[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Jed In another thread I was asking if the various savers could indicate they have saved when they do so at least we could see that they did in retrospect. With a few filesvers now working on file:// it is getting harder to tell which saver was used. It would be simple as a save time stamp and

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Due to a limitation on how the current core saver setup works the BobSaver can not check to see if Bob is running before claiming that it will work. So if you are on a file:// uri it will assume that it should be active. So if you don't want it to do anything for the moment you have to disable

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

I just realized that the problem is NOT occurring with the older, 0.0.4 plugin. On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 2:35:07 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote: > > > > > If you have bobsaver plugin installed in a TW file, and then load that > file via TiddlyServer, it will ask/warn you every time you save that

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

If you have bobsaver plugin installed in a TW file, and then load that file via TiddlyServer, it will ask/warn you every time you save that the Bob server is not running. Even though Bob Server was not running when the TW file was loaded. And it keeps reminding each time. Makes me wonder if

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Mark, The message about the key is the generic message for when the server responds with a status of 200 but says that the save wasn't successful. So it is probably not the key in your case, I am hoping that the key is the most common reason the saving doesn't work. it looks like you are

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Trying on Windows 10. Getting error re not having saver codes. But I didn't set up any saver codes. But I suspect the real problem is the path: 'C:\Users\My%20X230\Downloads\empty(1)(1).html I'm thinking that the space is the directory path is being converted to url form, and thus doesn't

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

I'm still hoping it's user error. Keeping a watch on my download dir. On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 11:27:05 PM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote: > > When trying to save, the BobSaver tries to connect to Bob and if it > doesn't get the expected response it tells the wiki the save failed and the >

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

When trying to save, the BobSaver tries to connect to Bob and if it doesn't get the expected response it tells the wiki the save failed and the wiki tries the next saver which is normally the download saver. So the switches to the download saver are probably from some problem that doesn't

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Mark, I have seen the sitch to download saver myself, however I needed to rationalise all my options turning off Timimi and reloading wikkis a fresh so as to not step on my own toes. It would be worth trying to replicate with more details. Regards tony On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

When saving, Bob saver doesn't appear to update the "modified" date stamp. This may make backups and synchronizations more difficult. I haven't caught this in the act yet, but there may be times when Bob saver switches to using the default download saver without warning. Well, I think that's

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Jed, thanks for the clear words. Your work is very precious. Am Freitag, 29. November 2019 11:20:07 UTC+1 schrieb Jed Carty: > > Stefan, > > In that setup there isn't any problem or anything to worry about. > > The problem is the pattern of installing something on a persons computer > that has

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Stefan, In that setup there isn't any problem or anything to worry about. The problem is the pattern of installing something on a persons computer that has potential to expose them to risk without explaining that to them. I have gotten a lot of pressure to make Bob listen on 0.0.0.0 as a

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Hi Tony, Am Donnerstag, 28. November 2019 23:36:39 UTC+1 schrieb TonyM: > > Stephan, > > As Mark states and Jed Elsewhere people using a server program installed > on their computer need to be aware of it, they need to give consent to > possible security issues and exposure, they need to see

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Stephan, As Mark states and Jed Elsewhere people using a server program installed on their computer need to be aware of it, they need to give consent to possible security issues and exposure, they need to see the IP Address(s) to find there wiki etc... so I do not see this being hidden by

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

All running programs in Windows put something in the taskbar. If you close it out of the taskbar, you've stopped the program. All node-based programs need a terminal on Windows. TiddlyDesktop poses the most challenges, because closing out the program from the taskbar doesn't close down the

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Stephan, See my previous post for another approach. The shortcut is set to open minimised. Regards Tony On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC+11, Stefan Pfister wrote: > > Thanks it works fine on linux. > > Am Sonntag, 24. November 2019 13:58:49 UTC+1 schrieb Jed Carty: >> >>

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Jed, The simplest way I have found so far to instruct someone to place bob in the startup on Windows (10) is as follows - Download BobWin.exe to an appropriate folder such as C:/MyPrograms/Bob - R-click the BobWin.exe and select create shortcut, Rename the shortcut how you like -

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Thanks it works fine on linux. On windows10 the 64bit-bobexe opens a terminal window and shows some messages of the node.js. It stays open all the time when bobwin.exe is running. How can I avoid this terminal window? I want to run the bobserver invisible at the background. Am Sonntag, 24.

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Stefan, yes, you can suppress the browser opening. I will add a checkbox in the control panel for this in the next version, but for now you need to edit the manual settings. Setting Bob to not open the default browser when it starts (using the manual settings): 1 - Open up the manual

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

I just want to say thank you to all of you for your great work. Just was curious about it and tested a usecase with a singlefile tw with bobsaverplugin installed. I used cherrytree and nextcloud with the nextcloud desktop client. The cherrytree-file is a file in the format of a sql-db. This

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Mark, Adding that check should be easy enough, but I agree with Tony that it has to be optional behaviour. If this continues to work well and people like it than I will get it added to the core as one of the savers and if that were the default behaviour every wiki would complain if it

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Jed I will provide one or more methods to add bob.exe to load on startup on windows. You can choose what suits you. Regards Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Mark That needs to be an option not the standard behaviour as having the saver hidden pending loading finding a bob server can simplify workflow Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

This is just a thought. But could the Bob Saver plugin warn the user when the TW file first boots up if it can't find a running BobServer? Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

