Hey Judy, thanks for sharing this.
Bill
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Interesting Poetry
WDYT "G"
FIVE-LETTER WORD
It shines in the shadowsIt shines
it depends; didn't you read
the poem JT sent?
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:22:38 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Thanks, now that you've cleared that up, I will
go back to the courtesy of not responding to you. Will you please do the same
for me?
Bill
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Thanks, now that you've cleared that up, I will go
back to the courtesy of not responding to you. Will you please do the same for
me?
Bill
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:45:47 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I stand corrected. What's the point?
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Vince wrote:
> Seeing a pattern by hindsight is interesting,
> but it suggests nothing more than that God has
> a TIMEtable.
LOL. That's the whole point. If in hindsight we do see some patterns,
then maybe with a little study we might become a little better at
predicting future events. I'm no
I stand corrected. What's the point?
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:18:35 -0700 "Wm.
Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:18:35 -0700 "Wm.
Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
..I say below that Christian knowledge begins
with faith in Jesus Christ..
that's not true; you
wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:33:27 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Christian kn
Thank you, Izzy -- I think }:<0,
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding."
May I begin my response by asking you to consider a
couple of questions? How are we to "fear" the Lord and be "wise" if we are
unwilling to enter into a
Mr. Bill, I haven’t had to think so
hard since reading “Zen and the Art of
Motorcycle Maintenance” last year. (Beware—thinking
all those deep thoughts pushed poor Robert Pirsig over the edge. J ) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and
the knowledge of the Holy One is underst
David,
Thank for your considerate response. I think if you
will bear with me a while, I will be able to give you a better reply in a day or
two than I would if I were to attempt to answer your questions today. I am
presently reading a book written by Lesslie Newbigin entitled, Proper
Conf
Bill wrote:
> Hence it is neither necessary, nor helpful to speak of
> knowledge in terms of "objectivity" verses "subjectivism."
> Such language is always divisive (think about the gap)
> and always misleading. Let us speak of knowledge in terms
> of a personal commitment -- whether it be to J
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DaveH, Don't Mormans have
'Christian knowledge'? Where does it come from? G
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:33:27 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Christian knowledge begins with faith
in Jesus Christ, whom we cannot see.
Thank you, Judy, for the charitable tone. You are far more convincing when
you've done what you just did than you will ever be by quoting more and more
Scripture. We all have the Bible; we have to be taught how to read it. Thank
you.
Bill Taylor
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David asks > > Hey, tell
me straight if you would. Do I muddy the waters sometimes by jumping
in the way I do? Would it be better, in your opinion, for me to say
less perhaps? Or does digging in on a question sometimes help?
I must admit that sometimes I feel I have wasted my time when I
Thank you, Lance, for the wonderful
encouragement!
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SEAT-WATCH-LEARN
Kudos and heartfelt thanks to Wm Taylor &
David Mill
David Miller, this is why I believe the way I do. IF as you claim Paul
remained a Pharisee of the Pharisees then every Jew must have been a liar
both believing and unbelieving. It's also interesting to note that Jesus
sent Paul with all his degrees and education to the Gentiles where it did
no good
Super duper! Bravo! Right on! Gold stars and smiley
faces for Dave and Lance }:>) yea (<:{
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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:04 PM
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Response on Syste
MADNESS !!
Participating in tt has driven you mad, I say !
Flee ! Fly away ! Run for your life ! Perhaps there's still hope for
you !
vincent j fulton
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:15:31 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I just consulted the stars and, well, good news
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:49:13 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Vince wrote:
>> Watching the stars helps us
>> determine time, the seasons, etc.
>
> But what about the "signs." The Bible
> mentions not just times and seasons,
> but signs. What do you think that means?
W
ï
Kudos and heartfelt thanks to Wm Taylor & David
Miller for demonstrating the (almost) lost art of "meaningful"
communication. William's "thesis" is masterful and, warrants only thoughtful
responses. Those who don't get it should ask him for clarification. Blessings
W&D
From:
Wm. Taylo
Blaine sans the traditional baggage that usually goes with the BIBLE-IS-THE -ONLY-SCRIPTURE point of view. (:>)
What Baggage do you refer to?Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Bill,
I agree that the Lord works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform--there is much we don't underst
Lance wrote:
> David, I believe you missread the central thrust of the
> quotation. It has to do with human constructs. It has
> to do with the distinction between relativity & relativism.
