Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-02-10 Thread Mike Cook
Just to let you know that I received my replacement NS-T receiver and verified that that problem is fixed. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-02-02 Thread Keith Loiselle
NAVCEN issued an alert regarding receiver errors in handling the current pending leap second data like has occurred with the Skytraq receiver. Several brands/models were affected. I have not seen the original alert, but here is an article summarizing: http://www.insidegnss.com/node/4398 Keith

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-02-02 Thread Keith Loiselle
We have received some additional information from Skytraq regarding the leap second error: The faulty version firmware indicates leap seconds (17) from now to June 16th (two weeks before June 30th). During June 16th ~ June 30th, leap second will recover to 16 and change properly to 17 on June

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-28 Thread Mike Cook
I have verified the Skytraq claim on my stand alone NS-T. Tue Jan 27 06:52:06 UTC 2015 $GPGGA,065206.000,4847.3506,N,00216.3005,E,1,06,1.3,191.0,M,47.0,M,,*59 Tue Jan 27 06:52:06 UTC 2015 $GPGLL,4847.3506,N,00216.3005,E,065206.000,A,A*52 Tue Jan 27 06:52:06 UTC 2015

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-28 Thread Tom Van Baak
I have verified the Skytraq claim on my stand alone NS-T. Tue Jan 27 06:52:06 UTC 2015 $GPGGA,065206.000,4847.3506 Hi Mike, Please use more precise timestamps so your results can be believed. In general it's not adequate to use one second unix time stamps to identify a possible one second

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-28 Thread Keith Loiselle
Skytraq has provided updated firmware that corrects the 1 second offset. For those who have not already, please contact us off list for return instructions to have your unit updated. Thank you for your patience with this issue. According to Skytraq the error was introduced when code was added

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-26 Thread Bill Beam
Odd indeed. My LTE-lite is one second late, appears to have already added the pending leap second. I can compare with four other GPS timeing receivers using time pulse on DCD line. The NMEA data reports in error. I am awaiting reply from JL. This is not good for an eBay sniper Bill,

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-26 Thread Keith Loiselle
We have confirmed this issue with the Skytraq firmware on the LTE-Lite and are working with Skytraq to obtain a firmware update. I will post again when a firmware update is available. Keith Keith On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Bill Beam wb...@gci.net wrote: Odd indeed. My LTE-lite is one

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-26 Thread Keith Loiselle
Skytraq has also confirmed the issue and is working on a firmware update. Updating the Skytraq firmware on the LTE-Lite Eval Board requires the unit be returned to Jackson Labs for reprogramming. We will update the Skytraq firmware on units at no charge if units are returned to us. Please

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-26 Thread Bill Beam
Be careful with 'eyeball data'. GPS receiver does not generate NMEA time data and the leading edge of PPS at the same time. Programs like Tac32 (totally accurate clock) and Lady Heather increment the time display at the leading edge of PPS with a value 1 second greater than the previous NMEA

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-26 Thread Mike Cook
Yes there is certainly an error here: With my timing module I was just eyeballing the output on a windows platform , comparing GUI data. I have just linked the module up to a BeagleBone Black sync’d with NTP and this is the NMEA msg log: root@bb3:/home/mike/serial-ports# while read GGA; do echo

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
- Original Message - From: Paul tic-...@bodosom.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 8:58 PM Subject: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error I see a one second error in the NMEA string from my LTE Lite. It lost a second

[time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-24 Thread Paul
I see a one second error in the NMEA string from my LTE Lite. It lost a second between 23:33:34 and 23:33:42 21-Jan-2015 UTC. I happened to check because a report of a one second error in some NTP pool servers. Just a heads up -- I'll be following up with JL directly. -- Paul

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 5 Dec 2014 07:05, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: David it always does a survey. Though even while doing that the frequency output is fine after its had a bit to stabilize. I wanted to bring the survey lamp out to a front panel LED however that appeared to be more work

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread David J Taylor
Have you considered to use a light pipe? Hopefully you could get enough light out. Or is all else fails, use a photodiode to detect the light and drive an LED. Dave. Good suggestion, Dave. Light pipes used to be very popular, but I couldn't find one when

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Chuck Harris
I think the name light pipe has been supplanted by fiber-optic. -Chuck Harris David J Taylor wrote: Have you considered to use a light pipe? Hopefully you could get enough light out. Or is all else fails, use a photodiode to detect the light and drive an LED. Dave.

