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t doesn't
exist in the session any longer.
$data.getUser() returns an object that has been placed into the HttpSession
This isn't Turbine that is broken as this same stuff worked fine in JServ
and Tomcat 3.x. It is definitely Catalina.
love,
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erves all
> of our interests better than waiting for whatever but you find on Saturday,
> and the next one on Sunday, and so on ...
I still don't understand the version number mentality, but whatever. :-)
> Sounds like a good path of investigation for tomorrow morning.
Great. Thanks. Thi
to muddle through with
> my own Struts resource page at
>
> < http://husted.com/about/struts/ >
Well, the other day someone actually volunteered to make it work. They were
promptly given an account on the apache.org box with full access
ng instance has it in memory and the shutdown
>> script gets the saved copy. With correct permissions this
>> should prevent others from shutting down Tomcat.
>
> Costin
Funny. We had that feature in Apache JServ back in 1998. Costin, I think it
would be a forward port. LOL!
thanks,
ow Icould contribute
> the source please send me an email.
>
> Richard Laing
Richard,
Please put a .zip or .tar.gz up on a website somewhere so that we can take a
look at it. If you don't have a site, I will put it up somewhere for you if
you sent it to me in pr
Hi Craig, any status?
Maybe you can point me at the right place to look?
thanks,
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fyi...the jaxp.jar and/or the parser.jar that are distributed with Tomcat
4.x nightly builds seem to be causing problems for some people's JIT's.
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2 processors and half gig ram)
> tomorrow or Thursday...
>
> Pier
Seems to be a common problem with that machine. How many processors have you
gone through now with it? Maybe you can get Sun to give you a refund. :-)
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MLS? Preprocess code? WHAT?
Have you even looked at what we are doing in Turbine/Velocity land?
Also, let me also refer you to:
<http://java.apache.org/turbine/pullmodel.html>
-jon
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> So I'll stay with xerces-j much larger but redistribuable ?-)
Yep.
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solutely not. XMLC is way different than WM or Velocity.
Also, look at:
<http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/>
p.s. It is interesting that you are a PhD. yet you haven't done any research
into the alternatives that are out there. Instead you just invented your
own. Sigh.
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use.
> Velocity's design concept is borrowed from WebMacro.
However, it is vastly different in implementation.
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on 1/11/01 7:26 PM, "Aflatoon Aflatooni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I didn't know where else to turn.
> I was wondering where and how I can get the source for mod_jk.so (the
> apache module)
> Thanks
> Aflatoon
w it has the J2EE stamp of approval, how good
> it actually is becomes irrelevant. Sigh.
>
> Geoff.
This is one of my more memorable .gif images...
<http://www.whichever.com/jsp.gif>
:-)
Nice to see NASA using our software.
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> <http://www.whichever.com/jsp.gif>
Now this is fun...
216.216.10.57 - - [11/Jan/2001:17:03:45 -0800] "GET /jsp.gif HTTP/1.1" 200
74620
216.216.10.57 - - [11/Jan/2001:17:06:54 -0800] "GET / H
thing other than completely simplistic examples.
> Witness Jon's Pull Model document... :-)
>
> Geoff
I'm confused by that statement. Please explain.
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that if you load
it into a browser without running it through the parser (ie: just load the
static template), it shows up ugly, but you can easily see the logic of what
you are trying to accomplish. If you loaded the JSP example the same
way...all you would see is...nothing.
In conclusion, let me
; and so on . . . the magic %tr ...% tells it to iterate on table rows.
>
> Oh, but of course it's YATL so I'll shut up now. (It compiles down
> to JSPs.)
Exactly. JSP alone didn't solve your problem. You had to do YATL in ord
on 1/12/01 12:31 PM, "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> So did you Jon ... it's called Velocity :-)
Exactly. It would have been nice if JSP was done right from the start
instead of having an original goal of attempting to provide a solution to
strictly
on 1/12/01 6:12 PM, "Marc Saegesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There must be something simple that I'm missing.
URL encode it.
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my mostly-untested syslog
> code for an addition to the logger classes, any thoughts on this?
>
> David Weinrich
+1. Use log4j.
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uot; of this project in general.
