Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-13 Thread Lance Muir
] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 13, 2005 13:30 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Lance wrote: It's no surprize to me, and I suspect to anyone who has been reading you, that this would be your 'take'. It just may be a surprize for you to discover that it is not God's 'take

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-12 Thread Lance Muir
You'd best frame this one, Terry. - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 22:46 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism I think that means that you two do not think alike

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2005-05-12 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: You'd best frame this one, Terry. === Naw. I might start believing it if I read it often. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Lance Muir
of Christ' whereas it's just the 'jerk factor' in play. Kevin:Speaking JtoJ we ought to keep this in mind. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 09:29 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Dave, I can't

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:39:55 -0400 It amazes me that could could ask this of Dave, Perry! ,at least without a 'smiley'. Kevin is a jerk and, he comes accross as one (I probably do as well) on TT. I bet he does 'on the street' also. It is such that give

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
auseof Christ' whereas it's just the 'jerk factor' in play.Kevin:Speaking JtoJ we ought to keep this in mind.- Original Message -From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: May 11, 2005 09:29Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism D

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Lance Muir
Ahhh truth is the operative word. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 10:35 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Correction ... I see I didn't write very

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Lance Muir
I know Jesus. Kevin is no Jesus. Very bad illustration, Charles Perry Locke. (heretofor 'Chuckie' after the films) - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 10:31 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] It amazes me that could could ask this of Dave, Perry! ,at least without a 'smiley'. Kevin is a jerk and, he comes accross as one on TT. I bet he does 'on the street' also. It is such that give christianity a bad rep. He probably sees himself as 'suffering

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Lance, do you think Jesus was giving Christianity a bad rap when he overturned the moneylenders' tables in the temple? Instead, should he have quoted some 2nd century BC greek philospopher on the existential qualities of selling in the temple

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Ad hominem alert Izzy (PS I can never spell that right!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:40 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

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2005-05-11 Thread Lance Muir
] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Lance, I was not comparing Kevin to Jesus. I was comparing the relative poularity of the two within their respective contexts. The main point, which you may have missed, is that doing the right thing for the right reasons is not always popular. I suspect

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: I did not miss the main point CPL! Kevin was, in reality, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. Please think about what that means. == I think that means that you two do not think alike, and because of that

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Terry says: I think that means that you two (Lance and Kevin) do not think alike holy mackerel what an astute observation! Now that you mention it I do see very subtle differences. Debbie -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Terry Clifton
Debbie Sawczak wrote: Terry says: I think that means that you two (Lance and Kevin) do not think alike holy mackerel what an astute observation! Now that you mention it I do see very subtle differences. Debbie -- I am perceptiver than the average bear. Terry -- Let your speech

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oooo, a new word for Lance! :-) -Original Message- I am perceptiver than the average bear. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Caroline Wong
I think that means that you two do not think alike, and because of that you find fault with him. Terry Terry, I think you're the most brilliant person on TT. Perhaps we find fault with each other on TT only because we don't think alike. We share the same language and cyberspace but we come

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-10 Thread Lance Muir
Orthodoxy and orthopraxy - what is their relation to one another? - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 09, 2005 18:17 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Terry-- I can understand you viewpoint, but please realize

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-10 Thread Lance Muir
LDS 'christians' is an oxymoron. Orthodoxy would say no! - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 09, 2005 16:44 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Terry-- Somenon-LDS Christiansinsist that these things

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-10 Thread Lance Muir
Lance speaking: Jesus as spirit brother of Lucifer. - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 09, 2005 21:12 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Terry-- When it comes to the beliefs of my Church (what you call

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
10, 2005 2:29 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Orthodoxy and orthopraxy - what is their relation to one another? - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 09, 2005 18:17

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-10 Thread Lance Muir
Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:29 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Orthodoxy and orthopraxy - what is their relation to one another? - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: Trut

RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
5:50 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism As I saw no 'smiley', I could not but wonder if you thought the 'medical application' the one I had in mind? I did not! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-09 Thread Lance Muir
Common ground: We're all human! - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 09, 2005 10:37 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead? Hi Izzy-- Don't worry, I'm still breathing. So, should I take it that you

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-09 Thread Bothoms
Laance-- Hey, that's a start. I can agree with that. So, anyone in the group 'not' human? --RaymondLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Common ground: We're all human! - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 09, 2005 10:37 Subject: [Bulk] RE

RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
You dont have to be human to be breathing. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bothoms Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 12:14 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead? Laance-- Hey, that's

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-06 Thread Lance Muir
: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism DAVEH: Do you want to discuss theology, Izzy?ShieldsFamily wrote: DaveH, I’m just wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.Smith was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Mormonism? Izzy

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
wondering something. What if you were given absolute proof that J.the Christ was a fraud? Would you still choose to believe in Christianity? - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 00:16 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism DAVEH: Do you want

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
Of course not. (duh.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:09 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism LindaS, I'm just wondering something. What if you were given

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-06 Thread Lance Muir
But Kermie, you miss the point do you not? -Miss piggie - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 08:35 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism LANCE says LindaS, I'm just wondering something

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-06 Thread Lance Muir
Would a Mormon not answer YOUR QUESTION regarding JS in the same irrational fashion? Duh indeed! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 08:41 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Of course

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, you have missed the point that DaveH has failed to answer my question. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 7:18 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-06 Thread Lance Muir
And, if Joseph was a prophet and, if he was visited by an angel, and, if LDS is the recovery of the one true church? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 12:47 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] baptism

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2005-05-06 Thread Lance Muir
I read his response. HE DID ANSWER THE QUESTION. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 06, 2005 12:43 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Lance, you have missed the point that DaveH

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
I know it is foriegn for LDS to testify of what God is DOing for them, Fast testimony meetings are just a buch of LDS repeating the memorized Mantra of: I know Joeseph Smith was a prophet I know the Church is true I know the BoM is true . Doesn't God ever do anything exciting in your life?

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: You're forgetting that I'm a tired old Mormon boy, Kevin. Too much excitement in my life can be risky. About all the excitement I can handle anymore is watching the O'REILLY FACTOR every day, and reading your TT posts. How close to the edge to you expect me to get? :-D Kevin Deegan

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-02 Thread Dave Hansen
ect: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead? DAVEH: Have you ever attended an LDS service, Kevin? Perhaps you should try attending one of our Fast Testimony meetings sometime. They are usually held the first Sunday of each month. I'm probably not as spiritual as many TTers

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-02 Thread Lance Muir
I guess that'd be a resounding but, diplomatic NO. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 02, 2005 09:44 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead? DAVEH: ??? I'm not sure I understand your

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
But Dave; the question is what is Jesus doing in your life right now??Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Have you ever attended an LDS service, Kevin? Perhaps youshould try attending one of our Fast Testimony meetings sometime.They are usually held the first Sunday of each month.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-02 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Did you expect me to answer any other way? Lance Muir wrote: I guess that'd be a resounding but, diplomatic NO. DAVEH: ??? I'm not sure I understand your question, Lance. Since I believe LDS theology has much to offer that is not available elsewhere, I see the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-02 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: His love and grace are not sufficient for you, Kevin? I'm pretty happy (thankful might be a better way of saying it) with all he has given me including my family and the gospel. I even enjoy my TT friendsmaybe he wants me to be here as well. Kevin Deegan wrote: But Dave;

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-04-29 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 29, 2005 09:33 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead? DAVEH: Have you ever attended an LDS service, Kevin? Perhaps you should try attending one of our Fast Testimony meetings sometime. They are usually held the first Sunday of each month. I'm probably