date:20191204


>
> Is there any way to create a generic "view source" button for view 
> toolbar? Which would work on any type of tiddler and toggle between source 
> and rendered versions of the tiddler (or open the given tiddler in using 
> view source template).
>
>
This is very easy with basic tiddlywiki, just create a tiddler 
tagged  $:/tags/ViewTemplate then have a list widget that determines when 
to display the content in a <$view/> as per Mohammad. The filter 
on the list widget decides when to display the code view.

I have done this a number of times, and will do so again and share soon, as 
I have more ideas.

Here is some work in progress to decide which system tiddlers I 
automatically provide the code view for

<$list 
filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]prefix[$:/]removeprefix[$:/]splitbefore[/]removesuffix[/]sort[]]">



Still working

Tony


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[tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin 2.0.0 beta 10: Dynamic Tables

Mohammad,

In edit mode the columns reduce to a short minimum and the table does not 
use 100% of the Width. Would there be a way to provide or alter the table 
width to 100% to make editing easier perhaps with a custom class or table 
style parameter?

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 6:34:07 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
> *Date: Dec 4th,  2019*
> *Release: 2.0.0 beta 10*
> *Status: beta under development*
>
> A new beta update is available.
>
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>
> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>
>
> This update has an amazing new feature: *Dynamic Tables*. see the 
> tutorial here
> Dynamic tables can be created from tiddler fields OR data tiddler indexes 
> (json or dictionary)
>
> https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/#Tutorial%20Dynamic%20Tables
>
> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is based on the great plugin TiddlyTables 
>  by Alan Aldrich, so all kodous goes 
> to Alan.
>
> Dynamic tables is a very simple with limited features comparing to 
> TiddlyTables . Shiraz dynamic tables 
> has some features not available in TiddlyTables 
>  0.6.13 (at the time of release Dec 
> 2019) like
>
>- inline editor
>- data tiddler support
>- independency from host tiddler (e.g. having many tables in one 
>tiddler)
>- minimum settings
>
> These make Shiraz dynamic tables a simple and easy to use limited version 
> of Tiddlywiki dynamic tables.
>
> [image: Image 094.png]
>
>
> [image: Image 095.png]
> --Mohammad
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin 2.0.0 beta 10: Dynamic Tables

Mohammad,

Lovely work and look. Just as with TiddlyTables 

 by Alan Aldrich, this has great potential that comes from the ease of use. 
It makes more sense to build a table than build a list widget to list 
tiddlers view and edit various fields.

The List widget is a staple for tiddlywiki, including when researching or 
designing but dynamic tables are a far quicker way. It would like to see a 
version of you and Alans work in the standard edition. Why? because such 
methods are essential to using, maintaining or exploring any tiddlywiki.

For example you could use the following;

<>

To Create and edit the description field for all config tiddlers.

Good work as usual
Thanks
Tony


On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 6:34:07 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
> *Date: Dec 4th,  2019*
> *Release: 2.0.0 beta 10*
> *Status: beta under development*
>
> A new beta update is available.
>
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>
> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>
>
> This update has an amazing new feature: *Dynamic Tables*. see the 
> tutorial here
> Dynamic tables can be created from tiddler fields OR data tiddler indexes 
> (json or dictionary)
>
> https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/#Tutorial%20Dynamic%20Tables
>
> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is based on the great plugin TiddlyTables 
> 
>  by Alan Aldrich, so all kodous goes to Alan.
>
> Dynamic tables is a very simple with limited features comparing to 
> TiddlyTables . Shiraz dynamic tables 
> has some features not available in TiddlyTables 
>  0.6.13 (at the time of release Dec 
> 2019) like
>
>- inline editor
>- data tiddler support
>- independency from host tiddler (e.g. having many tables in one 
>tiddler)
>- minimum settings
>
> These make Shiraz dynamic tables a simple and easy to use limited version 
> of Tiddlywiki dynamic tables.
>
> [image: Image 094.png]
>
>
> [image: Image 095.png]
> --Mohammad
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin 2.0.0 beta 10: Dynamic Tables

2019-12-04 Thread David Gifford

Nice! Great to have you back.

I added Dynamic tables (Shiraz) right under Dynamic tables (ooktech) in the 
toolmap.

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 1:34:07 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
> *Date: Dec 4th,  2019*
> *Release: 2.0.0 beta 10*
> *Status: beta under development*
>
> A new beta update is available.
>
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>
> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>
>
> This update has an amazing new feature: *Dynamic Tables*. see the 
> tutorial here
> Dynamic tables can be created from tiddler fields OR data tiddler indexes 
> (json or dictionary)
>
> https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/#Tutorial%20Dynamic%20Tables
>
> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is based on the great plugin TiddlyTables 
>  by Alan Aldrich, so all kodous goes 
> to Alan.
>
> Dynamic tables is a very simple with limited features comparing to 
> TiddlyTables . Shiraz dynamic tables 
> has some features not available in TiddlyTables 
>  0.6.13 (at the time of release Dec 
> 2019) like
>
>- inline editor
>- data tiddler support
>- independency from host tiddler (e.g. having many tables in one 
>tiddler)
>- minimum settings
>
> These make Shiraz dynamic tables a simple and easy to use limited version 
> of Tiddlywiki dynamic tables.
>
> [image: Image 094.png]
>
>
> [image: Image 095.png]
> --Mohammad
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Filter operators: THEN ELSE ~(ELSE)

Mohammad et al,

Also consider the use of getvariable Operator 

New in: 5.1.20 The usual way to retrieve a variable value within a filter 
is with the angle brackets notation. For example, [] will 
retrieve the value of the variable called currentTiddler.  

eg Untested by me just now

[] or [match[yes]] or [else[novalue]]

Also

is Operator 

New in: 5.1.20 is[variable]] test exists as a variable (whether or not that 
variable has a non-blank value)
blank New in: 5.1.20 is[blank] (i.e. is a zero length string)

Tony

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 1:51:20 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
> I am wondering how to use filter operator THEN, ELSE and ~(else)
>
> Why the below fails
>
> <$list filter="[thenelse]>
>
>
> 
>
>
> What is the difference between else and ~?
>
> <$list filter="[else]">
>
>
> 
>
>
> and 
>
> <$list filter="[[] ~[]]">
>
>
> 
>
>
> --Mohammad
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Filter operators: THEN ELSE ~(ELSE)

2019-12-04 Thread Xavier Cazin

Hi Mohammad,

A good concrete example could be a followup to your recent template
question. Here, we used the ~[...] construct to *compute* a tiddler title
(or a list thereof):

<$list variable=template filter="[tag[a]] ~[tag[b]] ~[[tid3]]">
<$transclude mode=block tiddler=<> />


The computation of tid2 could have been of course arbitrarily more complex
than *[tag[b]].*
If we wanted to use the *else* operator on the other hand, the only thing
we could have done would have been to directly write tiddler titles that
were previously known, like in:

<$list variable=template filter="[tag[a]else[tid2]else[tid3]]">
<$transclude mode=block tiddler=<> />


Or at most, got from a variable or a  field:

<$list variable=template
filter="[tag[a]elseelse{field-holding-tid3}]">
<$transclude mode=block tiddler=<> />


By the way, your test below is indeed intriguing. It looks like the
operator *title* (hidden in the  expression) always constructs something
that won't be considered empty by the rest of the filter, whatever the
value of the variable  is. In other words, it always returns b. It
sounds like a bug to me :-)

<$list filter="[thenelse]">




-- Xavier


On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 8:20 PM Mohammad  wrote:

> Yes, I hope to see more example to see how they work!
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:36:46 PM UTC+3:30, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Could you give a concrete example? Just asking for a friend :-)
>>
>> On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:49:18 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> then and else are used in a filter run. ~ starts a new run.
>>>
>>> See the docs list
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> -m
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Wikitext in $list widgets

This need to place a blank line before some wikitext inside widgets, even html 
is common through out tiddlywiki. Its even noted sometimes in the documentation.