No, I think you don't want to be part of the project because the project
decided to go in one direction and you went in another without even
expressing your own vote (everyone else voted but you)!
<http://w6.metronet.com/~wjm/tomcat/2000/Aug/index.html#0
ome to it or at
least dial in.
Also, let me stress again, that the decision will be made in a public forum.
Thus, having the mailing list archives be opened up isn't necessarily useful
at this point. All of the conversations that have gone on, that a
on 1/14/01 3:11 PM, "Geoff Soutter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Jon Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> on 1/11/01 8:30 PM, "Geoff Soutter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Let me also state that at this poi
4:30 am *shudder* Monday morning to participate in certain groups) but
> usually these effects can be minimized. I am sure there are some irc
> servers that would be willing to host apache discussions. As a bonus people
> could even save transcripts so others could see what went down.
Ok, so
pinionated. I'm also glad there is someone like
me...otherwise, we would all continue to sit around the table looking silly
at each other at dinner with nothing to say! :-)
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> At 05:48 14/1/01 -0800, Jon Stevens wrote:
>>> I know it's out of context but this neatly summarizes it doesn't it ;) What
>>> you may ask - well let me elaborate. When I first started
eded to be done to bring Tomcat 3.x up to par with what you
consider as being needed done.
> I'm waiting for the moment they feel Catalina is completed and has
> all the promised features and it's ready to be compared with Tomcat 3.
So am I!
I personally think that
ay - I plan to add new modules and
> features, port back some valves, improve modules - I just don't want to
> have to fight every step of the way or get back what I've got so far.
I still don't think you "get it".
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be because of the fact that
the project has decided to go in one direction and he wants to go in
another.
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see the need to bully people who aren't toeing the party line. Tomcat
> 4 isn't ready yet, does everyone still loyal to the old 3.x order really need
> to be purged?
Please follow along more closely. That isn't the issue.
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that you find time to keep all this fight going on.
It isn't a fight. It is preparation for the meeting. I want to make sure
that everyone gets in their voice of opinion and also gets a response. I'm
tired of being considered doing things behind closed doors. Now I'm going to
make damn su
3.3 and believe that 4.0 is indeed
> simpler, better or faster ?
I do.
> And how many commiters ( including Hans and Duncan ) did stoped working on
> 3.x and started working on 4.0 ?
What does that have to do with anything?
> Does it looks like a "project decision" ?
Yes. There were no -1 votes and more than 3 +1 votes.
> Yes, this is supposed to be a community effort - and it has been so far.
>
> Costin
Right. Because you haven't been acting like part of the community.
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on 1/15/01 2:32 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not going to fork tomcat3, nor to abandon it - but for any new
> features and ideas I'll use a separate workspace, where I can work
> without fighting.
>
> --
> Costin
Great!
give me concrete evidence that supports that claim?
> Still, it seems that you just want him to go away NOW. Does that make sense?
Nope. I simply want him to play within the goals of the overall project
according to the way that we voted and agreed upon. He is still continuing
to
l
> the Jakarta Project and its community support the 3.x codebase in terms of
> enhancements, improvements, security fixes, etc. Or, as you say: "When
> does it stop?"
Correct. That is the question.
> Have fun at the meeting tomorrow... :)
I think it will be fun. :-)
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e I said. That isn't what is being questioned.
> It seems he is not alone on that.
>
> Paulo
That is why the issue is being brought up to the PMC level to decide.
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project decision was to move into 4.0 direction, and
> this proposal is exactly that and the commiters aproved that - well, then
> what happened ?
I repeat:
What does that have to do with anything?
> Yes, spending all the time contributing to tomcat - just to be trashed and
> flamed b
urred. In fact, quite the opposite. You have stated
that you don't think Tomcat 4.x is any good and you also stated that you
won't work on it.
Given those variables, I feel that I need to step up and draw the line
somewhere and ask people to vote on that decision. That is what is goi
'm not being a dictator at all and I think it
is rude of you to suggest that I am being one. I'm simply going with what
the active developers have proposed and voted and agreed on.
> Or is Apache effort now only ruled for what is better for Sun's
> interests?
on 1/15/01 4:24 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Several members want to go on with 3.3 and the only one I see making a big
> fuss of stopping it its you.
I don't know what the *fuck* you are talking about.
