year's 2139. ] All, Here are the results of the 2012 NSS Director Election. Many thanks to all candidates who ran in the election. I have received many complements on the quality of the slate of candidates and their platforms. Congratulations to the five winners who will take a seat on the BOG on Monday, June 25, 2012 at our summer NSS Convention. It is my understanding that there is a sixth Director vacancy which occurred during the course of the election. According to the NSS By-laws this vacancy will be filled at the next meeting of the BOG which will occur on the Monday of our summer convention in Lewisburg, WV. The numbers given below may change very slightly over the next few weeks as some paper ballots postmarked by the May 1st deadline arrive. However, there are not enough paper ballots out there to make a difference in the final outcome of the election. Votes Received 1189 Carol Tiderman (2012-2015 Term) 977 Margot Geisler (2012-2015 Term) 971 Dick Mitchell (2012-2015 Term) 939 Mike Crockett (2012-2015 Term) 843 Peri Frantz (filling vacancy in 2011-2014 Term) 692 Jay Balakirsky 671 Walter Pickel 667 Gary Gibula 657 Robert David 'RD' Milhollin 614 Herman Miller 534 Buford Pruitt 37 Write-ins Please do not hesitate to call or e-mail with questions or comments. Sincerely, Allan Allan Weberg,Chairman NSS Nominating Committee aweb...@me.com 703-909-1047 http://www.caves.org/committee/nominating/index.shtml
[Texascavers] SCAM ALERT! Fwd: VACATION PROBLEM....Mark Gee
Texas cavers, I called Mark Gee this morning and alerted him that he had been hacked and the e-mail below had been received by me. Mark attended our grotto meeting last night. He is not in Madrid, Spain. He asked me to send this notice out to his friends. This happened to Mark a year or two ago and a Dallas/Fort Worth caver, who is living overseas these days, fell for it and sent $1,800 to the scamming crook. Be aware, Bill From: markageetxca...@yahoo.com Reply-to: markageetxac...@yahoo.com Sent: 3/29/2012 6:42:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: VACATION PROBLEMMark Gee Good Morning!! I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,my family and I came down here to Madrid,Spain for a short vacation unfortunately we were mugged at the park of the hotel where we stayed,all cash,credit card and cell were stolen off us but luckily for us we still have our passports with us. We've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not helping issues at all and our flight leaves in less than few hours from now but we're having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let us leave until we settle the bills,I'm freaked out at the moment. Mark.
[Texascavers] SCAM ALERT! Fwd: VACATION PROBLEM....Mark Gee
Texas cavers, I called Mark Gee this morning and alerted him that he had been hacked and the e-mail below had been received by me. Mark attended our grotto meeting last night. He is not in Madrid, Spain. He asked me to send this notice out to his friends. This happened to Mark a year or two ago and a Dallas/Fort Worth caver, who is living overseas these days, fell for it and sent $1,800 to the scamming crook. Be aware, Bill From: markageetxca...@yahoo.com Reply-to: markageetxac...@yahoo.com Sent: 3/29/2012 6:42:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: VACATION PROBLEMMark Gee Good Morning!! I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,my family and I came down here to Madrid,Spain for a short vacation unfortunately we were mugged at the park of the hotel where we stayed,all cash,credit card and cell were stolen off us but luckily for us we still have our passports with us. We've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not helping issues at all and our flight leaves in less than few hours from now but we're having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let us leave until we settle the bills,I'm freaked out at the moment. Mark.
[Texascavers] SCAM ALERT! Fwd: VACATION PROBLEM....Mark Gee
Texas cavers, I called Mark Gee this morning and alerted him that he had been hacked and the e-mail below had been received by me. Mark attended our grotto meeting last night. He is not in Madrid, Spain. He asked me to send this notice out to his friends. This happened to Mark a year or two ago and a Dallas/Fort Worth caver, who is living overseas these days, fell for it and sent $1,800 to the scamming crook. Be aware, Bill From: markageetxca...@yahoo.com Reply-to: markageetxac...@yahoo.com Sent: 3/29/2012 6:42:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: VACATION PROBLEMMark Gee Good Morning!! I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,my family and I came down here to Madrid,Spain for a short vacation unfortunately we were mugged at the park of the hotel where we stayed,all cash,credit card and cell were stolen off us but luckily for us we still have our passports with us. We've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not helping issues at all and our flight leaves in less than few hours from now but we're having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let us leave until we settle the bills,I'm freaked out at the moment. Mark.
Re: [Texascavers] Extreme Cave Diving
Cavers who have read either BEYOND THE DEEP or HUAUTLA: THIRTY YEARS IN ONE OF THE WORLD'S DEEPEST CAVES about caving at Sistema Huautla, Oaxaca, Mexico, may recognize Kenny Broad's name. He was one of the main exploratory cave divers on the epic 1994 expedition. Bill Steele In a message dated 3/14/2012 12:02:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tbsam...@verizon.net writes: Kenny Broad (on the NGS media roadshow) will be in Kansas City at the Kaufmann Center next week. Sounds interesting, but it's out of my price range. (Kauffmann Center is new and very snazzy.) Extreme Cave Diving: Exploring the Blue Holes of the Bahamas is the show's title. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Extreme Cave Diving
Cavers who have read either BEYOND THE DEEP or HUAUTLA: THIRTY YEARS IN ONE OF THE WORLD'S DEEPEST CAVES about caving at Sistema Huautla, Oaxaca, Mexico, may recognize Kenny Broad's name. He was one of the main exploratory cave divers on the epic 1994 expedition. Bill Steele In a message dated 3/14/2012 12:02:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tbsam...@verizon.net writes: Kenny Broad (on the NGS media roadshow) will be in Kansas City at the Kaufmann Center next week. Sounds interesting, but it's out of my price range. (Kauffmann Center is new and very snazzy.) Extreme Cave Diving: Exploring the Blue Holes of the Bahamas is the show's title. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Extreme Cave Diving
Cavers who have read either BEYOND THE DEEP or HUAUTLA: THIRTY YEARS IN ONE OF THE WORLD'S DEEPEST CAVES about caving at Sistema Huautla, Oaxaca, Mexico, may recognize Kenny Broad's name. He was one of the main exploratory cave divers on the epic 1994 expedition. Bill Steele In a message dated 3/14/2012 12:02:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tbsam...@verizon.net writes: Kenny Broad (on the NGS media roadshow) will be in Kansas City at the Kaufmann Center next week. Sounds interesting, but it's out of my price range. (Kauffmann Center is new and very snazzy.) Extreme Cave Diving: Exploring the Blue Holes of the Bahamas is the show's title. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Maryland cave rescue report
From TagNet this morning Washington County, MD, rescue... By: Dean Wiseman (Indianapolis, Indiana) jazzpi...@mohodisco.com A few weeks ago the world was aware of a cave rescue in Schetromph Cave in Washington County, Maryland. A short version of the account was released at that time, with a more detailed report to be released in the future. Well the future has arrived. The first link is a map of the cave. Red is the location of the gravity trap, and green is Stephen's working location. www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_map.pdf The following link is Stephen's account of what happened inside the cave. http://www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_inside.pdf www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_inside.pdf The following link details why the group was there, a description of the area where he was trapped, and a version of what appeared to have happened. The story as to how he actually got that way may need to be revised when the group feels like talking about the incident. http://www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf When reading these accounts, realize the participants want their privacy. Stephen wrote his account with abbreviations VF (as victim's friend) one, two and three. I did something similar with YM and YL for young man/lady. The 'in cave' pictures were taken by the students. I was told by Fire Chief Mike Reid from Clear Spring, that those pictures were for rescue workers only and not to be released to the public. Because there were different departments on the scene, no one knows how the leak occurred. I wish I could supply these accounts with pictures, but being sensitive to their original requests, I decided NOT to publish their pictures. That is not to say you can't find them. They did, some how, get released to the public. They were on web sites and TV news broadcasts. If you want pictures, you can find them if you look. _http://www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf_ (http://www.ca ves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf) Today, February 19, Stephen and I went over to the cave with a helmet camera to record video of the cave. We found out some things at the owners house. Unrelated to the cave rescue, the owner had his farm for sale. When we arrived today, a few guys were moving items to a trailer. The house has already sold and the new owners will take possession this coming Wednesday. As owners, no one followed up with them as to how the boy was, so we gave them a good report. And the night of the rescue, the young mother who lived there was trapped outside of a check point, and couldn't pass until the area cleared. These linked stories first appeared in Tri-State Grotto's premier publication, the Dead Dog Dispatch your friend, Jerry Bowen NSS 51562 301-465-2651 cell
[Texascavers] Maryland cave rescue report
