You must be new here. As of March of this year it seems.
Here's a nice graphic for you.
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snapd is the Ubuntu Snappy installer and updater and snapcraft is the program
to create them.
Since Snappy packages rely on Canonical's servers (that run non-free
software) and require interaction between their servers where they have total
control in an App Store model, should these
Trisquel 8 better not have the ghetto gnome fallback like past releases.
Don't tell me to be quiet. Shut your mouth.
That's because most of the people would rather argue about ethics than the
actual OS. Ethics are an important part of FLOSS, but some people like myself
want a more up to date OS.
That's because most of the people would rather argue about ethics than the
actual OS. Ethics are an important part of FLOSS, but some people like myself
want a more up to date OS.
Ubuntu MATE does more than simply have MATE installed. If that's what you
believe, you are a misinformed idiot.
That ZFS package is NOT non-free and is incompatible with the GPL if included
with the Linux kernel. If you want to install it locally, it's not a problem
as it is only used by the user as DKMS package with no intent for
distributution.
Removing it is an error and was only removed so Ruben
You are referring to the standard Ubuntu ISO with Unity and the default
setup. As for "problems and odd behavior", can you please provide a link with
a detailed description?
If Trisquel 8 uses MATE as the desktop and uses Ubuntu MATE 16.04 as the
reference, the Trisquel team will be in a
Even though I spend the majority of the day in front of a monitor, I enjoy
the break from if when I read a book I own or from the library. It's great
when I need to take a bathroom break too. :-)
Title says it all. Can we get some news?
She looks a little too young. Maybe you should advertise that you have a
cache of underage photos on your PC.
The MATE packages in Ubuntu 16.04 are high quality and fully supported
upstream. Why go back to the Gnome fallback hack job of previous releases?
1995 called. It wants its desktop back.
If you have an idea or want to improve upon something that others may
eventually benefit from, then go for it while you have the interest and
momentum on your side.
There's also http://gogs.io
I run a traditional tower with dual monitors and a typical mouse and keyboard
combo.
What is this "Nvidia laptop with spyware" that you brought up? Care to
provide a source?
I'm surprised at the hardware you all seem to have. I've been running an 8
core CPU with 16 GB of RAM and an Nvidia GTX 970 for almost two years now.
I know what you are trying to say. You felt like you had to be vocal about
something that has been pretty standard with Trisquel the past few years.
Judging from the age of your forum account, you may want to do more research
before you accuse others and assume you are correct.
I think you
Snap packages are optional and can contain 100% free software.
Oh and btw... The Snap program in Ubuntu is GPLv3:
https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/COPYING
I can see the appeal of a traditional desktop or laptop with GNU/Linux for a
programmer or tech savvy person at a university, but if they are an
engineering or computer science student, they are aware of alternatives or
run GNU/Lunux already.
As for the average 18-22 year old, they are
College students are more interested in MacBooks and tablets than an
underpowered laptop with a Windows XP interface. Have you walked around a
campus lately or been in their library? You will see the Apple logo
everywhere.
Ruben is employed by the FSF now, so he can concentrate on Trisquel. He is
getting paid no matter what and why it would be surprising if Trisquel 8 took
so long.
Care to provide sources to backup your claims? Does this regard all Ubuntu
versions or just the main one with Unity?
I've heard that Ubuntu MATE 16.04 is a stellar release due to the love Martin
Wimpress puts into it. This is why I sincerely hope that Trisquel 8 settles
on MATE. But we are
If you gave him a donation, you should be entitled to updates. You are paying
him to work on the project and he should respect those who financially
support him. What are you paying for? Hope that your benevolent dictator
throws you scraps? That you will praise him without getting anything
This project claims to be open, but there is no communication what the
default desktop environment will be and a tentative release date. Ruben needs
to be more upfront.
Google is also getting behind Vulkan for Android which could help adoption. I
believe Unreal Engine 4.12 now supports Vulkan for Android. It's too bad that
Android got support before GNU/Linux and Windows.
I also want to inject something else here. We all know that non-free software
is bad, but when you play a game (non-free or not) on a GNU/Linux platform,
you are supporting OpenGL and Vulkan, which are both open. If you support
Windows, you are supporting the proprietary DirectX. If you are
I think Ubuntu's method is clearer than Debian's since their Contrib
repository contains a mixture of free and non-free.