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 5 Dec 2014 13:19, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: I think the name light pipe has been supplanted by fiber-optic. -Chuck Harris Technically I agree that they have a lot in common. But I think the large devices, which are often not cylindrical, are usually called light pipes.

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Chuck Harris
We were talking about remotely viewing light from small things like LED's. I hardly think that telling me about a 1m diameter solar light pipe, or the marvels of ancient Egyptians is relevant. I see two types of devices used for moving light remotely: 1) fiber optic, which is a standardized

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread paul swed
That is a good suggestion. But I fall into the camp. Not really that important now. At least not to get me to pull it out of the rack. :-) The little LED are pretty bright and I remember some broadcast equipment used light pipes. OK now I am going to get silly but this is time-nuts. I think light

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Brian Lloyd
Mount the LTE-lite to the front panel with a cutout and a green bezel so you can see the LEDs directly. -- Brian Lloyd Lloyd Aviation 706 Flightline Drive Spring Branch, TX 78070 br...@lloyd.aero +1.210.802-8FLY (1.210.802-8359) ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Chuck Harris
The OP said he couldn't find anything applicable when he was looking for light pipe. So, I offered him a suggestion for why. Ultimately, we are talking about locating something using a search engine. The public has taken to the high tech sounding term fiber optic to describe what used to be

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Don Latham
actually, Magritte had it: “this is not a pipe” Don On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: The OP said he couldn't find anything applicable when he was looking for light pipe. So, I offered him a suggestion for why. Ultimately, we are talking about locating

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Dave M
I finally took an ineterest in this thread, because I have needed (rather infrequently) a way to get LED light from a PCB to a front panel. I Googled flexible light pipe (no quotes in the Google search) and got loads of hits for them. So, I guess they're called pipes after all. And they're

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-05 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 5 Dec 2014 20:05, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: I finally took an ineterest in this thread, because I have needed (rather infrequently) a way to get LED light from a PCB to a front panel. I Googled flexible light pipe (no quotes in the Google search) and got loads of hits for them.

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-04 Thread David J Taylor
With the LTE-Lite, are the survey results held in non-volatile memory, or does it need to do a survey each time it is switched on? This is a fixed location. The survey light is still on after a number of hours of operation (but it may have gone off in the meanwhile), and the GPS light

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-04 Thread paul swed
David it always does a survey. Though even while doing that the frequency output is fine after its had a bit to stabilize. I wanted to bring the survey lamp out to a front panel LED however that appeared to be more work and risk then the value. The documentation says that from time to time it will

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-12-04 Thread David J Taylor
David it always does a survey. Though even while doing that the frequency output is fine after its had a bit to stabilize. I wanted to bring the survey lamp out to a front panel LED however that appeared to be more work and risk then the value. The documentation says that from time to time it

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread Jim Sanford
SO, I just connected my third LTE-Lite unit. By the time the software drivers were installed, and I selected U-center to the new COMM port, it had a fix. Even with the survey LED still blinking. I looked at the GoogleEarth view, and the fix is within six feet of where the antenna really is.