From TagNet this morning Washington County, MD, rescue... By: Dean Wiseman (Indianapolis, Indiana) jazzpi...@mohodisco.com A few weeks ago the world was aware of a cave rescue in Schetromph Cave in Washington County, Maryland. A short version of the account was released at that time, with a more detailed report to be released in the future. Well the future has arrived. The first link is a map of the cave. Red is the location of the gravity trap, and green is Stephen's working location. www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_map.pdf The following link is Stephen's account of what happened inside the cave. http://www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_inside.pdf www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_inside.pdf The following link details why the group was there, a description of the area where he was trapped, and a version of what appeared to have happened. The story as to how he actually got that way may need to be revised when the group feels like talking about the incident. http://www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf When reading these accounts, realize the participants want their privacy. Stephen wrote his account with abbreviations VF (as victim's friend) one, two and three. I did something similar with YM and YL for young man/lady. The 'in cave' pictures were taken by the students. I was told by Fire Chief Mike Reid from Clear Spring, that those pictures were for rescue workers only and not to be released to the public. Because there were different departments on the scene, no one knows how the leak occurred. I wish I could supply these accounts with pictures, but being sensitive to their original requests, I decided NOT to publish their pictures. That is not to say you can't find them. They did, some how, get released to the public. They were on web sites and TV news broadcasts. If you want pictures, you can find them if you look. _http://www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf_ (http://www.ca ves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf) Today, February 19, Stephen and I went over to the cave with a helmet camera to record video of the cave. We found out some things at the owners house. Unrelated to the cave rescue, the owner had his farm for sale. When we arrived today, a few guys were moving items to a trailer. The house has already sold and the new owners will take possession this coming Wednesday. As owners, no one followed up with them as to how the boy was, so we gave them a good report. And the night of the rescue, the young mother who lived there was trapped outside of a check point, and couldn't pass until the area cleared. These linked stories first appeared in Tri-State Grotto's premier publication, the Dead Dog Dispatch your friend, Jerry Bowen NSS 51562 301-465-2651 cell
[Texascavers] Maryland cave rescue report
From TagNet this morning Washington County, MD, rescue... By: Dean Wiseman (Indianapolis, Indiana) jazzpi...@mohodisco.com A few weeks ago the world was aware of a cave rescue in Schetromph Cave in Washington County, Maryland. A short version of the account was released at that time, with a more detailed report to be released in the future. Well the future has arrived. The first link is a map of the cave. Red is the location of the gravity trap, and green is Stephen's working location. www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_map.pdf The following link is Stephen's account of what happened inside the cave. http://www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_inside.pdf www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_inside.pdf The following link details why the group was there, a description of the area where he was trapped, and a version of what appeared to have happened. The story as to how he actually got that way may need to be revised when the group feels like talking about the incident. http://www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf When reading these accounts, realize the participants want their privacy. Stephen wrote his account with abbreviations VF (as victim's friend) one, two and three. I did something similar with YM and YL for young man/lady. The 'in cave' pictures were taken by the students. I was told by Fire Chief Mike Reid from Clear Spring, that those pictures were for rescue workers only and not to be released to the public. Because there were different departments on the scene, no one knows how the leak occurred. I wish I could supply these accounts with pictures, but being sensitive to their original requests, I decided NOT to publish their pictures. That is not to say you can't find them. They did, some how, get released to the public. They were on web sites and TV news broadcasts. If you want pictures, you can find them if you look. _http://www.caves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf_ (http://www.ca ves.org/member/jerry/scr_outside.pdf) Today, February 19, Stephen and I went over to the cave with a helmet camera to record video of the cave. We found out some things at the owners house. Unrelated to the cave rescue, the owner had his farm for sale. When we arrived today, a few guys were moving items to a trailer. The house has already sold and the new owners will take possession this coming Wednesday. As owners, no one followed up with them as to how the boy was, so we gave them a good report. And the night of the rescue, the young mother who lived there was trapped outside of a check point, and couldn't pass until the area cleared. These linked stories first appeared in Tri-State Grotto's premier publication, the Dead Dog Dispatch your friend, Jerry Bowen NSS 51562 301-465-2651 cell
[Texascavers] Oldest cave paintings found in cave in Spain
A recently discovered painting in Spanish caves in Costa Del Sol was found by scientists to be approximately 42,000 years old, making it the oldest artwork ever. What is more, this artwork is also the first known painting by Neanderthals, not homo sapiens. _Professor Jose Luis Sanchidrian called it an_ (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2097869/The-oldest-work-art-42-000-year-old-paintings-seals-Spanish-cave.html?ito=feeds-newsxml) academic bombshell and its effects will reverberate through the field of Art History for years to come. _http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/worlds-oldest-work-of-art_n_126382 2.html_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/worlds-oldest-work-of-art_n_1263822.html)
[Texascavers] Oldest cave paintings found in cave in Spain
A recently discovered painting in Spanish caves in Costa Del Sol was found by scientists to be approximately 42,000 years old, making it the oldest artwork ever. What is more, this artwork is also the first known painting by Neanderthals, not homo sapiens. _Professor Jose Luis Sanchidrian called it an_ (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2097869/The-oldest-work-art-42-000-year-old-paintings-seals-Spanish-cave.html?ito=feeds-newsxml) academic bombshell and its effects will reverberate through the field of Art History for years to come. _http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/worlds-oldest-work-of-art_n_126382 2.html_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/worlds-oldest-work-of-art_n_1263822.html)
[Texascavers] Oldest cave paintings found in cave in Spain
A recently discovered painting in Spanish caves in Costa Del Sol was found by scientists to be approximately 42,000 years old, making it the oldest artwork ever. What is more, this artwork is also the first known painting by Neanderthals, not homo sapiens. _Professor Jose Luis Sanchidrian called it an_ (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2097869/The-oldest-work-art-42-000-year-old-paintings-seals-Spanish-cave.html?ito=feeds-newsxml) academic bombshell and its effects will reverberate through the field of Art History for years to come. _http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/worlds-oldest-work-of-art_n_126382 2.html_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/worlds-oldest-work-of-art_n_1263822.html)
[Texascavers] Question about caving in Mexico
For the present I'm chicken to go caving in Mexico. I haven't been since April 2010, now almost two years. I miss it, and it saddens me to not be caving there. But my areas of interest, Tampaulipas and Guerrero, seem particularly dangerous with rampant criminal activity by increasingly bold and armed hoodlums. So Diana Tomchick and I went caving in China instead over the Christmas holidays. We'll probably go there again at the end of this year. I've heard about a trip to Golondrinas and other big pits over the holidays by cavers from Virginia. There are Brits in Huautla right now, and Ernie Garza is with them. Where else in Mexico have cavers gone recently? Did anyone have any problems? Just wondering. Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Question about caving in Mexico
For the present I'm chicken to go caving in Mexico. I haven't been since April 2010, now almost two years. I miss it, and it saddens me to not be caving there. But my areas of interest, Tampaulipas and Guerrero, seem particularly dangerous with rampant criminal activity by increasingly bold and armed hoodlums. So Diana Tomchick and I went caving in China instead over the Christmas holidays. We'll probably go there again at the end of this year. I've heard about a trip to Golondrinas and other big pits over the holidays by cavers from Virginia. There are Brits in Huautla right now, and Ernie Garza is with them. Where else in Mexico have cavers gone recently? Did anyone have any problems? Just wondering. Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Question about caving in Mexico
For the present I'm chicken to go caving in Mexico. I haven't been since April 2010, now almost two years. I miss it, and it saddens me to not be caving there. But my areas of interest, Tampaulipas and Guerrero, seem particularly dangerous with rampant criminal activity by increasingly bold and armed hoodlums. So Diana Tomchick and I went caving in China instead over the Christmas holidays. We'll probably go there again at the end of this year. I've heard about a trip to Golondrinas and other big pits over the holidays by cavers from Virginia. There are Brits in Huautla right now, and Ernie Garza is with them. Where else in Mexico have cavers gone recently? Did anyone have any problems? Just wondering. Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Other trip reports of recent caving