Hmmm. Ok. I think I see better what you are getting at.
Lance wrote:
> One ought not to equate one's
Blaine: kevin, how come you keep putting little punctuation (!) marks in my stuff?
It is a hidden code known only to those that are worthy. If you are willing to answer a few personal questions for the bishop of TT we can give you a license to interpret the codes. but you must promise under threat
Vince wrote:
> Watching the stars helps us determine time, the seasons, etc.
But what about the "signs." The Bible mentions not just times and
seasons, but signs. What do you think that means?
Josephus noted that the destruction of Solomon's temple happened on the
exact same date as the destru
Judy wrote:
>>> As I pointed out in a response to David, Paul
>>> was advised to go to the temple that time with
>>> the four men who had taken a vow to keep the
>>> zealous Jews from making a scene.
David Miller wrote:
>> Stop speculating. ... Your speculation makes Paul
>> sound deceptive an
G charges > "while Polanyi criticizes
subjectivity, you fluidly embrace subjectivism and,
therefore, teach people, falsely"
NO I DO NOT. Please read on:
Dear David Miller,
G brings up a worthy point (even if
disingenuously). His concern warrants further discussion and
clarification
Short answer to your direct q. No, we can't. We can KNOW the truth (Christ
in you the hope of glory) but all of our articulations of that (experienced)
truth are approximations. Do you agree? Lance
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David, I believe you missread the central thrust of the quotation. It has to
do with human constructs. It has to do with the distinction between
relativity & relativism. One ought not to equate one's statement of the
truth with the TRUTH. One could only wish that all scripture was
self-interpretin
Lance wrote:
> "God grant that your mental horizon may grow wider
> every day. Systems are only dear to those who cannot
> take the whole truth into their hands and who want
> to catch it by the tail. A system is like the tail
> of truth but truth is like a lizard. It will leave
> its tail in
I just consulted the stars and, well, good news and bad. The bad news is,
they said you are not going to get a job, in any field, because you're not a
farmer [:>( The good news is, you might get one somewhere else {:>)
hehe
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In a message dated
3/25/2004 1:01:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
john: What we call the "social gospel" is not without merit as I read Isa
58:9-11. Romans 2:18ff shows that there is at least a
second path to God other than preaching the gos
Astrology: An ancient fatalistic system of divination using the position of the planets, moon and sun in the twelve Zodiac positions at the moment of ones birth to gain occult or hidden knowledge of the future.
Occult divination and reading omens is condemned in Deut. 18:9 - 12 and Daniel 5:7 Th
Astrology is testable? Here's a test: I was born on Dec 20, 1950.
Predict for me when I will find a job. For bonus points, tell me in what
career field that job will be.
vincent j. fulton
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:32:11 -0700 "Blaine Borrowman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Blaine: This has no
Watching the stars helps us determine time, the seasons, etc.
Astrology does not have theories about the universe. A theory is
testable and the results of those tests are reproducable by other trained
scientists. Astrological myths are not the same as a theory.
I don't believe tha
In a message dated 3/25/2004 1:01:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What we call the "social gospel" is not without merit as I read Isa 58:9-11.
Romans 2:18ff shows that there is at least a second path to God other than preaching the gospel. John
jt: No John, there
The Vicarious Life and Death of the Mediator: Perhaps the most
fundamentaltruth which we have to learn in the Christian Church, or perhaps
ratherrelearn since we have suppressed it, is that the Incarnation was the
comingof God to save us in the heart of our fallen and depraved humanity,
wh
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy
wrote:> As I pointed out in a response to David, Paul > was
advised to go to the temple that time with> the four men who had taken a
vow to keep the > zealous Jews from making a scene.
