Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

TonyM, I agree with you. I'd like to say thank you to @Jeremy Ruston for the amazing work he did with Tiddlywiky that I love, but I never seen before a so difficult project to find doc for. It's not clear where to found it and if you find something, probably it's not up to date. Igor Il

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Just to revive this, I'll share a short Tiddler I've been keeping with some great explanations by Eric Shulman recently (attached). It clarifies the use of < vs << amd { vs {{ in and out of filters, and has been very helpful to me. Im not sure where something like this would go in the

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Folks, Thanks to the Git Reference materials. I have collated all Git Usage References below I will use these to discover how to submit Doco updates via Git and See if it is suitable for a wider audience, Please share your own experience with Git. Regards Tony On Wednesday, 29 November

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

I have always had used the following interactive tutorials to teach git: - https://learngitbranching.js.org/ - https://try.github.io/levels/1/challenges/1 On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 3:48:19 PM UTC-6, Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/ wrote: > > This explanation was very

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

This explanation was very helpful to me. I kind of thought of clones and branches as altering a timeline in a sci fi movie, where it never goes back to the original timeline again, and gets orphaned. Now I understand it is about branching off, editing, and suggesting adding the change to the

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Perhaps this is better - the official docs https://help.github.com/articles/github-flow/ and for an 'illustrated' version of that https://guides.github.com/introduction/flow/ I can see where that's pretty intimidating for someone not used to the tools... -- You received this message

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

I'm no Git guru, or big GitHub user for that matter. I do use Git a bit for my sysadmin related scripts at work, some html stuff etc. Real GitHub people please feel free to step in as needed The normal flow with GitHub as I understand it is this: 0 - create a GitHub account 1 - 'Clone' or

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

moros...@yahoo.com wrote: > > some people are afraid of it from what I understand. I don't think we are afraid of it so much as non-comprehending of it. In my case I can raise a GitHub Issue (with work & a lot more restrain than my usual want). Doing a "PR" (whatever the hell that is) is

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Are you referring to contributing through GItHub? The new structure is not implemented yet, so you'll have to wait a little bit. Anyway we need good docs about contributing through GitHub, although some people are afraid of it from what I understand. This will have it's place in the "Helping the

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Looks great, We have the desire, the need, the volunteers, a clear image of what we want in the doco and now an improved structure. Can you explain how we would contribute using got or is that a seperate issue? Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Mat, Thanks for the warning, Just exploring, I have not worked through the whole idea, but was thinking multiple contributions in wikitext could be submitted, collated, curated then submitted to GitHub. I would appreciate your ideas, but commenting on any tiddler requiring improved doco is

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Hello everybody, I just want to let you know that the project who seek to improve the TiddlyWiki documentation structure is not dead. It received green light from Jeremy and others and soon we should have a new docs structure. Maybe you should take this also into account. If you want to know

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

TonyM wrote: > > This looks like a good Solution for Edit Contributions, to specific > Tiddlers, Provide a Way to submit tiddlers would help? > > http://twaddle.tiddlyspot.com/#Comments%20using%20Google%20Drive%20'Forms' > Kawabunga! - please, everyone, let me first make sure it still works. It

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

This looks like a good Solution for Edit Contributions, to specific Tiddlers, Provide a Way to submit tiddlers would help? http://twaddle.tiddlyspot.com/#Comments%20using%20Google%20Drive%20'Forms' Regards Tony On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 09:40:51 UTC+11, TonyM wrote: > > Folks, > > I plan

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Nice to see new energy! It's been painful to watch as 80/20 mediocrity has quenched / stiffled so many innitiative. (I used to use Technorati to spider certain topics / key words as a way of surveying / exploring / discovering new blogs. It's like a memory from some long gone golden age.) fair

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Ciao TonyM Your thread is causing me to think. I'm feeling its really beginning to register the problem with documentation in a more move-on-able way. A few comments. To support your overview and mark a few places that maybe don't get so easily noticed ... more sociology of behaviour than a

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Mat, I made a point of not wanting to step on each others toes, and I want to ensure this. My view is that improved documentation needs to be produced and added to TiddlyWiki.com, and where not practical references from tiddlywiki.com. There is no harm building and collating this elsewhere,

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

TonyM, to save you time I'll say this: Expecting people to go to *some other web-address*, be it to some forum or a wiki, will not work. All attempts have failed, and there have been many over the past 10+ years. IMO people go here and to tiddlywiki.com. The most promising strategy I can

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Alex, I saw you post before about the idea of a tiddlyzine, it sounds interesting but I personally do not have a depth of understanding on this, could you outline the idea of a TiddlyZine? The trick I think is to collect contributors or lift content from Google Groups and post in a dedicated

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Just chiming in to point out that this sounds like a very good idea. Improved, copy-and-pasteable examples would be a huge step forward. Oftentimes I read an explanation on www.tiddlywiki.com, don't quite grasp it, but wonder how much easier this might be if there was a fully usable example.