Yesterday Logan McNatt wrote in response to Jim Kennedy's Punkin Cave trip report saying, I think a lot of us on the list would enjoy reading more trip reports from those who actually go caving. I for one honestly didn't realize that. Thanks for saying so, Logan. Here are a couple of trip reports: Texans Do TAG: There is a feature article in the works about this trip for an upcoming issue of the Texas Caver. On Saturday, Nov. 19, Ellie Watson (Bexar Grotto), Mallory Mayeax (Greater Houston Grotto), Steve Webb and I (DFW Grotto) drove from Irving, Texas to Scottsboro, Alabama and met up with Jim Smith of Atlanta. For the next three days the four of us (with Jim as our faithful guide) did some classic TAG pits: 164' Neversink, 147' Stephen's Gap, 227' Valhalla, and 285' Mystery Falls. On Wednesday morning we were joined by Arkansas cavers Deitra Roberts and Brent Biely (actually lives in Oklahoma) and that day did 186' Cagle's Chasm and the 80' second drop in it, rigging a crossover, and at dusk did 165' The Sinkhole. I climbed out of The Sinkhole first and then drove solo about 120 miles to Nashville to pick up Diana Tomchick at the airport. In the dead of night Diana and I found everyone else on a farm near Sparta, TN, where 37 mile-long Blue Springs Cave is located. The next day was Thanksgiving Day and in the morning legendary TAG caver Marion Smith (he told me that he's been in 7,500 different caves) and sometime Texas resident Phillip Rykwalder showed up and went with us deep into Blue Springs Cave. We went 3 1/2 miles into it and back out, with over two miles of it in gigantic borehole tunnel, though some of it was long and hard crawling. The BO Crawl was said to be about 3,000 feet long, with a couple of respites where you could stand up. That night we had a wonderful Thanksgiving feast around a campfire, the highlight of which to me, was the homemade cranberry and mango sparkling wine Brent had made and brought. On Friday we went to Cumberland Caverns, a renown show cave, and were guided far off the tourist trails with one of the original explorers of it, Bill Walter. Bill started exploring in Cumberland Caverns when he was 15 years old and he's 73 years old now. We were warned ahead of time that it's not easy to keep up with him, but we did, though it was not easy. He moves very effortless through a cave. Our time was running out, but we did squeeze in one more pit on Saturday morning. Our last one was 251' Ferris Pit, said to be the deepest open air free fall pit in TAG, and it's quite a beauty. It was wet, and everyone got drenched, which is always good practice. We headed back to Texas at 6:30 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 26, doing an all-nighter with three drivers and getting back to Irving around 7:00 a.m. Last Saturday, Dec. 3, there was a trip to Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas. Spring Creek Cave is a DFW Grotto project and we have been pushing its passages and mapping more cave there for the past three years. Our objectives last weekend included doing a tank haul for Jean Creature Krecja and and James Brown so they could push a low airspace passage (which may sump soon) about a mile into the cave at the top of the Shower Stall waterfall. Logistics kept the dive from happening, and a return trip this weekend with mostly Austin cavers in support of Creature and James, should end up with more exploration and mapping done upstream of the Shower Stall. Once we tank haulers got Creature and James into their lead, we went to the Soda Straw Heaven and Wallow side passage and pushed it another 14 survey stations with 213 feet of survey before calling it a day and picking up dive gear on the way out. Now coming up for Diana Tomchick and me soon, in fact next Wednesday, we're flying to Chongqing, China and caving on an Erin Lynch led expedition. The cave is Er Wang Dong, and you can Google it if you're interested in what's been going on there. Happy holidays and good caving! Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Re: Other trip reports of recent caving - WHOOOPS, FORGOT SOMEBODY!
Darn it, this sentence should have read this way: On Wednesday morning we were joined by Arkansas cavers Deitra Roberts and Brent Biely (actually lives in Oklahoma), AND DFW GROTTO MEMBER NATASHA GLASGOW, and that day WE did 186' Cagle's Chasm and the 80' second drop in it, rigging a crossover, and at dusk did 165' The Sinkhole. Sorry, Natasha. She and I are co-authoring the article about our epic TAG trip. Bill -Original Message- From: speleosteele speleoste...@aol.com To: lmcnatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Dec 9, 2011 3:41 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Other trip reports of recent caving Yesterday Logan McNatt wrote in response to Jim Kennedy's Punkin Cave trip report saying, I think a lot of us on the list would enjoy reading more trip reports from those who actually go caving. I for one honestly didn't realize that. Thanks for saying so, Logan. Here are a couple of trip reports: Texans Do TAG: There is a feature article in the works about this trip for an upcoming issue of the Texas Caver. On Saturday, Nov. 19, Ellie Watson (Bexar Grotto), Mallory Mayeax (Greater Houston Grotto), Steve Webb and I (DFW Grotto) drove from Irving, Texas to Scottsboro, Alabama and met up with Jim Smith of Atlanta. For the next three days the four of us (with Jim as our faithful guide) did some classic TAG pits: 164' Neversink, 147' Stephen's Gap, 227' Valhalla, and 285' Mystery Falls. On Wednesday morning we were joined by Arkansas cavers Deitra Roberts and Brent Biely (actually lives in Oklahoma) and that day did 186' Cagle's Chasm and the 80' second drop in it, rigging a crossover, and at dusk did 165' The Sinkhole. I climbed out of The Sinkhole first and then drove solo about 120 miles to Nashville to pick up Diana Tomchick at the airport. In the dead of night Diana and I found everyone else on a farm near Sparta, TN, where 37 mile-long Blue Springs Cave is located. The next day was Thanksgiving Day and in the morning legendary TAG caver Marion Smith (he told me that he's been in 7,500 different caves) and sometime Texas resident Phillip Rykwalder showed up and went with us deep into Blue Springs Cave. We went 3 1/2 miles into it and back out, with over two miles of it in gigantic borehole tunnel, though some of it was long and hard crawling. The BO Crawl was said to be about 3,000 feet long, with a couple of respites where you could stand up. That night we had a wonderful Thanksgiving feast around a campfire, the highlight of which to me, was the homemade cranberry and mango sparkling wine Brent had made and brought. On Friday we went to Cumberland Caverns, a renown show cave, and were guided far off the tourist trails with one of the original explorers of it, Bill Walter. Bill started exploring in Cumberland Caverns when he was 15 years old and he's 73 years old now. We were warned ahead of time that it's not easy to keep up with him, but we did, though it was not easy. He moves very effortless through a cave. Our time was running out, but we did squeeze in one more pit on Saturday morning. Our last one was 251' Ferris Pit, said to be the deepest open air free fall pit in TAG, and it's quite a beauty. It was wet, and everyone got drenched, which is always good practice. We headed back to Texas at 6:30 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 26, doing an all-nighter with three drivers and getting back to Irving around 7:00 a.m. Last Saturday, Dec. 3, there was a trip to Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas. Spring Creek Cave is a DFW Grotto project and we have been pushing its passages and mapping more cave there for the past three years. Our objectives last weekend included doing a tank haul for Jean Creature Krecja and and James Brown so they could push a low airspace passage (which may sump soon) about a mile into the cave at the top of the Shower Stall waterfall. Logistics kept the dive from happening, and a return trip this weekend with mostly Austin cavers in support of Creature and James, should end up with more exploration and mapping done upstream of the Shower Stall. Once we tank haulers got Creature and James into their lead, we went to the Soda Straw Heaven and Wallow side passage and pushed it another 14 survey stations with 213 feet of survey before calling it a day and picking up dive gear on the way out. Now coming up for Diana Tomchick and me soon, in fact next Wednesday, we're flying to Chongqing, China and caving on an Erin Lynch led expedition. The cave is Er Wang Dong, and you can Google it if you're interested in what's been going on there. Happy holidays and good caving! Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Other trip reports of recent caving
Yesterday Logan McNatt wrote in response to Jim Kennedy's Punkin Cave trip report saying, I think a lot of us on the list would enjoy reading more trip reports from those who actually go caving. I for one honestly didn't realize that. Thanks for saying so, Logan. Here are a couple of trip reports: Texans Do TAG: There is a feature article in the works about this trip for an upcoming issue of the Texas Caver. On Saturday, Nov. 19, Ellie Watson (Bexar Grotto), Mallory Mayeax (Greater Houston Grotto), Steve Webb and I (DFW Grotto) drove from Irving, Texas to Scottsboro, Alabama and met up with Jim Smith of Atlanta. For the next three days the four of us (with Jim as our faithful guide) did some classic TAG pits: 164' Neversink, 147' Stephen's Gap, 227' Valhalla, and 285' Mystery Falls. On Wednesday morning we were joined by Arkansas cavers Deitra Roberts and Brent Biely (actually lives in Oklahoma) and that day did 186' Cagle's Chasm and the 80' second drop in it, rigging a crossover, and at dusk did 165' The Sinkhole. I climbed out of The Sinkhole first and then drove solo about 120 miles to Nashville to pick up Diana Tomchick at the airport. In the dead of night Diana and I found everyone else on a farm near Sparta, TN, where 37 mile-long Blue Springs Cave is located. The next day was Thanksgiving Day and in the morning legendary TAG caver Marion Smith (he told me that he's been in 7,500 different caves) and sometime Texas resident Phillip Rykwalder showed up and went with us deep into Blue Springs Cave. We went 3 1/2 miles into it and back out, with over two miles of it in gigantic borehole tunnel, though some of it was long and hard crawling. The BO Crawl was said to be about 3,000 feet long, with a couple of respites where you could stand up. That night we had a wonderful Thanksgiving feast around a campfire, the highlight of which to me, was the homemade cranberry and mango sparkling wine Brent had made and brought. On Friday we went to Cumberland Caverns, a renown show cave, and were guided far off the tourist trails with one of the original explorers of it, Bill Walter. Bill started exploring in Cumberland Caverns when he was 15 years old and he's 73 years old now. We were warned ahead of time that it's not easy to keep up with him, but we did, though it was not easy. He moves very effortless through a cave. Our time was running out, but we did squeeze in one more pit on Saturday morning. Our last one was 251' Ferris Pit, said to be the deepest open air free fall pit in TAG, and it's quite a beauty. It was wet, and everyone got drenched, which is always good practice. We headed back to Texas at 6:30 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 26, doing an all-nighter with three drivers and getting back to Irving around 7:00 a.m. Last Saturday, Dec. 3, there was a trip to Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas. Spring Creek Cave is a DFW Grotto project and we have been pushing its passages and mapping more cave there for the past three years. Our objectives last weekend included doing a tank haul for Jean Creature Krecja and and James Brown so they could push a low airspace passage (which may sump soon) about a mile into the cave at the top of the Shower Stall waterfall. Logistics kept the dive from happening, and a return trip this weekend with mostly Austin cavers in support of Creature and James, should end up with more exploration and mapping done upstream of the Shower Stall. Once we tank haulers got Creature and James into their lead, we went to the Soda Straw Heaven and Wallow side passage and pushed it another 14 survey stations with 213 feet of survey before calling it a day and picking up dive gear on the way out. Now coming up for Diana Tomchick and me soon, in fact next Wednesday, we're flying to Chongqing, China and caving on an Erin Lynch led expedition. The cave is Er Wang Dong, and you can Google it if you're interested in what's been going on there. Happy holidays and good caving! Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Re: Other trip reports of recent caving - WHOOOPS, FORGOT SOMEBODY!
