GENTS, SAINTS SINNERS:
(I USE THE MIXED-ADDRESSEE LABEL ABOVE, BECAUSE I AM ALSO ADDRESSING "TRUTH TALK", AND SOME THEREON LIKE JOHN SMITHSON CONFESS THAT CHRISTIANS LIKE THEM OFT EAT THEIR VOMIT OF SIN BECOME WASHED ONLY TO WALLOW AGAIN IN THE MIRE, LIKE A PIG.)
I HEREIN REPORT ON MY
Tape, Capturing the Friedmans, Vernica Guerin, The
Big Kahuna, 21 Grams, Mystic River, An American Gun, Hysterical Blindness,
Stolen Summer, Whale Rider. To quote Rikk Watts: "Why do Pagans make all the
good movies"?
From:
Lance
Muir
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 03,
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]I'll
supplement my earlier post on this (see archives).
1. The conscience of "fallen" HK (Human kind) does not have veridical
(coinciding with reality) access.
What many assume to be conscience is just socialization.
2) Who we are at 6 is who we are at
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JT: We don't need to be honest about our shortcomings,
they see them.
That is exactly why we need to be honest Judy. To deny what is
obvious
to others makes us hypocrites. Terry
jt: I'm not talking about "walking in denial" Terry. We
are under no
WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO: Read #1 again then
respond to my meaning. If you don't know what I meant (seriously) I'll explain.
This is another example of that wonderful post by David Miller re: the
correspondence between you I. Did you read that post? Did you take ITS
meaning?Please Judy,
In a message dated 4/3/2004 3:22:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll supplement my earlier post on this (see archives).
How do we access the archieves?
J
In a message dated 4/3/2004 4:13:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That is exactly why we need to be honest Judy. To deny what is obvious to others makes us hypocrites.
Terry
Exactly
J
archives: main site separate listing??I did it
once. If I'm wrong someone will tell you. Lance Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 03, 2004 09:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Too few
responses to a great question on CHANGE?
To access the archives go to:
www.mail-archive.com
Enter truthtalk in the box and click Find List (or press return).
Then click on the TruthTalk link.
There is usually a lag from time of posting until it appears in the
archive.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
In a message dated 4/3/2004 3:22:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The conscience of "fallen" HK (Human kind) does not have veridical (coinciding with reality) access.
I understand "veridical" -- but access to what?
J
Absolute right wrong. lance
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 03, 2004 09:54
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Too few
responses to a great question on CHANGE?
In a
message dated 4/3/2004 3:22:31 AM Pacific Standard
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That is exactly why we need to be honest Judy.
To deny what is obvious to others makes us hypocrites. Terry
john: Exactly
jt: You are both reading into my words what I haven't
said.
I don't advocate denial or hypocrisy but we need to
NWR
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 03, 2004 10:01
Subject: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it
evil?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That is exactly why we need to be honest Judy.
To deny
Then what you are saying Lance is that God is
unreasonable and unjust
because he expects something from us that we are
incapable of. His
standard is too high and we remain deceived
andhelpless, creatures of
darkness. Before you say that Jesus is the answer
and we are OK
because of what he
NOPE! You shouldn't use the words "say" and "mean"
interchangeably, Judy. You've missed my meaning again. If you require
clarification so as to respond to what I did mean then, just ask. Thanks,
Lance
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK Lance, I'm asking,
What did you mean? jt
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]NOPE! You
shouldn't use the words "say" and "mean" interchangeably,
Judy. You've missed my meaning again. If you require clarification
so as to respond to what I did mean then, just ask. Thanks, Lance
jt: Then
Conscience is determined by the conventions of a
social grouping as I see it. Example: Same sex
marriage
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 03, 2004 10:43
Subject: [TruthTalk] Access to Absolute
Right and Wrong
OK
jt: Lance, do you make no distinction between the holy
and the
profane? the righteous vs unrighteous etc? Same
sex marriage
is for the condemned who will not come to the light
because
their deeds are evil. jtFrom:
"Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Conscience
is determined by the conventions
Imagine yourself at the steps of the courthouse in
San Francisco. Out comes Rosie O'Donnel and a Christian says to her: "What you
are doing is wrong in the eyes of God". Will Rosie's conscience bother her? Why?
