Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 58532A GPS Antenna : Launch3 Surplus

2018-02-09 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 06/02/18 22:21, Angus via time-nuts wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 14:54:23 -0500, you wrote: > >> 3) it’s designed for continuous outdoor use (connector is well shielded etc) > > That's something that has always baffled me - the number of antennas > which the manufacturers claim are suitable

Re: [time-nuts] Receiving the MSF time signal on cheap radio modules

2018-02-09 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 07/02/18 01:16, Bob kb8tq wrote: >> MSF disciplined oscillator?! I don't trust these receivers to any better >> than about the 20ms mark, so such a disciplined oscillator would have quite >> a long integration time! > > Once upon a time, that *was* how people did disciplined oscillators. Part

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble SVeeSix-CM3 with Lady Heather?

2017-11-13 Thread Philip Pemberton
I've just got the Motorola board talking to Heather - and with much more data on screen: https://twitter.com/philpem/status/930215452147617793 (Turns out my receiver was an M12+T, not a UT+ -- the UT+ is 5V, this is 3V) I still have no idea why the SVeeSix-CM3 wouldn't cooperate with Heather (I

[time-nuts] Trimble SVeeSix-CM3 with Lady Heather?

2017-11-13 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hi all, Has anyone managed to get a Trimble SVeeSix (in TSIP mode) talking to Lady Heather? I hooked it all up, TSIPChat reported the unit had a position fix, but Lady Heather is utterly refusing to show any of the graphs. I was hoping for a satellite position chart with trails so I could get

[time-nuts] Datatrak navigation system - looking for signal recordings and technical information

2016-08-31 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hi there, I'm currently on what some might call a fool's errand: I'm trying to build a signal generator to simulate the old Securicor Datatrak (later Datatrak / Siemens / Mix Telematics) LF signal chain. Bear with me before you laugh ;) Datatrak was an LF navigation system, originally built by

Re: [time-nuts] LAST CALL for Symmetricom 58532A antennas

2016-01-18 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 15/01/16 18:41, Gregory Beat wrote: > David Zoldan contacted me this morning to inform me that their inventory of > Symmetricom 58532A antennas is quickly disappearing. He thanked the > time-nuts group for their previous purchases in 2015. > > IF you Contact David, at Launch3, and he said

Re: [time-nuts] (OT) Looking for a paper from NAV01 (RIN International Conference on Navigation)

2016-01-12 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 06/01/16 22:00, Jochen Frieling wrote: > First off it looks like they won't even give out the 450 page work, but > only photocopies of requested articles/pages ("bestellbar / nur Kopie"). That seems to be more or less in line with a lot of reference libraries' policies. The British Library

Re: [time-nuts] (OT) Looking for a paper from NAV01 (RIN International Conference on Navigation)

2016-01-06 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 04/01/16 21:02, Attila Kinali wrote: > That's weird. The RIN website has an explicit conference proceedings download > page: > http://members.rin.org.uk/conferencepapers/conferencepapers.aspx > > They list there a special email address confere...@rin.org.uk as contact > to ask for access. I

[time-nuts] Problems with WinOncore12 2.1X3 and an M12+T

2016-01-03 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hi, I'm currently testing a Motorola M12+T receiver for possible use in a GPS-disciplined 10MHz oscillator. At the moment, I'm using WinOncore12 version 2.1X3 to communicate with it. Unfortunately this version of WinOncore seems to be unable to decode the 12-channel control messages, which means

[time-nuts] (OT) Looking for a paper from NAV01 (RIN International Conference on Navigation)

2016-01-02 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hi all, Does anyone happen to have a copy of the proceedings of the 2001 Royal Institute of Navigation Conference, "NAV 01: Location and Navigation"? I'm looking for a copy of a paper: Hartinger H, Willson MJ, Cousins N (2001): Augmentation of satellite positioning with an LF system. Paper

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble OCXOs - 6525, ... and ...