Darn it, this sentence should have read this way: On Wednesday morning we were joined by Arkansas cavers Deitra Roberts and Brent Biely (actually lives in Oklahoma), AND DFW GROTTO MEMBER NATASHA GLASGOW, and that day WE did 186' Cagle's Chasm and the 80' second drop in it, rigging a crossover, and at dusk did 165' The Sinkhole. Sorry, Natasha. She and I are co-authoring the article about our epic TAG trip. Bill -Original Message- From: speleosteele speleoste...@aol.com To: lmcnatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Dec 9, 2011 3:41 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Other trip reports of recent caving Yesterday Logan McNatt wrote in response to Jim Kennedy's Punkin Cave trip report saying, I think a lot of us on the list would enjoy reading more trip reports from those who actually go caving. I for one honestly didn't realize that. Thanks for saying so, Logan. Here are a couple of trip reports: Texans Do TAG: There is a feature article in the works about this trip for an upcoming issue of the Texas Caver. On Saturday, Nov. 19, Ellie Watson (Bexar Grotto), Mallory Mayeax (Greater Houston Grotto), Steve Webb and I (DFW Grotto) drove from Irving, Texas to Scottsboro, Alabama and met up with Jim Smith of Atlanta. For the next three days the four of us (with Jim as our faithful guide) did some classic TAG pits: 164' Neversink, 147' Stephen's Gap, 227' Valhalla, and 285' Mystery Falls. On Wednesday morning we were joined by Arkansas cavers Deitra Roberts and Brent Biely (actually lives in Oklahoma) and that day did 186' Cagle's Chasm and the 80' second drop in it, rigging a crossover, and at dusk did 165' The Sinkhole. I climbed out of The Sinkhole first and then drove solo about 120 miles to Nashville to pick up Diana Tomchick at the airport. In the dead of night Diana and I found everyone else on a farm near Sparta, TN, where 37 mile-long Blue Springs Cave is located. The next day was Thanksgiving Day and in the morning legendary TAG caver Marion Smith (he told me that he's been in 7,500 different caves) and sometime Texas resident Phillip Rykwalder showed up and went with us deep into Blue Springs Cave. We went 3 1/2 miles into it and back out, with over two miles of it in gigantic borehole tunnel, though some of it was long and hard crawling. The BO Crawl was said to be about 3,000 feet long, with a couple of respites where you could stand up. That night we had a wonderful Thanksgiving feast around a campfire, the highlight of which to me, was the homemade cranberry and mango sparkling wine Brent had made and brought. On Friday we went to Cumberland Caverns, a renown show cave, and were guided far off the tourist trails with one of the original explorers of it, Bill Walter. Bill started exploring in Cumberland Caverns when he was 15 years old and he's 73 years old now. We were warned ahead of time that it's not easy to keep up with him, but we did, though it was not easy. He moves very effortless through a cave. Our time was running out, but we did squeeze in one more pit on Saturday morning. Our last one was 251' Ferris Pit, said to be the deepest open air free fall pit in TAG, and it's quite a beauty. It was wet, and everyone got drenched, which is always good practice. We headed back to Texas at 6:30 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 26, doing an all-nighter with three drivers and getting back to Irving around 7:00 a.m. Last Saturday, Dec. 3, there was a trip to Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas. Spring Creek Cave is a DFW Grotto project and we have been pushing its passages and mapping more cave there for the past three years. Our objectives last weekend included doing a tank haul for Jean Creature Krecja and and James Brown so they could push a low airspace passage (which may sump soon) about a mile into the cave at the top of the Shower Stall waterfall. Logistics kept the dive from happening, and a return trip this weekend with mostly Austin cavers in support of Creature and James, should end up with more exploration and mapping done upstream of the Shower Stall. Once we tank haulers got Creature and James into their lead, we went to the Soda Straw Heaven and Wallow side passage and pushed it another 14 survey stations with 213 feet of survey before calling it a day and picking up dive gear on the way out. Now coming up for Diana Tomchick and me soon, in fact next Wednesday, we're flying to Chongqing, China and caving on an Erin Lynch led expedition. The cave is Er Wang Dong, and you can Google it if you're interested in what's been going on there. Happy holidays and good caving! Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Other trip reports of recent caving
Yesterday Logan McNatt wrote in response to Jim Kennedy's Punkin Cave trip report saying, I think a lot of us on the list would enjoy reading more trip reports from those who actually go caving. I for one honestly didn't realize that. Thanks for saying so, Logan. Here are a couple of trip reports: Texans Do TAG: There is a feature article in the works about this trip for an upcoming issue of the Texas Caver. On Saturday, Nov. 19, Ellie Watson (Bexar Grotto), Mallory Mayeax (Greater Houston Grotto), Steve Webb and I (DFW Grotto) drove from Irving, Texas to Scottsboro, Alabama and met up with Jim Smith of Atlanta. For the next three days the four of us (with Jim as our faithful guide) did some classic TAG pits: 164' Neversink, 147' Stephen's Gap, 227' Valhalla, and 285' Mystery Falls. On Wednesday morning we were joined by Arkansas cavers Deitra Roberts and Brent Biely (actually lives in Oklahoma) and that day did 186' Cagle's Chasm and the 80' second drop in it, rigging a crossover, and at dusk did 165' The Sinkhole. I climbed out of The Sinkhole first and then drove solo about 120 miles to Nashville to pick up Diana Tomchick at the airport. In the dead of night Diana and I found everyone else on a farm near Sparta, TN, where 37 mile-long Blue Springs Cave is located. The next day was Thanksgiving Day and in the morning legendary TAG caver Marion Smith (he told me that he's been in 7,500 different caves) and sometime Texas resident Phillip Rykwalder showed up and went with us deep into Blue Springs Cave. We went 3 1/2 miles into it and back out, with over two miles of it in gigantic borehole tunnel, though some of it was long and hard crawling. The BO Crawl was said to be about 3,000 feet long, with a couple of respites where you could stand up. That night we had a wonderful Thanksgiving feast around a campfire, the highlight of which to me, was the homemade cranberry and mango sparkling wine Brent had made and brought. On Friday we went to Cumberland Caverns, a renown show cave, and were guided far off the tourist trails with one of the original explorers of it, Bill Walter. Bill started exploring in Cumberland Caverns when he was 15 years old and he's 73 years old now. We were warned ahead of time that it's not easy to keep up with him, but we did, though it was not easy. He moves very effortless through a cave. Our time was running out, but we did squeeze in one more pit on Saturday morning. Our last one was 251' Ferris Pit, said to be the deepest open air free fall pit in TAG, and it's quite a beauty. It was wet, and everyone got drenched, which is always good practice. We headed back to Texas at 6:30 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 26, doing an all-nighter with three drivers and getting back to Irving around 7:00 a.m. Last Saturday, Dec. 3, there was a trip to Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas. Spring Creek Cave is a DFW Grotto project and we have been pushing its passages and mapping more cave there for the past three years. Our objectives last weekend included doing a tank haul for Jean Creature Krecja and and James Brown so they could push a low airspace passage (which may sump soon) about a mile into the cave at the top of the Shower Stall waterfall. Logistics kept the dive from happening, and a return trip this weekend with mostly Austin cavers in support of Creature and James, should end up with more exploration and mapping done upstream of the Shower Stall. Once we tank haulers got Creature and James into their lead, we went to the Soda Straw Heaven and Wallow side passage and pushed it another 14 survey stations with 213 feet of survey before calling it a day and picking up dive gear on the way out. Now coming up for Diana Tomchick and me soon, in fact next Wednesday, we're flying to Chongqing, China and caving on an Erin Lynch led expedition. The cave is Er Wang Dong, and you can Google it if you're interested in what's been going on there. Happy holidays and good caving! Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Re: Other trip reports of recent caving - WHOOOPS, FORGOT SOMEBODY!
