Re: [tw] Re: Scripture tiddly wiki 5 examples

I have a functional version that meets my needs. However I am using it to document my notes and use it to teach so all of the great transclusion methods aren't what I need. The creation has been cut and paste by chapter with commentary in line or by linking to other pages. I understand that i

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Did you make any changes/upgrades after you last posted? On Friday, 26 February 2016 05:24:15 UTC+5:30, Marc wrote: > > I am trying to make a simple scripture using tiddly wiki 5 so people can > use it to add notes and reflections. > > I would sure like to see some examples that might be out the

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I've updated the KJV Bible to include an example of what I was thinking about in terms of annotations. I've added sticky notes from stickynotes.tiddlyspot.com. Each verse can have a sticky note. The note shows up at the chapter level if it exists. Look at Ezekiel chapter 1 to see an example of

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Here's the final version, in json form of the kit I used to convert whole books of the Bible. https://www.dropbox.com/s/hp5kwo5jqarkkw3/Project_Verses2TW_v01.json?dl=0 The kit contains the following tiddlers: Incoming2 Verses2TW: Launcher Verses2TW: Macro This kit should probably be run from a

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Ok,KJV OT loaded, though the sort lists for the books are not all in place. I am sorely tempted to leaveth that as an exerciseth unto the student (breaking into KJV speech mode here). https://www.dropbox.com/s/2n4qgh6skshzvtq/kjv-bible.html?dl=0 It's a little more than 10 megs at this point. It

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Mark S. Impressive work, almost a complete KJV now. Great to find someone with the javascript and regex knowledge, interest and time to push this toward completion. Your generator would be a great help in creating other versions too. Greg -- You received this message because you are subscrib

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Sorry if I'm late to the party but there are text-only versions of the bible. There are at least 6 versions to download for free from bibletext . >From there you can import the text of each chapter into TW somehow. I assume each chapter would have

Re: [tw] Re: Scripture tiddly wiki 5 examples

Wow! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:02 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki > wrote: > > For those who don't follow the google groups web forum (and thus don't see > the edits) about half the KJV OT is more or less complete (some need the > chapter list field filled in) at : > > https

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For those who don't follow the google groups web forum (and thus don't see the edits) about half the KJV OT is more or less complete (some need the chapter list field filled in) at : https://www.dropbox.com/s/2n4qgh6skshzvtq/kjv-bible.html?dl=0 I'm using an approach that I used in converting C

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That's interesting. If you had text, from any source, which was preceded like the Gutenberg Bible by an identfier like bbb:ccc:sss where bbb is book (or major heading), ccc is chapter, and sss is stanza (or verse), accompanied by a list of names of books by number, then it should be possible t

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A bunch of what you said was beyond my skill level. But I am excited to see what is possible. I am willing to do the boring work if someone can walk me through it. Thanks for you efforts. Marc Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Josiah wrote: > > Marc & all > > I reall

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I agree it's interesting to consider mass conversion of texts from Gutenberg - at least, it would be good to imagine a tool that lets someone easily choose a standard e-text, import it and then clean it up. If you are just looking for clean versions of the texts, you can search for, eg; "shake

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Ciao Mark S. I just looked at the Gutenberg Complete Shakespeare http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/100/pg100.txt I see your point. It has bizarre stuff in it. Its a mess. It is not well laid out either. I think what is needed is a regex PRE-process that samples texts to see if they follow a

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The Gutenberg KJV text is almost ideally suited for conversion with regex of some type -- every verse has it's own id in exactly the same format. Looking at Shakespeare texts , on the other hand, at least in my quick sampling, the formatting is very scatter-shot. It appears that the original do

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Marc & all I really like this thread. Its dealing with CONTENT. It seems to me that MASS conversion of Gutenberg texts into a reliable TiddlyWiki JSON importable format file (using regex, or better a full featured Grep engine) is not beyond reach. In fact, very close. Its interesting to think