I do as TT said myself.

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyClip latest?

Which plugin version? Did you reload the Wiki after installing? That is 
required. Reload. Then dock.

Not sure I know what you mean "in the tab". Did you navigate to another 
html file?

The docking is the main reason I don't use tiddlyclip very often. I wish 
there was a way for a wiki to auto-dock itself.

There are other system-wide clipboard tools (like Ditto) that are sometimes 
easier to use, and don't require you to go back and forth with docking.

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 1:15:15 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mark
>
> I installed the plugin from github
>
> I select a wiki target with dock, then rclick in the source tab tiddlyclip 
> and nothing seems send anything to the target.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Inclusion of Whole MP3 Files

Its all about total size of your wiki file loaded into the browser and if its 
likely to grow. If you just need to add a little it would be fine.

Tony

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[tw5] Tiddler Date: Changing Format

Hi

The date under the title is the modified date and Eric has shown you how to 
change how it appears in the subtitle.

However you can use the view widget to display and date field however you want.

Tony

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Re: [tw5] To Google Group Owner - Jeremy?

Jeremy

Aggreed. The collaboration setting may not be appropriate. Perhaps my question 
was premature as I did not know what settings were already set.

Since my question I took a group I own and switched between the multiple 
options. It seems to me that we have not considered this as a way to get gg 
doing what we need as a forum. 

There may be value reviewing this. As far as I can see it only changes the 
tools available in the online forum client.

Yes perhaps we can discuss.

Tony 

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyClip latest?

Mark

I installed the plugin from github

I select a wiki target with dock, then rclick in the source tab tiddlyclip and 
nothing seems send anything to the target.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Filter operators: THEN ELSE ~(ELSE)

You examples look wrong to me

[thenelse]

Basicaly you are using three variables as titles and you are relying on an 
empty variable to be the same. In your example you are only testing for the 
existence of a and returning either b or c.

This may be what you want?

tony

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[tw5] Re: Filter operators: THEN ELSE ~(ELSE)

I think the best way for me is to think of then and else operators is they 
return a string, or title if the list is not empty then or else if list is 
empty.


Generate/list titles > then[hastitles]else[notitles]

So the above coded as a filter will only ever return hastitles or notitles.

The ~ on the other hand does test for empty list as well and can return a 
single title or new list.

Along with match these new operators will allow us to write filters more 
logically and in more natural language, I would say plain English like but the 
titles can be any language. 

By being able to generate a string/title output on ones choosing from a filter, 
the wiki text can have further tests to respond to the generated result.

Happy to post examples as I collect them for myself.

Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: Display content of Macro Tiddler

2019-12-04 Thread ILYA

I am having the same problem. Often I want to know how tiddler is implemented 
to be able to copy/paste some parts of it. I can go to edit mode, but I always 
afraid to change source by accident. Is there any way to create a generic  
"view source" button for view toolbar? Which would work on any type of tiddler 
and toggle between source and rendered versions of the tiddler (or open the 
given tiddler in using view source template).

Best regards,
iilyak

On 3 December 2019 23:44:55 GMT-08:00, Mohammad  
wrote:
>Yes,
> One solution is using Utility plugin
>
>https://kookma.github.io/TW-Utility/
>
>
>The other is to write your own ViewTemplate as below
>
><$list filter="[all[current]tag[$:/tags/Macro]]">
><$view/>
>
>
>
>Good luck
>
>On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 11:10:57 AM UTC+3:30, Torax Malu
>wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>>
>> I noticed several times while working with macro tiddler, that the
>content 
>> is only displayed in edit mode. Is there an option / add-on, which
>shows 
>> the macro itself instead of the interpreted result without switching
>to 
>> edit mode?
>>
>>
>> Thanks and cheers
>>
>>
>> ToraxMalu
>>
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[tw5] Shiraz plugin 2.0.0 beta 10: Dynamic Tables

*Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
*Date: Dec 4th, 2019*
*Release: 2.0.0 beta 10*
*Status: beta under development*

A new beta update is available.

Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz

Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!

This update has an amazing new feature: *Dynamic Tables*. see the tutorial
here
Dynamic tables can be created from tiddler fields OR data tiddler indexes
(json or dictionary)

https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/#Tutorial%20Dynamic%20Tables

Dynamic tables in Shiraz is based on the great plugin TiddlyTables
by Alan Aldrich, so all kodous goes
to Alan.

Dynamic tables is a very simple with limited features comparing to
TiddlyTables . Shiraz dynamic tables
has some features not available in TiddlyTables
0.6.13 (at the time of release Dec
2019) like

- inline editor
- data tiddler support
- independency from host tiddler (e.g. having many tables in one tiddler)
- minimum settings

These make Shiraz dynamic tables a simple and easy to use limited version
of Tiddlywiki dynamic tables.

[image: Image 094.png]

[image: Image 095.png]
--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Filter operators: THEN ELSE ~(ELSE)

Yes, I hope to see more example to see how they work!

--Mohammad

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:36:46 PM UTC+3:30, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Could you give a concrete example? Just asking for a friend :-)
>
> On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:49:18 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>>
>> Hi, 
>>
>> then and else are used in a filter run. ~ starts a new run. 
>>
>> See the docs list 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> -m
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Introducing TiddlyTables a plugin for creating sortable tables.

Alan

On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 3:32:19 AM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>
> I would love to get more technical feedback on the code in case there are 
> some optimizations that can be made. I may need to post something on 
> TiddlyWikiDev for that. In any case, I think the next big milestone is the 
> 1.0 stable release. I want to make sure there aren't any missing use cases, 
> documentation is adequate, and of course no bugs. Thank you for your 
> feedback so far and thanks in advance for any future testing/feedback.
>
> I think this needs to discuss different part of the code here to get more 
feedback! TiddlyTables has hundreds line of code!
Your tiddler approach in developing TiddlyTables is very interesting! 

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Introducing TiddlyTables a plugin for creating sortable tables.

You are welcome!
I think TiddlyTable worth to have an Edition
See https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Editions

--Mohammad




On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 9:16:12 PM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
> I see what you mean. The action to delete the state tiddler 
> "$:/temp/tables/delete-all" does not need to be inside the list on the 
> confirm button and the list doesn't need to exist on the cancel button. 
> Good catch! I will correct that on the next release.
>
> BTW, per your last message, I have added support for data-dictionary 
> tiddlers and index values. I will update 
> http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/ and send out an announcement later 
> today hopefully.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 10:53:41 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alen,
>>
>>  In the code
>>
>> <$reveal class="tbl-delete-confirm" type="match" 
>> state="$:/temp/tables/delete-all!!text" text=<> tag="div">
>> Delete all displayed records? 
>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">
>>   <$list filter=<> variable="currentRecord">
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<
>> > $value=""/>
>> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<>/>
>>  <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/tables/delete-all"/>
>>   
>>   {{$:/core/images/delete-button}} ''yes'' 
>>  or 
>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">
>>   <$list filter=<> variable="currentRecord">
>> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/tables/delete-all"/>
>>   
>>   {{$:/core/images/close-button}} ''no'' 
>> 
>>   
>>
>> Why you put highlighted command inside $list widget?
>>
>>
>> -Mohammad
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 3:32:19 AM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>> I updated TiddlyTables with an enhancement I hope you enjoy - *read/edit 
>>> mode toggle for all columns*. 
>>> http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/
>>> Victor's request got me thinking this should be a standard feature. 
>>> There is a new option under "Editor/Mode" in the edit menu called "Mode". 
>>> This dropdown is linked to the field "tbl-mode" of a table. When set to 
>>> "edit" it causes all fields to use the edit template. Some columns like 
>>> title, modified and created are excluded. I plan to document this feature 
>>> in more detail soon. Please give it a try and let me know what you think. 
>>> Additionally, I corrected an issue with the delete column. It should work 
>>> better now.
>>>
>>> Mohammad,
>>> I would like to eventually get TiddlyTables and maybe the Task Manager 
>>> into the plugin directory. Both plugins are still in beta as I wanted to 
>>> get feedback from the community before rolling to v1.0. The Task Manager 
>>> could be refined a bit more and I would like to develop a little more 
>>> documentation for it and TiddlyTables before I promote them too much. I 
>>> would love to get more technical feedback on the code in case there are 
>>> some optimizations that can be made. I may need to post something on 
>>> TiddlyWikiDev for that. In any case, I think the next big milestone is the 
>>> 1.0 stable release. I want to make sure there aren't any missing use cases, 
>>> documentation is adequate, and of course no bugs. Thank you for your 
>>> feedback so far and thanks in advance for any future testing/feedback.
>>>
>>> TT,
>>> Not sure what z_tag was but I removed it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 8:14:37 AM UTC-6, TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 Why has this thread got a tag " z_tag " 
 ? What is 
 that about?

