Costin Manolace wrote:
I think you are wrong on this one.
At least on Linux ( and low-end hardware ) SWT seems to be faster, even with the
crapy GTK bindings ( that could be optimized a lot ).
I guess what's more important in SWT is the design based on using the platform
UI instead of drawing
Well I really like SWT , it remember me the old time of UI designing
under MacOS, and the Free Visual Editor is really great.
But may be we should be back to the original subject, Tomcat as TLP ;)
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:36:55 +0100, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin Manolace
On Mar 23, 2005, at 5:07 PM, Costin Manolache wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote:
The PMC Chair has ultimate authority, since the position is board
appointed and results in the Chair being a VP of the ASF. There's
no precedent for sharing the role or having a co-Chair. The PMC
Chair is the point man for
Costin Manolache wrote:
Yoav Shapira wrote:
If Remy is interested, I think it would be fair to have a vote. If
whoever is first later decide he had too much politics/admin pains -
we'll have a backup ready :-)
At this point, I think I cannot avoid being a candidate. Yoav may be the
best chair,
+1
-Tim
Yoav Shapira wrote:
A lot of stuff which can be found here:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-devm=50145415683w=2
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:56:38 +0100, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm at the moment in favor of allowing non consecutive one year terms.
Unfortunately, it means two people can share the job, which would defeat
the purpose, but without this, we could run out of worthy/willing
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hi,
Below is a draft of our TLP proposal. The format is fairly standard, copied
from other recent TLP promotions. (You can see those in ASF Board meeting
minutes).
I've added all currently active committers to the initial PMC. If I've
missed anyone, please let me know.
Part
Did there is interest in a JFACE/SWT admin application ?
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:10:55 +0100, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hi,
Below is a draft of our TLP proposal. The format is fairly standard, copied
from other recent TLP promotions. (You can see those
Henri Gomez wrote:
Did there is interest in a JFACE/SWT admin application ?
If you ask me, Eclipse's strength is no longer SWT. At the moment, it's
more like a liability, as Swing has become better.
The exception is still on Windows (to some extent) where the Swing impl
still needs some more
Should I read that now Swing on SDK 1.5 is faster than SWT ?
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:46:10 +0100, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Henri Gomez wrote:
Did there is interest in a JFACE/SWT admin application ?
If you ask me, Eclipse's strength is no longer SWT. At the moment, it's
more
my non scientific tests with jdk1.5 using JMeter tells me it's a bit
faster than jdk1.4, but I doubt it is faster than SWT. If I had more
free time, I would definitely be interested in a SWT admin
application. oh well, that's life :)
peter
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:49:46 +0100, Henri Gomez [EMAIL
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Costin Manolache wrote:
Yoav Shapira wrote:
If Remy is interested, I think it would be fair to have a vote. If
whoever is first later decide he had too much politics/admin pains -
we'll have a backup ready :-)
At this point, I think I cannot avoid being a candidate. Yoav
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Once we agree on the draft phrasing, we'll have an actual vote.
So, as far as I can read the thread, we have two candidates for
the chair, Remy and yourself, so let's make a vote.
There is also a chair rotation proposal on a yearly basis, that
I would like to change to a
The PMC Chair has ultimate authority, since the position is board
appointed and results in the Chair being a VP of the ASF. There's
no precedent for sharing the role or having a co-Chair. The PMC
Chair is the point man for the PMC.
The PMC Chair is nominated by the PMC, and the recommendation is
Mladen Turk wrote:
Also I would like that we rather make a parliamentary rather then
presidential type of government, with PMC making all major decisions,
thus making a chairman our representative, not our boss.
That is, of course, the normal method. It's the PMC Chair's duty to
ensure
Peter Lin wrote:
my non scientific tests with jdk1.5 using JMeter tells me it's a bit
faster than jdk1.4, but I doubt it is faster than SWT. If I had more
free time, I would definitely be interested in a SWT admin
application. oh well, that's life :)
As you may have noticed, I do like some of the
:)
like I said, totally unscientific eye ball. but I'm also totally
bias. I prefer the SWT API over swing. even though I have to use swing
for JMeter. of course, not that my opinion really matters, since Im
not a tomcat committer ;p
peter
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:40:09 +0100, Remy Maucherat
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:37:45 -0500 (EST), Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The PMC Chair has ultimate authority, since the position is board
appointed and results in the Chair being a VP of the ASF. There's
no precedent for sharing the role or having a co-Chair. The PMC
Chair is the
Henri Yandell wrote:
Biggest warning I have is that the servitude takes time. It'll be a
lot less for Tomcat than it is for me in Jakarta, but it still takes
time.