Darn it, this sentence should have read this way: On Wednesday morning we were joined by Arkansas cavers Deitra Roberts and Brent Biely (actually lives in Oklahoma), AND DFW GROTTO MEMBER NATASHA GLASGOW, and that day WE did 186' Cagle's Chasm and the 80' second drop in it, rigging a crossover, and at dusk did 165' The Sinkhole. Sorry, Natasha. She and I are co-authoring the article about our epic TAG trip. Bill -Original Message- From: speleosteele speleoste...@aol.com To: lmcnatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Dec 9, 2011 3:41 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Other trip reports of recent caving Yesterday Logan McNatt wrote in response to Jim Kennedy's Punkin Cave trip report saying, I think a lot of us on the list would enjoy reading more trip reports from those who actually go caving. I for one honestly didn't realize that. Thanks for saying so, Logan. Here are a couple of trip reports: Texans Do TAG: There is a feature article in the works about this trip for an upcoming issue of the Texas Caver. On Saturday, Nov. 19, Ellie Watson (Bexar Grotto), Mallory Mayeax (Greater Houston Grotto), Steve Webb and I (DFW Grotto) drove from Irving, Texas to Scottsboro, Alabama and met up with Jim Smith of Atlanta. For the next three days the four of us (with Jim as our faithful guide) did some classic TAG pits: 164' Neversink, 147' Stephen's Gap, 227' Valhalla, and 285' Mystery Falls. On Wednesday morning we were joined by Arkansas cavers Deitra Roberts and Brent Biely (actually lives in Oklahoma) and that day did 186' Cagle's Chasm and the 80' second drop in it, rigging a crossover, and at dusk did 165' The Sinkhole. I climbed out of The Sinkhole first and then drove solo about 120 miles to Nashville to pick up Diana Tomchick at the airport. In the dead of night Diana and I found everyone else on a farm near Sparta, TN, where 37 mile-long Blue Springs Cave is located. The next day was Thanksgiving Day and in the morning legendary TAG caver Marion Smith (he told me that he's been in 7,500 different caves) and sometime Texas resident Phillip Rykwalder showed up and went with us deep into Blue Springs Cave. We went 3 1/2 miles into it and back out, with over two miles of it in gigantic borehole tunnel, though some of it was long and hard crawling. The BO Crawl was said to be about 3,000 feet long, with a couple of respites where you could stand up. That night we had a wonderful Thanksgiving feast around a campfire, the highlight of which to me, was the homemade cranberry and mango sparkling wine Brent had made and brought. On Friday we went to Cumberland Caverns, a renown show cave, and were guided far off the tourist trails with one of the original explorers of it, Bill Walter. Bill started exploring in Cumberland Caverns when he was 15 years old and he's 73 years old now. We were warned ahead of time that it's not easy to keep up with him, but we did, though it was not easy. He moves very effortless through a cave. Our time was running out, but we did squeeze in one more pit on Saturday morning. Our last one was 251' Ferris Pit, said to be the deepest open air free fall pit in TAG, and it's quite a beauty. It was wet, and everyone got drenched, which is always good practice. We headed back to Texas at 6:30 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 26, doing an all-nighter with three drivers and getting back to Irving around 7:00 a.m. Last Saturday, Dec. 3, there was a trip to Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas. Spring Creek Cave is a DFW Grotto project and we have been pushing its passages and mapping more cave there for the past three years. Our objectives last weekend included doing a tank haul for Jean Creature Krecja and and James Brown so they could push a low airspace passage (which may sump soon) about a mile into the cave at the top of the Shower Stall waterfall. Logistics kept the dive from happening, and a return trip this weekend with mostly Austin cavers in support of Creature and James, should end up with more exploration and mapping done upstream of the Shower Stall. Once we tank haulers got Creature and James into their lead, we went to the Soda Straw Heaven and Wallow side passage and pushed it another 14 survey stations with 213 feet of survey before calling it a day and picking up dive gear on the way out. Now coming up for Diana Tomchick and me soon, in fact next Wednesday, we're flying to Chongqing, China and caving on an Erin Lynch led expedition. The cave is Er Wang Dong, and you can Google it if you're interested in what's been going on there. Happy holidays and good caving! Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Opportunity at Jewel Cave, South Dakota
Jewel Cave National Monument is planning a project to restore the extensive trail network throughout Jewel Cave. This involves replacing, labeling, and moving navigational flagging used through trade routes, recreation routes, and common exploration travel corridors. We are soliciting help from cavers to assist starting January 2012. Trips range from novice to advanced, and will be planned based on people’s interest and schedules. We can coordinate trips with individuals or groups of cavers alike. In addition, exploration opportunities are also available for any interested cavers. This project will provide an excellent opportunity to see diverse areas of Jewel Cave. Accommodations and caving equipment are provided. Prior caving experience is required. If you’re interested, please email _Lee-Gray_Boze@nps.gov_ (mailto:lee-gray_b...@nps.gov) . Or call at 605-673-8312. For more information about Jewel Cave, please visit _www.nps.gov/jeca_ (http://www.nps.gov/jeca) . Jewel Cave National Monument is located just 6 hours from Denver. It is currently the second longest cave in the world at 155 miles (250 km). If you know of any cavers who may be interested in coming to Jewel Cave, please feel free to forward this to them.
[Texascavers] Opportunity at Jewel Cave, South Dakota
Jewel Cave National Monument is planning a project to restore the extensive trail network throughout Jewel Cave. This involves replacing, labeling, and moving navigational flagging used through trade routes, recreation routes, and common exploration travel corridors. We are soliciting help from cavers to assist starting January 2012. Trips range from novice to advanced, and will be planned based on people’s interest and schedules. We can coordinate trips with individuals or groups of cavers alike. In addition, exploration opportunities are also available for any interested cavers. This project will provide an excellent opportunity to see diverse areas of Jewel Cave. Accommodations and caving equipment are provided. Prior caving experience is required. If you’re interested, please email _Lee-Gray_Boze@nps.gov_ (mailto:lee-gray_b...@nps.gov) . Or call at 605-673-8312. For more information about Jewel Cave, please visit _www.nps.gov/jeca_ (http://www.nps.gov/jeca) . Jewel Cave National Monument is located just 6 hours from Denver. It is currently the second longest cave in the world at 155 miles (250 km). If you know of any cavers who may be interested in coming to Jewel Cave, please feel free to forward this to them.
