Re: [Trisquel-users] Home Folder In Places Points To Disk Usage Analyzer

2018-01-30 Thread davidpgil
No, the file browser is fine. I can't seem to drag and drop anything on the  
pull down menus of the menu bar... Is there a way for me to just reset the  
bar, or perhaps maybe delete some config somewhere?


[Trisquel-users] Re : Home Folder In Places Points To Disk Usage Analyzer

2018-01-30 Thread lcerf
Does the same happens in the file browser?  If so, fix it there.  You can  
drag and drop folders to the left panel.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread lcerf

If you have any better idea let me know.

If you want scripts to handle the table, having tab-separated values (you may  
want to use commas in the cells) looks like a good idea.  What scripts are  
you considering?  I can potentially help with Shell or AWK scripts.


For visualization, a script can convert the table into a HTML table.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread lcerf

This is nonsense.

There is sense: the telemetry component of Firefox sends anonimized data that  
help Firefox's development, safe search warns about phishing and malware,  
etc.


I am honestly tired of reading preaching about the 4 divine commandments  
which nobody cares to exercise in practice and just waits for the next listed  
recommendation.


Firefox used by anybody to browse any site is freedom 0 in practice.   
Administrations and companies customizing Firefox for their needs are  
exercising freedom 1.  Firefox in the repository of GNU/Linux distributions  
is freedom 2 in practice.  And, again, Firefox's forks are freedom 3 in  
practice.


Forks have arisen. Some claim they fix the issues. And they don't. And you  
still defend their bible.


What fork I defended?  I do not defend Firefox's default configuration  
either.  Even less its adoption of EME.  I defend the free software  
definition, which has nothing to do with what the software does but that you  
keep on blaming for not providing you the software you want.


You just sit and evaluate what another one does and whether it conforms to  
the 4 divine commandments or not. And although I have asked a question  
explicitly saying to leave for a moment these 4, you are back to all that.


You asked "Where is the community who has the 'freedoms' to modify things  
when such critical issue is found?" and I only replied to that.  Now you  
wrongly claim the four freedoms are not "exercised in practice".  So, you  
(not me) are the one "back to all that".  You blame the free software  
definition for not providing you the software you want.  If the community  
does not bring you the software you want, it probably is because it has  
different views than yours.  "Different views than yours" is what you call  
"nonsense".


Like I have said since the beginning of this thread, the privacy concerns you  
raise are interesting.  I hope your advocacy will lead to more  
privacy-respecting Web browsers.  Unfortunately, labeling every opinion  
different than yours as "nonsense" is not helping...


I also hope you will eventually understand that "privacy" and "freedoms" are  
orthogonal issues.  Imperfection (what includes privacy issues) is not the  
same as oppression.  In other words, imperfection is not a reason to blame  
the free software definition, which has nothing to do with what the software  
does.


Re: [Trisquel-users] news about eoma68?

2018-01-30 Thread Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross
Recent discussions on the mailing list have covered related topics to
delivery dates

have a read of threads from the last hmm 2weeks
http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook

In summery:
*Luke has run out of money to live off.
*People have started donating money to help him, more always helps.
the funds for the hardware are safe, it just the money for living
experiences.

*Final prototype has been sent off to be made.
*-If its good production made this revision with working hdmi, if it
fails production goes ahead anyway but with a prev revision, without hdmi.

*Apple have put in there order for next round of iphones. As a result
capacitor and ram prices have shoot up by a *huge* amount.
*-In this last revision, luke also switched to multiple smaller odd vale
caps that did not have the/same price increases. There is also a little
technical benefit of doing this on the bright side.
*-Current discussions/lukes facing that he will have to drop ram down
from 2GB to 1GB. As there is not the budget to pay for huge extra price
increase and its too $$$ messy to do separate boards with smaller
amounts of $$ 2GB ram for those that badly want it. Some are keen to
raise funds for 2gb ram, luke says someone else needs to do this other
than him, if thats whats wanted.

*Im not sure... maybe it was he might get prototypes back before china
new year ? if not post china new year...? i forget

*Talks,discussions,collaboration new soc dev effort with team funded by
gov in india.

* Busy getting ready for FOSDEM

err guess i have missed things, gives ya idea of where things are. umm
hopefully by end of year we should have a20 cpu cards and micro desktop.
i suspect they may well come before end of year :). I forget what was
said on the matter so im covering my self. Laptop case 3D printers needs
more dev time = luke having funds for living.


[Trisquel-users] Late Christmas gift for the FSF

2018-01-30 Thread gnugaz77

The FSF got a nice surprise.

https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-receives-1-million-donation-from-pineapple-fund  



Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread studio
I need to learn how to upload/commit changes and document everything  
properly.


I also need to find out a proper format for the matrix for easy visualization  
and review. Perhaps a simple spreadsheet in LibreOffice will do for  
import/export to CSV which a script can handle further. If you have any  
better idea let me know.


