Chaosmonk:
> In theory I think the torrents should work, I just doubt many people are
downloading let alone seeding the beta releases.
Even if nobody else is seeding the torrent, it would usually still download
using a webseed. If it's working for others, it's possible the problem is
with
Chaosmonk:
> The torrent will probably only be functional for the official Etiona
release in 2024.
Is it possible to leave those out of the download pages until they do work?
>That's a very aggressive release schedule. Doesn't sound realistic though.
2026 at the earliest.
I hope you folks are joking. The base for Flidas reaches EOL next year. If
Etiona isn't officially released by then, there won't be an official Trisquel
release with security support. So if
I'm trying to download the latest i686 images of Etiona. I didn't see there
was a torrent so I went for a HTTP download. After about 8 hours, it was
almost downloaded, then failed, and now refuses to retry. I downloaded the
torrent, but there are no peers and it's not downloading anything.
Chaosmonk:
> It's good enough for simple things like SMS, but don't expect to get any
serious work done on it. It probably will not perform better than your
netbook
I expect that it will perform much better than this netbook:
https://git.feneas.org/disintermedia/public-wiki/-/wikis/Bishop
I have ordered the PostmarketOS Convergence community edition too. I'm pretty
confident that after getting feedback on both the Braveheart and the Ubuntu
Touch community edition, the hardware is ready to roll. I don't mind watching
the software grow and improve over time, in fact I enjoy it.
Great stuff rakubx, thanks :)
Anyone know if this list being actively maintained?
https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems
> [systemd] does too many things. this is contrary to the unix philosophy "Do
one thing and do it well".
Please refer to the link MagicBanana shared:
http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
This criticism is answered directly as:
"10. Myth: systemd is not UNIX."
But the
I only brought my 32-bit laptop on my holiday to Aotearoa, and due to the
pandemic I am now stuck here for the foreseeable future, unable to access my
64-bit laptop in China. Please let me know when 32-bit ISOs are available for
testing.
FYI I still have a dual boot of Etiona on Bishop,
Taranda:
> My system is old
If it's old, have you checked it's not a 32-bit system? The amd64 ISOs will
not work on 32-bit system. Does Trisquel 8 work on the same system?
> I'd like to use a (semi-)rolling distribution like Debian testing/unstable.
AFAIK you can use Debian Testing in full software freedom, as long as you
don't turn on any of the nonfree repos.
Boba:
> Therefore I would rather stick with the description of the synaptic
package: "graphical package manager".
That's your prerogative. But you asked for clarification of what I meant, and
I supplied it.
> It's similar to the reason I stubbornly say "search" instead of "Google"
It really isn't. "Google" isn't a verb, it's a brand name. "App" is not a
brand name, it's just a common contraction of "application". Insisting on
"application" instead of "app" is the equivalent of insisting on
This seems like something worth signing, to support the release of source
code (and maybe art assets) of this unfinished game under free license(s):
https://www.change.org/p/relogic-get-relogic-to-open-source-terraria-otherworld/
Blast. I was intending to post this in General Free Software Talk. My bad.
Can one of the mods please move it?
I'm using the latest Abrowser on Flidas, with the latest NoScript. I have DDG
set as my default search engine.
NoScript keeps thinking it detects a cross-site scripting attack when I
search DDG from the address bar. AFAICT duckduckgo.com is the only domain
involved, so how can it be a
Youtube-dl is now working again. I didn't follow any of the newer
instructions above. But if I remember rightly, I did upgrade to a newer
version of the Linux kernel since I last tried. Maybe that helped somehow?
Centurino
> The situation wouldn't be much better on other fixed-release
Boba:
> You might want to try ppa-purge -h
Will that work if it's a deb repository not a PPA (not sure either way). The
URI is: https://deb.nodesource.com/node_8.x
So, would it be fair to say that this is another case of poor old Flidas
showing it's age? I'm really looking forward to Etiona being released. Maybe
I'll try youtube-dl on my test install of that.
I added a https://deb.nodesource.com/node_8.x repository to install some npm
stuff we were using at a hackathon. I no longer need any of that stuff, and
I'd like to purge all packages installed from those repos and remove them.
But I can't remember which packages I installed.
I tried using
NoScript is another good add-on that can be used with Abrowser. I'm not sure
if it can block sites completely, as I've never tried, but I suspect it can.
