[tw5] Re: Implications of "Tag Pollution"

2021-07-14 Thread
Hi all, *> Long drop-downs because of many tags when tagging force you to remember part of the tag name at least and browsing is made complex.* Long drop-drowns are quite the bother. Displaying them over several columns beyond a certain number would be a starter I guess. Moving away from TW

[tw5] Re: Code Patterns: A Tag Selector Gadget

2021-07-14 Thread Charlie Veniot
Well, choice of filtering mechanism to reduce the number tags, that's kind of hard to setup in a way that suits everybody. Probably best to let each individual customize this basic code with the kind of filters (cosmetics, etc.) that work for her/him. I did the parts that were fun to do on my

[tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams

2021-07-14 Thread Keelan Cook
@Saq, I'm happy to contribute toward both of those ends you have mentioned. Do let me know what else I should add to my description of my workflow with Streams and TW, and I can fill in those blanks. I'd be happy to write up something more thorough or brief, if that was of benefit. I'm also

[tw5] Re: Code Patterns: A Tag Selector Gadget

2021-07-14 Thread TW Tones
Charlie, I like the idea here. To me however the strength would be in providing a filter to the tag selection. Perhaps have a set. for example if tagged todo provide a drop down of status tags. This would simplify wiki with a lot of tags as discussed here

[tw5] Re: Implications of "Tag Pollution"

2021-07-14 Thread TW Tones
Folks, Good to see this conversation continue; Tags are beautiful and easy to adopt and should remain free and unconstrained, however as they build in number they can get messy and complex. To me the main issue with tag pollution is "user management" but also its the wrong solution and

[tw5] Re: Thinking through a plugin and the excise dropdown

2021-07-14 Thread TW Tones
David, Surely the best way is to clone the excise toolbar button and add your variation to it. Then in the editor toolbar buttons settings they can choose if your or the default excise is visible or hidden behind the more drop down. This way you will not be modifying any core code. I have

[tw5] Re: Code Patterns: A Tag Selector Gadget

2021-07-14 Thread Charlie Veniot
Yeah, I never make pretty until general concept is iron-clad, and only if it is worth it (i.e. if nobody likes the general approach, why would I waste my time with prettiness? I'm quirky that way ...) On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 7:51:03 PM UTC-3 miket...@gmail.com wrote: > Very good! We

[tw5] Re: Code Patterns: A Tag Selector Gadget

2021-07-14 Thread Mike Andyl
Very good! We need to test it. But for the button it is better to use the standard code for checking the text and icon options, otherwise it looks very strange so far! https://i.imgur.com/sQjbYob.jpg <$button tooltip="" aria-label="" class=<>> *<$list filter="[match[yes]]">*

Re: [tw5] An interactive questionnaire in TiddlyWiki

2021-07-14 Thread Joshua Fontany
Wow, that is an impressive set of new tools/techniques and a good cause. Thanks for sharing! Best, Joshua F On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 4:37:19 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks Tones! > > > On 14 Jul 2021, at 12:30, TW Tones wrote: > > Did you take any steps to insert page

[tw5] Re: How to make a more convenient method for selecting tags?

2021-07-14 Thread Mike Andyl
Cool! Thank you! To avoid conflict with MenuBar (z 850), it is better to set slightly smaller. среда, 14 июля 2021 г. в 18:34:58 UTC+3, Brian Radspinner: > Put the following code in your stylesheet: > > *.tc-tiddler-edit-frame { z-index: 1000 !important; }* > > When a tiddler goes in draft

Re: [tw5] Re: Just the UI of tiddlywiki

2021-07-14 Thread PMario
On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 8:10:00 PM UTC+2 somen...@gmail.com wrote: > Mario, yes I know that tiddlywiki is a html javascript engine. > But I want something in the background, for example for managing > multiaccess and multiedit of same tiddler. I think it could be done with > backend. >

