Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2004-01-17 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: You are grabbing at straws, Perry. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben DavidH, I am aftraid I can't buy your presentation of 2 Sam 12:7-8 as a

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: I don't blame you. These are Kevins words and do not reflect the doctrines of the LDS Church. Kevin, when are you going to stop misrepresenting Mormon religion? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14,

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: What I hear Kevin saying is that since he is outraged we should all join in and share his outrage. Am I right, Kevin? Actually I am outraged at most of what he says, since it is mostly a pack of misrepresentations. Whether he does this through ignorance or by deliberation, I am not

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
always existed, exists, and will always exist independently from the universe. Your turn to give the Mormon twist. Perry From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:29:13

Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners?

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners? In a message dated 1/15/2004 5:49:48 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners?

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners? Blaine writes: Logical? conclusions, Kevin? You mean Kevin's brand of making logical conclusions,

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: Kevin's doctrines are his own, not the doctrines of the LDS Church. I don't blame you for not accepting this nonsense he preaches. Kevin, are you planning to start a new church with all this offel? If so, I don't think anyone will join. You will be an organization of ONE. -

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
sun. There are also billions of galaxies. Get my drift, Kevin? Need I say more, or shall I continueto spell it all out for you? Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
, as the BoM predicts, A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible and we need no more Bible. (1 Nephi 29:3) From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:48:53 -0700 Blaine, maybe you can help me understand

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
- Original Message - From: Dave To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD Kevin Deegan wrote: Not only should you not agree, you should be outraged at what LDS theology teaches!GOD

Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners?

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
has No End! Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin wrote: The One ONLY TRUE God of the BibleWas ALWAYS God Ps 90:2 "from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" Blaine wri

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
with Extraterrestials or just "Messengers" from the Unseen Realm? **Blaine: Nope Have you talked to any of your relatives on the other side? **Blaine: no,but oncelistened to what one had to say. Did they Testify that Mormonism is true? **Blaine: no, not directly. Blaine Borrow

Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners?

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
sinners? Rabbi Blaine, are you a child of Israel? From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:05:34 -0700 Blaine: The OT tells us we should keep the 7th day

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: You mean Perry? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD Dean Moore Fear God and keep His commandments/ trust Jesus

Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
LOL - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] suffering ego Blaine, I would challenge to a battle of the wits, but I never fight an unarmed man. From: Blaine Borrowman

Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego

2004-01-16 Thread Blaine Borrowman
man. From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] suffering ego Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:43:05 -0700 Perry writes: I agree that Abraham was an adulterer, and Jacob was an adulterer, and Moses was a murderer

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-15 Thread Blaine Borrowman
. . . - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-15 Thread Blaine Borrowman
alk] Adams FALL UPWARD From: "Blaine Borrowman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, they (Adam and Michael) are one and the same--Michael was an archangel in the pre-existence, and was the first mortal man, Adam, in the flesh. Gabriel is, according to LDS theology, associated with Noah, and w

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-15 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: I know of no scripture, Mormon or otherwise, that sheds light on how the Father arrived at his knowledge of good and evil. John the Baptist ate honey and locusts, in order that he might know the difference between good and evil, the bitter and the sweet. There are many experiences we

Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2004-01-15 Thread Blaine Borrowman
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben In a message dated 1/13/2004 6:23:17 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-15 Thread Blaine Borrowman
ht?But why did he choose this earth of all earths toatone for the sins of mankind Kevin? You likeasking questions, let's see if youcan answer one. Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine: Other gods? When the plural is used by Mormons, it means God theFather, Je

Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners?

2004-01-15 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine writes: Logical? conclusions, Kevin? You mean Kevin's brand of making "logical conclusions," don't you? You could only derive your interpretation of the quotes you have furnished us with (so generously) if you wanted to prove your own belief that Mormons believe something they really

Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners?