Mint has a custom update manager that disables kernel updates by default.
Many have wanted them to change this policy, but they are stubborn. Getting
an updated kernel with patches and security fixes should always be an option
due to the standard kennel sticking to a main release. Like how
Cinnamon or MATE version? Oh and I'm guessing you did the Ubuntu based
version (17.x) instead of the Debian one.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/nonfree-games.en.html
"However, if you're going to use these games, you're better off using them on
GNU/Linux rather than on Microsoft Windows. At least you avoid the harm to
your freedom that Windows would do."
I admit that I only boot into Windows to play games. Other than that, I stay
in a GNU/Linux boot.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3075729/windows/fearing-forced-windows-10-upgrades-users-are-disabling-critical-updates-at-their-own-risk.html
I just saw that today that many people don't want to upgrade to Windows 10
and due to Microsoft's insistence, have disabled Windows Update entirely. I
Theora? Eww. If you are converting away from a high quality codec like H.265,
you are better using VP9 and putting into a VP9/Opus WebM or MKV.
I've always wondered how Linus and the kernel team could get away from
inserting closed off and non-free bits into a GPL kernel, which should make
everything free due to the nature of the GPL. Does binary firmware somehow
get a free pass because it's firmware and not traditional software?
This is why I don't use Java, even if there is OpenJDK. Would rather use a
language like Python that is beautiful to look at, remains under a FLOSS
license, and isn't ruled by a single corporation.
I'm not trolling, just actually really curious about this one. AMD's amdgpu
kernel driver is considered an "open source" version of their driver, and
many improvements are in store for the 4.7 kernel like Polaris support.
According to the Linux Libre kernel, it is considered non-free and
I really like Unity, even though everyone hates on it. The version in
Trisquel 8 should be much better as it is leaner on resources and has the
online services disabled by default.
Yup, Trisquel 8 will have a more recent version that is pretty capable:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/docker.io
The Chocolate Doom package at
http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/chocolate-doom is currently sitting in the
multiverse repository due to it recommending/suggesting non-free
chocolate-heretic, chocolate-hexen, and chocolate-strife packages. In
upstream Debian, it has been moved from contrib
Trisquel 8 will have Unity, Mir, and Snap because it uses the Ubuntu packages
and therefore is part of the "ecosystem" I speak of. All are considered free
software and created by Canonical. Whether others adapt them or not, it's
their win or loss.
Unity in Ubuntu 16.04 and Trisquel 8 disables the online searching in the
dash by default. You can manually enable it, but who really wants to?
Using Firefox with the Cisco H264 plugin works fine, but what's the best
method to get Abrowser/IceCat/Tor Browser fully capable to play the content?
I've looked at guides installing libav/ffmpeg and while it says I am good at
http://html5test.com, I get errors sometimes about invalid format
Debian's approach is much less evasive than the Ubuntu and is more ideal. Why
does it need to be installed by default for desktop users? It is more of a
server technology and if you are tech savvy enough to know how to use and
administer ZFS, you are more than willing to manually install a
ZFS, as it is currently shipping in Ubuntu, opens it up to controversy since
it is an enabled kernel module that Canonical ships with each kernel update.
There is also another method of getting ZFS by manually installing the
packages which more people are comfortable with like how Debian is
http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_now_with_ZFS_on_Linux_included.html
zfs-linux will make its way into Debian Unstable soon. Maybe the FSF was
wrong about ZFS all along and maybe the Trisquel team should reconsider the
exclusion of ZFS packages that can be manually installed?
Didn't jxself, who is an important person here, say recently that it was
going to be MATE? It would be smarter to use MATE, considering that it will
be officially supported upstream and is one of the most polished traditional
desktops out there. Much better than trying to hack away at the
With Ruben being employed by the FSF, it helps with Trisquel development and
hopefully gets a release within a month or so of Ubuntu 16.04. I'm excited
about the MATE based main release and how it will look and function better
than Trisquel 7.
Any release dates or release windows set?
This distro is irrelevant due to how old the packages are. It's best to wait
for Trisquel 8 which hopefully releases this month.