Re: [Texascavers] vaguely BOG related
What she said. David, I just got home from a wonderful weekend. You know that I responded to your vaguely BOG related post to Texascavers.com from my Blackberry as I was stopped for gas on the way home with the short message of WTF? Mallory, Clint, and Roger, PLEASE correct if I'm wrong, but hasn't the biggest difficulty you have had in hosting the NSS BOG meeting this weekend been David Locklear? Didn't he cause you constant problems with his weird offers and lack of commitment, up to and including after the party started last night? He did show up last night and contributed some food and helped with this and that, not that anyone really knew that he would show up or was counting on him to contribute, but he did, and he was around until this morning. I'm just in disbelief that he would take away from a job so well done with his mean-spirited, bizarre way of seeing things and posting them. I think he is way off the mark and he has problems he ought to go outside of caving to address. Bill Steele In a message dated 10/23/2011 2:22:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mmay...@gmail.com writes: David, I strongly suggest you de-friend' cavetex for a few weeks, or however long it takes you to sort yourself out and get in a better place mentally and emotionally. Seriously, what are you talking about??? Everyone I spoke to had a terrific time at the BOG Party last night. We got tons of compliments on the party, the venues provided for the meetings, lunch arrangements, etc. Sure, there were a couple slight hiccups, but anyone who has ever hosted a large caver gathering run entirely by volunteers knows that those happen and I doubt anyone who wasn't directly working on party planning even noticed. Thank you SO MUCH to all the Texas cavers from all around the state that showed up, and the grottos/organizations who donated so we could show the BOG some good old-fashioned Texas hospitality. I will post the details tomorrow for all who weren't able to make it. I certainly wouldn't want anyone who wasn't able to attend to think that the BOG was anything close to a complete disaster. Far, far from it and David? FYI, the BOG Strategic Planning/Initiatives meeting is still going on, so the last BOG member to go to the airport is still sitting in his meeting. Please attempt get your facts straight before you start trashing the people who worked hard to put this together. Mallory Mayeux GHG Secretary/BOG Planner-person On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:40 AM, David _dlocklear01@gmail.com_ (mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com) wrote: I am imposing a 24 hour Facebook de-friendship ( FDF ) on every caver east of the Brazos River and south of Huntsville. I am imposing a 48 hour FDF on all the active cavers in the 3 grottos of that region. And a 1 week FDF on the planning committee of the BOG. And a 3 week FDF on all the old GHG'ers, who did not lift a finger to help. I am imposing a 6 week FDF on the person who had the idea to serve RAW corn tortillas with the fajitas. And a 2 month FDF on the person whose job it was to delegate items for the party such as ice and paper plates, and other food items to complement the fajitas. And a 3 month FDF on 2 individuals who made my life miserable since April. And another 3 month added on to that, for whoever made the final call on the registration web-site. And a 6 month FDF to whoever dropped the ball, on getting the last BOG member to Intercontinental Airport. For those not on Facebook, I am filtering you out of my e-mail for 2 times the amount of time. I am imposing a sever penalty to Blackberry for all the headaches I had with my phone this week. Meaning, I am going to tell everyone I know how much my Blackberry Style sucks. And I wish I could FDF myself. Friday, the transmission went out on our car. This caused me to miss 1/3 of the Howdy Party. And the shade-tree mechanic that I hired, loaned me the beater from h*ll, that broke down on me on the way to the business meeting. And after that, I had to put out a $ 10 problem at work, that made me late and exhausted upon arrival to the BOG Party. And to mother nature delivering her swarm of mosquitoes, I will dedicate my life to killing every mosquito that I can that touches me or my family. I will allow at least 4 particular cavers a fair chance to contest the above FDF's, or to request a reduced suspension, only because they did quite a bit of work on the BOG and have also on previous occasions, and it would would have been a complete disaster had they dropped the ball at the last minute. David Locklear much more grumpier than usual - Visit our website: _http://texascavers.com_ (http://texascavers.com/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: _texascavers-unsubscribe@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com) For additional
Re: [Texascavers] vaguely BOG related
What she said. David, I just got home from a wonderful weekend. You know that I responded to your vaguely BOG related post to Texascavers.com from my Blackberry as I was stopped for gas on the way home with the short message of WTF? Mallory, Clint, and Roger, PLEASE correct if I'm wrong, but hasn't the biggest difficulty you have had in hosting the NSS BOG meeting this weekend been David Locklear? Didn't he cause you constant problems with his weird offers and lack of commitment, up to and including after the party started last night? He did show up last night and contributed some food and helped with this and that, not that anyone really knew that he would show up or was counting on him to contribute, but he did, and he was around until this morning. I'm just in disbelief that he would take away from a job so well done with his mean-spirited, bizarre way of seeing things and posting them. I think he is way off the mark and he has problems he ought to go outside of caving to address. Bill Steele In a message dated 10/23/2011 2:22:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mmay...@gmail.com writes: David, I strongly suggest you de-friend' cavetex for a few weeks, or however long it takes you to sort yourself out and get in a better place mentally and emotionally. Seriously, what are you talking about??? Everyone I spoke to had a terrific time at the BOG Party last night. We got tons of compliments on the party, the venues provided for the meetings, lunch arrangements, etc. Sure, there were a couple slight hiccups, but anyone who has ever hosted a large caver gathering run entirely by volunteers knows that those happen and I doubt anyone who wasn't directly working on party planning even noticed. Thank you SO MUCH to all the Texas cavers from all around the state that showed up, and the grottos/organizations who donated so we could show the BOG some good old-fashioned Texas hospitality. I will post the details tomorrow for all who weren't able to make it. I certainly wouldn't want anyone who wasn't able to attend to think that the BOG was anything close to a complete disaster. Far, far from it and David? FYI, the BOG Strategic Planning/Initiatives meeting is still going on, so the last BOG member to go to the airport is still sitting in his meeting. Please attempt get your facts straight before you start trashing the people who worked hard to put this together. Mallory Mayeux GHG Secretary/BOG Planner-person On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:40 AM, David _dlocklear01@gmail.com_ (mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com) wrote: I am imposing a 24 hour Facebook de-friendship ( FDF ) on every caver east of the Brazos River and south of Huntsville. I am imposing a 48 hour FDF on all the active cavers in the 3 grottos of that region. And a 1 week FDF on the planning committee of the BOG. And a 3 week FDF on all the old GHG'ers, who did not lift a finger to help. I am imposing a 6 week FDF on the person who had the idea to serve RAW corn tortillas with the fajitas. And a 2 month FDF on the person whose job it was to delegate items for the party such as ice and paper plates, and other food items to complement the fajitas. And a 3 month FDF on 2 individuals who made my life miserable since April. And another 3 month added on to that, for whoever made the final call on the registration web-site. And a 6 month FDF to whoever dropped the ball, on getting the last BOG member to Intercontinental Airport. For those not on Facebook, I am filtering you out of my e-mail for 2 times the amount of time. I am imposing a sever penalty to Blackberry for all the headaches I had with my phone this week. Meaning, I am going to tell everyone I know how much my Blackberry Style sucks. And I wish I could FDF myself. Friday, the transmission went out on our car. This caused me to miss 1/3 of the Howdy Party. And the shade-tree mechanic that I hired, loaned me the beater from h*ll, that broke down on me on the way to the business meeting. And after that, I had to put out a $ 10 problem at work, that made me late and exhausted upon arrival to the BOG Party. And to mother nature delivering her swarm of mosquitoes, I will dedicate my life to killing every mosquito that I can that touches me or my family. I will allow at least 4 particular cavers a fair chance to contest the above FDF's, or to request a reduced suspension, only because they did quite a bit of work on the BOG and have also on previous occasions, and it would would have been a complete disaster had they dropped the ball at the last minute. David Locklear much more grumpier than usual - Visit our website: _http://texascavers.com_ (http://texascavers.com/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: _texascavers-unsubscribe@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com) For additional
Re: [Texascavers] vaguely BOG related
What she said. David, I just got home from a wonderful weekend. You know that I responded to your vaguely BOG related post to Texascavers.com from my Blackberry as I was stopped for gas on the way home with the short message of WTF? Mallory, Clint, and Roger, PLEASE correct if I'm wrong, but hasn't the biggest difficulty you have had in hosting the NSS BOG meeting this weekend been David Locklear? Didn't he cause you constant problems with his weird offers and lack of commitment, up to and including after the party started last night? He did show up last night and contributed some food and helped with this and that, not that anyone really knew that he would show up or was counting on him to contribute, but he did, and he was around until this morning. I'm just in disbelief that he would take away from a job so well done with his mean-spirited, bizarre way of seeing things and posting them. I think he is way off the mark and he has problems he ought to go outside of caving to address. Bill Steele In a message dated 10/23/2011 2:22:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mmay...