Hi CESQ, I'm sorry to hear you are having trouble with your net connection. I
presume you have tried all the obvious fixes, like:
* make sure the router has a working net connection (can you get the net to
work on another device connected to the same router?)
* if you're using an ethernet
Freeplane is in the Trisquel Flidas repos, but won't install:
strypey@Bishop:~$ sudo apt install freeplane -y
[sudo] password for strypey:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
I've been installing GNU/Linux since the early 2000s, but I've never yet
successfully installed PureOS. Also, it only releases 64-bit versions, so I
can't even try it on my older laptop. I'm definitely not one of the Purism
disestablishmentarians, but I don't really see the benefit of using
> since there is no distro called "Trisquel Studio"
... but it would be so awesome if there was! Or at least some FSDG compliant
distro for multimedia production.
I'm totally guessing, but maybe you're missing a GNOME metapackage that tells
the system which apps to install and use by default with GNOME?
Thanks for the tip but it didn't work for me. Here's the output:
strypey@Bishop:~$ sudo youtube-dl -U && python3 'which youtube-dl'
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3YP1TU-L_8;
[sudo] password for strypey:
It looks like you installed youtube-dl with a package manager,
Again, thanks for the detailed explanation.
Chaosmonk:
> This isn't really accurate.
OK, that's why I introduced my sample warning text with the words "something
like" ;) Given what you're explained, how about displaying something like
this in Synaptic on first use:
"Synaptic displays all
Youtube-dl has always worked reliably on my Flidas systems. But in the last
few days I noticed it failing to download videos from YT.
Here's the terminal output:
strypey@Bishop:~$ youtube-dl https://yewtu.be/watch?v=O3YP1TU-L_8
[generic] watch?v=O3YP1TU-L_8: Requesting header
WARNING: Could
Boba:
> I confess that the subtle nuance you seem to establish between an Apt-based
GUI package manager and a graphical front-end for the Apt package manager is
lost to me.
In GNU/Linux, every GUI app consists of a graphical UI, which triggers
underlying back-end programs. Sometimes a new
These are all good points, thanks for taking the time to lay them out.
Perhaps you're right that it's sufficient to remove all non-GUI programs from
Add/Remove Apps (I would go further and say all non-GNUbie-friendly programs
although I admit that's a judgement call).
But perhaps there's a
It depends on your use case. For private voice/ video calls between 2-3
users, Jami or Tox are P2P options. Wire can work for small groups too
(Telegram has a nonfree server, and I'm told Signal can only do 1=1 voice/
video). For larger voice/ video meetings, I recommend Big Blue Button. But
I just tried to test qTox on my Etiona install and realized my sound hardware
is not working at all. I tried watching a video using invidio.us, nothing I
could do would give me sound. The Sound applet opens, the volume controls
slide back and forth, the volume hotkeys on my keyboard also
Beko:
> I know Mullvad requires a newer kernel than what Trisquel ships by default.
In that case, perhaps it will work better on Etiona (Trisquel 9)? You could
try installing a dual boot of Etiona on your X60 and see how that works for
you.
Chaosmonk:
> Users who are uncomfortable using a terminal.
... have no use for CLI-only programs and will be confused if they are
installed. Hence Synaptic would be more useful to them if it did not offer to
install them.
Chaosmonk:
> once you have a sync server running you can start using it by editing the
"identity.sync.tokenserver.uri" item in about:config.
Let's say a member of this community set up a Sync server and invited us all
to use it. It would be better if a beginner, using Trisquel for the first
boba:
> Is it a good idea to limit the packages that will be manageable through a
package manager?
Synaptic is not a package manager. It is a graphical front-end for the Apt
package manager.
Chaosmonk:
> I'm pretty sure he meant trisquel-app-install, not synaptic.
No, I meant Synaptic.