I also like how DDG has a Tor address as well:
3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion
You could look into Snap packages, which are supported in Ubuntu 16.04 and
Trisquel 8.
You can install Trisquel and any other Ubuntu based district without an
internet connection. It is just suggested so you can nab updates quicker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1bOFlfkVR0
OpenJDK 8 will be the default JRE and JDK in Trisquel 8 if you choose to
install the "default-jre" or "default-jdk" packages from apt.
Compare the desktop look (and customization) between Trisquel 4.x and
Trisquel 6/7 and it is night and day on how much better Trisquel 4.x looked
with the default theme.
I thought everyone new this. Since the beginning, the "main" repositories in
Ubuntu get the greatest support while the "universe" is less important and
relies on community support.
I just hope Ruben doesn't go for the Gnome Fallback session as it never
worked well and was a pain to customize. If you want to go for the
"traditional" desktop, MATE is a great choice and the level of polish that
went into the MATE packages and Ubuntu MATE 16.04 is nothing short of
http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=GNU-Ethical-Code-Host-Ratings
GitLab got a C and GNU Savannah got an A as well. They gave Savannah an A
probably because its their product even though its inferior to the majority
of Git services (GitHub or local GitLab) out there.
I'm still not 100% on the Snap packaging since this is only version 1.0, but
I have been seeing a lot of text that says "Upload your snaps to the Ubuntu
Store" which reminds me of an App Store model to get and update them like the
Apple App Store, Google Play, and the Windows 10 Store.
I
Did you actually research the Snap packaging format or are you just being
stubborn for the sake of being stubborn?
Since Ubuntu 16.04 introduces the new Snap packaging format and Trisquel 8
will be based off of it, has the Trisquel team thought about embracing it for
custom Trisquel applications? I know it has its benefits of being a sandboxed
application with dependencies included and can ensure more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJyBoqvQg54=1h18m34s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DszoVta0hY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-ynwMZQY0
Oh and there's this guy who really doesn't like Unity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZKj3nAWVkc
1.) Will you be using the Gnome software center? If not, there is the MATE
Welcome package that has a similar function (some say you can install via
apt-get install ubuntu-mate-welcome --software-only) if you have a problem
with the Gnome one. The MATE version lets you hide proprietary
Many people consider the MATE version of Ubuntu 16.04 to be the best version
for its level of polish. This benefits Trisquel 8 greatly.
https://twitter.com/ncardozo/status/720037852768243712
Substitute "Red Hat" with "Oracle" since they own the ZFS copyright and also
have a flavor of GNU/Linux.
Do you think the RMS and the FSF are going to go after Canonical legally if
they ship Ubuntu with the ZFS kernel? In the recent Linux Unplugged podcast
(I posted the .webm link earlier), they talked to Alan Pope from Canonical
about it. He didn't see it as a big deal and everyone is
In the end, this will not affect Trisquel much as it is primarily used for
the desktop. If a developer needs ZFS and chooses a GNU/Linux platform, it
will likely be CentOS/Ubuntu or one of the BSDs and not Trisquel. I'm sure
you wouldn't care about that either since the majority of people
"ZFS on Ubuntu gets new prominent criticism from Richard Stallman and we
launch into a wider discussion the underlying message in these recent
statements"
http://201406.jb-dl.cdn.scaleengine.net/linuxun/2016/lup-0140-432p.webm
This is from the Linux Unplugged podcast at
Removing ZFS packages entirely from the Trisquel repository would be taking
it to the extreme as it is a FLOSS package after all. If a user chooses to
manually install it, there should be nothing stopping them. It would be
private use as defined by RMS via the "Privately, You Can Do As You
Its a given at this point that Trisquel 8 will NOT have the zfs.ko module
available by default. I'd like to see if the FSF statement has changed
Canonical's mind in not having it by default, but maybe as a package in the
repos that requires manual installation.
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/04/06/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-14316/
If you are curious. Be interesting to see when everybody gets this update
automatically when they use Windows 10.
Similar but better
http://www.mono-project.com/news/2016/03/31/mono-relicensed-mit/
https://github.com/mono/mono/blob/master/PATENTS.TXT
Oh and Xamarian is now free with the Xamarian SDK "open sourced":
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Microsoft-Opening-Xamarin
Thoughts?