@gmail.com writes: David, I strongly suggest you de-friend' cavetex for a few weeks, or however long it takes you to sort yourself out and get in a better place mentally and emotionally. Seriously, what are you talking about??? Everyone I spoke to had a terrific time at the BOG Party last night. We got tons of compliments on the party, the venues provided for the meetings, lunch arrangements, etc. Sure, there were a couple slight hiccups, but anyone who has ever hosted a large caver gathering run entirely by volunteers knows that those happen and I doubt anyone who wasn't directly working on party planning even noticed. Thank you SO MUCH to all the Texas cavers from all around the state that showed up, and the grottos/organizations who donated so we could show the BOG some good old-fashioned Texas hospitality. I will post the details tomorrow for all who weren't able to make it. I certainly wouldn't want anyone who wasn't able to attend to think that the BOG was anything close to a complete disaster. Far, far from it and David? FYI, the BOG Strategic Planning/Initiatives meeting is still going on, so the last BOG member to go to the airport is still sitting in his meeting. Please attempt get your facts straight before you start trashing the people who worked hard to put this together. Mallory Mayeux GHG Secretary/BOG Planner-person On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:40 AM, David _dlocklear01@gmail.com_ (mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com) wrote: I am imposing a 24 hour Facebook de-friendship ( FDF ) on every caver east of the Brazos River and south of Huntsville. I am imposing a 48 hour FDF on all the active cavers in the 3 grottos of that region. And a 1 week FDF on the planning committee of the BOG. And a 3 week FDF on all the old GHG'ers, who did not lift a finger to help. I am imposing a 6 week FDF on the person who had the idea to serve RAW corn tortillas with the fajitas. And a 2 month FDF on the person whose job it was to delegate items for the party such as ice and paper plates, and other food items to complement the fajitas. And a 3 month FDF on 2 individuals who made my life miserable since April. And another 3 month added on to that, for whoever made the final call on the registration web-site. And a 6 month FDF to whoever dropped the ball, on getting the last BOG member to Intercontinental Airport. For those not on Facebook, I am filtering you out of my e-mail for 2 times the amount of time. I am imposing a sever penalty to Blackberry for all the headaches I had with my phone this week. Meaning, I am going to tell everyone I know how much my Blackberry Style sucks. And I wish I could FDF myself. Friday, the transmission went out on our car. This caused me to miss 1/3 of the Howdy Party. And the shade-tree mechanic that I hired, loaned me the beater from h*ll, that broke down on me on the way to the business meeting. And after that, I had to put out a $ 10 problem at work, that made me late and exhausted upon arrival to the BOG Party. And to mother nature delivering her swarm of mosquitoes, I will dedicate my life to killing every mosquito that I can that touches me or my family. I will allow at least 4 particular cavers a fair chance to contest the above FDF's, or to request a reduced suspension, only because they did quite a bit of work on the BOG and have also on previous occasions, and it would would have been a complete disaster had they dropped the ball at the last minute. David Locklear much more grumpier than usual - Visit our website: _http://texascavers.com_ (http://texascavers.com/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: _texascavers-unsubscribe@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com) For additional
Re: [Texascavers] Thanks for the hot tub
I agree that we do need to help Pete, but don't despair, his son Colin told me over the weekend that he has trained well and can take over once his dad retires from providing the hot tub. Bill In a message dated 10/19/2011 6:57:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, pepabe...@hotmail.com writes: Yeah, we all need to help Pete out each year or he may bail on his. He will not ask for help, so it's up to us to both help and recruit others, especially those young sea aggies with the strong backs. -Denise From: jsschneid...@smithsys.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Texascavers] Thanks for the hot tub I'd like to say a BIG thanks to Pete for the hot tub and sauna. I helped a little this year and realize just how much work it is to set up and tear down the whole thing And where the cooks have a base group with others coming and going over the years, Pete does the whole thing year after year! Again, Thanks Pete John =
Re: [Texascavers] Thanks for the hot tub
I agree that we do need to help Pete, but don't despair, his son Colin told me over the weekend that he has trained well and can take over once his dad retires from providing the hot tub. Bill In a message dated 10/19/2011 6:57:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, pepabe...@hotmail.com writes: Yeah, we all need to help Pete out each year or he may bail on his. He will not ask for help, so it's up to us to both help and recruit others, especially those young sea aggies with the strong backs. -Denise From: jsschneid...@smithsys.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Texascavers] Thanks for the hot tub I'd like to say a BIG thanks to Pete for the hot tub and sauna. I helped a little this year and realize just how much work it is to set up and tear down the whole thing And where the cooks have a base group with others coming and going over the years, Pete does the whole thing year after year! Again, Thanks Pete John =
Re: [Texascavers] Thanks for the hot tub
I agree that we do need to help Pete, but don't despair, his son Colin told me over the weekend that he has trained well and can take over once his dad retires from providing the hot tub. Bill In a message dated 10/19/2011 6:57:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, pepabe...@hotmail.com writes: Yeah, we all need to help Pete out each year or he may bail on his. He will not ask for help, so it's up to us to both help and recruit others, especially those young sea aggies with the strong backs. -Denise From: jsschneid...@smithsys.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Texascavers] Thanks for the hot tub I'd like to say a BIG thanks to Pete for the hot tub and sauna. I helped a little this year and realize just how much work it is to set up and tear down the whole thing And where the cooks have a base group with others coming and going over the years, Pete does the whole thing year after year! Again, Thanks Pete John =
[Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski!
Not only is Michael an ace at keeping good financial records, but this is his kind of caving: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M)
Re: [Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski!
Oh yeah, everyone, also please vote for Michael Cicherski for TCMA treasurer. He's looking for plenty to do. He loved being the ICS treasurer so much he's chopping at the bit for more. He tells me these things. Bill Steele In a message dated 10/12/2011 11:25:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, germa...@aol.com writes: YAY! Looking good, Michael! Thanks for posting, Bill. -Original Message- From: Speleosteele speleoste...@aol.com To: Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: coastalcaver coastalca...@me.com Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:36 am Subject: [Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski! Not only is Michael an ace at keeping good financial records, but this is his kind of caving: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M)
[Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski!
Not only is Michael an ace at keeping good financial records, but this is his kind of caving: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M)
Re: [Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski!
Oh yeah, everyone, also please vote for Michael Cicherski for TCMA treasurer. He's looking for plenty to do. He loved being the ICS treasurer so much he's chopping at the bit for more. He tells me these things. Bill Steele In a message dated 10/12/2011 11:25:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, germa...@aol.com writes: YAY! Looking good, Michael! Thanks for posting, Bill. -Original Message- From: Speleosteele speleoste...@aol.com To: Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: coastalcaver coastalca...@me.com Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:36 am Subject: [Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski! Not only is Michael an ace at keeping good financial records, but this is his kind of caving: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M)
[Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski!
Not only is Michael an ace at keeping good financial records, but this is his kind of caving: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M)
Re: [Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski!
Oh yeah, everyone, also please vote for Michael Cicherski for TCMA treasurer. He's looking for plenty to do. He loved being the ICS treasurer so much he's chopping at the bit for more. He tells me these things. Bill Steele In a message dated 10/12/2011 11:25:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, germa...@aol.com writes: YAY! Looking good, Michael! Thanks for posting, Bill. -Original Message- From: Speleosteele speleoste...@aol.com To: Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: coastalcaver coastalca...@me.com Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:36 am Subject: [Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski! Not only is Michael an ace at keeping good financial records, but this is his kind of caving: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M)
[Texascavers] Excellent grotto meeting program
Last night at the DFW Grotto meeting we watched a caving video from Italy, L'Abisso (The Abyss): In the fall of 2004, Italian cavers discovered an impressive new branch in the Spluga della Preta Abyss, long known as the deepest cave in the world, and still the deepest in Italy. I think it's my favorite caving movie of all time. The room was silent and we were all spellbound for an hour. We didn't finish seeing it and will need to see the end next month. I've seen most movies made about caving, and I've helped make a couple, but I cannot recall one as good as this one. Kudos to grotto vice chairman in charge of programs Ed Goff. You certainly scored one this time. Bill Steele
[Texascavers] Excellent grotto meeting program
Last night at the DFW Grotto meeting we watched a caving video from Italy, L'Abisso (The Abyss): In the fall of 2004, Italian cavers discovered an impressive new branch in the Spluga della Preta Abyss, long known as the deepest cave in the world, and still the deepest in Italy. I think it's my favorite caving movie of all time. The room was silent and we were all spellbound for an hour. We didn't finish seeing it and will need to see the end next month. I've seen most movies made about caving, and I've helped make a couple, but I cannot recall one as good as this one. Kudos to grotto vice chairman in charge of programs Ed Goff. You certainly scored one this time. Bill Steele
Re: [Texascavers] Announcement: 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting!
Good job! I can't wait. Diana and I are going for ALL OF IT! It's sure to be a fun time. Thanks a lot, Bill Steele Irving, Texas -Original Message- From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Lyndon Tiu lyndon@gmail.com; Clint Ladd btberser...@fastmail.fm; Roger Moore cavera...@aol.com; Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 9:39 am Subject: [Texascavers] Announcement: 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting! Good morning Cavers! I hope Monday is treating everyone well. On behalf of the Greater Houston Grotto, I am excited to announce that we are hosting the annual 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting! This event will take place October 21-23, 2011, with the main business meeting being held on Saturday, October 22. We would like to invite all Texas cavers to attend. The Howdy Party on October 21 and the Saturday night social on October 22 are open to all, and the first half of the NSS BOG business meeting on Saturday is open to viewers as well. This weekend will be a great opportunity to learn more about NSS business and socialize with the NSS Board of Governors and many movers and shakers in the caving community. It'll also be a ton of fun! Our Friday night social will be held at the Ginger Man located centrally in Houston. Our Saturday night party will be located at Dr. Louise Hose's hanger just south of Houston. The party theme will be BATS! Accessorize with your favorite bat stickers, t-shirt or belt. We will have fajitas for all, beer donated by Shiner, and margaritas made by our rockstar bartender Cave Dave McClung. While everyone is invited, we ask that you register online so we have an accurate headcount and can prepare accordingly. Visit http://nssbog.webs.com/ to register. This website includes information on event locations, times, hotel suggestions and other fun things to do in Houston. If you have any questions contact me or any member of our planning committee who are CC'd in this email. Thanks to additional event sponsors--the Texas Speleological Association, the Rice University Anthropology Department, Bexar Grotto, and DFW Grotto. We look forward to seeing you there! Clint Ladd, Kevin McGowan, Lyndon Tiu, Roger Moore and Mallory Mayeux 2011 BOG Planning Committee
[Allcavers] Fwd: [Texascavers] Announcement: 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting!