I've been having persistent problems with Abrowser crashing. It's been going
on for a few weeks, maybe even a couple of months, through a number of
Abrowser updates. I'm having a similar problem with Fennec F-Droid in my
ancient Android, so I figure it's a general Firefox problem, rather
Hi jxself, it's a great relief to see you respond here. I just want to
clarify that my concern was for your health and wellbeing, in the context of
a global pandemic. My comments were not intended in any way as an attack on
your competence or diligence, which are consistently beyond
OK, having had a more careful looks at the information here:
https://jxself.org/linux-libre/
... I realize that fsfla.org is not down, it's successfully redirecting my
package manager to a mirror that *is* down. I also realized that the mistake
I made was to leave "mirror://" before the URL
I have tried opening 'Software and Updates' and changing the URL to a couple
of URLs listed here:
https://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/mirrors.txt
In both cases I got an error message:
> E: The repository 'mirror://ftp.linux.org.tr/linux-libre/freesh freesh
Release' does not
Thanks MagicBanana. I will try changing mirrors, as you suggest. But the fact
that both the gnulinux.si and fsfla.org mirrors are down, yet both still on
the mirrors list, suggests there may a deeper problem here. I'm a bit
concerned that jxself hasn't responded on that thread at all. Has
Substance2004:
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/jre-phoenix/ppa/ubuntu xenial InRelease is for
Peerguardian.
Do you mean this?
https://sourceforge.net/projects/peerguardian/
The newest release files there are from 2016, and according to that page,
it's not being developed anymore for GNU/Linux
jorgesumle:
> Maybe it's because Liberapay requires non-free software to process
donations.
I agree this is an issue. For now, it's is a reason not to make Liberapay the
*only* way to donate to Trisquel. But it doesn't seem like a good reason to
refuse to accept donations through
MagicBanana:
> Synaptic can be used as well
Is this only for cloning config between Flidas and Flidas, or can I also use
it for replicating my Flidas setup on my new Etiona partition?
For the last 3 days or so, I've been getting this error message every time I
run an apt update and upgrade:
> W: Failed to fetch
mirror://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/mirrors.txt/dists/freesh/InRelease
Temporary failure resolving 'linux-libre.gnulinux.si' [Mirror:
I forgot to mention, I really like the fact that the Sound applet is now
available from 'Sound and Video' in the start menu. Along similar lines, it
would be great to have other frequently tweaked config applets available in
the relevant menus. For example, perhaps the 'Network Connections'
Chaosmonk:
> It's in the "MATE System Monitor" under the "System" tab.
So it is. I never would have thought to look there. Would it be possible to
add a menu item in a more obvious place that opens the System Monitor to that
tab (and maybe a similar item in Control Panel)? Maybe under
I ran the full-upgrade to Etiona from Flidas (keeping in mind this was a
fresh install of Flidas). So far, it seems to be working fine. A few bits of
feedback:
Things I like:
* Still loving the lightweight Mate desktop. It flies on Bishop (a decade old
netbook with after-market SSD and
Me:
> If anyone can remind me how to swap out the Flidas software sources for the
Etiona ones, so I can try an upgrade, I would appreciate it.
Never mind, I found it in this thread, in this comment by MagicBanana:here
I just tried an install of 32-bit Etiona with the default Mate desktop, on
Bishop, my decade old Acer Aspire One. Both the live session and the
graphical failed, so I went for the test install, forgetting that this would
install Flidas. Which it did. If anyone can remind me how to swap out
I checked that link again and found and downloaded a 32-bit ISO. I will have
a go at making a boot USB ASAP and try a live session and a test install.
I have a few questions about features that would make the site search on
trisquel.info more user-friendly.
* Is there any way to make the search function only search among forum
threads (or only wiki pages or whatever)?
* Is there any way to search within a particular date range (eg last 2
I currently use the password manager built into ABrowser to store all my
non-sensitive passwords for websites. I'm curious what the Trisquel community
think about that from a password security POV, and what other password
managers they would recommend.
In a fresh install of T8, if I
I don't see any ISOs here for 32-bit CPUs. Will Etiona not support 32-bit?
"posting the source code in a way that would allow people to reverse engineer
the code to produce bogus scientific results would make the whole project
pointless."
https://foldingathome.org/faqs/project-details/dont-post-source-code/
Have these people not heard of BitCoin? There are
Any update on what roadblocks are still preventing the release of Etiona? The
Ubuntu base on Belenos has already hit EOL, and the base of Flidas is due to
EOL next year. It's pretty crucial to get a stable Etiona release shipped
well before that happens, to give users time to transition.
No idea if an SSD would help with the noise or not, but it will make your OS
work much more efficiently. I highly recommend it, particularly for keeping
older PCs usable.
Oops! The email address obscura has obscured the fediverse address. This is
annoying. Is there some way to get it to ignore email addresses that start
with an @?
What I said was, users can post to the Trisquel group on any fediverse app
that support ActivityPub (in theory) by @mentioning
Malsasa:
> so you were actually posted here first and then at Mastodon.