I didn't know what license to choose for this so I simply picked "The  
Unlicense" as it sounded most permissive.


https://github.com/anchev/user.js


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread studio
> This thread will go off the rails again if we discuss anything other than  
web browsers here.


Agreed. Next time anyone mentions anything about "but this is not free" I  
won't answer, so that I don't get accused of "tactics". Then you can tell the  
other person to stay on topic. :)


> Can you remind me of whether Palemoon's default about:config prevented  
background connections, or if you had to additionally configure it yourself?


To keep the reply as short as possible:

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/web-browser?page=2#comment-126740

> Either way, it sounds like this Firefox derivative is the easiest you've  
found for which to disable automatic connections. While I am unwilling to use  
Palemoon for my computing because it is proprietary (though I respect your  
right to decide differently) I will download it to compare its about:config  
to that of Firefox after following the broken documentation page. Focusing on  
the differences will narrow down the number of value changes to try in order  
to disable all automatic connections.


I am not going to use Palemoon. It seems somewhat crippled. Additionally I  
don't like the reply I received by their developers when I reported the  
privacy issues for Basilisk.


I prefer to strengthen IceCat and Tor. My strengthened user.js should be able  
to give the zero packet privacy in all FF forks. But still I am willing to  
improve it further if possible. Perhaps you can test it with Palemoon.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Downloading videos from youtube with "$ avideo *video-url*" gives me only the sound.

2018-01-30 Thread Mason Hock
mps-youtube is a cli program that searches YouTube for videos to stream with 
your preferred player. It is similar to youtube-viewer. With both programs, I 
have found that mpv works better than vlc. youtube-dl and avideo are a little 
different in that rather than provide your media player with a url to stream 
from they download the content and save it to disk, but it sounds like even 
these downloaded files work better in mpv than vlc. Perhaps there is something 
about the format of YouTube videos that vlc has trouble with. Regardless of the 
reason, it sounds like the problem is solved if you're happy with mpv.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread Mason Hock
> Back to browsers: The discussion with the authors of pyllyukko user.js lead
> to the idea to create a matrix comparing the settings of different similar
> projects, including Tor. So they suggested that I create a repository on
> GitHub where this matrix can be maintained and updated easily when new
> browser versions appear. Obviously I will have to learn how to use git.

This is an excellent idea. It might be most time efficient to focus on Quantum 
derivatives, since ESR will be updated to FF60 in a few months and the 
differences from FF52 won't matter anymore. I have basic knowledge of git. Let 
me know how I can help.


[Trisquel-users] Home Folder In Places Points To Disk Usage Analyzer

2018-01-30 Thread davidpgil
When I click on Trisquel Logo on Menu Bar in Trisquel 7, Under "Places", when  
I click on "Home Folder" or "Desktop" the "Disk Usage Analyzer" is opened.


Why?

How do I fix/reset this to the default behavior?


Re: [Trisquel-users] family privacy Again

2018-01-30 Thread studio

Thanks for the links.


Re: [Trisquel-users] family privacy Again

2018-01-30 Thread studio
> So I probably shouldn't say that I don't either, but will you tell me how  
when you figure it out?


I think it should be possible to create filter based on mail headers (which  
contain info about the sending server, i.e. you can identify if it is Gmail).


> How are we doing so far?

One of us seems too excited about the presence of the other. :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread Mason Hock
> You are missing the point of the question.

I did not miss *the* point. There were two points: the specific case of 
Palemoon and the general case. My first paragraph addressed the former, while 
my second paragraph addressed the latter. You then acted as if focusing on 
Palemoon in the first paragraph indicated that I had "missed" the general 
point, ignoring the content of my second paragraph. You then reiterated the 
general point in more detail but not in a way that refutes my second paragraph. 
That does not mean I am right, but it does indicate that you don't have a 
better response, or else you would not have resorted to evasion. I have tried 
to be patient with these tactics, and the result is a sprawling mess of a 
thread in which the very valuable information you have provided is completely 
buried in off-topic discussion. They are also the reason Mozilla closed your 
bug report prematurely; it wasn't some conspiracy to silence you, just 
impatience. I apologize for being blunt, but being subtle has not helped keep 
the conversation on track.

This is irrelevant to the important hard work you have put into investigating 
these browsers. If you aren't too pissed at me at this point, I'd like to keep 
discussing that with you. If you would like to discuss whether or not software 
freedom is important, a new thread in the troll lounge would be the appropriate 
place. This thread will go off the rails again if we discuss anything other 
than web browsers here.