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Ciao Alex, TonyM & all AlexHough wrote: > > Build on top of the latest pre-release. Document your play. Then when the > pre-release is released collect the play and documentation into an > accompanying TiddlyZine. > Small, slightly quibbling, footnote to Alex: I don't understand why you

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Hi, a suggestion made elsewhere on this group (by me) Build on top of the latest pre-release. Document your play. Then when the pre-release is released collect the play and documentation into an accompanying TiddlyZine. best Alex On 10 December 2017 at 01:42, TonyM

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Thanks for your contribution Josiah, On your response to item 1 I agree in principal but if no one starts to act and say 5 of us worked together in a side Forum posting end product here I see no problem there. On 2 we can start work on side doco now and petition to have it referenced from

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Ciao TonyM Three points ... 1 - I do NOT encourage you to open any other forum. Not because I don't think its a good idea but simply because all attempts I seen like that have largely failed so far. The fundamental fact is there are not that many people here. We are a finite number. Though,

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Hey Tony, I wonder if we should ask Jeremy to let us use - tiddlywiki.com/dev-docs - dev.tiddlywiki.com - etc. That way we are actually using a tiddlywiki on GitHub. I assume that would be easiest for merging the docs back into the actual tiddlywiki.com. If we cant use that, then

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Diego/Ed/Josiah , I think this thread is the only place to subscribe at this point. In my view we need to hear from a few others who have or can help integrate such documents with the tiddlywiki effort as a whole, it is best not to step on each others toes, however such waiting is often the

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Hey Tony, Is there somewhere I can "subscribe" or follow your efforts on this front? I am 100% behind this! Diego On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 4:40:51 PM UTC-6, TonyM wrote: > > Folks, > > I plan to start contributing to the TiddlyWiki documentation. I want to > spell out what I am keen

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

Ciao TonyM I'm replying here from a particular perspective. One of the Reluctant Crap "Forced" Programmer. I like what TW can do. I loathe having to fiddle around trying to get something done (one way around this would be to have a route to pay people to do it for me--but that is another

[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

The tag pill template explicitly includes shadow tiddlers for their lists, the others don't. If you don't have something like all[tiddlers+shadows] in your filter it will ignore shadow tiddlers, if you have it than it will include them. That change is from where the list is made, not from the

[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

That's it! Thanks for the filter info. I've modfied a few of the lists and it's now working as expected! Unfortunately, if you want to be able to see the list of tagged documentation tiddlers from the pills, you need to tag each tiddler (Concepts, Messages, etc.) with their own tag, and then

[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

Hi Jed, > I wasn't aware that there is a documentation plugin. But yes, you are > correct that the tiddlers aren't acting as expected because they are shadow > tiddlers. Solving this would require a significant amount of effort since > we would need to rewrite the documentation to make all

[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

Hi Allen, plugins alway unpack as shadow tiddlers. - If you fix the lists you could submit you modifications to tiddlywiki, all help is appreciated. all the best BJ On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 6:27:57 PM UTC, alien wrote: > > That's it! Thanks for the filter info. I've modfied a few of the

[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

I wasn't aware that there is a documentation plugin. But yes, you are correct that the tiddlers aren't acting as expected because they are shadow tiddlers. Solving this would require a significant amount of effort since we would need to rewrite the documentation to make all the lists include

[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

What I don't really understand is why the tag pills are working as expected within the documentation plugin shadow tidders. If you tag the tidder WikiText with the tag Wikitext and save it (as a normal tiddler), you can then see ALL of the documentation tidders tagged with WikiText. However,

[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation plugin not working as expected

Instead of adding 'self-referential' tags to the documentation plugin Concepts, Messages, etc tiddlers to make the More / Tags sidebar work correctly: Just change the $:/core/Filters/AllTags filter to be [all[tiddlers+shadows]tags[]!is[system]sort[title]] You will then see all of the

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Hi Metabele, > It seems that downloading JSON files from a Google group is easier for a > moderator than visiting a list of blogspot wikis and, attaching a JSON file > to a post is easier for a contributor than creating and updating a blogspot > wiki. > Actually, it complicates things, as

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Hi Matabele The process of exporting a tiddler to a .tid file, then attaching this file > to a post on this forum is fairly straightforward. > Another possibility is to use the "export all" button in the sidebar tools tab to export a JSON file of just the changed tiddlers. Looks to me that the

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Hi The process of exporting a tiddler to a .tid file, then attaching this file to a post on this forum is fairly straightforward. A possible interim solution: 1. Publish a periodically updated TW5-docs version from where contributors can obtain a fresh copy (as you have already done here.

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Hi Jeremy On Thursday, 24 September 2015 13:44:04 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Hi Matabele > > The process of exporting a tiddler to a .tid file, then attaching this >> file to a post on this forum is fairly straightforward. >> > > Another possibility is to use the "export all" button in the

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

I think I've said before that the problem with recent content updates is that a mistake that I made at the start of 5.1.10 means that I can't update tiddlywiki.com content until the next release. During the next cycle we shall return to the usual situation where I can push content changes as

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Hi *@Mark S.*, On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 3:26:51 AM UTC+12, Mark S. wrote: > > On a technical note, with the new process won't tiddlyspot become > cluttered with dozens or hundreds of "dead" TW's after a year or two? > As I mentioned earlier