[time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread billriches
I have for sale a 2 week old 10 Mhz LTE-Lite with power supply, right angle jumpers, and antenna as shipped from Said. An excellent unit - in about 15 minutes it will be within a few parts of 10e10. I am selling it as it would not work out for a project I was working on. $ 175.00 including

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Just so the rest of the world does not freak out when they look at accuracy compared to Google: Depending on just where you are, Google Maps / Google Earth can be more or less accurate. It’s not at all uncommon to find horizontal errors 20 feet. I have seen this with multiple locations

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread EB4APL
Hi, Just a word of caution here: Do not trust Google Earth data for any precision work. The mentioned six feet are probably due to the geographical data, not to the precission of your GPS unit. If you look for image seams you can verify the kind of errors involved. Google Earth is not a

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread Hal Murray
eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es said: Do not trust Google Earth data for any precision work. The mentioned six feet are probably due to the geographical data, not to the precission of your GPS unit. If you look for image seams you can verify the kind of errors involved. How good are USGS

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You *know* what’s going to happen (it always does): You’ll get the LTE sold and the next day another project will pop up that it would be absolutely perfect for :) Bob On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:48 PM, billriches bill.ric...@verizon.net wrote: I have for sale a 2 week old 10 Mhz LTE-Lite

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread Jim Sanford
Ignacio: Gracias. I only mentioned the GoogleEarth as an indicator . . . Setenta y Tres, Jim wb4...@amsat.org On 11/30/2014 4:11 PM, EB4APL wrote: Hi, Just a word of caution here: Do not trust Google Earth data for any precision work. The mentioned six feet are probably due to the

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 30 November 2014 at 21:38, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi You *know* what’s going to happen (it always does): You’ll get the LTE sold and the next day another project will pop up that it would be absolutely perfect for :) Bob I don't know what the warranty situation would be on a

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/30/14, 1:49 PM, Hal Murray wrote: eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es said: Do not trust Google Earth data for any precision work. The mentioned six feet are probably due to the geographical data, not to the precission of your GPS unit. If you look for image seams you can verify the kind of

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-30 Thread EB4APL
On 30/11/2014 a las 22:49, Hal Murray wrote: eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es said: Do not trust Google Earth data for any precision work. The mentioned six feet are probably due to the geographical data, not to the precission of your GPS unit. If you look for image seams you can verify the kind

[time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter

2014-11-29 Thread cfo
Gents I have a S14WI GPS antenna splitter w. Opt : Amplified + DC Bias Select + Ant Current monitor It's connected to a Maxrad 40dB ice cone timing antenna DS for the spliter here http://www.amtechs.co.jp/2_gps/pdf/S14WI_spec.pdf http://tinyurl.com/nfmpyqm Currently i have this connected :

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter

2014-11-29 Thread Hal Murray
xne...@luna.dyndns.dk said: The LTE-Lite is 3v3 , and wouldn't like to get 5v on it's antenna. I'd put a voltmeter on that connector and see if the splitter is sending anything out. My scan of the data sheet looks like it will do the right thing. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter

2014-11-29 Thread Björn
: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter /divdiv /divGents I have a S14WI GPS antenna splitter w. Opt : Amplified + DC Bias Select + Ant Current monitor It's connected to a Maxrad 40dB ice cone timing antenna DS for the spliter here http://www.amtechs.co.jp/2_gps/pdf/S14WI_spec.pdf http

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter

2014-11-29 Thread cfo
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:54:17 +0100, Björn wrote: Hi! The splitter will not route 5V back out to another splitter port. Your gpsd(tcx)o antenna port is safe. Thanx Hal Björn I have connected it , and it seems to be running fine It has been on for about 1 hr now.

[time-nuts] LTE Lite installation comments

2014-11-29 Thread paul swed
Want to thank everyone for the various comments and insights of the LTE, filters, buffers etc. My unit is built up including dividers and distribution amps and simply need to drill a few holes in the front panel for on/off switch and a few status lamps some 16 BNC's. I want to thank both Bob and

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter

2014-11-29 Thread Bob Stewart
.  But, contact them.  They'll fix you right up. By the way, if your ports are labeled, PDC = powered DC and BDC = blocked DC. Bob - AE6RV From: cfo xne...@luna.dyndns.dk To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:53 AM Subject: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter

