From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
David Miller wrote:
Judy wrote:
Do they have the freedom to make this choice and is this freedom
basically God-given. Does God allow people to fail?
dm: Yes, of course. Who would argue otherwise? God allows people to
choose to sin.
DAVEH: Why do Protestants bel
David Miller wrote:
> Judy wrote:
> > Do they have the freedom to make this choice and is this
> > freedom basically God-given. Does God allow people to fail?
>
> Yes, of course. Who would argue otherwise? God allows people to choose
> to sin.
DAVEH: Why do Protestants believe God allows me
Judy wrote:
> My question to you (and hopefully this will resolve the
> question) is "Does God give man freedom to make his own
> choices?"
Yes.
Judy wrote:
> IOW if two homosexuals do choose to marry, would God
> try to stop them? Strike them dead or whatever?
No. But he might strike them
DavidMs position seems quite similar to
Cal Thomas'--he has written on this issue recently, too.
FTR, Speaking of confusion on the matter
(resulting from the retention of certain biases?), in an 'exegetical' sense, it
appears that DavidM and CT both add the adjective 'homosexual', as in th
David you will need to read the article to see in what context
the freedom of choice & contingency question is set. I understand
what you are saying about God ordaining marriage and agree.
My question to you (and hopefully this will resolve the question)
is "Does God give man freedom to make his
Gary wrote:
> How do you two resolve this issue(?)
Gary, I did not have time to read the article carefully that you shared,
and most of the interaction about it has been confusing. It sounded
like maybe you believe that we should be pushing Homosexual Marriage as
a good and proper thing to do? I
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How do you two resolve this issue(?)
:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:53:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Man's freedom of choice (contingency) is God
given
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>God's ordained plan of marriage. [<--i.e., 'choice/s' are not God
How do you two resolve this issue(?)
:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:53:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Man's freedom of choice (contingency) is God
given
--
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:51:54 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> > From: "David Miller"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>God's ordained pl
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy wrote:
Yes I hear what you are saying but we should see the Spirit of Christ
in action.
dm: Of course, including the Spirit of Christ going into the Temple and
chasing out those who were defiling it. We should see this same zeal in
action.
jt:
ftr, it might be wise to examine a distinction
betw 'freedom of choice' and 'contingency'
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:43:37 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
if the NYT publishes this post/article,
you're likely to discover that the Achilles heel is this proposition--if
it's true, below, th
if the NYT publishes this post/article, you're
likely to discover that the Achilles heel is this proposition--if it's
true, below, then it means that in your view, God ordained, or, is the cause
of, the 'marital' and 'family' choice/s many conservatives dispute
along with the downstream 'con
Judy wrote:
> Yes I hear what you are saying but we should see
> the Spirit of Christ in action.
Of course, including the Spirit of Christ going into the Temple and
chasing out those who were defiling it. We should see this same zeal in
action.
Judy wrote:
Judy wrote:
> What about the sid
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jt: Within where? Gary...My
belief is that the scriptures are spiritually discerned rather than
intellectual
go: within both realms, J; i.e., it's
biblically a 'both/and' situation; e.g., is your 'belief' intellectually
viable? how so?
jt:
I don't
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even talk like yer
wearin' an FG t-shirt ,Dean, and look what
transpires..
Dean
writes:
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jt: Within where? Gary...My
belief is that the scriptures are spiritually discerned rather than
intellectual
within both realms, J; i.e., it's
biblically a 'both/and' situation; e.g., is your 'belief' intelle
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:15:33 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gary,
..Have you read
the Ruth/Naomi story?
(humbly:) if you wanna
pursue the R/N story intelligently (and start examing where Brooks is
comin' from), my sem OT mentor, Robt. Hubbard, who knows me w
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:15:33
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Gary,
..Have you read
the Ruth/Naomi story?
(humbly:) if you wanna
pursue the R/N story intelligently (and start examing where Brooks is
comin' from), my sem OT mentor, Robt. Hubbard, who knows me well, and that I'm
st
Gary,
You and Izzy sure do lots of laughing and rolling on the floor. Why the
666?
and why do you use so many one liners - is this part connected w/being a
poet?
Have you read the Ruth/Naomi story? Have you researched what making
a Biblical covenant involves? If not, I wiykd be wasting my
like Daniel, et. al.! ,
warmin' up for war in Babylon's furnace
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:46:09 -0500 "Carrolll Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
even talk like yer
wearin' an FG t-shirt ,Dean, and look what transpires ;
doesn't this sort of (moder
even talk like yer wearin' an FG t-shirt ,Dean, and look what transpires ; doesn't this sort of (moderator originated!!) ad hominem go with the wardrobe?