Re: [tw5] New JSON Store Area Now in v5.2.0 Prerelease

2021-07-14 Thread Jeremy Ruston
A key area for testing is any process that reads or writes a TiddlyWiki HTML file. With savers, that means testing that saving a wiki and reloading the changes works as expected, including with tiddlers that have emojis in fieldnames. With syncers, that means testing that changes get synced to

Re: [tw5] New JSON Store Area Now in v5.2.0 Prerelease

2021-07-14 Thread Mohammad Rahmani
Thank you both for your clarification! I did take some backups! This is a crazy test and it works. Windows 10 User: use windows key + ; to see emojis [image: image.png] Best wishes Mohammad On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:30 PM Jeremy Ruston wrote: > Hi Mohammad, Mario, > > Thank you for all

Re: [tw5] Re: Just the UI of tiddlywiki

2021-07-14 Thread Xavier
Mario, yes I know that tiddlywiki is a html javascript engine. But I want something in the background, for example for managing multiaccess and multiedit of same tiddler. I think it could be done with backend. Mario, which shadow tiddler controls the pop up behaviour? Thanks, Missatge de PMario

Re: [tw5] New JSON Store Area Now in v5.2.0 Prerelease

2021-07-14 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mohammad, Mario, >> Thank you for all your efforts. Does this testing include single file save >> with tools like Timimi? > > It's related to single file wiki actions and especially 3rd party plugins. So > it should be tested with real-world wikis. BUT > > MAKE BACKUPS and don't use your

[tw5] Re: How to make a more convenient method for selecting tags?

2021-07-14 Thread Charlie Veniot
G'day Mike, I was in a coding mood this morning. Just in case it is useful to you, check out (I started a different thread in case their are questions/ideas/comments) Code Patterns: A Tag Selector Gadget . If that's of any interest of

[tw5] Re: How to make a more convenient method for selecting tags?

2021-07-14 Thread Charlie Veniot
G'day Mike, I was in a coding mood this morning. So for fun: In case of any use to you, check this out and see what you think: Code Patterns: A Tag Selector Gadget Cheers ! On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 6:10:15 PM UTC-3 miket...@gmail.com

[tw5] Re: Implications of "Tag Pollution"

2021-07-14 Thread TiddlyTweeter
I don't think this is a "tag problem". It is a more routine issue: "How do I carve the Universe" :-) This is not about systems. It is about thinking. At root, I believe :-). We tend to focus here on gizmode-ology :-) But actually a lot of the issues are really about conceptualization of one's

[tw5] Re: Implications of "Tag Pollution"

2021-07-14 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
In my case, a TW with only 30k entries slowed to a crawl when using the tag filter. This was AFTER indexing had been added. Most of the tiddlers in the TW had the same tag. My workaround was to change my filters to use search filter instead of tag filter. As best as I understand it, the

Re: [tw5] New JSON Store Area Now in v5.2.0 Prerelease

2021-07-14 Thread PMario
On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 6:59:04 PM UTC+2 Mohammad wrote: Thank you for all your efforts. Does this testing include single file save > with tools like Timimi? > It's related to single file wiki actions and especially 3rd party plugins. So it should be tested with real-world wikis. BUT

Re: [tw5] New JSON Store Area Now in v5.2.0 Prerelease

2021-07-14 Thread Mohammad Rahmani
Hi Jeremy, Thank you for all your efforts. Does this testing include single file save with tools like Timimi? Or is this more related to server backends? I noticed I have to update the Tiddler Commander plugin, as it forces users to use lowercase names for field names and remove all nasty

[tw5] Re: Implications of "Tag Pollution"

2021-07-14 Thread PMario
On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 5:29:38 PM UTC+2 Stobot wrote: I agree with most of the points of where fields are more useful than tags > as you get deeper and deeper into organization, and the methods make sense, > but often there's talk about a performance implication that I don't >

[tw5] Re: Implications of "Tag Pollution"

2021-07-14 Thread David Gifford
I am no expert. But my experience has been that when I have used large numbers of tags the performance slows. Here are two of my projects that have some slow down: 1. https://giffmex.org/gospels.bubbles.html (1600 tiddlers, 1155 tags) very slow. I gave up on finishing it because to add tags

[tw5] Re: How to make a more convenient method for selecting tags?