2014-11-29 Thread Pete Lancashire
, 2014 1:53 AM Subject: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter Gents I have a S14WI GPS antenna splitter w. Opt : Amplified + DC Bias Select + Ant Current monitor It's connected to a Maxrad 40dB ice cone timing antenna DS for the spliter here http://www.amtechs.co.jp/2_gps/pdf

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite installation comments

2014-11-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You can check part of the performance of the buffers with your ‘scope. Trigger on the input and look at the output. Depending on what sort of scope you have, you might get sub ns. Of course you also could simply trust that logic gates have pretty stable delay specs. Bob On Nov 29, 2014,

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite installation comments

2014-11-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are looking at the 10 MHz outputs and want to see what they are doing - feed a pair of outputs into a double balanced mixer. You will get an IF output that tracks the phase between the two outputs. Best to do it with 90 degrees of coax shifting things so you get a zero output. Track

[time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Sanford
All: After running my 20 MHz LTE-Lite for a week or so, I shut it down and connected one of the 10 MHz units. The LEDs appear to be responding (survey still in progress) as per the quick start guide. Windows installed a new comm port and driver. (COMM6, with FTDI driver) The COMM5 port

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The “new chip ID, new com port” thing is pretty typical for the FTDI drivers. If you plug the old LTE back in there’s a good chance it will come back up as COMM 5. Usually they are pretty good about only adding ports for devices they have not seen before. Bob On Nov 28, 2014, at 3:23 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Sanford
All: Sharing lessons learned the hard way . . . After messing around with my Anti-Virus program, which declared some false threats, messing with drivers, and uninstalling/reinstalling Ublox, I put the 20 MHz unit back on line. Instantly came up and showed data in UBLOX. Shut it down,

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: The “new chip ID, new com port” thing is pretty typical for the FTDI drivers. If you plug the old LTE back in there’s a good chance it will come back up as COMM 5. Usually they are pretty good about only adding ports for devices they have not seen before. Most/some

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Orin Eman
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: kb...@n1k.org said: The “new chip ID, new com port” thing is pretty typical for the FTDI drivers. If you plug the old LTE back in there’s a good chance it will come back up as COMM 5. Usually they are pretty good

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Stewart
-pl2303-reliable-device-names-4175506134/ Bob From: Orin Eman orin.e...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hal Murray hmur

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-26 Thread paul swed
As I say a most useless website. Regards On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Dave Martindale dave.martind...@gmail.com wrote: I spent a bit of time poking around the SkyTraq web site on the weekend. I couldn't find a datasheet for the chip on the LTE-Lite - perhaps it's so new that SkyTraq

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Didier Juges
Said, Your drawing looks better than those by Bob Pease, and he was never embarrassed by his :) Thank you for your extensive contributions to time nuts Didier KO4BB On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 7:28 PM, S. Jackson via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Guys, I never expected such an intense

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
:) Sent From iPhone On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:20, Didier Juges shali...@gmail.com wrote: Said, Your drawing looks better than those by Bob Pease, and he was never embarrassed by his :) Thank you for your extensive contributions to time nuts Didier KO4BB On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 7:28

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Jim Sanford
Interesting comment. . . . I'm reading Bob's book now! Never met him, but felt like I knew him from all of his writings. His death was very sad Jim wb4...@amsat.org On 11/26/2014 12:20 PM, Didier Juges wrote: Said, Your drawing looks better than those byBob Pease, and he was never

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Jim, A double tragedy. I was working with Jim Williams on one of our designs a week before he passed away. Then Bob crashed his car coming from Jim's funeral (grief?) and died too. Two of the greatest analog minds lost within days. Bye, Said Sent From iPhone On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:34, Jim

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-26 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Hi! Navspark has one board with Glonass (http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/navspark-gl-arduino-compatible-development-board-with-gps-glonass/) and one board with Beidou (http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/navspark-bd-arduino-compatible-development-board-with-gps-beidou/). Both use a Venus 8