 I added a " tables " tag to the thread.

 Tagging is good in  GG (web version). Very helpful when you search 
 later. 
 Your major search tag should likely be " tables ".

 This gets it at the moment: GG search on author & subject 
 
 .

 Best wishes
 TT 

 On Monday, 9 September 2019 21:01:41 UTC+2, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>
> Greetings All, I am a long time fan of TiddlyWiki but new to the 
> community. First and foremost, I would like to thank Jeremy for creating 
> TiddlyWiki and everyone who supports it. As a way to learn the ins and 
> outs 
> of TiddlyWiki I started a "table builder" plugin that I have been 
> gradually 
> improving in my spare time. I finally got around to finishing it up 
> recently and would like to share it with the community. 
>
> The ability for the entire wiki to import/export to/from a spreadsheet 
> is a fascinating feature of TiddlyWiki, and I wanted to build on that 
> strength by creating a simple way to query data in the wiki and display 
> it 
> in a tabular way. I am calling it TiddlyTables. The following link 
> contains 
> installation instructions and examples:

[tw5] Re: Display content of Macro Tiddler

2019-12-04 Thread 'Torax Malu' via TiddlyWiki

Thanks you two.

Am Mittwoch, 4. Dezember 2019 18:54:01 UTC+1 schrieb TiddlyTweeter:
>
> The "Not Quite Documented" is a thing we could address with a list of some 
> outstanding items like this?
> The main docs are good, but terse.
> I added this to a list I'm keeping. For later.
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Tag the tiddler $:/tags/ViewTemplate.
>>
>> ...  is  [not] discussed directly on TiddlyWiki.com. It's a pretty 
>> important feature
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

Steve

Ah! Good.

A used their Mermaid without realising the source.

At least it is a link!

Tx. TT

Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> ... their github page is here... 
> https://github.com/gt6796c

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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

Thanks Ton

Good to know

TT

Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Made by Nathaniel Jones according to the licences of his plugins
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

2019-12-04 Thread Ste Wilson

Ah! Well spotted! 

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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

2019-12-04 Thread Ton Gerner

Hi,

Made by Nathaniel Jones according to the licences of his plugins.

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

2019-12-04 Thread Ste Wilson

No clue. Quick gg search on mobile didn't turn anything up but their github 
page is here... There seems to be a drop box saver ;)
https://github.com/gt6796c

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[tw5] Re: Display content of Macro Tiddler

The "Not Quite Documented" is a thing we could address with a list of some 
outstanding items like this?
The main docs are good, but terse.
I added this to a list I'm keeping. For later.

Mark S. wrote:
>
> Tag the tiddler $:/tags/ViewTemplate.
>
> ...  is  [not] discussed directly on TiddlyWiki.com. It's a pretty 
> important feature
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Introducing TiddlyTables a plugin for creating sortable tables.

2019-12-04 Thread Alan Aldrich

Hi Mohammad,
The delete button in the header template: 
$:/plugins/aaldrich/tables/template/header/delete 

 creates 
the "state" tiddler: $:/temp/tables/delete-all. This tiddler ensures there 
is at least one record in the list and causes the delete confirmation to 
reveal above the table. If the user confirms or cancels the delete, this 
state tiddler must be deleted to hide the confirmation.

BTW, per your last message, I have added support for data-dictionary 
tiddlers and index values. I will 
update http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/ and send out an announcement 
later today hopefully.


On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 10:53:41 AM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Alen,
>
>  In the code
>
> <$reveal class="tbl-delete-confirm" type="match" 
> state="$:/temp/tables/delete-all!!text" text=<> tag="div">
> Delete all displayed records? 
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">
>   <$list filter=<> variable="currentRecord">
> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<
> > $value=""/>
> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<>/>
>  <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/tables/delete-all"/>
>   
>   {{$:/core/images/delete-button}} ''yes'' 
>  or 
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">
>   <$list filter=<> variable="currentRecord">
> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/tables/delete-all"/>
>   
>   {{$:/core/images/close-button}} ''no'' 
> 
>   
>
> Why you put highlighted command inside $list widget?
>
>
> -Mohammad
>
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 3:32:19 AM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>>
>> All,
>> I updated TiddlyTables with an enhancement I hope you enjoy - *read/edit 
>> mode toggle for all columns*. 
>> http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/
>> Victor's request got me thinking this should be a standard feature. There 
>> is a new option under "Editor/Mode" in the edit menu called "Mode". This 
>> dropdown is linked to the field "tbl-mode" of a table. When set to "edit" 
>> it causes all fields to use the edit template. Some columns like title, 
>> modified and created are excluded. I plan to document this feature in more 
>> detail soon. Please give it a try and let me know what you think. 
>> Additionally, I corrected an issue with the delete column. It should work 
>> better now.
>>
>> Mohammad,
>> I would like to eventually get TiddlyTables and maybe the Task Manager 
>> into the plugin directory. Both plugins are still in beta as I wanted to 
>> get feedback from the community before rolling to v1.0. The Task Manager 
>> could be refined a bit more and I would like to develop a little more 
>> documentation for it and TiddlyTables before I promote them too much. I 
>> would love to get more technical feedback on the code in case there are 
>> some optimizations that can be made. I may need to post something on 
>> TiddlyWikiDev for that. In any case, I think the next big milestone is the 
>> 1.0 stable release. I want to make sure there aren't any missing use cases, 
>> documentation is adequate, and of course no bugs. Thank you for your 
>> feedback so far and thanks in advance for any future testing/feedback.
>>
>> TT,
>> Not sure what z_tag was but I removed it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 8:14:37 AM UTC-6, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Why has this thread got a tag " z_tag " 
>>> ? What is that 
>>> about?
>>>
>>> I added a " tables " tag to the thread.
>>>
>>> Tagging is good in  GG (web version). Very helpful when you search 
>>> later. 
>>> Your major search tag should likely be " tables ".
>>>
>>> This gets it at the moment: GG search on author & subject 
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT 
>>>
>>> On Monday, 9 September 2019 21:01:41 UTC+2, Alan Aldrich wrote:

 Greetings All, I am a long time fan of TiddlyWiki but new to the 
 community. First and foremost, I would like to thank Jeremy for creating 
 TiddlyWiki and everyone who supports it. As a way to learn the ins and 
 outs 
 of TiddlyWiki I started a "table builder" plugin that I have been 
 gradually 
 improving in my spare time. I finally got around to finishing it up 
 recently and would like to share it with the community. 

 The ability for the entire wiki to import/export to/from a spreadsheet 
 is a fascinating feature of TiddlyWiki, and I wanted to build on that 
 strength by creating a simple way to query data in the wiki and display it 
 in a tabular way. I am calling it TiddlyTables. The following link 
 contains 
 installation instructions and examples:

 http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/

 There is also a "task manager" plugin that can be

[tw5] Re: Wikitext in $list widgets


>
> Mark S. This sort of unexpected thing is why I often end up using html to 
> format rather than wikitext.


I often think we need notes for "The Not So Well Documented". I often get 
tripped up by when to add newlines or not. I realised, far too slowly, its 
a contextual lottery.

Might be worth advising users on to add empty lines in testing creations 
that seem not to work?