On linux it would be easy enough to set up a script that you could download and run to install everything required and have it start automatically, I will add that to the list of things to do. I am currently working on packaging everything into an app bundle in OS X so that it is easier to set

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

I tested the bob saver with the bobexe for linux. Looks really promising. But is there a easy way to start the bob server automatically as a background task or demon at system startup? I don't want to start bob manually every time after every system boot of my working pc. I don't want to open

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Ok! That did it! It works in IE 11.0.9600.19540. Next stop, Netscape 4 ... On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 11:53:24 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote: > > I just put out BobSaver version 0.0.5 > > Mark, > > it should take care of the error you mentioned. It may have other problems > with IE but that

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

I just put out BobSaver version 0.0.5 Mark, it should take care of the error you mentioned. It may have other problems with IE but that one shouldn't be a problem in version 0.0.5. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

oh, if that is the problem than I can fix it and the BobSaver at least can still support IE There are some string functions that aren't available in older version of javascript and startsWith is one of them, there are alternative ways to do it. -- You received this message because you are

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Ok. Must have been Bob. Deleting the BobSaver allows a TW to run on IE11. But, as TT mentions, IE is pretty irrelevant these days. But it was worth a try. On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 11:13:11 AM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote: > > I'm getting "Object doesn't support property or method 'startsWith'

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

I'm getting "Object doesn't support property or method 'startsWith' " But I don't know if that's coming from Bob or just core. On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 10:58:45 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote: > > I don't think that Bob can work with IE anymore. From what I remember IE > can't handle back

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

As far as I can see IE is only relevant now for stuff made in its age. If it was well made in it, it should still work well now in other browsers. You don't need IE for that. Lets not bother with IE. BTW, Edge itself is changing into a Chromium version. Old IE is well and truly finished. Over

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

I don't think that Bob can work with IE anymore. From what I remember IE can't handle back tics in javascript and the websockets library has them. I have considered switching to using server sent events but they don't work as well for the direct p2p federation plans. -- You received this

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Jed, I added tags to this thread to make it more easily found ... [image: Annotation 2019-11-23 182329.jpg] Best wishes TT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

IE is an example of i.e., i.e. (sic) that is no longer tenable as an IE. Mark S. wrote: > > ... I wasn't able to get IE to work with Bob, but don't think that it was > a Bob problem. It might be that my IE > was too out of date, ... > Don't labour it, already :-) TT -- You received this

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

On Saturday, November 23, 2019 at 6:58:43 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote: > > > > The browser shouldn't matter at all to the plugin unless there is some > browser that doesn't allow javascript to send http requests. > It shouldn't, but you never know. The original Edge had problems when saving to

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Ciao Mark I hear you. I'll try again as a semi-idiot, not a full-on :-). A dopo, J. On Saturday, 23 November 2019 15:37:09 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote: > > It's pretty close now. > > Maybe change line "Start Bob" to "Double-click on the bobwin.exe file to > start" > > I wasn't able to test with Edge

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Yes, I will change the line to something like 'Start BobEXE' and put a link to the downloads. To start Bob go here: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases/tag/1.3.3b Download the version for your system (probably BobWin.exe) Double click the exe file you downloaded. And then Bob is

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

It's pretty close now. Maybe change line "Start Bob" to "Double-click on the bobwin.exe file to start" I wasn't able to test with Edge yet, but I did test with Vivaldi, FF, and Chrome. I think we need to assume some minimum level of competence: Ability to browse files, create new folders,

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Stefan Pfister wrote: > > Just a dumb question. I use (in this scenario) a single TW-file with the > bob plugin. To use it I have to start the bob server. How do I start the > bob server? This information is missing. As a noob I don't know how I > should use the bob plugin. The simple sentence

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Just a dumb question. I use (in this scenario) a single TW-file with the bob plugin. To use it I have to start the bob server. How do I start the bob server? This information is missing. As a noob I don't know how I should use the bob plugin. The simple sentence "start bob" is not very useful

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Jed, Thanks for the recent improvements to the bob saver plugin and Bob to address this. I do not think I am misunderstanding. I am describing a new user discovering and interacting with a wiki online, then eventually deciding to make it there own. Here is my reasoning, and Vision. I am

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Tony, There is some misunderstanding here. This plugin lets you save single file tiddlywinks that are currently on your local file system. It has no effect on tiddlywikis hosted on remote servers. For those you can edit them and just use the download saver to save a copy for yourself. After

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Thanks Jed I imaging preparing a website on the internet and the plugin to use local host with an unusual port e.g. 8087 with be the most effective way to stay local only and not clash with an existing port. Then all they do is install bob on any platform, reload the wiki and its done. With

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

It is configured to look for Bob on localhost on a fixed port. Having the IP and port configurable is simple enough to add, I will put that in the next release -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Jed, This sounds like a powerful feature and workflow, and is a good response to The last word in Saving? - May I ask if you have made assumptions about which IP Address and port the Server operates on? - I have

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

It is taken care of in version 0.0.2, and the problem wasn't about how to detect if the server was available, it was how to deal with how node handles http requests as asynchronous and doesn't provide a reasonable way to use them in otherwise synchronous code. In the end I ended up using

[tw5] Re: [TW5] New Plugin: BobSaver, using Bob as a saver for single file wikis

Jed, > I have to find a good way for tiddlywiki to determine if Bob is currently > running or not and have it use this saver if Bob is running and to fallback > to the manual download saver if not. > This is not a real solution, but maybe give you some more ideas: You could create a