Re: [TruthTalk] deceived

2004-02-05 Thread Kevin Deegan
So if you buy into the "400 different gospels" idea, The next step is the "One True Church" idea. Is this what you are leading to Blaine?   By the way how many "different gospels" do the followers of Joe Smith have? LDS, RLDS, and hundreds of others. Make any difference whether it is 300 or 400?  [

Re: [TruthTalk] deceived

2004-02-05 Thread Terry Clifton
> Terry wrote: > > My question is ... how do you know that you are > > not the one being deceived? > > If it was all up to intellect, I don't think a person could know for > sure. However, I think if a person truly walks in faith and holiness, > God reveals his truth to us and we can be con

Re: [TruthTalk] [TruthTalk Digest]

2004-02-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
In a recent response to Blaine I posted: "...There are no mortal men and women on this earth." I mistyped "mortal"...it should have said "immortal". Perry From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blaine wrote: IF Adam had not transgressed, he would have been immortal. No biblical evide

[TruthTalk] Double Post

2004-02-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
TTr's, My messages have been posting very late to the group, so I reposted one of them thinking the previous one was lost, but it came through. So, if you see a similar message from me come by, please ignore it. Perry From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[

RE: [TruthTalk] [TruthTalk Digest]

2004-02-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Perry wrote: > If I may interject, neither Adam nor Eve were physically > immortal to start with. I'm VERY surprised to hear this response. Why do you believe that they were created as mortal beings who would die? cpl: There is no scriptural evidence that t

Re: [TruthTalk] [TruthTalk Digest]

2004-02-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] [TruthTalk Digest] Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:32:28 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: > >Blain wrote:: > >...Does that answer your question, Laura? Now let me ask you a > >couple..

Re: [TruthTalk] Please tell me this is true! LOL

2004-02-05 Thread Terry Clifton
  - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Please tell me this is true! LOL Stirring up the Spirit You can

[TruthTalk] deceived

2004-02-05 Thread jandgtaylor1
  From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blaine:  But Judy, if what presents itself as the "clear teaching of God's word" is really so clear, how come your stats--400 different Protestant gospels-- suggest otherwise?      Judy: The fact that there are so many different gospels does n

[TruthTalk] arophobia: fear of reason

2004-02-05 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blaine: Do you suppose these men who paid Judas 30 peices of silver (the price of a slave) were aware, along with Judas, that this was the Messiah they were doing away with?There is evidence they were. Judy: Where is this evidence? I just showe

RE: [TruthTalk] Original sin

2004-02-05 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: > Only if he was a man with Adam's blood coursing > through his veins which would impart Adam's iniquity > and disqualify him as a sacrifice for our sin. I'm not buying what you're selling, Judy. :-) If the blood of a lowly lamb can atone for sin, how much more can the blood of a rig

RE: [TruthTalk] deceived

2004-02-05 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > My question is ... how do you know that you are > not the one being deceived? If it was all up to intellect, I don't think a person could know for sure. However, I think if a person truly walks in faith and holiness, God reveals his truth to us and we can be confident that the H

RE: [TruthTalk] street preachers/free speech

2004-02-05 Thread David Miller
Blaine, why is Rocky Anderson and the Mormon church against free speech? Do you agree with their direction of becoming the thought police? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ough

RE: [TruthTalk] Immortality & Redemption

2004-02-05 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: > Note it is the "dead in Christ" who are dead and those > who are alive "in Christ" - Noone makes it apart from > the sacrifice and obedience to the Word of God. You are missing the whole point. I don't know what more to say other than to repeat what I have already said. God doesn

[TruthTalk] Please tell me this is true! LOL

2004-02-05 Thread LaurHamm
Stirring up the Spirit You can explain the concept of the Holy Spirit-filled life using this simple recipe for chocolate milk. Step One: Add chocolate syrup to a glass of milk. Step Two: Stir. In the Christian life, the "chocolate" of the Holy Spirit is added at the moment of salvation. Ep

Re: [TruthTalk] street preachers/free speech

2004-02-05 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine:  I knew you would want the honor of finishing the article Kevin, so I saved it for you.  We haven't been hearing too much from you, so I wanted to get you rejuvenated  (:>)Where you been?  Sleepin? See how well I know you?  LOL - Original Message - From: Kevin Deeg

Re: [TruthTalk] deceived

2004-02-05 Thread Blaine Borrowman
  - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] deceived Thanks Judy. Terry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [TruthTalk] street preachers/free speech

2004-02-05 Thread Kevin Deegan
Hey Blaine how come you censored out the rest of the story? Not Faith promoting?  Here it is: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,590040864,00.html But Anderson said the Constitution likely protects the preachers' ability to wear such garments. It would be similar to protections on flag burning,