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ng and become Jon's slave!)
Paulo, try harder. I'm sure you will understand what I'm trying to say
instead of constantly trying to turn things around into something they are
not.
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on 1/15/01 5:13 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This makes a lot of sense to me.
>
> Have fun,
> Paulo
Finally someone gets through to you.
I also agree with Hans 100%.
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hich doesn't help
> anyone).
>
>> How voluntary is voluntary work here?
>
> Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything, but they have to follow rules and
> accept decisions (after contributing to the making of those decisions). If
> they don't, they're a
on 1/15/01 5:22 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perfect, but as Hans mentioned, there was never a decision to stop 3.3.
Exactly why this meeting is happening and my original [MY_OPINION] thread
started.
> And I have been seing much more rants and FUD fr
saying all along.
Other than that, what other problems do you think am I having?
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Was it only rants then?
Was *what* only rants?
> The ones about how Costin should spend his time.
Costin can spend his time however he wants. I never suggested he should
spend his time doing anything.
Where he spends his time
esday, January 16, 2001 02:30
>>
>
>> My mistake - it is of course a "project decision", the question should
>> have been - does it looks like the "decision" Jon is invoking to justify
>> stopping 3.3 ? Does it look like what Jon is claiming that I'm a
ave been
>> saying all along.
>
> Than maybe it would be a good idea to shut up and let Hans do the talking?
How should I respond to this, with a comment about your mother or something?
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or the
> other. The rest of Apache and this PMC keeping quiet on these sorts of
> behaviours is only going to exacerbate the notion of the PMC being a clique.
Are you saying that you are pro-censorship? That people are not allowed to
express their views however they want? I worry for you a
on 1/15/01 7:39 PM, "Rajiv Mordani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jon Stevens wrote:
>
>> on 1/15/01 3:09 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, what you don't like is either
ou pointed out working in a community and with other's code
> is more important.
Right. You refused to do that. Instead you felt that you would go your own
route with Tomcat 3.x even though the direction of the project was voted to
go with 4.x. Oh wait, I repeated that (again)...
-jo
on 1/15/01 8:21 PM, "Jon Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I still agree with that. In fact, the feature requests that have come
> through today by the users even stated that they would only be using it by
> connecting to Tomcat.
s/Tomcat/Apache/
sorry...lo
This pretty much summarizes today...
LOL!
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those things in
the older version instead of the version that everyone agreed upon as being
the future.
Does that make any sort of sense to you?
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have been more clear. Instead, now we are stuck in the
position of having to give people 3.2 and potentially 3.3 because people
have invested a lot into building on top of it. Where does it stop?
> And this Sun fixation? Craig doesn't seem to have a pro
on 1/15/01 9:51 PM, "Anil Vijendran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Talking about someone's mother is just not kosher.
I didn't talk about his mother. I'm simply showing the immaturity and
rudeness of
on 1/15/01 11:17 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll just set a filter - and I advise you do the same. I'm going to ignore
> any posting Jon does, and I'll avoid any project where he'
Anil. That was a question, not a stated comment about his mother. It was
said in such a way as to show that if I had commented about his mother, it
would be as low as telling someone to shut up.
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on 1/16/01 12:46 AM, "Anil Vijendran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jon Stev
be referred
to at all. Pick another name, it will confuse people by referring to it as
Tomcat 3.3 because you are setting expectations that may or may not ever
materialize (depending on the majority committer consensus here according to
the rules).
Where are thos
So, Paulo (who also didn't bother to dial in), I suggest that you stop
discussing this any further and wait for the meeting notes to be published.
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ing all along repeated to Costin by many
other people in a room. Maybe the real facts of this whole mess would have
then sunk in to your brain as well.
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undermining everything that you give as an
argument.
> I have seen other people defending the usefulness of 3.3 and that didn't sink
> anything in your brain.
THAT ISN'T THE QUESTION! Fuck! how many times does tha
on 1/17/01 6:44 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 02:58
>>
>> on 1/17/01 5:50 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PR
y people's mind, it
set a precedent that people have been trying to combat for a long
time...that Tomcat is slow and buggy and that the code is hard to understand
and read.
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ning bugs and run the manual
> tests for the bugs that have no automated test case.