Dean writes:
Works the same way out on the street bro-Trust me- Get one-one must wear it to believe it opens even your eyes an
ily
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g, the NYTimes and PBS doesnt
have the slightest CLUE what a conservative is. They probably think
Howard Dean is conservative. By th
let me rephrase this,j
VVV
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so, what is his [new,
subjective,'jandg..'] point [augmented by your redaction of the
Ruth/Naomi story]?
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#x27;:)
l, g
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Rofl!!! Iz
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g, the NYTimes and PBS doesnt
have the slightest CLUE what a conservative is. They probably think
Howard Dean is conservative. By the way, I didnt know you were a
homo. Should have known, since you hate Bush so much
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g, the NYTimes and PBS doesnt have the slightest CLUE what a conservative is. They probably think Howard Dean is conservative. By
Christianity.)
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Do you realize who David Brooks is?
Ask your husband
Gary:
Where are you at? You posted the article fyi and are
not sure what the fellow is trying to say?
Am I living in the land of jabberwocky? Judy
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so, what is his
point?
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:06:16 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Brooks distorts scripture t
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Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:35:29 -0800 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:24:43 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> From: "David
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>..there
is behavior that condemns us. What
is it? DAVEH:
Probably tha
Do you realize who David Brooks is?
Ask your husband (the one you choose not to covenant with:) Actually, if
you (two) prove the 'distortion' [sic], below, you
could sully Brooks' substantial conservative, editiorial
credibility at the _New York Times_ (and
PBS) which liberals like Paul Kr
so, what is his
point?
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:06:16 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Brooks distorts scripture to try and use it to make his point
..
so yes, that did get lost.
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true--the sense of the scripture in
Brooks' article
On Sat, 22 N
Brooks distorts scripture to try and use it to make his point ..
so yes, that did get lost.
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true--the sense of the scripture in
Brooks' article
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Something got
lost
true--the sense of the scripture in
Brooks' article
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Something got
lost
Something got lost, my 'mail assistants' must be at work again :)
I meant to say that it is impossible to have a one sided covenant
Naomi did not want Ruth to go with her, it was Ruth who
insisted upon staying; so it in no way qualifies. I don't
even know why Mr. Brooks used that word or this
Why?
Covenant also implies agreement and
Naomi did not
want Ruth to come with her so there
was not even an
agreement; it was a choice on
Ruth's part which hardly
qualifies as a 'covenant' in any
sense of the word.
what are your thoughts about
it?
Judy
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?? (you
?? (you gotta be kidding)
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:17:32 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ruth did not marry Naomi -
therefore she did
not 'covenant' with her
G:
Just so I do not misunderstand. Are you in agreement
with Mr. Brooks, or do you disagree?
Terry
The conservative course is not to
banish gay people frommaking such commitments. It is to expect that they
makesuch commitments. We shouldn't just allow gay marriage. Weshould
insist
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Judy:
>Ruth's choice was not a chancy
thing
well, what was it, then, if not a
covenent(?)--
what are you tryin' to do with this
issue?
gary ottoson
:: http://poet235.com
jt: I don't know how you
understand the word
covenant Gary or how David Brooks
understand
Judy:
>Ruth's choice was not a chancy
thing
well, what was it, then, if not a
covenent(?)--what are you tryin' to do with this issue?
gary
ottoson :: http://poet235.com
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:46:57 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
sounds like you're not being conservative--Izzy gonna get
you :)
also--you're choosing to ignore
Brooks' point, simply proving he's correct by re-applying the cultural
argument from contingen
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:46:57 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
sounds like you're not being conservative--Izzy gonna get
you :)
also--you're choosing to ignore
Brooks' point, simply proving he's correct by re-applying the cultural
argument from contingency which (in Brooks' o
sounds like you're not being conservative--Izzy gonna get
you :)
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Interesting Gary - but the problem is not the "culture of
cont
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Interesting Gary - but the problem is not the "culture of
contingency" the problem is that God..is the one who defines healthy marriages
and healthy relationships.
Did you catch this comment,
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:54:43 -0500
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Interesting Gary - but the problem is not the "culture of
contingency" the problem is that God..is the one who defines healthy marriages
and healthy relationships.