Re: [tw] Re: Scripture tiddly wiki 5 examples

Richard Smith As far as i can see the way you built your version makes optimal use to TW5's love of fragments for purpose (i.e. the fundamental verse units). That is reflected in the performance. Josiah On Sunday, 5 June 2016 13:10:15 UTC+2, Richard Smith wrote: > > It's true that the file get

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Ciao Mark S. Genesis Bugs? lol. Yep. That's where all the trouble started! :-) Josiah On Sunday, 5 June 2016 21:29:32 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: > > I found my dropbox account. Here's Greg's KJV bible plus 3 books of the > OT (Genesis, Job, Esther) and some tools (which you can find by looking for

Re: [tw] Re: Scripture tiddly wiki 5 examples

Wow. Thanks. Lots to look at! I will get back to you with questions. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2016, at 1:29 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki > wrote: > > I found my dropbox account. Here's Greg's KJV bible plus 3 books of the OT > (Genesis, Job, Esther) and some tools (which you can fin

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I found my dropbox account. Here's Greg's KJV bible plus 3 books of the OT (Genesis, Job, Esther) and some tools (which you can find by looking for tag "MAS"). https://www.dropbox.com/s/2n4qgh6skshzvtq/kjv-bible.html?dl=0 Mark On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-8, Marc wrote: >

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Hi Greg, I'm trying to understand what the advantage of the list-after approach is. To me it looks like it means that there are an additional 40 characters that have to be added to each chapter. But the same thing can be accomplished just by inserting the ordering list in the parent tiddler (

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I am an instructional designer and so I am much more concerned about the user interface and the end user. All that you are doing with the core application flows downhill to benefit the end user and you are all doing great things. However, not everyone that can benefit from TW will be able to d

Re: [tw] Re: Scripture tiddly wiki 5 examples

Thanks Richard. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2016, at 5:10 AM, Richard Smith > wrote: > > It's true that the file gets bigger, obviously, but the main point of my test > was to assess how much it slows down by with a large structured text and the > answer is 'not much' - the document I c

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Thanks. I love the single file idea so it is easy to share and not tied to the internet. For now I will continue with TW. As a teacher it makes sense for me. I don't need all of those requirement to be met to have a working tool to meet my needs. Hope still lives and I think that TW is do

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It's true that the file gets bigger, obviously, but the main point of my test was to assess how much it slows down by with a large structured text and the answer is 'not much' - the document I compiled had around 23,000 tiddlers and was quite useable. There are some exceptions to that. Part of

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Given your long list, it might be that TW5 isn't the right venue for you. Have you looked at Evernote? Most everything (that I understand) on your list could be done in EN. Certain things like collaboration and email either can't be done or can't be done easily in TW. Another possibility would

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The philosophy may make some sort of sense in the context of server-based wikis or other systems with unlimited resources or with shorter documents. But TW5 has no indexed optimization, and the bigger it gets, the slower it gets. Each tiddler that is created has a substantial amount of overhead

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That gives me a better idea of the underlying principles. With the scriptures I was placing the basic text in the TW and allow myself and others to use the basic text to create small tiddlers that can be manipulated to the hearts content. I would think that anchors would allow the novice users

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I understand but I still think tw5 is the way to go. Here is a list of things I want to easily do and that I think users should be able to do without getting into coding. Scripture notebook actions - Highlight (Several colors) - Underline - Bold - Strike through - Italicizes - Insert [though

Re: [tw] Re: Scripture tiddly wiki 5 examples

If you want to work with large chunks of data, sectioned into bits, it probably still makes sense to build a system that uses individual tiddlers as the fundamental units. The alternative is to have a two-teir heirarchy where individual chunks are referred to by "container + identifier", meanin

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This is one of the changes between TW and TW5 -- the theory that tiddlers should contain little bits of information rather than larger chunks of data sectioned into accessible bits. I think the latter approach more closely reflects how most people would prefer to work, but what can you do? Anyw

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Thanks Richard. I understand where you are coming from. For me it is not getting the text into TW but having something that is really usable for me and my students. Sorry for the rant. I wish I had the skills that you and others have. My big wish is that it was possible to have anchors insid