2014-07-08 Thread Philip Pemberton
the atmospheric level. 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 7/6/2014 7:43 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: On 07/06/2014 05:38 PM, Philip Pemberton wrote: Hi there, I've noticed a couple of Trimble OCXOs listed on that auction site. Specifically, model numbers: - 65256 - 49423 - 34310 C1 They all seem to be 12V

[time-nuts] Trimble OCXOs - 6525, ... and ...

2014-07-06 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hi there, I've noticed a couple of Trimble OCXOs listed on that auction site. Specifically, model numbers: - 65256 - 49423 - 34310 C1 They all seem to be 12V, 10MHz, sine-wave units. Does anyone know if there are any other differences between them? Do any specific ones perform better

Re: [time-nuts] Wenzel oscillator - L1 value?

2014-05-04 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 24/04/14 23:30, Bob Camp wrote: There is no difference at all between a 32 pf series crystal and a 32 pf parallel crystal. They both resonate with a 32 pf load and operate at exactly the same frequency into that load. Your crystals will work fine with that circuit. That's good to know.

Re: [time-nuts] Wenzel oscillator - L1 value?

2014-04-24 Thread Philip Pemberton
I was under the impression it was a relatively low phase noise design... In any case, my 10MHz crystals are parallel-resonant. Are there any alternative oscillator designs you'd suggest I look into? Thanks, Phil. On 24/04/14 02:38, Bob Camp wrote: HI The circuit they show is not very low

Re: [time-nuts] Racal-Dana tactile switches

2014-04-14 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 05/04/14 21:53, Jim wrote: I finally had to dive into my Racal Dana 1992 counter, after it had developed several bad switches. I found that through-hole 6x6mm tactile switches with four leads will fit in the counter pcb holes diagonally. That is, if you trim off the leads from two

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom SLCR-101 rubidium - what have I just bought?

2013-12-31 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 26/12/13 21:01, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Several observations: The listing is titled and the item is described in the listing text as an EFRATOM LPRO-101 10Mhz Oscillator, but the item in the photos is an SLCR-101. The frequency standard arrived today. It is indeed an SLCR-101. Lamp

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom SLCR-101 rubidium - what have I just bought?

2013-12-26 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 26/12/13 09:33, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I oringallly thought your offer of $75 was accepted and was going to say it was a decent buy at $75 given it needs only a single supply. But then I realised it must be a UK seller, and it was £75 GBP ($123), which does not seem so attractive given the

[time-nuts] Efratom SLCR-101 rubidium - what have I just bought?

2013-12-25 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hi guys, It seems I must have had a bit too much to drink after Christmas dinner, as I've apparently gone crazy and bought an Efratom SLCR-101 Rubidium frequency standard: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400624911534 I suspect this will make a nice companion for my new-to-me (read: pre-loved)

Re: [time-nuts] HBG keeps transmitting...

2012-01-01 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 01/01/12 14:06, Pieter-Tjerk de Boer wrote: I did manage to make a recording of HBG's shutdown this morning. It was at 07:00:13.2 UTC. Why precisely then, I don't know... Frank, what time is it? 'Bout 7AM. Weren't we supposed to shut down the transmitter around midnight? .

Re: [time-nuts] Distance between GPS Antenni

2011-12-18 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 18/12/11 16:44, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I did manage to see the actual GPS signal on the spectrum analyzer with the amplified antenna. But like I said, I never sniffed an local oscillator leakage. I doubt you would -- the level of LO - RF leakage in the mixer should be pretty minimal,

Re: [time-nuts] Pitfalls of Digital 'Scopes

2011-06-06 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 06/06/11 18:40, J. Forster wrote: IMO, the lesson is that digital scopes do not always accurately depict what a circuit is doing. Even a $50 analog 'scope would never have this issue. Out of idle curiosity, what sampling mode were you using? (ACQUIRE menu on my TDS2024B). In SAMPLE mode,