Did you catch this comment,
Judy:
<<"We'r
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:25:02 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They (homosexuals) are already under a curse, we
don't need to condemn them any further.
fyi~g:
The Power of
Marriage
Interesting Gary - but the problem is
not the "culture of contingency" the proble
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:25:02 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> They (homosexuals) are already under a curse, we
don't need to > condemn them any further.
fyi~g:
< November 22, 2003By DAVID
BROOKS Anybody who has several sexual partners in a
year iscommitting spiritual suicide. He or
g
version:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:26:14 + "Arsene
Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> [DavidM], certain remarks [indirected] towards my person [are] unbecoming
>of you..You really need to
look [to the Lord] and
see your own ego at work,
>or as [Scriptures] call it "The old man, the
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy wrote:
>From what I see around me I think that teaching is necessary but not to
the exclusion of the other.
David: Very true, but I hope you also realize that "the other" is limited
by the hearts of the hearers. Take Gary's position toward me, for
ex
Dave Miller: The Pagan Wolf is drawing you into his circle. This is the
standard tactic of the enemy. He first gets you to side with him against
those who proclaim Christ on the streets. He causes you to believe that
public preaching is for the most part a flesh ministry. He causes you to
belie
Judy wrote:
>From what I see around me I think that teaching is
> necessary but not to the exclusion of the other.
Very true, but I hope you also realize that "the other" is limited by
the hearts of the hearers. Take Gary's position toward me, for example.
He views me as a false prophet and as a
well then, get a FG t-shirt on (& send us a pic of
you wearin' it under your favorite sandwich board in
Petoot Park:)
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.. I.. walk in the Fear of
the Lord. Izzy
: [TruthTalk] Did Lot
preach to Sodom?
'not condemned' by JC is the
hallmark of Abe's 'offspring'
James, below, is condemning (through
the HS) Abe's literal 'descendents'; they, based on James' personal
observations, too, a
'not condemned'
by JC is the hallmark of Abe's 'offspring'
James, below, is
condemning (through the HS) Abe's literal 'descendents'; they, based on James' personal
observations, too, aren't capable 'offspring' of Abe via
'promise'
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:43:32 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:24:43 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>..there is behavior that condemns
us.
What is it?
gary
ottoson :: http://poet235.com
DavidM:
>
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:35:29 -0800
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:24:43
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>..there is behavior that condemns
us.
What is
it?
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy wrote:
Look at how some of these ppl act in the name of Christ, shooting
doctors, bombing Abortion Clinics, climbing flag poles, and they say God
told them to do it? I ask you to show me one place, just one in the book
of Acts and all of the Epistles
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2003 18:24:43 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>..there is behavior that condemns
us. What
is it?DAVEH: Probably that
which you oft times exhibit on TT, g.
gary
ottoson :: http://poet235.com
--
Gary wrote:
> What is it?
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS
CONDEMNED already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come
into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light,
Judy wrote:
> Look at how some of these ppl act in the name
> of Christ, shooting doctors, bombing Abortion
> Clinics, climbing flag poles, and they say God
> told them to do it? I ask you to show me one
> place, just one in the book of Acts and all
> of the Epistles where any valid ministry a
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:24:43 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>..there is behavior that condemns
us.
What is it?
gary
ottoson :: http://poet235.com
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy wrote:
> If those in street ministry are unable to perform the Ministry of Jesus
then they are out there on their own;
> we need to wait as He did, until we receive power from on high to meet
the needs of the people.
Hi Judy. There is certainly a tr
Judy wrote:
> If those in street ministry are unable to perform the
> Ministry of Jesus then they are out there on their own;
> we need to wait as He did, until we receive power from
> on high to meet the needs of the people.
Hi Judy. There is certainly a truth about waiting on the Lord and
t
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Judy:
I did not find that in scripture. Didn't even look
to see if it was there
occasions, and they resented it.
Terry
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Judy:
I did not find that in scripture. Didn&#
Judy:
I did not find that in scripture. Didn't even look to see if it was there. Just responded to a blurb from Dean.
Terry
Where do you find in scripture that Lot preached in Sodom?
He chose it because it was a well watered plain and it was probably going downhill
then. I know sc
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Terry,
Where do you find in scripture that Lot preached in Sodom?
He chose it because it was a well watered plain and it was probably going
downhill
then. I
Terry,
Where do you find in scripture that Lot preached in Sodom?
He chose it because it was a well watered plain and it was probably going
downhill
then. I know scripture teaches that Noah preached to his generation -
but Lot?
Judy
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