Can you remind me of whether Palemoon's default about:config prevented 
background connections, or if you had to additionally configure it yourself? 
(You might have already answered this, but I will go insane if I try to dig 
through this thread searching for the message.) Either way, it sounds like this 
Firefox derivative is the easiest you've found for which to disable automatic 
connections. While I am unwilling to use Palemoon for my computing because it 
is proprietary (though I respect your right to decide differently) I will 
download it to compare its about:config to that of Firefox after following the 
broken documentation page. Focusing on the differences will narrow down the 
number of value changes to try in order to disable all automatic connections. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread studio
In case you (or anyone else) have misunderstood: I am not trying to replace  
the 4 so called freedoms - neither lightly, nor in any other way. They  
obviously have their place and value. What I am saying is:


1. I question and am quite reluctant to the usage of the word freedom for  
something that is really a permission. Freedom is beyond words, beyond  
definitions. It cannot be limited in a shape, listed in a license and all  
that. I don't know why the word freedom has been used when these 4  
permissions were established - whether it was because it sounds more  
appealing to say 'freedom' than 'right' or 'permission'. Maybe it was aimed  
to attract, maybe it was just superficiality, maybe an outside influence,  
maybe a bias, maybe an expression of a rebel, maybe nobody even thought. I  
don't know. But the fact is - this is really a set of very specific  
permissions. I am spending time on this again because I think that if we  
really want to go deep into things we must be very careful with words because  
the word is not the thing which it describes. It is just a description. If  
the description is tinted even slightly - that matters a lot when subtleties  
are discussed.


2. We need something much more than the 4 FSF permissions. They are obviously  
not enough. The world of technology is not becoming more free, on the  
contrary - more and more problems pile up. I have created a separate thread  
about that - so far nobody expressed any interest to share a thought.


3. I am not coming with a ready proposal. If anyone is waiting for a proposal  
that means the person is not serious enough to explore. It really turns into  
consumerism - waiting for the product to be replaced with a better one, so  
one can consume the new recommended thing. This pattern is in itself prone to  
fail. It always leads to exploitation, dependency - not freedom. When I ask  
certain things it is to invite the other person to break the pattern and  
question for himself. Sharing is possible when we are with the same energy,  
at the same time and we need that energy of togetherness because a single  
person can do nothing in this world. When someone starts to present clever  
arguments coming from the safety of past knowledge, from the authority of  
another or from one's own authority - that is selfishness, not togetherness.  
It can never create the explosion which is necessary to change things  
radically.

---

Back to browsers: The discussion with the authors of pyllyukko user.js lead  
to the idea to create a matrix comparing the settings of different similar  
projects, including Tor. So they suggested that I create a repository on  
GitHub where this matrix can be maintained and updated easily when new  
browser versions appear. Obviously I will have to learn how to use git.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread studio
Heather, I am glad to see you are not just a mechanical being using a  
keyboard and it is really good that you are critical. But perhaps it would be  
better not to turn it into some drama. I have never felt abused by your words  
or anything like that, so there is no need to torture yourself about that.  
Perhaps you focus too much on the person and that creates a lot of confusion  
in you. The person is not important but what he shares may be important (or  
not, depending on the reader).


Re: [Trisquel-users] news about eoma68?

2018-01-30 Thread calmstorm

At least that particular processor is resistant to the meltdown/spectre bs

That is reason enough for me to consider it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Downloading videos from youtube with "$ avideo *video-url*" gives me only the sound.

2018-01-30 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
You're welcome! :D

2018-01-30T19:06:31+0100 svenerik...@protonmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for helping, although I am satisfied with mason's solution:
>
> https://trisquel.info/en/forum/downloading-videos-youtube-avideo-video-url-gives-me-only-sound#comment-127256


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread fil . bergamo

For what it's worth, I can only say this:
the human being behind Abdullah Ramazanoglu's words must be a wise one.

Thank you for those words.
If only more people were able to reason and talk like that..


[Trisquel-users] Replicant (unofficially) at FOSDEM '18

2018-01-30 Thread fil . bergamo

Hello everybody,

some of the folks involved with Replicant will be at FOSDEM during next  
weekend (2nd to 4th of February).


I'll be there too.

If anybody is in Brussels in the same days, please leave a comment here, we  
can meet around and have some chatter and a couple of beers (..or more..)


Happy hacking,

Fil



Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread γραφω λογον
Guilty as charged, lol, and THAT, my dear complete random stranger
and/or sheep in wolf's clothing, is the only reason why you know so much
about which bruises to kick to make me dance and say funny things
instead of getting my fool self banned from yet another forum. ;)

Off to autodidacticize myself about tcpdump instead of trolling this
nice forum and annoying Joe. Y'all take care, now.


On 01/30/2018 12:21 PM, great...@riseup.net wrote:

 Have you tested the Tramp with tcpdump? No, you
> haven't!
> 
> Shame.png


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread ar018

(Posting to main thread in order to reset thread indentation that gone wild.)

It's like comparing the constitution to actualities of life. Both sides have  
their point, but no constitution can achieve a perfect system, and no  
irregularities of actual life invalidates a good constitution.