TT 

Mark S. wrote:
>
> I think there was a change to how the list widget handles styles.  Put a 
> linebreak after the first <$list> widget and the ! format should work (it 
> did on mine).
>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> Here's the graphing plugin 
> https://gt6796c.github.io/


Excellent. Who made that? Any idea?

I am always amazed at the sheer scope of stuff made for TW I had NO idea 
existed!

TT  

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[tw5] Re: TW5.1.21: How to print one tiddler

2019-12-04 Thread Chuck R.

Got it, thanks. 

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 10:50:59 AM UTC-5, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>
> First view the desired tiddler, then use the "open in a new window" 
> command (by default, this command is in the tiddler's "more" menu dropdown) 
>
> Then, from the newly opened window, right click and choose "print" from 
> the browser's popup menu.
>
> that should do it.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Display content of Macro Tiddler

Tag the tiddler $:/tags/ViewTemplate.

Surprisingly, I don't this use is discussed directly on TiddlyWiki.com. 
It's a pretty important feature.

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 9:08:21 AM UTC-8, Torax Malu wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
>
> thanks for the post. Well, even if I am appears stupid - how I can create 
> a own ViewTemplate? Or is this documented anywhere?
>
> Thanks and cheers.
>
> Torax
>
> Am Mittwoch, 4. Dezember 2019 08:44:55 UTC+1 schrieb Mohammad:
>>
>> Yes,
>>  One solution is using Utility plugin
>>
>> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Utility/
>>
>>
>> The other is to write your own ViewTemplate as below
>>
>> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[$:/tags/Macro]]">
>> <$view/>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 11:10:57 AM UTC+3:30, Torax Malu wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>>
>>> I noticed several times while working with macro tiddler, that the 
>>> content is only displayed in edit mode. Is there an option / add-on, which 
>>> shows the macro itself instead of the interpreted result without switching 
>>> to edit mode?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> ToraxMalu
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Wikitext in $list widgets

I think there was a change to how the list widget handles styles.  Put a 
linebreak after the first <$list> widget and the ! format should work (it 
did on mine).

But now you might not like the additional space before and after the title. 
This sort of unexpected thing is why I often end up using html to format 
rather than wikitext.

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 12:25:07 AM UTC-8, Luis Gonzalez wrote:
>
> I saw some wikis (http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com, the "List Questions" 
> tiddler) with this code:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[Quiz]tags[]] -Quiz +[sort[title]]">
> *! <$view field="title"/>*
> <$list filter="[is[current]tagging[]] +[tag[Quiz]] +[sort[title]]">
> <$link><$view field="title"/>
> 
> 
>
> And it renders as wikitext with the title as Title1.
>
> But if I put this code in my wikis the wikitext is not preserved. I can't 
> find why...
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Display content of Macro Tiddler

2019-12-04 Thread 'Torax Malu' via TiddlyWiki

Hi Mohammad,

thanks for the post. Well, even if I am appears stupid - how I can create a 
own ViewTemplate? Or is this documented anywhere?

Thanks and cheers.

Torax

Am Mittwoch, 4. Dezember 2019 08:44:55 UTC+1 schrieb Mohammad:
>
> Yes,
>  One solution is using Utility plugin
>
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Utility/
>
>
> The other is to write your own ViewTemplate as below
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[$:/tags/Macro]]">
> <$view/>
> 
>
>
> Good luck
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 11:10:57 AM UTC+3:30, Torax Malu wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>>
>> I noticed several times while working with macro tiddler, that the 
>> content is only displayed in edit mode. Is there an option / add-on, which 
>> shows the macro itself instead of the interpreted result without switching 
>> to edit mode?
>>
>>
>> Thanks and cheers
>>
>>
>> ToraxMalu
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

2019-12-04 Thread Ste Wilson

Here's the graphing plugin 
https://gt6796c.github.io/

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Introducing TiddlyTables a plugin for creating sortable tables.

Hi Alen,

 In the code

<$reveal class="tbl-delete-confirm" type="match" 
state="$:/temp/tables/delete-all!!text" text=<> tag="div">
Delete all displayed records? 
<$button class="tc-btn-invisible">
  <$list filter=<> variable="currentRecord">
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $index=<
> $value=""/>
<$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<>/>
 <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/tables/delete-all"/>
  
  {{$:/core/images/delete-button}} ''yes'' 
 or 
<$button class="tc-btn-invisible">
  <$list filter=<> variable="currentRecord">
<$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/tables/delete-all"/>
  
  {{$:/core/images/close-button}} ''no'' 

  

Why you put highlighted command inside $list widget?


-Mohammad

On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 3:32:19 AM UTC+3:30, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>
> All,
> I updated TiddlyTables with an enhancement I hope you enjoy - *read/edit 
> mode toggle for all columns*. 
> http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/
> Victor's request got me thinking this should be a standard feature. There 
> is a new option under "Editor/Mode" in the edit menu called "Mode". This 
> dropdown is linked to the field "tbl-mode" of a table. When set to "edit" 
> it causes all fields to use the edit template. Some columns like title, 
> modified and created are excluded. I plan to document this feature in more 
> detail soon. Please give it a try and let me know what you think. 
> Additionally, I corrected an issue with the delete column. It should work 
> better now.
>
> Mohammad,
> I would like to eventually get TiddlyTables and maybe the Task Manager 
> into the plugin directory. Both plugins are still in beta as I wanted to 
> get feedback from the community before rolling to v1.0. The Task Manager 
> could be refined a bit more and I would like to develop a little more 
> documentation for it and TiddlyTables before I promote them too much. I 
> would love to get more technical feedback on the code in case there are 
> some optimizations that can be made. I may need to post something on 
> TiddlyWikiDev for that. In any case, I think the next big milestone is the 
> 1.0 stable release. I want to make sure there aren't any missing use cases, 
> documentation is adequate, and of course no bugs. Thank you for your 
> feedback so far and thanks in advance for any future testing/feedback.
>
> TT,
> Not sure what z_tag was but I removed it.
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 8:14:37 AM UTC-6, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Why has this thread got a tag " z_tag " 
>> ? What is that 
>> about?
>>
>> I added a " tables " tag to the thread.
>>
>> Tagging is good in  GG (web version). Very helpful when you search later. 
>> Your major search tag should likely be " tables ".
>>
>> This gets it at the moment: GG search on author & subject 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT 
>>
>> On Monday, 9 September 2019 21:01:41 UTC+2, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings All, I am a long time fan of TiddlyWiki but new to the 
>>> community. First and foremost, I would like to thank Jeremy for creating 
>>> TiddlyWiki and everyone who supports it. As a way to learn the ins and outs 
>>> of TiddlyWiki I started a "table builder" plugin that I have been gradually 
>>> improving in my spare time. I finally got around to finishing it up 
>>> recently and would like to share it with the community. 
>>>
>>> The ability for the entire wiki to import/export to/from a spreadsheet 
>>> is a fascinating feature of TiddlyWiki, and I wanted to build on that 
>>> strength by creating a simple way to query data in the wiki and display it 
>>> in a tabular way. I am calling it TiddlyTables. The following link contains 
>>> installation instructions and examples:
>>>
>>> http://tiddlytables.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> There is also a "task manager" plugin that can be downloaded. Its 
>>> primary purpose is to demonstrate the features of TiddlyTables. I look 
>>> forward to hearing from you. I will do my best to answer questions and I 
>>> appreciate any feedback. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alan Aldrich
>>>
>>

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[tw5] drag list re-order: get dropped item?

2019-12-04 Thread Dave

If I have a list of tiddlers based on a draggable list, represented by the 
field "list" in that tiddler like this

<>


Is there a way to upon dropping the tiddler in the new position, get the 
tiddler title into a separate field, or better yet trigger another action 
upon the drop?


use case:  The list is originally generated by the sort order of each 
tiddlers field "priority".  What I want to do is either 

A) have the priority field of that tiddler change to one less than the 
tiddler it was dropped above

or

B) have the drop action trigger a separate macro to run which can pick out 
the priority of the dropped tiddler, and re-jigger all the priorities of 
all the tiddlers below it


Thanks,
- Dave

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyClip latest?