Re: [tw] Re: Scripture tiddly wiki 5 examples

Hi Marc, Your original question got a bit lost here, I think. The answer is that of course there are easier ways to use Tiddlywiki and the way to do so depends on just what you would like to do. If you haven't seen it already, I suggest that you take a look at the work of David Gifford, who has

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Hi Greg, I used the "list" method to force sorting in the Exodus example. Previously you had used the "list-after" field to force sorting (at least in Genesis). I could probably add "list-after" to the generator, but this was easier for now. I was bit winded, actually. There was a mistake in

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Hi Mark, Well, looks like I stirred up some discussion on this topic.Yes there cold be simpler ways of getting the text into a JSON to load into TW but it will not be formatted. I'm not just doing straight text. In NT added words of Christ in red. I'm adding italics for the words added by the

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Hi Richard, Yes, I remenber. Had the large cross and tabbed contents if I recall correctly. I was trying to figure out the format I wanted to use and considered yours but went off in a bit different direction. One feels a more intimate conection to the text when working at that level. Closest a

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Javascript itself is probably the equal of those other languages. I'm working on a way to automate this process somewhat in TW, though I'm not actually convinced of the value of the verse-by-verse approach. I'm thinking about filling it up with the WEB, which, as far as I can tell, is the only

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In general I would agree with you, since the size of the *Empty* Bible made verse by verse is larger than the size of an entire *Filled* Bible done chapter-by-chapter. However, I can see some advantages. You could go to an individual verse and add your own comments below, perhaps in backtick mo

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I don't understand how each verse being its own tiddler can help individuals own what they read and note what they feel inspired by. The people I work with have scriptures full of highlights, notes, and little slips of paper through throughout. That's what I have too. I was hoping for a sim

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I am slightly horrified at the thought of manually copying and pasting each verse. This is something that you could automate using perl or a similar coding language and it would probably take less time to learn and implement than doing all the copying manually. -- You received this message bec

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By chapter is my thought too. Thank you for your work. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 1, 2016, at 3:10 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki > wrote: > > The work is a lot easier if you just enter entire chapters at once. At 4 > chapters a day (perhaps as part of your regular reading) you can complete

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Hi Greg, I have also previously spent many (many, many) hours of laborious copy-pasta - I find it kind of soothing in a strange way, but there is also something very satisfying in figuring out how to automate away a lot of the pain. I don't know if you saw it already, but I made an old testam

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The work is a lot easier if you just enter entire chapters at once. At 4 chapters a day (perhaps as part of your regular reading) you can complete it in less than a year. I'm not sure if breaking it into verses is worth the effort. Having it in verses means that it will be really large, and mig

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Example of a large complex text. Took the template JSONs that are being used for creating my KJV Bible and built an empty bible. None of the actual verses, just short place holders. Comes in at 10MBytes. the empty bible - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/sh/9gfy8yeogq6n4u8/AADLLrnysbegzvLxEQY

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Its a very interesting project. You don't need to be Christian to appreciate the effort that has gone into it. Though not yet complete it does illustrate that TW5 is well capable of handling very large complex texts very well. I do suggest that you add a bookmarking or favoriting plugin so read

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Wow. This has taken a great effort! I need to look at it more carefully and get back to you. Thank you for remembering me. Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Greg Davis wrote: > > Don't know what happened to the first post, try again. > > Just an update for those intereste

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Don't know what happened to the first post, try again. Just an update for those interested in a KJV Bible in TW. Still have some cleanup to do, but have the complete New Testament now. Must sort out a few things and will then post the JSONs. Moving on to entering the Old Testament. Sample from

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Just an update for those interested in a KJV Bible in TW. Still have some cleanup to do, but have the complete New Testament now. Must sort out a few things and will then post the JSONs. Moving on to entering the Old Testament. Sample of Genesis included. For now: for the base bible layout use

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Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:58 AM, Jed Carty wrote: > > I think I got bored and stopped working on it, and I can't find any of the > output, but here is what I still have: > > This perl script: > > open(TEXT, " > open (FILE, ">>bible.json") || die "problem opening bib