Sticking to one POW at the cost of ignoring the other, leads to parallel  
monologues instead of a dialogue, and nothing useful can be expected to come  
off of this.


Heyjoe I admire your intelligence and the way you handle an issue in its  
width and depth. But please don't overlook the subtle difference between the  
theory (of freedom, aka the constitution, aka 4 freedoms) and the practical  
problems that arise in real life.


I am fully with you in that there *are* some serious security and privacy  
problems yet to be solved in FOSS, and I am not claiming that the 4 freedoms  
make for a perfect constitution, but it is the best so far man has developed.  
It's still in evolution.


So, on one hand, pointing out some actual problems (which are indeed serious)  
is not an excuse to throw the whole constitution. To be able to do that, one  
should invent an alternative better than the original. And on the other hand,  
having a good constitution is not an excuse to take real life irregularities  
lightly. Both sides need to look from both angles, I believe.


Instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater (for both parties), it  
might be more fruitful to try to *tune* the thing. A new rule needs to be  
added to the constitution? One of the rules need to be changed in some way?  
These are all good subjects for discussion. Rules can be pitched against  
actual problems, and vice versa. From this, better rules - hopefully -  
emerge. I'm all in for it. At least it can lead us to grasp just how big a  
quagmire the freedom issue is. That it cannot be completely and simply solved  
by a short list of rules, that the constitution only provides for a base to  
build sophisticated eco-systems on, that a web of peripheral rules  
(continually tuned with changing times) is necessary, etc.


Either top-down (from constitution to real life) or bottom-up (real life to  
constitution) design is possible. But before trying to replace the 4 freedom  
rules we happen to have, I think I ought to point out that there should have  
been an *immense* cumulative brain-power invested in those rules, which are  
evolved, tested and rugged by time. We can point to a specific real life  
problem and make an adjustment to the rules accordingly - only to find later  
out that our modification backfires on many other fronts. So, it must be a  
very, very delicate process to tune it.


But the whole subject is a very good food for thought anyway.


Re: [Trisquel-users] family privacy Again

2018-01-30 Thread γραφω λογον


On 01/30/2018 01:45 AM, Heyjoe wrote a post that was apparently directed
towards myself, the owner of the "Heather" account on the Trisquel
Community peer-support forums, but I'm probably going to answer very
imperfectly and over time so here goes:


You said:

I don't know how you will filter GSuite email addresses with custom
 domain names


So I probably shouldn't say that I don't either, but will you tell me
how when you figure it out?

Unfortunately, I have a problem with saying things like that. I'll work
on it.

You said: Landline phones are also eavesdropped, regular mail can
 also be unsafe, your pigeon can be caught etc.

So I said: Yeppers. I think they call that "history". Obviously you
don't need a condescending tutorial from a random stranger on the
internet, which is a huge relief because there's a zillion things I'd
rather do today than THAT again.

 I said: why feed the mafia if you don't have to?

So you said: The right question is:

But I don't want to derail akito's thread by saying what I think of
(expletive deleted) suits and ties who want to "volunteer somewhere they
can help the poor" and don't even know that Horatio Alger wrote fiction
and think they have the right to tell me what I'm supposed to think and
feel just because I cared more about the fate of the human race than
wearing a suit and tie to work when I was in college.

You can thank my mates, Supertramp and Mason, for that, not our
moderator, David, who has better things to do with his time than issue
me "warning points" and temporary three day bans, capiche? This isn't
facebook, dude, it's a peer support forum for the Trisquel operating
system.[1]

You said: how do you communicate with people who like to do
it. Will you isolate yourself[2] or will you give in? Or something else?

So I said: Oh, something else, but I'm sure ymmv and other folks here
who make up the collective "we" of the Trisquel boards will be along
shortly with more helpful and relevant answers to your rhetorical question.

I already said: If you have already explained why friends don't let
friends use gmail
and the person isn't listening, is that really someone you want in your
life?

So you said: Are you suggesting that one should remove people from one's
life because
 they use Gmail or Facebook? What if those people are your family? Do you
want them out of your life because they don't conform to your *idea*
 about *serious* life?

So I laughed so hard at myself you wouldn't believe it even if it wasn't
true and felt so grateful for my mates here on the Trisquel community
peer support forums, because this is EXACTLY what Supertramp and Mason
meant when they refused to accept my well-intentioned apology for being
such an idiot sheeple with all the tmi that's still in the Troll Lounge
and expressed their own fears that the owner of the "Heather" account
might actually be more like a canary in a coal mine.

Did you read the old thread that inspired akito to make the original
post on this thread? I'm just curious, because I sure did leave a lot of
bruises to kick on it, didn't I?

Seriously, Joe, no hard feelings about any of this and I'm not even
angry at you, just trying to answer your questions honestly and publicly.

You said:  Such computer simply doesn't exist. Nobody can give you that
service.