I have 0.0.7-alpha on a 5.1.21 wiki. I don't think it's been updated for a 
long time, but it keeps on ticking.

On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 10:33:29 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> For some time I did not need to use tiddlyclip, but always knew it was 
> there. I have returned to use it again.
>
> Can anyone tell be which is the latest source for the plugin and which 
> Browser(s) they have it running on?
>
> FYI: I am finding the Google Group mail Archive a useful way to browse a 
> thread, and want to use TiddlyClip to capture content to build a thread 
> summary. 
>
> Regards
> Tony
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

Unless my computer has discovered time travel, there is no way the file on 
disk is 6 hours newer.

I load.
I save once.
I do things in the TW
I save again ... and get the error.

So unless the file was saved with a timestamp 6 hours in the future, it 
should be several minutes *older* than the browser version at the time of 
the save.

I'm using 5.1.21

I'm wondering why it checks the time at all. Unless I do something crazy 
like manually copy a different version to the directory, the browser 
version should be "king".

Perhaps checking the date slows things down. It's noticeably slower saving 
a single-file wiki with TS than with BobSaver or file-backups.

Thanks!

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:19:38 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> In this particular case, the file on disk is 6 hours newer than the copy 
> the browser downloaded. I have not used this feature of TiddlyServer much 
> so perhaps I should take a look at it again, but nothing changed since I 
> made it that I know of. I did run into a scenario where the etag was 
> changing by a second or two, so I added the putsaver.etagAge option to set 
> the window within which to ignore it. I will check the code to make sure 
> everything looks good on my end. What version of TiddlyWiki is the file?
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:53 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I get "changed on server" messages regularly.  Often on the second time I 
>> attempt to save. Talking single files.
>> This didn't happen with the old (1.??) version. It's made it pretty hard 
>> to use, since every time it happens I
>> have to do a "rescue" of the changed tiddlers. If it just ignored the 
>> non-existent changes on disk and saved
>> it would be fine. Output below.
>>
>> 412 ifmatch "0-5124547-1575414313000"
>> 412 etag "0-5124547-1575434388000"
>> 412 caused by difference in modified
>> [2019-12-03T20:46:07.125-0800] PUT 127.0.0.1   412 127.0.0.1 
>> /TW2014/T
>> o.html   42.922 ms - -
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Just thought I'd take a minute to chime in here. I made TiddlyServer to 
>>> solve my own problem of Massive Multi-file Online wikis. It serves the 
>>> folders you specify in a sort of tree allowing them to be grouped together 
>>> and easily navigated with the built-in directory index (even the virtual 
>>> directories or "groups"). When a data folder is accessed, TiddlyServer 
>>> automatically fires up a node instance of the TiddlyWiki 
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Filter operators: THEN ELSE ~(ELSE)

Could you give a concrete example? Just asking for a friend :-)

On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:49:18 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
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> Hi, 
>
> then and else are used in a filter run. ~ starts a new run. 
>
> See the docs list 
> 
> .
>
> -m
>
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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

Ciao Eric

Totally agree. But your approach was a slightly different than what is now 
called an "Edition" in TW5?

TW5 "Editions" give you a starting place that is good, but they are not yet 
full "packages". They are bare bones.

I was just wondering about making "slightly fatter cats" --- i.e. essential 
plugin(s) PLUS some kind of explanation on component usage, a few macros, 
bit of styling etc.

Just thoughts
Josiah

On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 13:36:38 UTC+1, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> Back in the TWClassic days, I created a whole set of "QuickStart" 
> documents that were pre-loaded and configured with selected subsets of 
> TiddlyTools plugins.
>
> Some of the QuickStart docs were:
>
> * basics - a general-purpose starter set (including Navigation, Display, 
> Editing, FileIO, Configuration, Formatting and more)
>
> * silkTW - the Silk Icon Collection (1000 16x16 .png icons, encoded and 
> stored as tiddlers using AttachFilePlugin)
>
> * insideTW - a viewer for TWClassic core files, and internal functions, 
> objects, and page elements
>
> * importexport - ImportTiddlersPlugin, ExportTiddlersPlugin and 
> AttachFilePlugin
>
> * TiddlyBlog - a general blogging environment (Journals, Stories, FAQs and 
> Bookmarks)
>
> * TiddlyBard - a theatrical script reader with search and annotation 
> functions (pre-loaded with 10 Shakespeare plays and ALL 153 Sonnets)
>
> * Moveable - MoveablePanelPlugin: "free-range" tiddlers with room to 
> roam..." (undock and drag to position all TW page elements on an infinite 
> surface)
>
> If I get some free time, I might just re-upload those files to the newly 
> re-hosted www.TiddlyTools.com.  Of course, they are all based on older 
> versions of TWClassic, but they might just spark some ideas for people to 
> create new TW5-based "editions".
>

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[tw5] Re: TW5.1.21: How to print one tiddler

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:20:37 AM UTC-8, Chuck R. wrote:
>
> Now I have a newer version of TW, is there a way, or an addon, to easily 
> print one tiddler from a TW file stored on Tiddlyspot.com? 
>

First view the desired tiddler, then use the "open in a new window" command 
(by default, this command is in the tiddler's "more" menu dropdown) 

Then, from the newly opened window, right click and choose "print" from the 
browser's popup menu.

that should do it.

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[tw5] Re: Filter operators: THEN ELSE ~(ELSE)

2019-12-04 Thread PMario

Hi, 

then and else are used in a filter run. ~ starts a new run. 

See the docs list 

.

-m

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[tw5] Re: Filter operators: THEN ELSE ~(ELSE)

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 6:51:20 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> I am wondering how to use filter operator THEN, ELSE and ~(else)
> Why the below fails
> <$list filter="[thenelse]>
>

not sure.  gotta think about this a bit... 

What is the difference between else and ~?
> <$list filter="[else]">
> and 
> <$list filter="[[] ~[]]">
>
 
The big difference here is that else[...] can only substitute a single 
value, while ~[...] can be a complex filter expression

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[tw5] TW5.1.21: How to print one tiddler

2019-12-04 Thread Chuck R.

Now I have a newer version of TW, is there a way, or an addon, to easily 
print one tiddler from a TW file stored on Tiddlyspot.com? 

I've been searching around for info on this and have not found anything yet.

Thank you.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

2019-12-04 Thread Arlen Beiler

In this particular case, the file on disk is 6 hours newer than the copy
the browser downloaded. I have not used this feature of TiddlyServer much
so perhaps I should take a look at it again, but nothing changed since I
made it that I know of. I did run into a scenario where the etag was
changing by a second or two, so I added the putsaver.etagAge option to set
the window within which to ignore it. I will check the code to make sure
everything looks good on my end. What version of TiddlyWiki is the file?

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:53 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I get "changed on server" messages regularly.  Often on the second time I
> attempt to save. Talking single files.
> This didn't happen with the old (1.??) version. It's made it pretty hard
> to use, since every time it happens I
> have to do a "rescue" of the changed tiddlers. If it just ignored the
> non-existent changes on disk and saved
> it would be fine. Output below.
>
> 412 ifmatch "0-5124547-1575414313000"
> 412 etag "0-5124547-1575434388000"
> 412 caused by difference in modified
> [2019-12-03T20:46:07.125-0800] PUT 127.0.0.1   412 127.0.0.1
> /TW2014/T
> o.html   42.922 ms - -
>
> Thanks!
>
> Just thought I'd take a minute to chime in here. I made TiddlyServer to
>> solve my own problem of Massive Multi-file Online wikis. It serves the
>> folders you specify in a sort of tree allowing them to be grouped together
>> and easily navigated with the built-in directory index (even the virtual
>> directories or "groups"). When a data folder is accessed, TiddlyServer
>> automatically fires up a node instance of the TiddlyWiki
>>
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Re: [tw5] bibtex plugin

Hi PiT,
Could you please send a sample .bib which cause such problem!