I probably ought to have, but I didn't, no. Trisquel was just the first use I
thought of for testing Gup.pe ;)
As a test of the Guppe federated group server, I created a new group for
Trisquel on the fediverse. Users on any app that speaks ActivityPub ought to
be able to subscribe to the group, by following the @trisq...@gup.pe user:
https://gup.pe/u/trisquel
Users can post to the group by mentioning
MagicBanana:
> See https://www.palemoon.org/redist.shtml
Calher:
> Palemoon is proprietary.
IMHO this interpretation confuses copyright and trademark issues. I have
started a separate thread to discuss this in the general-free-software-talk
forum:
Thanks Chaosmonk, this work around worked for me too. Abrowser is back up and
running again. But does having that value set to "false" mean that I won't be
able to use free WiFi that relies on a connection portal instead of a WiFi
password? That would be a real pain if and when I return to
Is it possible for the OP (or an admin) to modify the title of this post to
something more specific, and add "solved"? This could be helpful to other
users who strike a similar problem and try searching the forums for help
before starting a new thread.
I tried to access https://www.palemoon.org using both IceCat and Abrowser,
both gave me this error:
>> Secure Connection Failed
>> An error occurred during a connection to www.palemoon.org. Cannot
communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s).
>> Error code:
Thanks for the pointer to the pre-existing thread, I did search for one
before opening a new one, but failed to find it. Yes, the issue seems to be
the same. When I start a guest session Abrowser launches as normal. The only
add-ons I use are NoScript and uBlock Origin, but maybe one (or
My ~/.mozilla/abrowser/ folder doesn't contain user.js or prefs.js. Only
installs.ini, profiles.ini, and rwjebu0c.default.
I'm currently on Trisquel 8.0. If I wasn't on the road, I would seriously
consider switching to 9.0 repos and running a system update/ upgrade, to see
if that would
hows a PID only for the grep command itself.
Typing: "abrowser"
... into a terminal and hitting enter spits out:
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "topmenu-gtk-module"
Segmentation fault
strypey@Bishop:~$ Exceptio
What about having a web-based app store, like Mint does, or the Firefox
addons site? Could you set up app info pages so that clicking "install"
starts the default package manager and asks it to install the package(s) for
that app (subject to user entering the correct admin password of
Everything seems to be working OK, but when I ran apt update and apt upgrade
today, I noticed the output included the following error message:
> * dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 5.4.5-gnu
Error! echo
Your kernel headers for kernel
Kenogo:
> The image will not appear under the available images. It’s just set as
your profile pic once you selected the file. Note that there is a really
small size limit.
Thanks for the clarification. I can see the new pic now. But all I can say is
that this is terrible UX. Something
I just tried to change my profile pic for this forum, by uploading a new pic
(85x85 and less than 30KB) and using it to replace the current profile pic. I
couldn't upload the new pic and when I tried to delete the old pic it seemed
to work, then came back again. I'm currently having a
Kenogo:
> I don’t recommend running dist-upgrade!
Why not? I do this often, usually to make apt-get install a newer version of
Linux-libre, and I've never had any problems.
As Kenogo says, Etiona is based on an older version of Ubuntu, and software
in each Ubuntu release only receives essential security updates, not major
version upgrades that might break stuff (that's what newer version of Ubuntu
are for). However, E17 isn't a couple of years old, it's almost
Is this the kind of thing you're looking for jaisgossman?
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html
Detlef:
> What use is free software to me if I don't get updates for the important
main programs?
I hear you, and this is a complaint I've made as well. One solution is for
Trisquel users to upskill ourselves on how to do backporting of newer
versions so we can help, as discussed in the
Hi Rached, Jami has always worked for me, on both GNU/Linux and Android/Linux
devices. Did you figure out your issue or get help from the Jami devs? If so,
it would be great if you post about your solution here, for anyone searching
the forums in the future.
That seems to be working. Thanks a lot Kenogo.
I figured out what happened.
