RE: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
Larry Isaacs wrote: I think we will need a "go" from the PMC before the vote can take place. Issues about voting I don't think have been finalized. While issues about voting have not been finalized (and like code, may never be "final"), this has not held up other votes on releases in the past. As I believe you have correctly noted, a number of the issues can be addressed by simply splitting the vote for the release plan from the actual release. Despite not having absolute closure, I would like to see a vote operate under the assumption that those that express "+1" and "-1" votes be willing to back up their votes with constructive action. Beyond this, is there any other action you believe you need from the PMC prior to holding a vote? - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
-Original Message- From: Sam Ruby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/29/01 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan Larry Isaacs wrote: I think we will need a "go" from the PMC before the vote can take place. Issues about voting I don't think have been finalized. While issues about voting have not been finalized (and like code, may never be "final"), this has not held up other votes on releases in the past. As I believe you have correctly noted, a number of the issues can be addressed by simply splitting the vote for the release plan from the actual release. Despite not having absolute closure, I would like to see a vote operate under the assumption that those that express "+1" and "-1" votes be willing to back up their votes with constructive action. Beyond this, is there any other action you believe you need from the PMC prior to holding a vote? - Sam Ruby Hi Sam, For a vote just on the TC 3.3 Release Plan, I think we can go ahead. I'll include a note on the ballot that a +1 implies a commitment to help bring Tomcat 3.3 to a releasable state, but is not a commitment to do maintenance. I need to update the release plan tonight to push the dates back a week since the deadline I'm working against has chased me into this week. I'll work towards posting a release plan vote in the morning. Cheers, Larry - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
On 1/24/01 10:49 AM, "Jon Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/24/01 10:06 AM, "Larry Isaacs" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. I'm not sure that I agree with this. What if I want to state my approval, but don't want to help out? +0 it. -- James Duncan Davidson[EMAIL PROTECTED] !try; do() - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
IMPORTANT: This is not the vote! Just an explanation about the vote to come. Hi Henri, I'm planning for the Tomcat 3.3 voting ballot to have two issues to vote on. 1) A vote for the release plan 2) A vote for doing maintenance A +1 vote indicates a commitment to help with that issue. You will be able to vote +1 for the release plan and +0 for maintenance. Note that before Tomcat 3.3 can be released, the release plan must win approval *and* at least 3 committers vote +1 on the maintenance issue. Cheers, Larry -Original Message- From: GOMEZ Henri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 9:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. The +1 / +0 may afraid some people with spare time now but not sure to be able to help in some month (ie after release). Why not just provide the +1 up to the release ? I couldn't tell you if I could still spend time on TC after May 2001 ;-( I'm +1 up to release, and after all stuff will on my work load. regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
James Duncan Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/01 10:49 AM, "Jon Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/24/01 10:06 AM, "Larry Isaacs" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. I'm not sure that I agree with this. What if I want to state my approval, but don't want to help out? +0 it. So, I'll +0 it... Pier -- Pier Fumagalli http://www.betaversion.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. +1 -- Costin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
on 1/24/01 10:06 AM, "Larry Isaacs" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. I'm not sure that I agree with this. What if I want to state my approval, but don't want to help out? -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
Larry, First off: +0 Actually, I'm planning on contributing bug fixes and documentation in the mod_jk/ajp areas, so I'm sort of a +.5 -- I don't think I can be one of the core Release Team, but I am planning on committing some real time to supporting this version pre- and post-release. Just so you (or whoever is the RM) knows. Secondly, some of the wording about release dates confused me: At the bottom of the Milestone 2 release (which is scheduled for Feb 8th, one week after M1), it says: "Should that not be the case, this release may be skipped since the beta release is expected a week later." But the Beta release is March 15th -- 5 weeks later. Is M2 supposed to March 8th? -Dan Larry Isaacs wrote: To complete the task of bringing the development on the jakarta-tomcat MAIN branch to a release, I offer the Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan. Though this version of Tomcat contains no major feature enhancements, it does contain a sufficient number of improvements and other changes to warrant being called Tomcat 3.3 to distinguish it from Tomcat 3.2 and