Re: [time-nuts] Pitfalls of Digital 'Scopes

2011-06-06 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 06/06/11 18:57, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: Offhand, I would suspect undersampling or mistriggering I picked up a Hameg scope with 200 megasamples/sec a few years ago. It saved quite a bit of time when I was putting together a parallel interface between Linux and a Tek storage

Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea

2011-04-19 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 18/04/11 15:55, Chris Albertson wrote: Or he could have been ignorant and had a fear of chemicals not knowing what scary sounding things like sodium chloride is. Or dihydrogen monoxide? A high-school student won first prize in his science fair by circulating a report on the dangers of

Re: [time-nuts] OT: At the Flea

2011-04-19 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 19/04/11 20:48, Chris Albertson wrote: The story I like used common terms where they asked people to find things on a world map and 30% could not locate the Pacific Ocean. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/highlights.html Good grief, that's an easy one. The Atlantic is the big

[time-nuts] (OT) HP 16500B / 16500L - reprogramming MAC address

2011-02-18 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hi guys, Apologies for the off-topic-ness of this message, but I seem to recall there are a few HP 16500B users hanging out here who don't follow the hp_agilent_equipment group on Yahoo... My 16500B has developed a fault. Earlier today, I booted it up and got a load of random garbage on the

Re: [time-nuts] (OT) HP 16500B / 16500L - reprogramming MAC address

2011-02-18 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 18/02/11 21:50, Hal Murray wrote: My guess is something is broken rather than the chip has been wiped. Have you checked the chip select or data path? Seems unlikely. The board hasn't been touched. The chip seems to connect directly to the bus connector (some weird high-density IDC thing).

Re: [time-nuts] Completely OT: Removing electrolytics of leaking capacitors from a pcb

2011-01-19 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 19/01/11 14:57, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Try a mild acid like citric (lemon-) or citric (vinegar). Vinegar would be acetic acid, the same stuff that's used in photographic stop bath (although there are some 'non-smelly' variants based on citric acid). /pedantic-comment -- Phil.

Re: [time-nuts] Sparkfun

2010-01-07 Thread Philip Pemberton
Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: Now, standing in line for 7 hours at some government office where there is a cellphone ban, only to be told that you have been standing in the wrong line: *That* is a waste of time, unless the value of the service is pretty darn high (e.g. Keeping you out of prison or

Re: [time-nuts] Can a quartz crystal go off by 2% ?

2009-12-29 Thread Philip Pemberton
Rob Kimberley wrote: AFIK a lot of the clocks were radio controlled from MSF Rugby (now Anthorn, Cumbria). You would need to have some sort of automated system to accommodate daylight savings switchovers in Spring and Autumn. That said, I would have thought once synchronised, they would tick off

[time-nuts] Fwd: rare stuff available (National Company NC-1001 Atomichron)

2009-12-13 Thread Philip Pemberton
Spotted this on another mailing list -- thought someone might be interested in the Atomichron... Replies to the OP, please -- his name is Dave McGuire, email mcguire AT neurotica DOT com. begin snip Subject: rare stuff available That's really rare, not eBay rare. My employer was

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Re: Solartron 7150plus DMM Failure

2009-09-26 Thread Philip Pemberton
David C. Partridge wrote: Don't laugh, I bought a can of isoprop and some citrus label remover the other day, they were delivered with a total of ten sheets of paper with MSDS information - argh! Let me guess.. you bought them from CPC? I bought a few packs of Chipquik and some contact

Re: [time-nuts] Solartron 7150plus DMM Failure

2009-09-21 Thread Philip Pemberton
gandal...@aol.com wrote: I have now had two identical failures of Schaffner filtered mains sockets on ex-mil 7150plus DMMs, although I'm not suggesting the ex-mil source is particularly relevant. In both cases there has been an internal component failure within the mains socket that caused