2004-01-15 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine writes:If you aredefining "mortal"as having carnal tendencies, we all--including Jesus Christ--inherited those from the fall of Adam. He just overcame them without sinning, something the rest of us have apparently not been able to do. God may have been a Jesus Christ type person, a

Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners?

2004-01-15 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Kevin wrote: The One ONLY TRUE God of the BibleWas ALWAYS God Ps 90:2 "from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" Blaine writes: Kevin, how long is "everlasting to everlasting?" - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-15 Thread Blaine Borrowman
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD In a message dated 1/13/2004 5:20:26 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes,

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-14 Thread Blaine Borrowman
ot;. . . before Abraham was, I AM.) Perry From: "Blaine Borrowman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:18:16 -0700 Yes, they (Adam and Michael) are one and the same--Michael was

Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2004-01-14 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben Blaine, What priciple was taught by eating dung? Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine: DavidM, your examples are persuasive, but for one thing--there wassymbolism in what these Biblical prophets were called upon to do

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-13 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: Kevin is telling us a scanty version of Mormon doctrine.Hopefully I can fill in the gaps, giving you a more complete understanding. AsI understand it, the doctrine of the LDS Church is, basically, that the earth and all therein was first created spiritually. This means that all

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-13 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Kevin wrote: Do you believe in "original sin"? Blaine writes:We believe men will be punished for their own sins and not for Adam's transgression. We therefore do not believe in infant baptism. We believe that as in Adam all men die, so in Christ shall all be made alive, and that as in Adam

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus born where?

2004-01-13 Thread Blaine Borrowman
- Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus born where? Blaine: By not listiung some of us, is this not breaking the ad hominem rule by default--may it not be considered an

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-13 Thread Blaine Borrowman
: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD Blaine, didn't you also say at one time that Adam and the archangel Michael (or is it Gabriel) are the same being? From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD Date: Tue, 13 Jan

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk False Teachers

2004-01-13 Thread Blaine Borrowman
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk False Teachers In a message dated 1/12/2004 12:17:03 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: "Blaine Borrowman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]DaveH

Re: [TruthTalk] False Teachers

2004-01-13 Thread Blaine Borrowman
- From: Blaine Borrowman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/12/2004 11:55:17 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] False Teachers Dean writes: For a person whom is going to "keep quite" you word shore

Re: [TruthTalk] Testimony

2004-01-13 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: Do you want another testimony?I gave you mine once, did you not read it?I said I knew there were some on TT who draw near unto God with their lips, but their heartsare far from Him.This came to me by way of the Holy Ghost.Remember, I said I only bear my testimony when moved upon by

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-13 Thread Blaine Borrowman
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave Since the onlygod (with whom we LDs have to do) -the father - Elohim is of the same genetic makeup as

Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2004-01-13 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: DavidM, your examples are persuasive, but for one thing--there was symbolism in what these Biblical prophets were called upon to do. Going naked, eating dung, wearing rough clothing, eating honey and locusts, these were not just to grab one's attention, but to teach concerning basic

Re: [TruthTalk] Blessings of the FALL

2004-01-13 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine writes: Hmmm, this is all very good Mormon doctrine, I think Kevin.Thanks for promoting Mormonism at its best. If not for sex (married sex), your mother would not have had seed, nor your father. You would not even be an afterthought. Are you a married man? If not then you need to get

Re: [TruthTalk] False Teachers

2004-01-12 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Dean writes: For a person whom is going to "keep quite" you word shore say a lot. Blaine writes: I try to keep it down as much as possible: butit is difficult sometimes. How's this? Short enough? -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with

Re: [TruthTalk] False Teachers

2004-01-11 Thread Blaine Borrowman
- Original Message - From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] False Teachers Terry wrote: Maybe some day, Dave Hansen will see the light, because he finally saw Jesus in David Miller. He sure

Re: [TruthTalk] False Teachers

2004-01-11 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Dave, are you there? - Original Message - From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] False Teachers Dean Moore Fear God and keep His commandments/ trust Jesus[Original Message] From: Blaine B

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