--Mohammad

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 2:44:53 PM UTC+3:30, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>
> Hi there!
>
> I just wanted to post a big *THANK YOU* to both of you for what you're 
> achieving there.
>
> I mean, of course, Jeremy, TiddlyWiki, non-linear writing and all of this. 
> But also Mohammad with your recent Refnotes plugin! I see clearly what 
> you've done there... :)
>
> It is just so amazing and at the same time not so much well-known, and it 
> should really be!
>
> Now I'm speaking as a PhD student, and I wanted to point that I'm very 
> interested by any new dev around this.
>
> I'm having difficulties for now with import of .bib, because I have a lot 
> of noisy "{Some Ref Title Example}" around titles or characters which are 
> not parsed like: {\'{e}} for *é* ; {\^{o}} for *ô ; *etc.
> Also, using Mendeley, I would have liked something to convert 
> automatically from copying a BibTeX entry (plain text copy from Mendeley) 
> to pasting into TiddlyWiki. But I think this is kinda what's discussed in 
> the background here, isn't it?
>
> I think I've understood that something may be happening between :
>
>1. the BibTeX importer plugin : $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/bibtex
>2. the Text-Slicer plugin : 
>https://tiddlywiki.com/editions/text-slicer/
>3. Refnotes plugin : https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/
>
>
> I'll be following up,
> Thanks again, and keep up that good work!
>
> Best,
>
> PiT
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Select among three tiddlers with priority

Yep, this is a smart solution and more semantic than my solution!
Thanks Xavier!

--Mohammad

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 1:12:22 PM UTC+3:30, Xavier wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
>
> For your use case, here is a typical use of the ~ operator (aka "else") on 
> filter runs :
>
> <$list variable=template filter="[tag[a]] ~[tag[b]] ~[[tid3]]">
> <$transclude mode=block tiddler=<> />
> 
>
> Best regards,
> Xavier.
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 8:02 AM Mohammad  > wrote:
>
>> Yes, seems your solution also works!
>>
>> I am trying to use this for tiddler overloading like the one is found for 
>> shadow tiddlers!
>>
>> So, tid2 is required to overload if tid1 exist! If none exist TW should 
>> use a default tiddler called tid3 here!
>>
>>
>> One use case:
>>
>>
>>1. Display a tiddler using template tid2 (the one tagged with b)
>>2. If user supplied its own template use user template here is tid1 
>>(the one tagged with a)
>>3. If not supplied tid1 nor tid2 use a default template called tid3
>>
>>
>>
>> --Mohammad 
>>
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[tw5] Filter operators: THEN ELSE ~(ELSE)

I am wondering how to use filter operator THEN, ELSE and ~(else)

Why the below fials

<$list filter="[thenelse]>





What is the difference between else and ~?

<$list filter="[else]">





and 

<$list filter="[[] ~[]]">





--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: How to link to images and audio files on Android

@Hubert @Raymond

What versions of Android are you each using?

Android is progressively making it harder to share files in the old 
fashioned way. Depending where your tw file is located, you may not be able 
to access subdirectories.

For the browser, if your starting directory is the downloads directory, or 
a sub-directory of the downloads directory, then you should be able to 
access an image directory below that.

Good luck!

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 1:15:33 AM UTC-8, Hubert wrote:
>
> It looks that for some unexplained and mysterious reasons relative paths 
> are not interpreted correctly on your Android device.
>
> It looks that your image access path is:
>
> On Android
> *content://0@media/external/file/*images/smudge.jpg
>
> On Windows
> *file:///X:/file/*images/smudge.jpg
> (where X is your drive letter)
>
> You might want to solve this by putting the underlined portion of the full 
> path into, well, a variable that is dynamically set at startup (that's what 
> I do to create full URLs no matter what devices or OSs I'm on). But I feel 
> this could be a bit overkill in your case and an unnecessary solution to a 
> problem that's probably caused by something that may have been overlooked 
> elsewhere.
>
> Again, I'm able to seamlessly use my responsive TW on Android, Windows and 
> ChromeOS with references to files and images and don't experience (nor, 
> would I expect to experience) the issues you're describing. It is very 
> difficult to understand what the root cause of the problem could be, short 
> of suspecting you're using a heavily customised version of Android.
>
> My apologies, but I'm unable to give you any valuable advice (without 
> looking at your device).
>
> Regards,
> Hubert
>
> On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 08:01:42 UTC, Raymond McDowell wrote:
>>
>> Once again, thanks for your suggestions but it still doesn't work on any 
>> of my android devices. I thought perhaps it was because of my browser and 
>> attempted to use the Samsung browser, then Chrome but when the img command 
>> still didn't work and the ext command showed the following address
>>
>> content://0@media/external/file/images/smudge.jpg
>>
>> something is happening I don't understand.
>>
>> I dug out a windows laptop and, using the same file configuration, 
>> everything worked fine just as you noted, but back on my android I am still 
>> flummoxed. 
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Inclusion of Whole MP3 Files

All those are a nice Scottish reel ... :-)

On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 13:07:32 UTC+1, Luis Gonzalez wrote:
>
> I don't like to include big files inside the Tiddlywiki, so I create a 
> directory for all mp3 tracks. Then you have many ways of create the 
> tiddlers. I add an example.
>

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Re: [tw5] To Google Group Owner - Jeremy?

2019-12-04 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Tony

I had a quick look at what Google mean by a “Collaborative Inbox”: it’s for 
customer support agents to assign messages to specific handlers for response, 
and for keeping track of those responses.

Changing the nature of our primary discussion forum would be a massive change 
to make, and so you should expect that a good deal of discussion would be 
needed so that everyone else buys into the change. Requesting such a huge 
change without any background explanation is never going to succeed

In this case, I can’t see that the change would suit us. This is a flexible 
discussion forum/mailing list, not a simple Q ticketing system. Even if we 
did want a Q system, we’d surely go with something like Stack Overflow (which 
obviously doesn’t support assigning questions to be answered by specific 
individuals).

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 4 Dec 2019, at 11:33, TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
> 
> Ciao TonyM
> 
> What would the purpose of this proposed change be?
> 
> Best wishes
> TT
> 
> On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 01:16:55 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
> Is it possible for your to review the google Group Settings and consider 
> setting TiddlyWiki to a Collaborative inbox.
> 
> If possible on a Non Google Suit Group -
> https://support.google.com/a/answer/167430?hl=en 
> 
> More commentary about this can be found on net
> It may change the look of the forum a little but will make more features 
> available.
> 
> Make sure your group type is "Collaborative inbox." 
> 
> Sign in to Google Groups .
> Click My groups.
> Choose a group.
> Near the top right, click Manage group. 
> On the left, click Information  Advanced.
> Next to "Select a group type," click the Down arrow .
> Choose Collaborative inbox.
> Click Reset this group.
> In the box that pops up, click Reset group
> You may then want to add a few trusted people some extra moderation rights to 
> help develop out use of Google Groups.
> 
> Regards
> Tony
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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 2:59:47 AM UTC-8, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> What I was thinking (from end-user point of view) was rather than have to 
> "add" 
> all the parts needed you rather download a TW that is a  "package" of 
> ready integrated components
> (maybe with a custom "help" menu explaining the working of the components 
> that the "publisher" would add). 
> Important, would be a section that would let you "subtract" (i.e. delete) 
> components you won't need.
>
> In other words, rather than having to build from scratch, you have a 
> featured starting place.
>

Back in the TWClassic days, I created a whole set of "QuickStart" documents 
that were pre-loaded and configured with selected subsets of TiddlyTools 
plugins.