Shouldn't it be a requirement that all software bugs have test cases? Again,
this backs up into the support issue.
> The release team should consist of at least 3 people,
Th
on 1/18/01 2:03 PM, "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> IMHO, copying a web server (written in C, by the way) architecture, in and
> of itself, is not a compelling argument to influence the design of a servlet
> container written in an object oriented lang
n with the Tomcat HEAD cvs branch. For reference see all the email
on tomcat-dev over the last week or so.
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it would be to make
the two different filtering mechanism's match up?
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Remember that Sun does not control the 4.0 release cycle.
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urgery
towards making things more compatible with the Servlet API, I think that it
is more than justified. :-)
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encourage community development.
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on 1/20/01 7:56 PM, "James Cook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Many others seem to be able to voice their opinions (even when they are
> strong disagreements) without appearing condescending or unusually harsh.
I tried to be nice. More than once.
A than having the dialin.
>
> thanks again,
>
> David Weinrich
There were 3 people who dialed in and 20 dialin ports. I don't think we need
to reserve spots, instead, we need people who are willing to bitch and
complain on the mailing lists to a
, that would have been more of an attempt to participate than
not dialing in at all.
If you don't vote in Florida, a Republican will win.
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some people reprehended me and not him.
> (And notice that I was doing this only with Jon.)
There is a simple reason that comes from a very old saying:
Two wrongs don't make a right.
If I'm wrong, then trying to show me that I'm wrong by also being wrong
doesn't mak
didn't you just say
something? We could have moved the mike closer to people as necessary. We
didn't know.
I'm tired of people who can't even bother to participate at the most
important meeting attempting to censor or control me. Th
like him. The last thing
we need is the idea police here to make sure that no one is offended by
someone's postings not being up to their standards of niceness. It seems to
me that if you can't handle having your ideas being called shit then you
should keep them to yourself and no
Ok, I replaced the turbine.jar in my WEB-INF/lib directory with a new one
while the server was running. On the next request to the server, I was
presented with this nice stacktrace...
Seems like it should be able to handle this a bit better. :-)
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A Servlet Exception Has Occurred
s and does whatever the
fuck he wants to do regardless of what everyone else voted and agreed on?
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or Tomcat 4.0 Beta 2 would then become:
>
> Proposed Release Manager: Craig McClanahan (unless someone
> else wants to volunteer for this part)
> Proposed Code Freeze Date: February 5, 2001 (two weeks from today)
+1 to everything. However, I didn't see the part where fixing the
class
uot;, right ? ;))
>
> Remy
I will help test your miscellaneous fixes. :-)
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I'm not sure that I agree with this. What if I want to state my approval,
but don't want to help out?
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chunks instead (everyone agreed).
I know you are just rolling back this time, but in the future, it would be
nice to see smaller commit's and more messages...
:-)
thanks!
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> and cannot set up CVS on this box.)
>
> Thanks ...
>
> Christopher
Edit the url...
<http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/tomcat/>
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on 1/28/01 2:24 PM, "Robert Burrell Donkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> hi!
> (i'm not subscribed to this list so please direct any questions to my
> home email address)
>
> stopping catalina requires a name lookup since it request localhost by
ric "Can't display this
> page" garbage. Has anyone seen (and hopefully solved) this problem???
> Thanks.
This is the developers list. You have a configuration question which is best
suited for the Users list.
Please read:
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than
is clearly one of
them and is also in an area that is *very* difficult to get right.
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ore release. Does that also mean that you are going to
commit to maintaining and supporting this software into the future and also
apply patches that are sent in as well as do more releases? Am I just
confused by what you changed?
I will most likely c
on 1/30/01 11:10 AM, "Larry Isaacs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Jon,
>
> I changed the release plan to not promise that all bugs will be
> fixed as a requirement for release, since that isn't practical.
> Some of the open issues were open prior to the
vor of this plan
> [ ] -1 I am against this plan being executed, and my
> reason is:
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Ok,
He has been sending lots of excellent patches as well as the fact that he
already has an apache.org account. I think we should give him commit access.
We need two more +1's from others with commit access.
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>
> +1
>
> Costin
Done. Keith you now have karma.
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> are now.
YEA!
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> to stream )
Great!
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