Ubuntu 14.04.4 doesn't have this issue. Of course, the Trisquel 7 ISO is
horribly outdated and that's why some of us have asked for a refresh of the
ISO (Trisquel 7.1). Nothing happened.
Wow, no one answered the question. You all suck.
Since Trisquel 8 is using MATE, that means the look could be similar to the
Gnome 2 versions if the themes from the 4.x and 5.x releases are used and
updated. Who is working on the look for T8!? I'd love to see pics of how it's
looking at this point.
It looks like he right clicked on the desktop and it gave him
ChromeOS/ChromiumOS options.
So the Plank dock can sit at the bottom and go the full length? That screen
kinda reminds me of the Budgie desktop.
Yeah, I can see where the loading of non-free JavaScript can allow this
without us knowing.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Anti-Keystroke-FP-Wayland-Kern
I was reading this story about how advertisers, Google, and other providers
are tracking users according to how they use their keyboard (how long they
press and time inbetween) and it has raised a concern among
GOG is great
Canonical will be back porting the amdgpu firmware from Linux 4.5 to their
4.4 kernel for Ubuntu 16.04. Something to keep in mind for Trisquel 8.
Do you trust the trove classifiers 100% then? These may be people who call
things just a "BSD Licence" and there is no way to tell between a 2 and 3
clause licence because there is no LICENCE file or source repository to
figure it out.
I went through and downloaded the files that seemed vague (under "BSD" or
"MIT" liceneces) and there was no LICENCE file with them and there were no
headers in any source code bits with licensing information.
These files are DSFG or OSI "approved" but clearly are missing information to
be
I understand where he is coming from, but the PyPi categories are not 100%
accurate. Browsing the site, there are packages that say they are under a
"BSD Licence" or "MIT Licence" and are listed as such, but there is no link
to the source (on their site or Git) and the tar.gz or .zip files
Most Tor IPs are blacklisted due to people using Tor to spam or attack people
in the veil of secrecy.
Thanks for your feedback. It is nice to get feedback from someone besides
onpon4.
Abrowser uses an alternative website to the Mozilla one to handle extensions
and onpon4 may suggest having something similar to handle pip packages.
Technically, if a person is using pip, they do it all
If I do your method and choose to whitelist instead of blacklist, does it
increase my chances of the custom pip getting accepted? I just don't want to
be constantly told I am wrong and I put forth all the effort to get shut
down.
If I do your method and choose to whitelist instead of blacklist, does it
increase my chances of the custom pip getting accepted? I just don't want to
be constantly told I am wrong and I put forth all the effort to get shut
down.
Forgot the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/brackets
There's Aptana (you will need OpenJDK 7) via http://aptana.com and Brackets
via http://brackets.io
I disagree.
Managing a list of hundreds is easier than thousands. Sorry.
Since a blacklist is less work than a whitelist, it may be preferred. The pip
package would include a list in a blacklist.txt file that can be updated and
sent to users on apt upgrades.
The Linux Libre kernel blacklists non-free bits, so why can't our custom pip?
Like I said, I'm spending
Canonical has been wanting Python 3 to be the default as some of the newer
software has been converted from Python 2.
Does pip have the option to limit package installation by licence type? Plus,
some packages may be "DSFG Compliant" but may have a licence that isn't FSF
approved.
Your solution is to create a repository for packages which requires hosting
the packages and maintaining them. Or you can just
I've been going through the site the past few hours and making a list of
packages that don't fall under a FSF approved license. When someone tries to
install a package via something like "pip install ", it would load the
text file into a Python list and if that package is non-free, it
I'm pretty fluent in Python and the pip issue caught my eye. I'm assuming the
python-pip and python3-pip packages are the culprit since they may suggest
non-free software.
If Trisquel had a custom version of pip in the repos that blocked or didn't
allow the installation of non-free
http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=Ubuntu-D-Still-Has-Python2
It seems that Ubuntu 16.04 (for which Trisquel 8 is based on) will use Python
3 for the default and is looking to not have Python 2 included with the ISOs.
The last snag seems to be a Samba printer issue where the
sudo apt-get purge gnome-orca
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