From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Lyndon Tiu lyndon@gmail.com; Clint Ladd btberser...@fastmail.fm; Roger Moore cavera...@aol.com; Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 9:39 am Subject: [Texascavers] Announcement: 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting! Good morning Cavers! I hope Monday is treating everyone well. On behalf of the Greater Houston Grotto, I am excited to announce that we are hosting the annual 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting! This event will take place October 21-23, 2011, with the main business meeting being held on Saturday, October 22. We would like to invite all Texas cavers to attend. The Howdy Party on October 21 and the Saturday night social on October 22 are open to all, and the first half of the NSS BOG business meeting on Saturday is open to viewers as well. This weekend will be a great opportunity to learn more about NSS business and socialize with the NSS Board of Governors and many movers and shakers in the caving community. It'll also be a ton of fun! Our Friday night social will be held at the Ginger Man located centrally in Houston. Our Saturday night party will be located at Dr. Louise Hose's hanger just south of Houston. The party theme will be BATS! Accessorize with your favorite bat stickers, t-shirt or belt. We will have fajitas for all, beer donated by Shiner, and margaritas made by our rockstar bartender Cave Dave McClung. While everyone is invited, we ask that you register online so we have an accurate headcount and can prepare accordingly. Visit http://nssbog.webs.com/ to register. This website includes information on event locations, times, hotel suggestions and other fun things to do in Houston. If you have any questions contact me or any member of our planning committee who are CC'd in this email. Thanks to additional event sponsors--the Texas Speleological Association, the Rice University Anthropology Department, Bexar Grotto, and DFW Grotto. We look forward to seeing you there! Clint Ladd, Kevin McGowan, Lyndon Tiu, Roger Moore and Mallory Mayeux 2011 BOG Planning Committee ___ To Subscribe to this list send a blank message to: allcavers-subscr...@metroplexcavers.org To Unsubscribe send a blank message to: allcavers-unsubscr...@metroplexcavers.org
Re: [Texascavers] Announcement: 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting!
Good job! I can't wait. Diana and I are going for ALL OF IT! It's sure to be a fun time. Thanks a lot, Bill Steele Irving, Texas -Original Message- From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Lyndon Tiu lyndon@gmail.com; Clint Ladd btberser...@fastmail.fm; Roger Moore cavera...@aol.com; Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 9:39 am Subject: [Texascavers] Announcement: 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting! Good morning Cavers! I hope Monday is treating everyone well. On behalf of the Greater Houston Grotto, I am excited to announce that we are hosting the annual 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting! This event will take place October 21-23, 2011, with the main business meeting being held on Saturday, October 22. We would like to invite all Texas cavers to attend. The Howdy Party on October 21 and the Saturday night social on October 22 are open to all, and the first half of the NSS BOG business meeting on Saturday is open to viewers as well. This weekend will be a great opportunity to learn more about NSS business and socialize with the NSS Board of Governors and many movers and shakers in the caving community. It'll also be a ton of fun! Our Friday night social will be held at the Ginger Man located centrally in Houston. Our Saturday night party will be located at Dr. Louise Hose's hanger just south of Houston. The party theme will be BATS! Accessorize with your favorite bat stickers, t-shirt or belt. We will have fajitas for all, beer donated by Shiner, and margaritas made by our rockstar bartender Cave Dave McClung. While everyone is invited, we ask that you register online so we have an accurate headcount and can prepare accordingly. Visit http://nssbog.webs.com/ to register. This website includes information on event locations, times, hotel suggestions and other fun things to do in Houston. If you have any questions contact me or any member of our planning committee who are CC'd in this email. Thanks to additional event sponsors--the Texas Speleological Association, the Rice University Anthropology Department, Bexar Grotto, and DFW Grotto. We look forward to seeing you there! Clint Ladd, Kevin McGowan, Lyndon Tiu, Roger Moore and Mallory Mayeux 2011 BOG Planning Committee
[Allcavers] Fwd: [Texascavers] Announcement: 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting!
From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Lyndon Tiu lyndon@gmail.com; Clint Ladd btberser...@fastmail.fm; Roger Moore cavera...@aol.com; Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 9:39 am Subject: [Texascavers] Announcement: 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting! Good morning Cavers! I hope Monday is treating everyone well. On behalf of the Greater Houston Grotto, I am excited to announce that we are hosting the annual 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting! This event will take place October 21-23, 2011, with the main business meeting being held on Saturday, October 22. We would like to invite all Texas cavers to attend. The Howdy Party on October 21 and the Saturday night social on October 22 are open to all, and the first half of the NSS BOG business meeting on Saturday is open to viewers as well. This weekend will be a great opportunity to learn more about NSS business and socialize with the NSS Board of Governors and many movers and shakers in the caving community. It'll also be a ton of fun! Our Friday night social will be held at the Ginger Man located centrally in Houston. Our Saturday night party will be located at Dr. Louise Hose's hanger just south of Houston. The party theme will be BATS! Accessorize with your favorite bat stickers, t-shirt or belt. We will have fajitas for all, beer donated by Shiner, and margaritas made by our rockstar bartender Cave Dave McClung. While everyone is invited, we ask that you register online so we have an accurate headcount and can prepare accordingly. Visit http://nssbog.webs.com/ to register. This website includes information on event locations, times, hotel suggestions and other fun things to do in Houston. If you have any questions contact me or any member of our planning committee who are CC'd in this email. Thanks to additional event sponsors--the Texas Speleological Association, the Rice University Anthropology Department, Bexar Grotto, and DFW Grotto. We look forward to seeing you there! Clint Ladd, Kevin McGowan, Lyndon Tiu, Roger Moore and Mallory Mayeux 2011 BOG Planning Committee ___ To Subscribe to this list send a blank message to: allcavers-subscr...@metroplexcavers.org To Unsubscribe send a blank message to: allcavers-unsubscr...@metroplexcavers.org
Re: [Texascavers] Announcement: 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting!
Good job! I can't wait. Diana and I are going for ALL OF IT! It's sure to be a fun time. Thanks a lot, Bill Steele Irving, Texas -Original Message- From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Lyndon Tiu lyndon@gmail.com; Clint Ladd btberser...@fastmail.fm; Roger Moore cavera...@aol.com; Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 9:39 am Subject: [Texascavers] Announcement: 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting! Good morning Cavers! I hope Monday is treating everyone well. On behalf of the Greater Houston Grotto, I am excited to announce that we are hosting the annual 2011 NSS Board of Governor's meeting! This event will take place October 21-23, 2011, with the main business meeting being held on Saturday, October 22. We would like to invite all Texas cavers to attend. The Howdy Party on October 21 and the Saturday night social on October 22 are open to all, and the first half of the NSS BOG business meeting on Saturday is open to viewers as well. This weekend will be a great opportunity to learn more about NSS business and socialize with the NSS Board of Governors and many movers and shakers in the caving community. It'll also be a ton of fun! Our Friday night social will be held at the Ginger Man located centrally in Houston. Our Saturday night party will be located at Dr. Louise Hose's hanger just south of Houston. The party theme will be BATS! Accessorize with your favorite bat stickers, t-shirt or belt. We will have fajitas for all, beer donated by Shiner, and margaritas made by our rockstar bartender Cave Dave McClung. While everyone is invited, we ask that you register online so we have an accurate headcount and can prepare accordingly. Visit http://nssbog.webs.com/ to register. This website includes information on event locations, times, hotel suggestions and other fun things to do in Houston. If you have any questions contact me or any member of our planning committee who are CC'd in this email. Thanks to additional event sponsors--the Texas Speleological Association, the Rice University Anthropology Department, Bexar Grotto, and DFW Grotto. We look forward to seeing you there! Clint Ladd, Kevin McGowan, Lyndon Tiu, Roger Moore and Mallory Mayeux 2011 BOG Planning Committee