2021-07-14 Thread Brian Radspinner
Put the following code in your stylesheet: *.tc-tiddler-edit-frame { z-index: 1000 !important; }* When a tiddler goes in draft mode, it will have this class automatically included. Putting the edit-frame to a z-index of 1000 should keep it above any other tiddlers in view mode with z-indexes

[tw5] Implications of "Tag Pollution"

2021-07-14 Thread Stobot
I've seen this come up from time to time on the forums - and Tones mentioned it recently How to make a more convenient method for selecting tags? (google.com) I agree with most of the points of where fields are more useful

[tw5] Group Admin Question: cross-linking conversations

2021-07-14 Thread Charlie Veniot
G'day, In one conversation, I added a post with a link to another thread of conversation I started. I figured instead of potentially clogging up the original thread of conversation, better to start a different thread, and cross-link the two thread so that one thread can easily be discovered

[tw5] Code Patterns: A Tag Selector Gadget

2021-07-14 Thread Charlie Veniot
Hello, *(Attached JSON package with necessary tiddlers below. Drag and drop into a TEST TiddlyWiki to try it out and experiment with.)* I've been monitoring the How to make a more convenient method for selecting tags? , and I suddenly had

[tw5] Re: Thinking through a plugin and the excise dropdown

2021-07-14 Thread David Gifford
So that's why I couldn't post a reply, you had just deleted your post! Here is what I was replying: Hi springer, 1. I don't know if I updated the teaser version, but in the main file I am tinkering with, selecting text and clicking the ted button does wrap the text. 2. I literally just

[tw5] Re: Thinking through a plugin and the excise dropdown

2021-07-14 Thread springer
David, I'm so sorry to have just replied on your OTHER thread, requesting this very development, before reading this one! I'll go delete that, and put the guts of that message below... I'm thinking of a variant on "excise selected text into a new tiddler" that could take selected text, port

[tw5] Re: [Seeking Ideas] Issues with a TW in four languages ...

2021-07-14 Thread Charlie Veniot
Well, if choosing language is based on language plugins, then you're kind of stuck. Unless you develop additional language plugins? Going with Télumire's idea, you can just keep adding language options to that drop-down-selection box as needed. This is great if you intend on just picture

[tw5] Re: Teaser of my macros

2021-07-14 Thread springer
Dave, Thanks for sharing this! I see you have set up an editor button for det, and I wonder if it could be "smarter" in connection with selected text ... I'm thinking of a variant on "excise selected text into a new tiddler" that could take selected text, port it to a new tiddler (prompting

[tw5] Re: Thinking through a plugin and the excise dropdown

2021-07-14 Thread David Gifford
haha I meant the first half of the Youtube video linked to in that post... On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 8:19:47 AM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote: > > Hi everyone > > Yesterday I teased a modest macro that has the capability of turning > TiddlyWiki into an outliner. >

[tw5] Thinking through a plugin and the excise dropdown

2021-07-14 Thread David Gifford
Hi everyone Yesterday I teased a modest macro that has the capability of turning TiddlyWiki into an outliner. https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/gCp5ONBxFXg (first half) I am thinking about packaging it as a plugin called Subsume, but one item seems to call for attention. If I could

Re: [tw5] Re: Just the UI of tiddlywiki

2021-07-14 Thread PMario
On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 1:38:46 PM UTC+2 somen...@gmail.com wrote: ... > I will look into the code but it's a pitty to be TW2. Perhaps someone > could point to me where is the code of the UI in the code of official > tiddlywiki5. > Hi Xavier, I think there is a bit of a