So I said: But you are speaking to me in front of people who wish that
they could. I am very protective of them right now and some of them are
very tired from coding an emergency patch for the Spectre/Meltdown
vulnerabilities. Please try to remember that when you address me
specifically or other experienced users on tech forums who do not
actively write software, documentation, or have other normal(ish)
volunteer(ish) part-time job(ish)s.

Nobody can fire me, personally, from the desk job I don't have, take
away property I don't have, or hurt the wife I don't have if I get rid
of my computer and spend that time trying to grow petunias instead.
Please remember that this is not true for people who I, the owner of the
"Heather" account, care about.

 You said: So what will you do?

So I said: The same thing people have always done in similar
circumstances. Most likely no better or no worse than anybody else.

If my family and country abandon me and everybody in my afk world tells
me that I'm less than a cockroach, I am going to love and protect my
developers and fellow free software users because they would be all I
had left. This is not something a Windows user should reasonably be
expected to understand.

I'm putting the footnotes in The Troll Lounge, Joe, since that's where
they belong. I'll edit on the forum when this posts so I can link you.

How are we doing so far?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread greatgnu

>He earned that respect and trust

NEIN NEIINN!! That's exactly the point of this entire thread: never  
trust! Always Test! Have you tested the Tramp with tcpdump? No, you haven't!


Shame.png


Re: [Trisquel-users] (Trisquel 8) Problems with installing add-ons in Abrowser

2018-01-30 Thread greatgnu

well done!


Re: [Trisquel-users] family privacy Again

2018-01-30 Thread greatgnu
>I could not even find the deletion option in Facebook's settings. I had to  
get there from an external link in a support thread.


the very excellent privacytools.io website gives two links (which I post so  
akito can sneak on his memberz_fams backdoored computers and secretely  
"delete" ("delete") their accounts ->


https://www.facebook.com/help/delete_account
http://deletefacebook.com/

>It's clear that they don't want you to delete your account. I wonder if  
there is some legal reason they have to have it as an option at all.



I guess they prefer to sift all your data legally. I guess once you delete  
your account they have to sift it illegally. I guess they feel more  
comfortable knowing they are doing illegal stuff legally, just like their NSA  
colleagues.



Now, I'll take example from Adfeno the boss and pretend I am posting this  
through the mailing lisztdts so I can leave some nice addendum in a very  
casual and random manner..


--
- Encrypt it All so they can Know Shit
- free is not gratis, it's better
- "WhatsApp"? The coppers use it daily, Need I say more?
- Once any bit or byte leaves your computer and enters teh Internet you  
should assume it will always be everywhere, forever. Your assumption will  
prove itself true, give it time.

- contact me: don't
- If you think data brokers will just hand you legal tools to actually  
protect or amend you present, past or future privacy, you need to be checked.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread γραφω λογον


On 01/30/2018 11:38 AM, Supertramp wrote:

 I guess that was referred more to Heather

So I, the owner of the account "Heather" on the Trisquel community
discussion forums, am publicly apologizing for initially mistaking you
for a troll and then trying, unsuccessfully, to help you when I do not
have the time or emotional energy to do so effectively right now.

I will try harder to answer your most recent questions politely and
respectfully as soon as I am able. I trust Supertramp's judgement and
when he tells me, "It's not a troll, it's just the postman, Cerberus.
Good doggie! Here's a dog biscuit." then I believe him and am capable of
acting like at least a reasonable facsimile of a civilized human being.

He earned that respect and trust. You haven't yet. Neither have I, so no
hard feelings.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread greatgnu
>This site isn't accessible over Tor without completing one of those  
demeaning "Click on every picture containing a bus. Oops one of those was a  
car. Now try clicking on every picture containing a sign. Good boy!" security  
checks, so I'll take your word for it.



It is. I just did it, just needed to change the 'circuit', click on 'change  
the circuit for this website'. I was lucky, I just needed to do it once, you  
might be unlucky and change it 5 or 10 times.. Bad sigg though.


>or a more restrictive case where you can't even compile it yourself and  
redistribute it as Pale Moon.


Indeed, if I understand it correctly, that is exactly the case. It's  
proprietary software. And we are talking about software here, not artwork,  
not a logo, which is not software.






Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-01-30 Thread alonivtsan
Qupzilla has severe freedom issues according to Hyperbola - it depends on  
nonfree qt5-webengine.


Netsurf is very basic (it doesn't even fully support JavaScript).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread greatgnu

>I am not an authority in FOSS or any matter

You don't need to be, nobody needs any authority at all. Software freedom is  
not based on authority but licenses. All that really matters is the licenses.  
The license is freedom when it's free and it's jail when it's proprietary.


> I am not selling anything. I don't even take donations.