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-26 Thread Neil Schroeder
Poul are you teferring to the lte lite specifically? My Resolution SMT GG will go single sat or OD mode with only non GPS sats available. On Tuesday, November 25, 2014, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 7da89.51b7dfcf.41a65...@aol.com javascript:;, S. Jackson

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Jim Sanford
Didier: Please DO share. Thanks! Jim On 11/25/2014 7:47 PM, Didier Juges wrote: Jim, I have somewhere a piece of VB 6.0 code that decodes NMEA sentences and puts it pretty on the screen (at least that's how I remember it :). I am not at home at the moment but I'll be glad to send it to you

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 November 2014 at 19:51, S. Jackson via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Jim, please remember you need proper lightning protection if you put the antenna outside.. bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-26 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Sorry, seems this did not show first time. Edésio On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:16:20PM -0200, Edesio Costa e Silva wrote: Hi! Navspark has one board with Glonass (http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/navspark-gl-arduino-compatible-development-board-with-gps-glonass/) and one board with Beidou

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-26 Thread Don Latham
yes please! Don On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Jim Sanford wb4...@wb4gcs.org wrote: Didier: Please DO share. Thanks! Jim On 11/25/2014 7:47 PM, Didier Juges wrote: Jim, I have somewhere a piece of VB 6.0 code that decodes NMEA sentences and puts it pretty on the screen (at least

[time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread Jim Miller
I have one of the LTE-Lite 20Mhz units and plan to use it as a frequency reference for my ham radio gear. My planned setup is as follows: I'm putting it in the recommended Hammond enclosure powered by a USB cable from my PC. I had originally planned to use the wall wart provided but I want to get

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Jim, please remember you need proper lightning protection if you put the antenna outside.. bye, Said In a message dated 11/25/2014 11:43:09 Pacific Standard Time, jim@jtmil ler.com writes: I have one of the LTE-Lite 20Mhz units and plan to use it as a frequency reference for my ham

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread paul swed
Jim Because of the short runs you should be quite fine with your approach. I used the 74HC version to do my dividing using the second section to get 5 MHz. Lots of gear still uses that. Frankly ublox and such don't show you much and I am using PUTTY. There is another pgm from India but shows much

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 November 2014 at 19:42, Jim Miller j...@jtmiller.com wrote: I'm putting it in the recommended Hammond enclosure powered by a USB cable from my PC. I had originally planned to use the wall wart provided but I want to get status from the unit without hacking a window in the top to see the

[time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-25 Thread paul swed
Here is a link to a company that at least shares details of the SkyTraq venus 8 chip on the LTE-Lite. The actual skytraq sites is pretty useless. https://www.tindie.com/products/smokingresistor/venus838flpx-gps-breakout-board/ There is a program that will read the nema codes and such also. Have

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-25 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Now that the cat is out of the bag - notice that on these boards we used the special -T timing version which is more than twice as expensive than the normal navigation version used by others.. I personally use the uBlox software because the Skytrack software had a habit of crashing itself

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-25 Thread paul swed
Said Really did not run it very long a few hours. In that time it ran fine and on Vista no less. Now thats scary. The fact that it had my location and insists on Asia along with fixed screen scaling hints that its half beaked. But there was little additional value compared to ublox accept for one

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 7da89.51b7dfcf.41a65...@aol.com, S. Jackson via time-nuts writes : Now that the cat is out of the bag - notice that on these boards we used the special -T timing version which is more than twice as expensive than the normal navigation version used by others.. That

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-25 Thread Joseph Gray
Thanks for the link. The Navspark also uses a Venus GPS, but I don't know if it the same one. I can't look it up at the moment. Joe Gray W5JG On Nov 25, 2014 3:02 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a link to a company that at least shares details of the SkyTraq venus 8 chip on

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think it’s more a supply and demand thing right now. There are a lot of systems (CDMA for example) that run on GPS time. There do not seem to be quite as many people putting out spec’s for the other systems (yet). Bob On Nov 25, 2014, at 5:29 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-25 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
We evaluated a Glonass unit for 1PPS and it was really quite bad. Unless you are near the poles or get jammed a lot I would not see much advantage.. Sent From iPhone On Nov 25, 2014, at 15:10, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi I think it’s more a supply and demand thing right now. There

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread Didier Juges
Jim, I have somewhere a piece of VB 6.0 code that decodes NMEA sentences and puts it pretty on the screen (at least that's how I remember it :). I am not at home at the moment but I'll be glad to send it to you if you are interested. May not do what you want, but it will get you started.