[TruthTalk] Immortality & Redemption

2004-02-05 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why would living forever make them unredeemable? Judy wrote: > Because they would be living eternally in that > present fallen state with no other option. DavidM: What do you mean, "with no other option." Jesus could still redeem them and they could be

[TruthTalk] Adam's Transgression

2004-02-05 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy wrote: > Who makes the determination then if not God? > Who is the one who defines what is good and > what is evil? DavidM: Good is defined by the utility of the action. If I love my child and feed her and nourish her, that is good because the fru

[TruthTalk] street preachers/free speech

2004-02-05 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Deseret Morning News       Following a Monday meeting with Salt Lake City Attorney Ed Rutan, Mayor Rocky Anderson said he thinks the city can censor some of the infamous street preaching that goes on near LDS Church headquarters downtown.      In the "next couple of days," Anderson said, th

Re: [TruthTalk] arophobia: fear of reason

2004-02-05 Thread Blaine Borrowman
    Blaine: Do you suppose these men who paid Judas 30 peices of silver (the price of a slave)  were aware, along with Judas, that this was the Messiah they were doing away with?    There is evidence they were.   Judy: Where is this evidence?  I just sho

Re: [TruthTalk] [TruthTalk Digest]

2004-02-05 Thread ttxpress
2/5 DavidM: >..were [they] created as mortal beings who would die?   no; they were 'creatures' of creation, or, of the Creator, therefore, they were mortal/s   God is immortal (meaning, basically, 'not mortal') this issue has nothin' to do with death (of mortals), a factor in Creation ex p

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam's Transgression

2004-02-05 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: > Who makes the determination then if not God? > Who is the one who defines what is good and > what is evil? Good is defined by the utility of the action. If I love my child and feed her and nourish her, that is good because the fruit of my actions is beneficial. It doesn't matter

[TruthTalk] Immortality & Redemption

2004-02-05 Thread David Miller
DavidM wrote: >> Why would living forever make them unredeemable? Judy wrote: > Because they would be living eternally in that > present fallen state with no other option. What do you mean, "with no other option." Jesus could still redeem them and they could believe in him. Why must one eventu

Re: [TruthTalk] deceived

2004-02-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Thanks Judy. Terry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] deceived From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Let me throw y'all something to ponder.  I'm tired o

[TruthTalk] Adam's Transgression

2004-02-05 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How does God know about right and wrong? DAVEH wrote: > If I were to ask that question of you, would you > not say that is the definition/nature of God? DavidM: Not exactly. Calvinists would tend to answer this way, but I do not believe that right and

[TruthTalk] [TruthTalk Digest]

2004-02-05 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Perry wrote: > If I may interject, neither Adam nor Eve were physically > immortal to start with. DavidM: I'm VERY surprised to hear this response. Why do you believe that they were created as mortal beings who would die? Judy: I'm not Perry (hope you

[TruthTalk] deceived

2004-02-05 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Let me throw y'all something to ponder.  I'm tired of scratching my head alone.  Consider this: Satan is described as a deceiver.  We are warned that he will, if possible, deceive us.  I think that all of us will agree that this is true.  The Bib

[TruthTalk] arophobia: fear of reason

2004-02-05 Thread jandgtaylor1
  From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blaine,  Hi Judy,  Well, the point was that they could not reason against him--they might have tried rationalizing, or in other words, making excuses for themselves.  But apparently they were so used to being in charge, they expected complianc

RE: [TruthTalk] [TruthTalk Digest]

2004-02-05 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > If I may interject, neither Adam nor Eve were physically > immortal to start with. I'm VERY surprised to hear this response. Why do you believe that they were created as mortal beings who would die? Perry wrote: > The death that God was talking about was spiritual death! Does

RE: [TruthTalk] arophobia: fear of reason

2004-02-05 Thread David Miller
Dean wrote: > If this is true-Where does this place Jesus when he > called them hypocrites-foxes-blind leading the blind? Jesus's style of argumentation was not one whereby he resorted to ad hominem attacks. Most of the recorded teachings of Jesus are void of any kind of name calling. In those

RE: [TruthTalk] Adam's Transgression

2004-02-05 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: >> How does God know about right and wrong? DAVEH wrote: > If I were to ask that question of you, would you > not say that is the definition/nature of God? Not exactly. Calvinists would tend to answer this way, but I do not believe that right and wrong is defined by God pe

Re: [TruthTalk] [TruthTalk Digest]

2004-02-05 Thread Dave
  Charles Perry Locke wrote: >Blain wrote:: >...Does that answer your question, Laura?  Now let me ask you a >couple...IF Adam had not transgressed, he would have been immortal. >I assume you agree with that?  Then, do you believe immortal men and >women can have children?  Now let me tak