Well, I'll volunteer for CVS transition if no one else wants.
So one problem less.
Regarding documentation, I know how to use sed,
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:15:24 +0100, Mladen Turk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
Biggest warning I have is that the servitude takes time. It'll be a
lot less for Tomcat than it is for me in Jakarta, but it still takes
time.
Well, I'll volunteer for CVS transition if no
Henri Yandell wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:15:24 +0100, Mladen Turk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
Biggest warning I have is that the servitude takes time. It'll be a
lot less for Tomcat than it is for me in Jakarta, but it still takes
time.
Well, I'll volunteer for CVS transition
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:39:40 +0100, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:15:24 +0100, Mladen Turk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
Biggest warning I have is that the servitude takes time. It'll be a
lot less for Tomcat than it
Remy Maucherat remm at apache.org writes:
Peter Lin wrote:
my non scientific tests with jdk1.5 using JMeter tells me it's a bit
faster than jdk1.4, but I doubt it is faster than SWT. If I had more
free time, I would definitely be interested in a SWT admin
application. oh well, that's
Henri Yandell flamefew at gmail.com writes:
However, SVN has sufficient advantages on the server-side for the
people administrating the Apache boxes to long for it, and the choice
of techs is a balance between various people's requirements.
I've nudged Infra to see if they're planning to
When the SVN support will be included in base Eclipse may be ...
For now CVS on Eclipse is just great and more important works without flaw
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:33:27 + (UTC), Costin Manolace
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Henri Yandell flamefew at gmail.com writes:
However, SVN has
Jim Jagielski wrote:
The PMC Chair has ultimate authority, since the position is board
appointed and results in the Chair being a VP of the ASF. There's
no precedent for sharing the role or having a co-Chair. The PMC
Chair is the point man for the PMC.
Yes, we know - that's one of the reasons some
sleep deprevation is good for you! sorry I couldn't resist.
peter
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:28:23 -0500, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The sleepless nights, the stress, the joy, the tears
Although that might be more to do with my 5-month year old son than
anything to do with
Hi,
Sharing the role ( i.e. the tasks ) has a lot of precedents.
And I think it'll be multiple people helping out, e.g. filling out parts of
the board report relevant to what they're working on.
Well, Remy and Yoav are members of ASF - so they clearly passed the
'Apache Way' test. If this is
Yoav Shapira wrote:
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache Tomcat PMC:
NOTE: Who am I missing? Kin-man? Craig? Keith? Others?
Henri Gomez of course :). He's one of the emirates.
Regards,
Yup, forgot Henri and Senor Clere as well, will add them right away.
Yoav
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From: Mladen Turk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:34 AM
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: Re: TLP Draft Proposal
Yoav Shapira wrote:
RESOLVED
Mladen Turk wrote:
NOTE: Who am I missing? Kin-man? Craig? Keith? Others?
Henri Gomez of course :). He's one of the emirates.
And Jean-Frederic Clere of course.
Regards,
Mladen.
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Could you check the avail file on CVSROOT to see who is tomcat commiters ?
Faster, easier, safer :)
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:37:46 +0100, Mladen Turk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mladen Turk wrote:
NOTE: Who am I missing? Kin-man? Craig? Keith? Others?
Henri Gomez of course :). He's one of
are obviously active, I'll add them right
now. But many of the above are not active, emeritus committers...
Yoav
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From: Henri Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:40 AM
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: Re: TLP Draft Proposal
Could you check
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hi,
I could... But there's the question of whether we want all committers on the
PMC or just the active ones. The avail file has, in addition to the people
I already listed:
duncan,jon,rubys,akv,jhunter,preston,shemnon,shachor,bergsten,gonzo,mode,har
some comments from an outsider, please forgive me 8-)
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, Below is a draft of our TLP proposal. The format is fairly
standard, copied from other recent TLP promotions. (You can see
those in ASF Board meeting minutes).
You will also
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
Part of the proposal is the initial PMC Chairman. [...] This is a
rotating term anyways,
Only if you want to make it one ...