its maintenance releases. The Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan may be found at: http://jakarta.apache.org/cvsweb/index.cgi/~checkout~/jakarta-tomcat/RELEASE-PLAN-3.3 Since I am volunteering to be the Release Manager for this plan, this document already has my name filled in. However, my support of this plan is not contingent on me being the Release Manager. I am will to support someone else if they wish to volunteer. In addition to the release plan, the STATUS.html document has been updated, and may be found at: http://jakarta.apache.org/cvsweb/index.cgi/~checkout~/jakarta-tomcat/STATUS.html This file documents some of the changes that have been completed and targeted for the milestone 1 release, but doesn't cover all the changes made since Tomcat 3.2. It also includes action items specifically addressing the task of releasing this version of Tomcat. Many of the action items left over from the Tomcat 3.2 version of this document have been moved to the "Ideas For The Future" section at the end. This is based on the assumption that work for these items wasn't completed. If I am in error on one of these items, or you know who should be added as having volunteered on any of them, please let me know. It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. Thanks, Larry Isaacs __ Larry Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] SAS Institute Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dan Milstein // [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. Is it a request for a vote ? As I understand it, it's a request for a final review of the plan (is that right ?). Remy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
-Original Message- From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. Is it a request for a vote ? As I understand it, it's a request for a final review of the plan (is that right ?). This is correct. This isn't the vote. This proposal is being offered for comment and feedback. I think we will need a "go" from the PMC before the vote can take place. Issues about voting I don't think have been finalized. Cheers, Larry - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
Jon Stevens wrote: on 1/24/01 10:06 AM, "Larry Isaacs" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. I'm not sure that I agree with this. What if I want to state my approval, but don't want to help out? By the current understanding of the voting rules, you would say "+0" to mean this. If you disagreed, you would vote "-0" (I don't think this is a good idea, but I'm not going to try to block it) or "-1" (this is a bad idea and should not be done). Under appropriate circumstances (valid reasoning/alternative supplied, decision which requires consensus) a -1 vote is a veto, but release plans don't fall into that category (they require at least 3 +1s, and more +1s than -1s). -jon Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
Jon Stevens wrote: It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. I'm not sure that I agree with this. What if I want to state my approval, but don't want to help out? The consensus seems to be that in the context of a release vote, a "+0" means I agree but may not contribute, and "+1" means I agree and will help. It looks like Larry is trying to keep up with the latest proposal on the jakarta mailing list, as maintained by Ted Husted. Ted originally tried to make a case for a separate set of indicators for approval and committed to make it happen (his specific proposal was a "binding" suffix), but that was voted down in favor of the simpler -1/-0/+0/+1 scheme. Even though Ted's overall proposal hasn't been ratified, this particular provision makes sense to me as there was much concern expressed over the lack of support for previous releases. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
One additional item to be completed before beta: usability enhancements ( easier configuration, better error messages, more documentation on module options ). I volunteer for that ( I'll also include few more pages to the /admin for better monitoring of the running tomcat, etc. ) -- Costin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
-Original Message- From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan Jon Stevens wrote: It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. I'm not sure that I agree with this. What if I want to state my approval, but don't want to help out? The consensus seems to be that in the context of a release vote, a "+0" means I agree but may not contribute, and "+1" means I agree and will help. It looks like Larry is trying to keep up with the latest proposal on the jakarta mailing list, as maintained by Ted Husted. Ted originally tried to make a case for a separate set of indicators for approval and committed to make it happen (his specific proposal was a "binding" suffix), but that was voted down in favor of the simpler -1/-0/+0/+1 scheme. Even though Ted's overall proposal hasn't been ratified, this particular provision makes sense to me as there was much concern expressed over the lack of support for previous releases. My understanding it that the text "but to provide maintenance support beyond the release" is a requirement for this release. Is this accurate? If so, we may need a way to distinguish between those who are and aren't committing to maintenance. Both of these +1's should be counted when comparing against -1's. I wouldn't want to lose any potential +1's because they didn't want to commit to maintenance. Whether there are the 3 required committers for maintenance should be a separate issue. Perhaps the vote should include voting for plan approval and a separate indication of willingness to do maintenance? Cheers, Larry - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
-Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan Larry Isaacs wrote: If so, we may need a way to distinguish between those who are and aren't committing to maintenance. Both of these +1's should be counted when comparing against -1's. I wouldn't want to lose any potential +1's because they didn't want to commit to maintenance. Whether there are the 3 required committers for maintenance should be a separate issue. IMHO, having people vote +0 instead of +1 if they like the idea but don't have time to support it is *precisely* what you want. Otherwise, you can get into a scenario of a ton of +1s that say "great idea, as long as someone else does all the work", and where does that leave you? Craig Oops. I oversimplified my wording. A +1 without committing to mainentance would still be a commitment to help with the release. Just not a commitment to go beyond the release. Larry - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
Larry Isaacs wrote: -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan Larry Isaacs wrote: If so, we may need a way to distinguish between those who are and aren't committing to maintenance. Both of these +1's should be counted when comparing against -1's. I wouldn't want to lose any potential +1's because they didn't want to commit to maintenance. Whether there are the 3 required committers for maintenance should be a separate issue. IMHO, having people vote +0 instead of +1 if they like the idea but don't have time to support it is *precisely* what you want. Otherwise, you can get into a scenario of a ton of +1s that say "great idea, as long as someone else does all the work", and where does that leave you? Craig Oops. I oversimplified my wording. A +1 without committing to mainentance would still be a commitment to help with the release. Just not a commitment to go beyond the release. OK, i see the distinction you're drawing now. Hans told us he is going to submit (on GENERAL) his proposed revisions and clarifications to the voting rules sometime today -- if you care about these issues, and are not yet subscribed there, I would suggest doing so (send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Larry Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
This has probably already been covered, but just to be sure... Once the proposed revisions and clarifications have been decided on (on GENERAL), can the final product be posted to this list? I do want to understand what my votes mean, but I am not planning on subscribing to the GENERAL list (I don't want to sit in on the debate, just understand the outcome). -Dan Hans told us he is going to submit (on GENERAL) his proposed revisions and clarifications to the voting rules sometime today -- if you care about these issues, and are not yet subscribed there, I would suggest doing so (send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dan Milstein // [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
Dan Milstein wrote: This has probably already been covered, but just to be sure... Once the proposed revisions and clarifications have been decided on (on GENERAL), can the final product be posted to this list? I do want to understand what my votes mean, but I am not planning on subscribing to the GENERAL list (I don't want to sit in on the debate, just understand the outcome). A pointer to them should be posted here, but the official home for all the policies and procedures will be on the Jakarta web site (once it's updated as necessary). -Dan Craig Hans told us he is going to submit (on GENERAL) his proposed revisions and clarifications to the voting rules sometime today -- if you care about these issues, and are not yet subscribed there, I would suggest doing so (send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dan Milstein // [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
Dan Milstein wrote: This has probably already been covered, but just to be sure... Once the proposed revisions and clarifications have been decided on (on GENERAL), can the final product be posted to this list? I do want to understand what my votes mean, but I am not planning on subscribing to the GENERAL list (I don't want to sit in on the debate, just understand the outcome). If the vote passes, I will update the guideline documents on the web site and announce it on this list and on the GENERAL list. Hans -- Hans Bergsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gefion Software http://www.gefionsoftware.com Author of JavaServer Pages (O'Reilly), http://TheJSPBook.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 3.3 Release Plan
At 10:49 24/1/01 -0800, Jon Stevens wrote: on 1/24/01 10:06 AM, "Larry Isaacs" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be noted that when this plan comes up for a vote, a +1 by a committer will constitute a commitment not only to helping with the release, but to provide maintenance support beyond the release. I'm not sure that I agree with this. What if I want to state my approval, but don't want to help out? You would "+0" it ;) Cheers, Pete *-* | "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone gets busy on the proof." | | - John Kenneth Galbraith | *-* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