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Guys, I never expected such an intense discussion about using and buffering the outputs from the LTE-Lite board since the actual circuit to use can be quite simple. To address these questions, I drew up a simple schematic that uses a DIP-14 74AC04 gate, six resistors, and two caps.

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you decide to run the circuit from +5V, get the 74ACT04 instead of the 74AC04. It will trigger better on the 3.3V output from the LTE. The 74AC(T)04 will not in any way impact the phase noise or ADEV coming out of the LTE, if a reasonable supply is used… With a decent PCB layout and

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Hi Mark, Bob, two comments: * I forgot to mention that feeding the 1PPS signal through the IC inverts the signal of course, so the falling edge becomes the active edge. Use the two inverters in series rather than parallel to avoid that problem, at the cost of lower drive capability and

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One simple point: Do you *need* ultra low phase noise on your 1 pps output or is real good ADEV all you are after? If you need good phase noise .. exactly what are you doing ??? So… tack a 78L05 onto your bulk power and run the pps output “empire” off of that supply. Maybe wire the 1 pps

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Plans

2014-11-25 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Bob, Its not the 1PPS that would be suffering, its the 10MHz that will have all the 1Hz and its harmonics making the PN graph look ugly.. Agree with you that the regulators cost zip these days and using individual buffer ICs and regs is the best way to go. Bye, Said Sent From iPhone On Nov

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite SkyTraq chip info

2014-11-25 Thread Dave Martindale
I spent a bit of time poking around the SkyTraq web site on the weekend. I couldn't find a datasheet for the chip on the LTE-Lite - perhaps it's so new that SkyTraq has not put together the datasheet yet. Under timing, they only list the Venus638LPx-T, which is a older (2011 copyright on the

[time-nuts] LTE-lite pigtails

2014-11-23 Thread Paul
My unit didn't come with right-angle pigtails as shown in the doc (and Tom's photos). Did anyone else get straight connectors? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-lite pigtails

2014-11-23 Thread Jim Sanford
My first unit came with straight connectors. I can manage. On 11/23/2014 1:50 PM, Paul wrote: My unit didn't come with right-angle pigtails as shown in the doc (and Tom's photos). Did anyone else get straight connectors? ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-lite pigtails

2014-11-23 Thread paul swed
Paul Mine came with right angles. It does make for a nicer arrangement. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Jim Sanford wb4...@wb4gcs.org wrote: My first unit came with straight connectors. I can manage. On 11/23/2014 1:50 PM, Paul wrote: My unit didn't come with

[time-nuts] LTE lite questions

2014-11-22 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Nigel, CC'ing time nuts.. R2 and R3 are stuffing options, see the schematics in the user manual. Typically you don't have to solder anything. The default is set for the low-noise 3.0V to be fed to the DIP-14 tcxo for best performance. On your question on removing the SMT Tcxo, this is not

[time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread Jim Sanford
All: Received my LTE-Lite and ready to play, EXCEPT, I'm in the basement. Does anyone know if the antenna which the ebay purveyor of the Nortel Thunderbolts supplies will work on the 3.3 volts coming out of the LTE Lite? (I measured the Nortel, it puts 4.95 volts on the coax.) That

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Pretty much all of the “timing” GPS antennas want to see 5V to work properly. About the only thing I’ve seen that likes 3.3V are the modern mag mount antennas. Bob On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Jim Sanford wb4...@wb4gcs.org wrote: All: Received my LTE-Lite and ready to play, EXCEPT,