I guess that was referred more to Heather doubting you or me originally  
doubting your chromium shilling, for in my last comment or any other ones I  
never implied that you do, on a contrary I think you are genuinely interested  
in the topic of privacy. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] (Trisquel 8) Problems with installing add-ons in Abrowser

2018-01-30 Thread svenerik_vn

Done :)

https://trisquel.info/en/issues/23746


Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-01-30 Thread ar018

Qupzilla (Falcon)?

WebKit based, not much plugins but essential ones are there, is fairly  
compatible (better than Midori in my experience), fairly lightweight (memory  
footprint approximately half of Firefox and twice of Midori or so)


One drawback (from my POW) is that it is being integrated into KDE. The  
author specifically states that "there will be no hard dependencies on KDE  
libraries" but already there are efforts for kwallet integration. Actually in  
Debian, kwallet was first added as hard dependency to qupzilla, only recently  
reduced to "recommends" (which still translates into hard dependency with  
Debian's default apt settings).


Things may get out of hand and Qupzilla may become just another Konqueror  
(from KDE suit dependencies perspective). I hope it won't.


http://blog.qupzilla.com/2017/08/qupzilla-is-moving-under-kde-and.html

Also there is netsurf but I haven't tried is as yet. I gather that it is  
somewhat on par with midori.


Midori itself is already a very good compromise (functionality vs resource  
consumption) and would probably have been better than qupzilla, if only it  
was not orphaned for years. It is so promising a platform that I'm wishfully  
sure someone will pick it up and continue its development.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Downloading videos from youtube with "$ avideo *video-url*" gives me only the sound.

2018-01-30 Thread svenerik_vn

Thanks for helping, although I am satisfied with mason's solution:

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/downloading-videos-youtube-avideo-video-url-gives-me-only-sound#comment-127256


Re: [Trisquel-users] Downloading videos from youtube with "$ avideo *video-url*" gives me only the sound.

2018-01-30 Thread svenerik_vn

Thanks!:) I was satisfied with mason's suggestions though:

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/downloading-videos-youtube-avideo-video-url-gives-me-only-sound#comment-127256


Re: [Trisquel-users] Downloading videos from youtube with "$ avideo *video-url*" gives me only the sound.

2018-01-30 Thread svenerik_vn

Thanks! :) I was satisfied with mason's solution though:

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/downloading-videos-youtube-avideo-video-url-gives-me-only-sound#comment-127256


Re: [Trisquel-users] Downloading videos from youtube with "$ avideo *video-url*" gives me only the sound.

2018-01-30 Thread svenerik_vn

Do the videos play properly in mpv?

It does! :) Why is this? You say it has to do with "mps-youtube", what is  
that?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-01-30 Thread alonivtsan
You can try Seamonkey/Iceape - it is also a Mozilla based browser which is  
compatible with most add-ons. If you want a browser based on older ESR  
Firefox (version 52) you can try IceCat/Iceweasel. If you want a browser  
similar to Abrowser but with support for legacy add-ons you can try out  
Waterfox. Another option is the Epiphany/Web browser which like Midori is  
based on WebKit (but currently supports less extensions).  


[Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-01-30 Thread sigdpsy
Midor is a lightweight and fast browser. But it is not enough for me. It does  
not work perfectly with facebook. It can not rendering Bangla (as I am a  
Bangladeshi) font properly.
PaleMoon also a lightweight browser and perfect for me but it's binary  
package is proprietary.
I need a lightweight browser that will be a right alternative of abrowser. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] family privacy Again

2018-01-30 Thread studio
I am not enforcing rights on anyone. I am just pointing out the fact that on  
the other side of the wire there is a compromised system which cannot be  
trusted and that by securing just one node in a network doesn't give security  
of communication as long as the other nodes are not secure.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread studio

> it is because their communities do not see those as critical issues

This is nonsense. They have deliberately created the issue of telemetry and  
all the rest. And they ignore repeatedly what has been shown to them. So it  
is not because they "do not see". I have made everything possible so that  
everyone sees. What is the result? I am honestly tired of reading preaching  
about the 4 divine commandments which nobody cares to exercise in practice  
and just waits for the next listed recommendation.


> Thanks to freedom 3, another fork can arise to fix the "critical issues".

Forks have arisen. Some claim they fix the issues. And they don't. And you  
still defend their bible.


> You can push in that direction or, like you do (and it is indeed better to  
not scatter the development effort), try to convince the developers of  
Firefox (or of one of the derivatives) that the issues you point are indeed  
critical and ought to be addressed, despite the associated loss in  
functionalities.


You see: that's what I am talking about. You just sit and evaluate what  
another one does and whether it conforms to the 4 divine commandments or not.  
And although I have asked a question explicitly saying to leave for a moment  
these 4, you are back to all that. It seems impossible to have a meaningful  
conversation what one says "My friend, look at the sky, let's have a walk and  
see some things" and another says "Looking at the sky may not conform to the  
rules, it is good/bad to look, it is good that others have the 'freedom' to  
look, try to convince others to look"... to infinity.