Re: [time-nuts] Power Back-up

2009-08-09 Thread Philip Pemberton
J. Forster wrote: When considering a battery backup you really have two ways to go: Battery -- Inverter -- Load Battery --- Load The first option is generally easy to implement, but a lot of the battery capacity goes up as heat in the inverter. As others have pointed out, inverters are not

Re: [time-nuts] Wanted - Service Manual for Solartron 7150+ DMM

2009-07-21 Thread Philip Pemberton
Alan Melia wrote: Did either of you guys find a source of the Schaffner input socket at a reasonable price (ie less than twice the cost the 7150 sells for on eBay :-)) ) I have a spares box full of one that only needs a replacement fiter.iif I cant get the right one I will bodge something

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Wanted - Service Manual for Solartron 7150+ DMM

2009-07-20 Thread Philip Pemberton
David C. Partridge wrote: I have a very poor scan of the 7150 Service Manual. 7150+ is somewhat different. I was under the impression that the only significant changes were to the front panel legend and the software in the EPROM... I have sent an email to Emerson (successors of Solartron

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-19 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hal Murray wrote: I started collecting low cost GPS receivers a year or two ago. I thought I had some with the SiRF-II chips. Either I can't find them or I didn't actually get any. I've been collecting the OEM modules for about the same amount of time. That said, I haven't got that many --

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-18 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hal Murray wrote: One case was a gross software bug. I think it was triggered by a pending leap second. http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/ntp/leap-gps.gif Interesting that the three receivers with issues were all SiRF III based. Do you know what firmware these were running? How are

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-18 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hal Murray wrote: Interesting that the three receivers with issues were all SiRF III based. Do you know what firmware these were running? Nope. If you know the recipe to find out, I'll ask them. :) I just scanned their NMEA documentation and didn't see any way to get it. If memory

[time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-13 Thread Philip Pemberton
Just out of idle curiosity, is there any significant difference in 1PPS accuracy between different GPS modules? I've got a pair of Trimble SVeeSix CM3 boards (firmware 4.13 if memory serves, have to be reflashed to change the comm protocol, which can be either TSIP or NMEA) and an Axiom

Re: [time-nuts] Designing and building an OCXO and GPSDO

2008-08-11 Thread Philip Pemberton
Bruce Griffiths wrote: If you are serious forget the fancy digital or semiconductor temperature sensors they aren't good enough. I was intending to use the slow Dallas chips as a calibration reference (out-of-box they're usually quite accurate) and for testing. Is there any particular reason

Re: [time-nuts] Designing and building an OCXO and GPSDO

2008-08-11 Thread Philip Pemberton
Bruce Griffiths wrote: When using a crystal in an oven you should use a crystal specified for oven operation at a specific temperature. Which is what my crystal is -- a 10MHz oven crystal, specified for a 30pF load capacitance and operation at 50 degrees Celsius. I'm intending to use the

Re: [time-nuts] Designing and building an OCXO and GPSDO

2008-08-11 Thread Philip Pemberton
David C. Partridge wrote: Stupid question - why build your own OCXO when you can buy a pretty good Oscilloquartz OCXO from eBay item number 300247357254 for almost a song? I can think of a couple of reasons: 1) If it breaks, I can rip it open, poke and probe it, figure out what's wrong and

Re: [time-nuts] Designing and building an OCXO and GPSDO

2008-08-11 Thread Philip Pemberton
WB6BNQ wrote: The first is a series of Application notes from Agilent (old hp test div) called AN-200. A total of 5 App notes comprise the AN-200 series. If you go to the following Web page and enter AN-200 at the top of the page in the search box, you will get a return of all the AN-200

[time-nuts] Designing and building an OCXO and GPSDO

2008-08-10 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hi folks, I've been following the mailing list for a few weeks using Pipermail (the web-based archive) and I figured now was a good time to jump in (so to speak). I'm working on a GPS-disciplined oscillator, based on a Trimble SVeeSix GPS receiver, and a homebrew OCXO. I've got a pair of