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Hi Jeremy, > During the next cycle we shall return to the usual situation where I can > push content changes as they happen. > That is good to know! Best wishes, — tb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Thanks *@Jeremy*, I was composing a long reply to *@Mark S*, linking to those previous discussions, but you replied before I had finished, making my reply moot. Here's the link instead to Jeremy's previous post on this

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

I didn't find the Github process too arduous. What was problematic was waiting many weeks before simple, innocent documentation changes showed up or even were pulled. Apparently, documentation is treated as code (maybe because it's mixed in with the code). It doesn't seem like the proposed

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Hi Tobias You are right. I think it has to be made as simple as possible, not to add unnecessary workload on the person (I suspect Jeremy], who would have to collect the documentation suggestions. That would explain: > A desirable feature is the ability to see line-by-line diffs for the >

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Hi Birthe, > A desirable feature is the ability to see line-by-line diffs for the > changes, and perhaps to be able to easily export a JSON file of the changed > tiddlers. > I suspect something like this already exists outside of TiddlyWiki in how Jeremy handles translations, although I

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 5:50:28 PM UTC+12, Mat wrote: > Yeah. Unfortunate, but please don't forget that whatever IS working is > thanks to individuals just like you and me here in the community - with the > addition that they've really put in their heart to build something for us. >

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

> > We'll see what Big J says ;-) > I think we're going to take one step at a time. In other words, I don't see an automated aggregate-contributions-and-provide-a-workflow-to-figure-out-what-to-merge-and-how-and-why-thingy coming up soon. These things never turn out as "simple" as one would

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Oh boo, I've just found out that uploading a TW wiki to TiddlySpot, at least the first time, requires the Google Chrome browser. Everything "Googlish" that I use at present, starting with my Gmail email account, Groups, Google+ profile, Drive, and even their link shortner, I've only started

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 7:07:37 AM UTC+2, Hegart Dmishiv wrote: > > Oh boo, I've just found out that uploading a TW wiki to TiddlySpot, at > least the first time, requires the Google Chrome browser. > Yeah. Unfortunate, but please don't forget that whatever IS working is thanks to

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 6:52:27 AM UTC+2, Tobias Beer wrote: > > First of all, this is a very helpful idea and shall simplify both the > process of documentation as well as distributing the results. > > I believe, after having made edits, one would submit the contributions > to...

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

> > I definitely won't be installing Google Chrome browser on my home computer. > Consider either of these: - chromium - srware iron — tb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki"

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Hi Mat, I believe, after having made edits, one would submit the contributions to either a GitHub issue or a groups post, whereas the former is more easy to track for Jeremy while the latter might take longer to get picked up and processed. At that point, nothing should be done with that wiki

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

@Mat, it would seem to me that, once the merge is completed, your own TiddlySpot wiki would need to be purged and replaced with a fresh one, downloaded again from TiddlyWiki and uploaded to your own TiddlySpot, containing all the merges from yours and other documentation editor's work, before

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Contributors Edition

Interesting idea! :-) The idea is that a would-be contributor would clone this edition to > TiddlySpot (step-by-step instructions forthcoming), and then make their > changes, saving them back to TiddlySpot. I, or anyone else, can fairly > easily then pick up the wiki and extract the changed

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation

I tend to agree that TiddlyWiki does not explain the benefits of its approach to end-users. This was on my mind when I chose TW (Classic) as my platform for a genealogy publishing project, rather than going with a blog or other CMS. I want to convey to my visitors how this experience is

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation

I totally agree with you. Me too. What things can be improved? As pointed out by Stephan, the information for newbies is deficient. I think a lot of stuff could be rescued from http://classic.tiddlywiki.com/ such as - *What is TiddlyWiki* is exlained in tiddlers like:

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation

Andy, I like your navigational tourhttp://livesentwined.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BNavigating%20This%20Wiki%5D%5D . It's a good job that could be useful. Incidentally, I think the main TiddlySpace page does a better job of promoting the purpose and advantages of TW to a brand-new audience. +1

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation

I agree with Alberto's observation: - the behaviour: it first, the behaviour of TW can seem weird because it is not the usual in a website where one page replaces the other. Here you move up and down the same page and there is no apparent hierarchy or ordering of content

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:38:33 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote: Create tiddlers, show links, missing, orphans, tags, tagging, references The concepts mentioned above, are the same in TWclassic. @Jeremy, May be we can just copy them to TW5

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation

As Alberto, I can contribute to the translation into Spanish. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[tw] Re: TW5 Documentation splited.

Am Sonntag, 26. Januar 2014 21:49:13 UTC+1 schrieb Danielo Rodríguez: I don't have many examples now in mind, bet there are many others. Is any help needed in order to fix this situation? I'm almost 100% sure any help from your side in enhancing the documentation will be more than

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation

Hi Dylan Currently there is little documentation for TW5 except what Jeremy has at five.tiddlywiki.com, and answers in this group to my many questions. Seriously, reading answers to my posts in this group is a good start! I created a TW5 mall of tips and tricks, but with the refactoring, there

[tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation

I see that the answers to your questions are indeed useful. Thanks for asking them! I'll try not to repeat to many of them, myself and I am learning from your example. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group