[Trisquel-users] Re : family privacy Again

2018-01-30 Thread lcerf
Why should you have the right to decide what "the other side of the wire"  
(the person you are communicating with or the server you interact with) runs?  
 You are their "other side of wire" too!


[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread lcerf
Where is the community who has the 'freedoms' to modify things when such  
critical issue is found?


There are many Firefox forks, what would be impossible without freedom 3.  If  
none fixes what you call "critical issues", it is because their communities  
do not see those as critical issues.  Thanks to freedom 3, another fork can  
arise to fix the "critical issues".  You can push in that direction or, like  
you do (and it is indeed better to not scatter the development effort), try  
to convince the developers of Firefox (or of one of the derivatives) that the  
issues you point are indeed critical and ought to be addressed, despite the  
associated loss in functionalities.


[Trisquel-users] Re : (Trisquel 8) Problems with installing add-ons in Abrowser

2018-01-30 Thread lcerf

It is the dark theme, which comes with Abrowser (nothing to add).


Re: [Trisquel-users] family privacy Again

2018-01-30 Thread studio

And that removes Intel ME and proprietary firmware? Or Spectre?

You see - you are still thinking in terms of *I* and *me* although I  
explained that on the other side of the wire there are millions affected by  
those systems. It is beyond your resources, beyond your little libre system.  
I don't know if you really understand the depth of the whole issue.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread studio
Please, if you don't mind: I have already given a scenario + questions about  
that specific scenario.


You are creating another scenario and arguing about different questions that  
arise from it. This is meaningless. In an oppression regime you have no  
rights and no freedom. In a community without Internet you don't need to  
worry about the browser connecting to Amazon or Google. There is nothing to  
discuss there, so let's not go off into something else. Please look at what I  
am actually asking (if you want), don't invent other things, don't argue for  
the sake of defending what you were told to be right. Kindly also note that  
the same persons who tell you about all the things you defend wrote:


"If you're looking to surf the web at speed, but with a concern for your  
privacy and safety at the same time, look no further than GNU Icecat."  
(https://www.fsf.org/working-together/gang/icecat)


A simple test proved that it is not true. IceCat makes connections in the  
background and it doesn't even ask the user if he wants that or not. This is  
exactly the situation "the software is using me, I am not using the  
software". So the bolded statement on FSF's page is an irresponsible one  
because it does not show the actuality. It crease a false sense of security  
which is worse than knowing something is insecure. They were informed about  
that. Still - do you see any article saying "We were wrong, actually IceCat  
connects to Akamai without your knowledge"? It has been more than a month.  
How many people in the so called community have even offered a workaround  
(e.g. through user.js or about:config)? Where is the community who has the  
'freedoms' to modify things when such critical issue is found?


You see - giving talks repeatedly about how bad all this is and then offering  
a product which does it is an obvious contradiction. It may not be deliberate  
and due to inattention but inattention itself is irresponsibility. Without  
being absolutely sure about things one should never recommend things,  
especially beautiful fantasies. Yet there are those lists of endorsements and  
recommendations which so many people here seem to easily fall into.


So if you are serious - forget about what others have said. Don't follow  
"look no further" instruction but look further, go beyond. Use your eyes and  
your brain.


Re: [Trisquel-users] (Trisquel 8) Problems with installing add-ons in Abrowser

2018-01-30 Thread jbahn
This is good and I have already installed it. May I ask what your theme for  
FF is?


Re: [Trisquel-users] (Trisquel 8) Problems with installing add-ons in Abrowser

2018-01-30 Thread jbahn
Magic Banana: This is good and I have already installed it. May I ask what  
your theme for FF is?


Re: [Trisquel-users] family privacy Again

2018-01-30 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
I would remove their contact resources/forms/ways that are not
*federated* (this is a little beyond free/libre software as a product,
and is very important, see: [1], it belongs to a subset of the
free/libre software as philosophy).

Email is, at least by design, federated, so you don't need to remove
their emails.

Besides, it's possible to do such split by sender address. Email clients
which support "splitting" and "scoring" allow you to do this. For
example, Gnus, the email and news client that comes installed with GNU
Emacs by default. I don't particularly use it because I don't receive
emails from the "big players" that frequently, at least not directly,
just through discussion/mailing lists.

[1] https://libreplanet.org/wiki/XMPP#Why_should_you_use_it.3F .