Lance
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 03,
Jim,
I have asked you privately on two occasions not to use profanity and to
avoid ad-hominem attacks. Truth-talk is a DISCUSSION forum, one in which
individuals can engage in meaningful debate about religous topics. It is not
a forum for 1) making ad-hominen attacks, 2) slandering others,
I've not read through the archives yet to research
the topic of I John, to see whether it has been beat to death -- this reason the
beloved Apostle wrote the letter in the first place. And so if this is old news
or if it is something you have already studied, then disregard my argument --
You lost me Lance. What does NWR mean?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:12
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is
it evil?
NWR
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
I'm sorry, Perry, I read far enough to know that you sent this to the wrong
pervert }:)
Bill Taylor
- Original Message -
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Reprimand to Jim Elsman
Jim,
I
And then I see it posted on TT. WHAT'S GOING ON?
- Original Message -
From: Wm. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Reprimand to Jim Elsman
I'm sorry, Perry, I read far enough to know that you sent this to the
I get it. I thought this had been sent to me privately by mistake. Then I
responded and it popped up on TT. And then I was truly confused. Earth to
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Wm. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: Re:
To Judy and others:
Do you think it would be helpful if I wrote a few
words explaining the distinction between syntax and semantics? Much of what
divides us and frustrates us here on TT is rooted in our use andmisuse of
language: our misunderstanding of how it works. I know you don't
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Imagine
yourself at the steps of the courthouse in San Francisco.
Out comes Rosie O'Donnel and a Christian says to her:
"What you are doing is wrong in the eyes of God".
Will Rosie's conscience bother her? Why? Lance
jt: No, Rosie believes the lie and so
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To Judy and others:
Do you think it would be helpful if I wrote a few words explaining
the distinction between syntax and semantics? Much of what divides
us and frustrates us here on TT is rooted in our use and misuse of
language: our misunderstanding of
Evidently you've already heard all you want about I
John. But I'm not convinced you heard all you need. Hence I'm posting this
again.
Bill
To TTers, DavidM and John especially,
I've not read through the archives yet to research
the topic of I John, to see whether it has been beat to
I would be interested in reading your paper on Artemis
of Ephesus
Bill. jt
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Evidently you've already heard all you want about I
John. But I'm not convinced you heard all you need. Hence I'm posting this
again.
Bill
To TTers, DavidM and John
Judy Taylor wrote:
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To
Judy and others:Do you think it would be helpful if I wrote a few words
explainingthe distinction between syntax and semantics? Much of what dividesus
and frustrates us here on TT is rooted in our use and misuse oflanguage:
our
In a message dated 4/3/2004 9:18:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Gnostics
I am still reading your post, BiilT - so you probably say this, but "perfectionism" was originally a gnostic doctrine.
Anyway- back to your post.
John
In a message dated 4/3/2004 10:30:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To TTers, DavidM and John especially,
I'm still reading. I am in on a lunch break and won't be able to respond until this evening.
Your thoughts on syntax and semantics would be appreciated. You know,
We gottem, guys. The perfect way to defeat these evile Mormons. Give them so many posts they can't respond and we CLAIM victory in the spirit of "quantitative" debate.
(Sometimes I just amaze myelf)
John
In a message dated 4/3/2004 11:39:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We gottem,
guys. The perfect way to defeat these evile Mormons.
DAVEH: Ahh.I didn't know your intention was to defeat me,
John. Thought I know you posted this in a humorous light, I think
it reflects the attitude of many TTers. When you think about the
intent of
DAVEH:
Our Heavenly Father (the father of our spirits) is our main guy, John.
Jesus is his only begotten Son and is also our Elder Brother has made sacrifice
in our behalf which makes our return to heaven to be possible. By
virtue of his grace are we saved (from both physical and spiritual
Wm. Taylor wrote:
To Judy and others:
Do you think it would be helpful if
I wrote a few words explaining the distinction between syntax and
semantics? Much of what divides us and frustrates us here on TT is
rooted in our use andmisuse of language: our misunderstanding of how
In a message dated 4/3/2004 5:18:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We gottem, guys. The perfect way to defeat these evile Mormons.
DAVEH: Ahh.I didn't know your intention was to defeat me, John. Thought I know you posted this in a
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