Stop speculating. Get your viewpoint from the Bible. Right
The Vicarious Life and Death of the Mediator: Perhaps the most fundamental
truth which we have to learn in the Christian Church, or perhaps rather
relearn since we have suppressed it, is that the Incarnation was the coming
of God to save us in the heart of our fallen and depraved humanity, where
hu
By BoM accounts Barley should be discovered everywhereBlaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine: Sorry, but I got so far behind, I started deleting posts without reading them--it was the only way I could catch up and get current. (:>) I even deleted DavidM's posts, which I am usual
In what Museum did you say King Noah's ornaments are located?
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine: In the Book of Mosiah in the BoM, King Noah, a wicked Nephite King, built many elegant buildings and "ornamented them with fine work of wood, and of all manner of precious things,
Discovery of just ONE senum or ONE shiblon should do it. With many coins in circulation this should be easy as we have many discovered coins from the Bible era.
Thousands of Biblical sites have been discovered. Just one Nephite city will do.
The alledged discovery of barley proves nothing about t
"God grant that your mental horizon may grow wider every day. Systems are
only dear to those who cannot take the whole truth into their hands and who
want to catch it by the tail. A system is like the tail of truth but truth
is like a lizard. It will leave its tail in your hands and then escape you
Judy wrote:
> Jesus is not validating philosophy and
> subjectivism here.
Why are you adding philosophy here? That was not my question. My
question concerned subjectivism, not philosophy.
Judy wrote:
> Doing God's will incurs His blessing which
> causes ourselves and others to know he is
>
Judy wrote:
> As I pointed out in a response to David, Paul
> was advised to go to the temple that time with
> the four men who had taken a vow to keep the
> zealous Jews from making a scene.
Stop speculating. Get your viewpoint from the Bible. Rightly divide
the Word of God. Your speculatio
With over 200 LDS Splinter groups claiming to be a "restoration" and followers of JoE Smith, how does this equate to ONE faith?David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine wrote:> You didn't finish the passage, which reads, > "one Lord, one faith, one baptism." Eph 4:5> I am curious, in your opin
Plaza guards bounce students
By Heather May and Linda Fantin The Salt Lake Tribune You can't speak freely on the Main Street Plaza. And, it turns out, you can't speak about speaking freely, either. ACLU Executive Director Dani Eyer was supposed to talk to 25 West High students about f
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Blaine:
I think Paul was a disciple of an important Pharisee--Hillel-- before he was
converted to Christ, and this training gave him the fertilefield he needed
to fully understand and explain Christ to the disciples who,although
sincere, did not h
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Bill,
I agree that the Lord works in mysterious ways his
wonders to perform--
there is much we don't understand that he
does, and I guess the bottom l
ine is--whatever works, works, huh?
Advocates of BIBLE ONLY scriptures might take
offense a
jt: I wouldn't agree. Jesus is not validating
philosophy and
subjectivism here. He is speaking of the
blessings of obedience vs
the curse of disobedience. Doing God's will
incurs His blessing
which causes ourselves and others to know he is in our
midst.
We can not interpret scripture thro
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy wrote: There
is ONE Lord
Blaine: You didn't
finish the passage, which reads,
"one Lord, one faith, one
baptism." Eph 4:5. I am curious,
in your opinion, does modern
Christianity fulfill this
scripture?
jt: I'm not sure what you see
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Blaine: This has nothing to do with my Mormon
upbringing, but I beg to differ with your statement,
vf:" Astrology is not science. They
make observations, but they have notheories to explain the universe or any
part of it. Their ideas cannot be
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To whet your
appetite for more, I share the following from Torrance's book, "The Mediation of
Christ":
"All through the incarnate life and activity of the Lord Jesus we are shown
that 'all of grace' does not mean 'nothing of man', but precisely the o
ï
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated
3/24/2004 4:31:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
âThe wealth of the wicked is stored up for the
righteous.â (Prov.13:22)
Sometimes that âwealthâ is a
discovery or a method that works. Izzy
john: Very well stated. I am and ha
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated
3/24/2004 1:14:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "I AM
A PHARISEE" not "I was a Pharisee." john: In addition to this observation, Paul did not
leave behind the practice of Old Covenant
Law.
Let's not forget that he went th
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a
message dated 3/24/2004 6:47:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was raised in a denomination with a social
gospel which was death to me.
What we call the "social gospel" is not without merit as I read Isa
58:9-11. Romans 2:18ff shows
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