Some of the QuickStart docs were:

* basics - a general-purpose starter set (including Navigation, Display, 
Editing, FileIO, Configuration, Formatting and more)

* silkTW - the Silk Icon Collection (1000 16x16 .png icons, encoded and 
stored as tiddlers using AttachFilePlugin)

* insideTW - a viewer for TWClassic core files, and internal functions, 
objects, and page elements

* importexport - ImportTiddlersPlugin, ExportTiddlersPlugin and 
AttachFilePlugin

* TiddlyBlog - a general blogging environment (Journals, Stories, FAQs and 
Bookmarks)

* TiddlyBard - a theatrical script reader with search and annotation 
functions (pre-loaded with 10 Shakespeare plays and ALL 153 Sonnets)

* Moveable - MoveablePanelPlugin: "free-range" tiddlers with room to 
roam..." (undock and drag to position all TW page elements on an infinite 
surface)

If I get some free time, I might just re-upload those files to the newly 
re-hosted www.TiddlyTools.com.  Of course, they are all based on older 
versions of TWClassic, but they might just spark some ideas for people to 
create new TW5-based "editions".

enjoy,
-e


-e

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[tw5] Re: To Google Group Owner - Jeremy?

Ciao TonyM

What would the purpose of this proposed change be?

Best wishes
TT

On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 01:16:55 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Is it possible for your to review the google Group Settings and consider 
> setting TiddlyWiki to a Collaborative inbox.
>
> If possible on a Non Google Suit Group -
>
>- https://support.google.com/a/answer/167430?hl=en
>- More commentary about this can be found on net
>- It may change the look of the forum a little but will make more 
>features available.
>
>
> Make sure your group type is "Collaborative inbox." 
>
>1. Sign in to Google Groups .
>2. Click My groups.
>3. Choose a group.
>4. Near the top right, click Manage group. 
>5. On the left, click Information [image: and then] Advanced.
>6. Next to "Select a group type," click the Down arrow [image: Down 
>Arrow].
>7. Choose Collaborative inbox.
>8. Click Reset this group.
>9. In the box that pops up, click Reset group
>
> *You may then want to add a few trusted people some extra moderation 
> rights to help develop out use of Google Groups.*
>
> Regards
> Tony
>

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Re: [tw5] bibtex plugin

2019-12-04 Thread Sεяεηδι ριτ

Hi there!

I just wanted to post a big *THANK YOU* to both of you for what you're
achieving there.

I mean, of course, Jeremy, TiddlyWiki, non-linear writing and all of this.
But also Mohammad with your recent Refnotes plugin! I see clearly what
you've done there... :)

It is just so amazing and at the same time not so much well-known, and it
should really be!

Now I'm speaking as a PhD student, and I wanted to point that I'm very
interested by any new dev around this.

I'm having difficulties for now with import of .bib, because I have a lot
of noisy "{Some Ref Title Example}" around titles or characters which are
not parsed like: {\'{e}} for *é* ; {\^{o}} for *ô ; *etc.
Also, using Mendeley, I would have liked something to convert automatically
from copying a BibTeX entry (plain text copy from Mendeley) to pasting into
TiddlyWiki. But I think this is kinda what's discussed in the background
here, isn't it?

I think I've understood that something may be happening between :

1. the BibTeX importer plugin : $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/bibtex
2. the Text-Slicer plugin : https://tiddlywiki.com/editions/text-slicer/
3. Refnotes plugin : https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/

I'll keeping following,
Thanks again, and keep up that good work!

Best,

PiT

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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

Ste Wilson wrote:

> I've started... 

https://stephenteacher.glitch.me/

I'd say katex, simple graphing library, spreadsheet like formulas would be 
> a good place to start.

Jed Carty wrote:
>
> This is why I made the scatter plot and bar chart plugins, but we also 
> need something like a function plotter. I haven't had time to look into 
> that very much. https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/ScatterPlot/
> I have been doing a lot with d3 lately in my other work, I may be able to 
> port some of that into tiddlywiki for more advanced plotting.
>
> I would really like to make an interactive math textbook using tiddlywiki, 
> but so far I haven't had time to do anything significant with it.
>

Thanks for comments & examples! 

It seems pretty clear  a "rounded package" is getting quite close on needed 
components?

What I was thinking (from end-user point of view) was rather than have to 
"add" 
all the parts needed you rather download a TW that is a  "package" of ready 
integrated components
(maybe with a custom "help" menu explaining the working of the components 
that the "publisher" would add). 
Important, would be a section that would let you "subtract" (i.e. delete) 
components you won't need.

In other words, rather than having to build from scratch, you have a 
featured starting place.

Thoughts
TT

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler Date: Changing Format

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 12:47:13 AM UTC-8, Qalisto wrote:
>
> I seem to be unable to find the tutorial or info on how to change the date 
> format of a newly created Tiddler.
> (The date under the Title) The default gives me: "*4th December 2019 at 
> 8:40am*"
> I want: "*2019 12 04  0840 [UTC]*"
>

In $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle, you will find:
<$view field="modified" format="date" 
template={{$:/language/Tiddler/DateFormat}}/>

In $:/language/Tiddler/DateFormat, it says:
DDth MMM  at hh12:0mmam

You can change this to:
[UTC] 0MM 0DD 0hh0mm [UTC]

Note that the first "[UTC]" is a date formatting code that "time shifts" 
from local time to UTC, while the second "[UTC]" is simply literal 
character output.

see https://tiddlywiki.com/#DateFormat for all the possible date formatting 
codes

enjoy,
-e







 

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[tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

2019-12-04 Thread Victor Dorneanu

Buenos dias David,

that "social media share" button is also a nice hint. 

BR, 
Victor 

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 3:45:06 AM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> One thing I do to make it easier: I make the permalink button visible in 
> the view toolbar so I can grab a tiddler's permalink quickly and paste it 
> in links to the file#tiddler in other files. Since some of the files are 
> then uploaded for others, the button also serves as a "share on social 
> media" button. You can see it on a Spanish file I am working on here 
> http://giffmex.org/wiki/nt1.html
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 4:39:56 AM UTC-6, Victor Dorneanu wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone, 
>>
>> what I want to achieve is to have multiple wikis for each "area" of 
>> knowledge. Let's say:
>>
>>
>>- coding
>>- notes (from books, articles etc.)
>>- cooking recipes
>>- etc.
>>
>>
>> I like to manage my tiddlers at a single place, that means: Have 
>> everything inside a big (git) repository. However, when I want to 
>> share/publish my content I'd like to have multiple files for each knowledge 
>> area:
>>
>>
>>- coding.html (for coding)
>>   - everything that is tagged with "coding" or has "coding" as a 
>>   parent tag
>>   - notes.html (for notes)
>>   - everything that is tagged with "notes" or has "notes" as a 
>>   parent tag
>>- and so forth
>>
>>
>> For every published wiki I'd like to also have a different welcome page 
>> and perhaps different style (CSS) customizations. 
>>
>> I came across this Github issue thread 
>>  where Tobi Beer 
>> (awesome work BTW!) presented some dirty implementation 
>>  of a "monolithic" based 
>> multiple wiki approach. Without going into details of current discussion 
>> regarding that topic: What would be the most easiest way to achieve what 
>> I've described before?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>> Greetings, 
>> Victor 
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Best approach for multiple wikis

2019-12-04 Thread Victor Dorneanu

Wow! This is (almost) exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for sharing 
and for your efforts bringing down your ideas and concepts to code. 

I'll definitely give it a try. 