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Jim, try it out. Check the C/No values in the GPGSV NMEA messages. If they are over 40dB, then it works just fine and there is no need to over-think the issue.. bye, Said In a message dated 11/22/2014 16:39:55 Pacific Standard Time, kb...@n1k.org writes: Hi Pretty much all of the

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Hi Jim, not much harm should come to the 5V antenna if driven at only 3.3V. However if you feed 5V into the LTE Lite antenna port then bad things will happen because it will back-feed into the 3.3V power rail, and possible damage some of the 3.3V parts on the PCB. Running a 3.3V antenna

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, S. Jackson via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hi Jim, not much harm should come to the 5V antenna if driven at only 3.3V. However if you feed 5V into the LTE Lite antenna port then bad things will happen because it will back-feed into the 3.3V

[time-nuts] LTE-Lite order

2014-11-17 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Hello everyone, some info to the hole list for folks who missed out on the 20MHz LTE-Lite Evaluation kits: The 20MHz units shipped-out last week to all of you who ordered and should arrive shortly. Also, we have received feedback from the 10MHz TCXO factory that TCXOs will ship to us

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite Came!!

2014-11-17 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Hi Jim, thanks for your question. The reason we put that note in there is two-fold: 1) On these 20MHz units the TCXO output in fact can drive 50 Ohms inputs as we put a strong buffer on the board, but the synthesized RF output and the 1PPS output cannot drive 50 Ohms. Those two are CMOS

[time-nuts] LTE Lite Question

2014-11-17 Thread Brent Gordon
I got my LTE Lite this afternoon and have been playing with it. I have a question on the NMEA $PSTI message: what are the last two numbers before the checksum (in this case 30, 0)? I've noticed that once the site survey is complete they go away, just the comma is left.

[time-nuts] LTE LITE comments

2014-11-17 Thread paul swed
Said Like others my unit arrived today. As I pondered the cables from the splitter and power supplies along with lots of mcx connectors, low and behold everything needed was in the box to get going. Its up and running, surveyed, locked, and happy. Currently watching it against a z3801 and a

Re: [time-nuts] LTE LITE comments

2014-11-17 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Thanks Paul, Glad you like it! On the PSTI question from earlier: the GPS vendor snuck two additional fields into the PSTI message on their last fw update. The two new fields are as follows: Position Standard Deviation Threshold Calculated Position Standard Deviation After Self-Survey The

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite module

2014-10-25 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bob wrote: PHK has a roughly 6 line code snippet that does a basic PLL. Add two more lines to check / clamp the integrator if you wish. That's 8 lines. If you want a D term (to give it an FLL component) add 2 more lines. We're up to 10 lines. It's just a control loop, not a full GPSDO.

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite module

2014-10-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi We are not talking about a system (like GPS) that has junk data coming in. In this case, the phase detector gives you a very good estimate of the delta between input and output in real time. The error trapping / shifting / multi this and that simply isn’t needed in this case. The solution

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite module

2014-10-25 Thread Chris Albertson
Mostly we don't even write the guts of those algorithms. For example, you'd use a PID library. One line to create a PID controller object then one line to call the PID for each phase measurement. This goes double for, say, drawing a graph of the phase over time to an LCD display, you'd use a

[time-nuts] LTE-Lite module and the pendulum...

2014-10-23 Thread Burt I. Weiner
-turn trimpot. From: saidj...@aol.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite module and the pendulum... Hi John, while I can't tell you which vendors are affected and which are not (Its like asking an angler for his secret angling spot :), I can say that most low cost TCXOs

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite module

2014-10-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 766d6811-f733-4ab2-8574-24e4606e4...@aol.com, Said Jackson via tim e-nuts writes: Thats exactly right Bob. By the time your ocxo jumps to catch up to the efc voltage, you have oversteered, then the process starts in reverse and the ocxo jumps in the opposite direction. This

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