Strictly speaking the PMC chair is appointed by the board and not
elected by the PMC.
True, but the proposal should specify the
I'd be honored to be part of this transition if others deem it appropriate.
Thanks,
Keith
Yoav Shapira wrote:
NOTE: Who am I missing? Kin-man? Craig? Keith? Others?
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Yoav Shapira wrote:
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that [XXX]
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Tomcat, to
serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
Costin you would be a nice PMC member also :)
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:31:05 -0800, Costin Manolache
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yoav Shapira wrote:
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that [XXX]
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Tomcat, to
serve
Hi,
I would like to propose Remy == XX ( he can obviously refuse, but I
hope he will not do that ). Obvious reasons on why he is the best
choice, so I don't think consensus will be a problem - only his
acceptance ( it'll not involve too much coding :-).
I was thinking Remy might refuse,
Costin Manolache wrote:
I would like to propose Remy == XX ( he can obviously refuse, but I
hope he will not do that ). Obvious reasons on why he is the best
choice, so I don't think consensus will be a problem - only his
acceptance ( it'll not involve too much coding :-).
Sure.
And I
Jim Jagielski wrote:
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hi,
I could... But there's the question of whether we want all committers on the
PMC or just the active ones. The avail file has, in addition to the people
I already listed:
duncan,jon,rubys,akv,jhunter,preston,shemnon,shachor,bergsten,gonzo,mode,har
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hi,
I would like to propose Remy == XX ( he can obviously refuse, but I
hope he will not do that ). Obvious reasons on why he is the best
choice, so I don't think consensus will be a problem - only his
acceptance ( it'll not involve too much coding :-).
I was thinking
Costin Manolache wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote:
Personally, I would agree if people did not think I deserved PMC
member status. I would be honored to accept, but would 100% understand
if there were, well... thoughts that it was unwarranted :)
I hope that Tomcat PMC will be one where each
Costin Manolache wrote:
Yoav Shapira wrote:
I think the idea of rotating ( let's say yearly ? ) would be an excelent
one - it'll avoid having people serve for too much ( and sometimes avoid
bad habbits - like forgeting to ask the community before making
important decisions :-)
That's a decent
Howdy,
I think the idea of rotating ( let's say yearly ? ) would be an excelent
one - it'll avoid having people serve for too much ( and sometimes avoid
bad habbits - like forgeting to ask the community before making
important decisions :-)
That's a decent plan. What do the other
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Howdy,
I think the idea of rotating ( let's say yearly ? ) would be an excelent
one - it'll avoid having people serve for too much ( and sometimes avoid
bad habbits - like forgeting to ask the community before making
important decisions :-)
That's a decent plan. What do the
Costin Manolache wrote:
It Remy will refuse - you have my vote :-) It's just that he done so
much coding in this project - that I think it would be good if he is the
first chair.
I think we all agree that Remy is our first candidate for being a
Tomcat PMC Chairman.
I would also like to have
Didn't we propose TLP a while back ago when we were little? ;-)
Anyone remember what happened then? Just curious...
Thanks,
Amy
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hi,
Below is a draft of our TLP proposal. The format is fairly standard, copied
from other recent TLP promotions. (You can see those in ASF
Hola,
What do you guys (parties in the subject) have to say about that?
Lat's put all the cards on the table, do what ever is needed and move
forward. I'm getting tired of all that politic bullshit, but I'm also
aware it must be done. So ... Remy, Yoav?
I'm waiting to hear from Remy on
+1 for the proposal (comment on the scope of the proposed PMC in line)
+1 for a annually rotating chair with an option to be reelected
Mark
Stefan Bodewig wrote:
some comments from an outsider, please forgive me 8-)
You will also find that if a proposal had problems in the past, it
usually has
Yoav Shapira wrote:
Hola,
What do you guys (parties in the subject) have to say about that?
Lat's put all the cards on the table, do what ever is needed and move
forward. I'm getting tired of all that politic bullshit, but I'm also
aware it must be done. So ... Remy, Yoav?
I'm waiting to hear
Amy Roh wrote:
Didn't we propose TLP a while back ago when we were little? ;-)
Anyone remember what happened then? Just curious...
It's one of those things which are like referendums on Europe.
Rémy
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