Re: [tw5] Re: Just the UI of tiddlywiki

2021-07-14 Thread Xavier B.
Thanks, Mario, for your response. I will look into the code but it's a pitty to be TW2. Perhaps someone could point to me where is the code of the UI in the code of official tiddlywiki5. Xavier On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 03:55:43 -0700 (PDT) PMario ha escrit: > Hi Xavier, > > You may have a closer

Re: [tw5] Re: Just the UI of tiddlywiki

2021-07-14 Thread Xavier B.
Thanks, Mario, for your response. I will look into the code but it's a pitty to be TW2. Perhaps someone could point to me where is the code of the UI in the code of official tiddlywiki5. Xavier On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 03:55:43 -0700 (PDT) PMario ha escrit: > Hi Xavier, > > You may have a closer

Re: [tw5] An interactive questionnaire in TiddlyWiki

2021-07-14 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Thanks Tones! > On 14 Jul 2021, at 12:30, TW Tones wrote: > > Did you take any steps to insert page breaks in the generated document, or do > you leave this to the user once the document is created? No, I didn’t try anything like that, it would be interesting to experiment more to discover

[tw5] Re: A more elegant filter?

2021-07-14 Thread TW Tones
Ah Yes, The Regex approach. One day I must bit the bullet and learn regex Will this method deal with tags containing spaces or if there are accidental partial matches eg mytodo vs todo etc... I would assume it does but that "fact" is invisible if you don't understand regex. Can you get any

[tw5] New JSON Store Area Now in v5.2.0 Prerelease

2021-07-14 Thread Jeremy Ruston
It doesn’t sound very exciting, but the new JSON-based store area has now been merged into the prerelease. https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ This is the big change that has prompted us moving from v5.1.23 to v5.2.0. It brings one major benefit to all users

[tw5] Re: An interactive questionnaire in TiddlyWiki

2021-07-14 Thread TW Tones
Jeremy, Thanks for sharing a really practical application, for a good cause and with a very professional presentation. - Its great to see your language settings. - It would be nice if one day we can save the results of such surveys to the host even as separate files, json bundles

[tw5] Re: [Seeking Ideas] Issues with a TW in four languages ...

2021-07-14 Thread TiddlyTweeter
ONE issue came up, askance of the OP ... WHAT you gonna do if the language is not supported? In my region (North East Italy) SLOVENIAN and FRIULIAN are used everyday. Slovenians watch a lot of English TV so its a lesser issue as most of the

[tw5] Re: How to make a more convenient method for selecting tags?

2021-07-14 Thread Mike Andyl
and how can I do it? среда, 14 июля 2021 г. в 03:32:14 UTC+3, Brian Radspinner: > Try bumping up the z-index of the tiddler being edited: > > .tc-tiddler-edit-frame { z-index: 1000 !important; } > > The tiddler being edited will have a higher much higher z-index than all > the other tiddlers

[tw5] Re: A more elegant filter?

2021-07-14 Thread PMario
Try this <$set name=pattern value="^project$|^todo$"> <$list filter="[all[current]search:tags:regexp]"> found <> -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[tw5] Re: A more elegant filter?

2021-07-14 Thread TW Tones
In the previous filter examples it is more readable to use [tags[]] which is equivalent to [enlist(!!tags}] {{{ todo project :intersection[tags[]] +[limit[1]] }}} Tones On Wednesday, 14 July 2021 at 18:09:51 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote: > Ok, the writers block has passed. Here I use the intersection

[tw5] Re: A more elegant filter?

2021-07-14 Thread TW Tones
Ok, the writers block has passed. Here I use the intersection filter run prefix available 5.1.23+ *Perhaps you still have a more elegant solution?* Here I test and illustrate the filters using the transclude filter format, but they could be used in a list widget filter. Provide a list of named

[tw5] A more elegant filter?

2021-07-14 Thread TW Tones
Folks, I am not sure its it is a form of writer's block but I have this filter in a list on the view template which detects if the current tiddler has the either of the tags todo or project and displays the content "once" if it has one or both of the tags. [all[current]tag[todo]]