2018-01-30T10:45:16+0100 stu...@anchev.net wrote:
> I don't know how you will filter GSuite email addresses with custom
> domain names but even if we suppose it is technically possible, the
> person on the other side of the wire will still expect an email reply,
> not a pigeon. Landline phones are also eavesdropped, regular mail can
> also be unsafe, your pigeon can be caught etc.
>
>
> The right question is: how do you communicate with people who like to
> do it. Will you isolate yourself or will you give in? Or something
> else?
>
>
> Are you suggesting that one should remove people from one's life
> because they use Gmail or Facebook? What if those people are your
> family? Do you want them out of your life because they don't conform
> to your *idea* about *serious* life?
>
> And again: if you don't use Gmail but say - another service, non
> PRISM. There is no service provider which will guarantee you that
> their computers don't have Intel ME, that they run only libreboot, and
> that there is no proprietary firmware on any chip. Such computer
> simply doesn't exist. Nobody can give you that service.
>
> So what will you do?

-- 
- https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno
- Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com
  gratis).
- "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, veja formas de se comunicar
  instantaneamente comigo no endereço abaixo.
- Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard
- Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft
  Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV.
- Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU
  GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF
  (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Yes, you need to have them available, not because you'll necessarily use
them, but because someone else will, be it the person who gave it a
copy, the other which received a copy from you, the thirty fifth
genration of people who receive copies from your generation.

You never know the econimic and social scenario these people will be
under, they can be in a desert, a censorship regime or a place without
Internet. At the same time their status presses them, the restrictions
on freedom 2 and 3 would also do the same in such status. What good
would it be if a given person in a community without Internet would be
forbidden to distribute original and modified copies? Even if the person
doesn't do such things and instead goes on into "doing fixing service"
for that software, it would again be characterized as distribution
(because the person already knows what to do, so they do it over and
over). As for the distribution of originals, it all goes back to the
pressed situation again, because the person could help others which are
under such case too but which aren't fortunate enough to have such
software to help their daily lives. In all cases, the second half of
"distribution", selling, is also important, otherwise how would that
person reward himself for the work they do in that scenario?

2018-01-29T23:30:29+0100 stu...@anchev.net wrote:
> If a program is good (works as expected, doesn't spy or damage data)
> and gives you freedom 0 and 1 - do you really need freedom 2 and 3?
>

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  Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV.
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  GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF
  (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Downloading videos from youtube with "$ avideo *video-url*" gives me only the sound.

2018-01-30 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
What are the codecs of the video which was downloaded?

This will give us such information:

avprobe -i "[Video path without these braces.]"

Alternatively:

ffprobe -i "[Video path without these braces.]"

2018-01-29T19:00:03+0100 svenerik...@protonmail.com wrote:
> When I download videos from youtube using the
>
> avideo *insert url here*
>
> and then play the video in VLC, only the sound is playing, no image :/
>
> is this usual?
>

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  instantaneamente comigo no endereço abaixo.
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  Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV.
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  GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF
  (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM.


Re: [Trisquel-users] family privacy Again

2018-01-30 Thread studio
> But you can still have your email program filter out all @gmail addresses,  
send them to a special folder, and decide whether to reply by landline  
telephone, postage stamp, or passenger pigeon instead of email.


I don't know how you will filter GSuite email addresses with custom domain  
names but even if we suppose it is technically possible, the person on the  
other side of the wire will still expect an email reply, not a pigeon.  
Landline phones are also eavesdropped, regular mail can also be unsafe, your  
pigeon can be caught etc.


> why feed the mafia if you don't have to?

The right question is: how do you communicate with people who like to do it.  
Will you isolate yourself or will you give in? Or something else?


> If you have already explained why friends don't let friends use gmail and  
the person isn't listening, is that really someone you want in your life?


Are you suggesting that one should remove people from one's life because they  
use Gmail or Facebook? What if those people are your family? Do you want them  
out of your life because they don't conform to your *idea* about *serious*  
life?


And again: if you don't use Gmail but say - another service, non PRISM. There  
is no service provider which will guarantee you that their computers don't  
have Intel ME, that they run only libreboot, and that there is no proprietary  
firmware on any chip. Such computer simply doesn't exist. Nobody can give you  
that service.


So what will you do?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-30 Thread studio
You are missing the point of the question. Forget about Palemoon, FSF or laws  
for the moment and let's look at this:


If one has no security, one cannot function sanely (one becomes neurotic  
etc). So we as living entities need security at all levels.


Suppose there is a system (program/device) which has the following qualities:

1. It does exactly what you want
2. It doesn't hide anything from you (it is open) so anyone can verify that  
it has no harmful effects whatsoever
3. The experts who work on the program accept bug reports and feature  
requests seriously

4. You have the possibility to learn and join the experts (if you want)

What else do you really need?



Re: [Trisquel-users] Downloading videos from youtube with "$ avideo *video-url*" gives me only the sound.

2018-01-30 Thread alonivtsan
GrevenGull, you can try forcing avideo to download a specific version of the  
video. Just run "avideo -F URL" to see available formats, and then run  
"avideo -f format URL" e.g. "avideo -f http-480 URL".


Re: [Trisquel-users] (Trisquel 8) Problems with installing add-ons in Abrowser

2018-01-30 Thread jbahn

This is good. May I ask what your theme for FF is?