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Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:58 AM, Jed Carty wrote: > > I think I got bored and stopped working on it, and I can't find any of the > output, but here is what I still have: > > This perl script: > > open(TEXT, " > open (FILE, ">>bible.json") || die "problem opening bib

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I think I got bored and stopped working on it, and I can't find any of the output, but here is what I still have: This perl script: open(TEXT, ">bible.json") || die "problem opening bible.json\n"; print FILE "[\n"; my $book; while() { if ( $_ =~ /^\D{2,}/ ) { $book = $_; }

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Great. Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Jed Carty wrote: > > As an exercise to learn perl a while ago I took a bible from project > Gutenberg and split it into tiddlers and tagged it by verse and chapter and > stuff. I can see if I still have the code tomorrow. There

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As an exercise to learn perl a while ago I took a bible from project Gutenberg and split it into tiddlers and tagged it by verse and chapter and stuff. I can see if I still have the code tomorrow. There isn't much grunt work as far as that is concerned. -- You received this message because yo

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Too bad about anchor tags that is exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) > wrote: > >> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 11:50:45 AM UTC-5, Marc wrote: >> >> Is there a way to link to specific paragraphs in an individu

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Thank you. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Greg Davis wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been working on something like this off and on for some time. There are > sources for text like the example give earlier. I'm taking a somewhat brute > force approach. There are a couple of very

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Hi, I've been working on something like this off and on for some time. There are sources for text like the example give earlier. I'm taking a somewhat brute force approach. There are a couple of very early examples of my thoughts on appraching this, been focused on entering the content rather

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On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 11:50:45 AM UTC-5, Marc wrote: Is there a way to link to specific paragraphs in an individual tiddler so > that I could cross simply cross reference from one tiddler to a portion of > another. > As far as I know, TiddlyWiki5 doesn't support anchor tags like that.

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On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 7:45:08 AM UTC-5, ben wrote: > Relatively little grunting required, see: > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/6H1xh8mjnMI/WC6s0H7ny4kJ > Awe-SOME. I *knew* someone out there had to have tackled the heavy lifting (at least in part) before. :) -- You

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Thanks for this. I can see how this individual verse approach is the ultimate way to go. Is there a way to link to specific paragraphs in an individual tiddler so that I could cross simply cross reference from one tiddler to a portion of another. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2016, at 5:4

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Thank you for your comments. As I move forward I will share. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Hegart Dmishiv wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > I can imagine this becoming a massive undertaking, as Scott alludes to in his > "grunt work" comment above. I envision individual tiddlers fo

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For what I am doing I think I'll do it by chapter. I am feeling if I want my users to really make it their scriptures that it has got to be very simple. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2016, at 5:28 AM, Arlen Beiler wrote: > > The grunt work could be very easily automated using a simple scri

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That's what I am doing Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:51 AM, Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) > wrote: > > HI, Marc — > > I don't have anything to share, but I've often thought TiddlyWiki would make > a great vessel for scripture, with its various atomic parts and different > translat

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Relatively little grunting required, see: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/6H1xh8mjnMI/WC6s0H7ny4kJ Ben On Thursday, 25 February 2016 23:54:15 UTC, Marc wrote: > > I am trying to make a simple scripture using tiddly wiki 5 so people can > use it to add notes and reflections. > >

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The grunt work could be very easily automated using a simple script to load text files, as the text files are readily available in a computer readable format. On Feb 26, 2016 5:42 AM, "Hegart Dmishiv" wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I can imagine this becoming a massive undertaking, as Scott alludes to in

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Hi Mark, I can imagine this becoming a massive undertaking, as Scott alludes to in his "grunt work" comment above. I envision individual tiddlers for each and every verse in the scriptural text, such as the reputedly 31,102 verses of

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HI, Marc — I don't have anything to share, but I've often thought TiddlyWiki would make a great vessel for scripture, with its various atomic parts and different translations. I keep hoping someone else will do the grunt work of putting all the text into a TiddlyWiki. :) -- You received thi