When I go to:
https://jami.net/download-jami-linux/
... and click on the Trisquel logo, a one-click installer appears for
Trisquel 8.0, which correctly provides a .deb targeted at a 16.04 base. But
the manual instructions underneath tell me to add:
Jami is now officially supporting Trisquel on the download page of their
website. I've tried following these instructions and had some difficulty, and
described in the comment thread here:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/jami-version-trisquel-8-repos-still-called-ring#comment-145334
I seem to
The Jami devs say they:
> just tried with a trisquel 8 from scratch. Working, so I close
https://git.jami.net/savoirfairelinux/jami-packaging/issues/39#note_16923
So as far as they're concerned it's not a problem at their end, but something
unusual going on in my Trisquel system. I'd really
Because, as Chaosmonk points out, getting the latest and greatest kernel
versions isn't that useful for an old 32-bit laptop, I decided to go with:
"I want the latest version of Linux-libre, but when 5.5 comes out as the next
major new release I want to wait a bit before upgrading so that
> Maybe you ran 'sudo apt autoremove' after removing all jxself's kernels.
AFAIK I didn't remove them all, I removed only the one that was causing the
problem, using the purge command mentioned further up in the thread:
sudo apt purge linux-image-5.4.0-gnu
I may have run automremove after
Ah, I think I see what my error was. By using "purge" instead of "remove", I
not only removed the Linux kernel version that was causing me problems, but I
undid almost everything I did when I added your linux-libre repo in the first
place. A better approach would have been to use "remove",
Hi AyKay, what the users in the chat are trying to explain is that you are
not looking for a file called "yourrom.rom", there is no such thing. Rather,
it seems that "yourrom.rom" is a description of a thing you need to know the
name of.
This is like if I told you to run a command that
OK, apt update appears to be working now, but apt upgrade is not offering any
upgrades. uname -r still outputs:
5.3.12-gnu
I tried entering:
sudo apt install linux-image-5.
... and then double-tabbing to see what kernel versions are available to
install. The only 5.4 options were:
Ignore this, it seems like it was either a race conditions bug or, most
likely, user error (although I still can't figure out what I did wrong the
first time). I now have the repo added and apt update is loading from it, but
I can't actually install Jami due to dependency problems. See the
I just tried to follow the manual instructions using 64-bit Trisquel 8.0.
Everything seemed to be working until I got to:
> sudo sh -c "echo 'deb
[signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/jami-archive-keyring.gpg]
https://dl.jami.net/nightly/ubuntu_16.04/ ring main' >
Trisquel is now officially supported by Jami!
https://jami.net/download-jami-linux/
jxself:
> What happens when you try?
Either the apt update hangs, or I get the following error message:
Err:5 mirror://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/mirrors.txt
freesh InRelease
The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
available: NO_PUBKEY
Quick questions, since I ran ...
sudo apt purge linux-image-5.4.0-gnu
... on my 32-bit laptop, it seems unable to connect to the linux-libre repo
when I apt update. Is that expected behaviour after running that command?
Would I have been better to just use 'remove' instead of 'purge'?
GNUbahn:
> Do we know if RMS was "forced to resign" (his presidency of) FSF *BY* FSF?
I've seen no evidence of that as yet. It's not unusual in these sorts of
cases for a person to come under increasing pressure to fall on their sword
and resign, to avoid the scandal of the institution
Chaosmonk:
> I would just pick the most recent LTS kernel that works with your hardware,
and stick with that for as long as it receives security updates.
I thought I did that, but I guess not. 5.4 is an LTS version. The last
version before that was 4.19, which is projected to EOL in a
FYI I ran ...
sudo apt purge linux-image-5.4.0-gnu
... on my 32-bit laptop and rebooted it and now its booting fine.
This article is a very thorough summary of the situation and in general a
good link to give to anyone who wants to understand it:
https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/
However, it links prominently to this petition:
jxself:
> It might be useful to see if there's anything earlier that wasn't
photographed that might explain why.
How can I find something to share here that might tell you why the kernel is
panicking with 5.4.0 but not with 5.3.12? Is there a command I can run to
spit out some useful
Thanks chaosmonk for sharing this update on Etiona progress. I intend to
carve out some time to learn how to help with some of the simpler Trisquel
tasks, and I encourage other members of the Trisquel user community to do the
same. That way, there is a better chance of each Trisquel version
I'm getting pretty much the same issue as Masaru. I've been installing
kernels from the jxself linux-libre repo for months now, on both my laptops,
with no issues. But I did an upgrade last night before I shut my 32-bit
laptop down, and when I tried to boot it today using the latest kernel
FYI I have opened an issue on the Jami issue board politely making the case
for making Trisquel the 8th distro that officially support and include on
their download page:
https://git.jami.net/savoirfairelinux/ring-project/issues/733
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