Cheers, 
Victor 

On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 9:00:43 PM UTC+1, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd take a minute to chime in here. I made TiddlyServer to 
> solve my own problem of Massive Multi-file Online wikis. It serves the 
> folders you specify in a sort of tree allowing them to be grouped together 
> and easily navigated with the built-in directory index (even the virtual 
> directories or "groups"). When a data folder is accessed, TiddlyServer 
> automatically fires up a node instance of the TiddlyWiki listen command and 
> mounts it at that path, meaning it forwards all requests to the data folder 
> Node server instance. This makes it work identical to the TiddlyWiki listen 
> command for most normal uses of the listen command, except you can access 
> multiple data folders on the same server. Single file wikis (TW 5.1.15 and 
> newer) have a saver already built into them which TiddlyServer uses to save 
> single file wikis. Single file wikis can be backed up automatically on 
> every save, but data folders are on their own by design. I recommend 
> using Git or Dropbox for that. 
>
> There are a bunch of advanced options and even authentication, but the 
> basics are enough for most people. 
>
> It's pretty simple to use but I often notice people having trouble getting 
> it installed, so I thought I'd throw in some install instructions I wrote 
> some time ago. 
>
> It's fine to just use master (well, aka v2.1 right now) right now: 
> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer -- Click the green "Clone or 
> Download" button then select your preferred download method. Cloning the 
> repo is an easy way to get updates but downloading is fine too. 
>
> Extract it to an empty folder so you don't risk merging with an existing 
> folder. Once you extract it you can move it wherever you want it to be. 
>
> https://nodejs.org/en/
>
> Go to NodeJS.org and download the LTS version of Node, which currently is 
> 10.x, and install it on the computer you will be running TiddlyServer on. 
> It's pretty straightforward, and the default options should work fine. 
>
> You don't actually need to install the whole thing, you can also just 
> download a zip file and extract node.exe into the TiddlyServer folder to 
> make a portable install. Since you're working with IIS I'm sure you have 
> enough computer experience know what I'm talking about, but if I'm not 
> making myself clear, just install NodeJS like I described above. 
>
> Now, here's the part that most people find tricky. Copy 
> example-settings-quick.json and name it settings.json. That's the simplest 
> setup. You can change the tree property to change what folders get served, 
> but all html files and data folders inside it should just work out of the 
> box. 
>
> The entire documentation for the settings.json file is at 
> https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlyserver/docs/serverconfig.html and the 
> tree property is the first item on the page. Here's a really simple example 
> to get you started. 
>
> "tree": {
> "myfolder": "../personal",
> "workstuff": "../work",
> "user": "~/Desktop/random",
> "projects_group": {
> "tiddlyserver": "~/Desktop/Github/TiddlyServer",
> "material-theme": "~/Dropbox/Material Theme"
> }
> }
>
>
> And that's all there is to it. Once you have your settings.json file 
> setup, just run "node server.js" to start the server. TiddlyServer expects 
> to find the settings.json file in the same directory (which is where I have 
> mine, which is why it's in .gitignore!).
>
> I made TiddlyServer simple because I want it to be simple for me to use 
> every day :) 
>
> Hope that helps 
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:02 AM Victor Dorneanu  > wrote:
>
>> Hi TT,
>>
>> it's not really related to Github. I just use to store/backup my 
>> tiddlers. The backend storage is actually quite irrelevant. I just need 
>> some "best practices" / workflows that individuals have established over 
>> time in order to manage multiple wikis. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>> Victor
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 12:26:32 PM UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Victor
>>>
>>> As far as I understand GitHub it can be used (with various sub-tools) to 
>>> create workflows of complexity & sophistication.
>>>
>>> I don't have the knowledge to advise on particulars. 
>>>
>>> But I think this may be more a question for asking on GitHub itself?
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
>>> On Monday, 2 December 2019 11:39:56 UTC+1, Victor Dorneanu wrote:

 Hi everyone, 

 what I want to achieve is to have multiple wikis for each "area" of 
 knowledge. Let's say:


- coding
- notes (from books, articles etc.)
- cooking recipes
- etc.


 I like to manage my tiddlers at a single place, that means: Have 
 everything inside a big

Re: [tw5] Re: Select among three tiddlers with priority

2019-12-04 Thread Xavier Cazin

Hi Mohammad,

For your use case, here is a typical use of the ~ operator (aka "else") on
filter runs :

<$list variable=template filter="[tag[a]] ~[tag[b]] ~[[tid3]]">
<$transclude mode=block tiddler=<> />


Best regards,
Xavier.

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 8:02 AM Mohammad  wrote:

> Yes, seems your solution also works!
>
> I am trying to use this for tiddler overloading like the one is found for
> shadow tiddlers!
>
> So, tid2 is required to overload if tid1 exist! If none exist TW should
> use a default tiddler called tid3 here!
>
>
> One use case:
>
>
>1. Display a tiddler using template tid2 (the one tagged with b)
>2. If user supplied its own template use user template here is tid1
>(the one tagged with a)
>3. If not supplied tid1 nor tid2 use a default template called tid3
>
>
>
> --Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: How to link to images and audio files on Android

2019-12-04 Thread Hubert

It looks that for some unexplained and mysterious reasons relative paths 
are not interpreted correctly on your Android device.

It looks that your image access path is:

On Android
*content://0@media/external/file/*images/smudge.jpg

On Windows
*file:///X:/file/*images/smudge.jpg
(where X is your drive letter)

You might want to solve this by putting the underlined portion of the full 
path into, well, a variable that is dynamically set at startup (that's what 
I do to create full URLs no matter what devices or OSs I'm on). But I feel 
this could be a bit overkill in your case and an unnecessary solution to a 
problem that's probably caused by something that may have been overlooked 
elsewhere.

Again, I'm able to seamlessly use my responsive TW on Android, Windows and 
ChromeOS with references to files and images and don't experience (nor, 
would I expect to experience) the issues you're describing. It is very 
difficult to understand what the root cause of the problem could be, short 
of suspecting you're using a heavily customised version of Android.

My apologies, but I'm unable to give you any valuable advice (without 
looking at your device).

Regards,
Hubert

On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 08:01:42 UTC, Raymond McDowell wrote:
>
> Once again, thanks for your suggestions but it still doesn't work on any 
> of my android devices. I thought perhaps it was because of my browser and 
> attempted to use the Samsung browser, then Chrome but when the img command 
> still didn't work and the ext command showed the following address
>
> content://0@media/external/file/images/smudge.jpg
>
> something is happening I don't understand.
>
> I dug out a windows laptop and, using the same file configuration, 
> everything worked fine just as you noted, but back on my android I am still 
> flummoxed. 
>
>

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[tw5] Inclusion of Whole MP3 Files

2019-12-04 Thread Qalisto

... in the single-file format

Are there any caveats or "best practices" when inclusion of audio files of 
over 2mb?

Please kindly advise.

=== > Q < ===

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[tw5] Re: Lego Kit: for MATHEMATICIANS? Thoughts?

2019-12-04 Thread Jed Carty

This is why I made the scatter plot and bar chart plugins, but we also need 
something like a function plotter. I haven't had time to look into that 
very much. https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/ScatterPlot/
I have been doing a lot with d3 lately in my other work, I may be able to 
port some of that into tiddlywiki for more advanced plotting.

I would really like to make an interactive math textbook using tiddlywiki, 
but so far I haven't had time to do anything significant with it.

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[tw5] Tiddler Date: Changing Format

2019-12-04 Thread Qalisto

I seem to be unable to find the tutorial or info on how to change the date 
format of a newly created Tiddler.

(The date under the Title)

The default gives me:

"*4th December 2019 at 8:40am*"

I want:

"*2019 12 04  0840 [UTC]*"

OK, maybe TW5 does not support the timezone designation, but just to fix 
the date / hour would be great!

Where is the Shadow Tiddler or the "Macro" which controls this formatting?

*Thank you and best regards!*

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[tw5] TiddlyMaps Ninja Request

2019-12-04 Thread Qalisto

If there is anyone out there who really knows *TMaps*, would appreciate a 
direct email.

Am trying to troubleshoot some things.

Thx,

=== > Q < ===

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[tw5] Wikitext in $list widgets

2019-12-04 Thread Luis Gonzalez

I saw some wikis (http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com, the "List Questions" 
tiddler) with this code:

<$list filter="[tag[Quiz]tags[]] -Quiz +[sort[title]]">
*! <$view field="title"/>*
<$list filter="[is[current]tagging[]] +[tag[Quiz]] +[sort[title]]">
<$link><$view field="title"/>



And it renders as wikitext with the title as Title1.

But if I put this code in my wikis the wikitext is not preserved. I can't 
find why...


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[tw5] Re: Select among three tiddlers with priority